Question for the group
G H
being on webtv and help me. I have an enemy who is very wealthy and
unbalanced and I'm worried. Can webtv be hacked by someone with the
resources to get such a job done? I have heard that webtv is unhackable
but I know when it comes to hacking where theres a will theres a way. I
have only one line in my house. I use my webtv and phone on this one
line. Lately I find that with my phone off the hook thus engaging the
line with a dial tone, I can still succesfully connect to webtv when I
turn it on. My webtv unit dials the server and connects with the phone
off the hook.I can also surf to my hearts content with the phone off the
hook while listening to the constant unchanging flow of data
transmission. The sound almost never changes, its just a long loud blast
of white noise. Does this sound like a scenario I should be worried
about? By the way, I'm posting this message with the phone off the hook!
kyra
have you contacted your isp, your telephone company or whoever your
webtv account is through to ask them?
if you move the webtv to other phone jacks, does it still let you talk
and be connected? it could be the way you have it wired or how you have
it set up
most phone lines are at least 2 pairs or 4 lines. the webtv could be
econnected to the other pair. if you found your phone off the hook, then
after a couple minutes, it would go dead and there wouldnt be a dial
tone. off the hook for a couple of minutes = silence.
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ryan
2117.public.lawson.webtv.net:
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WebTV:
Ok, so it gives you Web and Email ability.
You can connect to the internet via seemingly any ISP,
through dialin. The WEBTV box, renders hyper text, layout and
graphics, and outputs it to your TV. Sound, seems the same.
The Box, probally also has a P-ROM to store your user name,
and maybe a small amount of information. Dail-up phone number,
email account, and some other info as well.
It also has IR ports, for remote, and keyboard, and of course
a serial port for the modem. With broadband capability for
future use.
Transport Protocols:
For the most basic; IR, TCP/IP, HTTP, NNTP, SMTP, POP[n]...
Mostly guessing.
Hardware Ports:
IR, Serial(modem 56K?)...
Software Ports:
256?
Services/clients:
Mail send, and recieve; News send and recieve. Web Browser.
Hardware Specs:
Unknown.
More Detailed Software specs/ Hardware specs:
http://wtvhelp.hypermart.net/classic.html
http://wtvhelp.hypermart.net/plus.html
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Hacking ability?
Code extra protocols and hardware capability,
( with a lot of work ) via console and/or web technologies.
Cracking ability?
Access to 'static, over writable' memory, for passwords; via
web technologies.
Script Kiddie ability?
Modem disconnect, ROM over writing, via
web technologies.
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Assumptions to made about software:
-- Netscape 3.0, seems to be a full version.
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So, I think that answers your question.
--Ryan
ryan
news:Xns9213CB632E1C1ry...@198.80.55.250:
> easy...@webtv.net (G H) wrote in news:17194-3CE842EC-383@storefull-
> 2117.public.lawson.webtv.net:
>
[snip]
Whoops I forgot to add:
The line 'trouble' seems to be a feature
provided from the WebTV's modem; Hence
Call Waiting support, incoming call notification,
and something else that I forgot already.
Try this:
Call someone, and connect webTV,
wait abit, to see if it hangs you up,
or if it goes on a 'pause' ( putting you
on to call waiting ), and then letting you finish
the call ( by coming back out of the 'puase' ).
I think the culprit is call waiting, and the WEBTV box
knows the busy signal, and just puts that part of the
line on call waiting. So the 'white noise' you
hear might be the flucuating electrical signal
of 'waiting' while not accually being connected.
--Ryan
Olga Barklanova
at the same time on my phone (which is on the same line as my box) my
current IP address is 209.240.222.131
I'm testing to see if thats what shows up in this post. Something
WEIRD is going on.
ryan
news:c83e771c.02052...@posting.google.com:
Not so weird....
When you pick up the phone, its a ready signal, waiting for you to
dial the number. The modem and your telephone are attached to one line.
I think the modem is not configured to check for that pulse.
So until you configure that modem, the modem will dial without
checking if theres a ready signal.
--Ryan
ryan
@storefull-2111.public.lawson.webtv.net:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> Thanks for being so helpful. I want to try one more thing. I am going
to
> post two messages. This will be the first. This message is being posted
> with the phone off the hook. The second message which I will call
> "message to Ryan #2" will be posted with the phone on the reciever.
> Webtv does not allow you to see the path that the message travels to
get
> onto the internet so I would like you to examine the paths of both
posts
> and tell me if they are different.
Yes the paths are different:
#1
Path: news0.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!xmission!news-
spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com|
paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail
#2
Path: news0.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!
cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!
webtv.net!not-for-mail
Web TV signatures:
#1
X-WebTV-Signature: 1
ETAtAhRC4PQYxKER1cuKF4b6FHGyiA7TsgIVAIR0wjUM8s2FiPpAkrUSbgCx/8cz
#2
X-WebTV-Signature: 1
ETAtAhUAzPO9SgIbdBUfCCXtKjArnMa5LwMCFDv7IGQkujJf+UDbvRxLCcfxCl4R
and of course message IDs...
The Paths, though are the same for you, they just got to my
news server in a different manner.
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Which I've been thinking, I think your modem is not configured to
check the line before placing a call (dialin).
-ryan
Olga Barklanova
> wrote in message news:<Xns9214B391F2EDDry...@198.80.55.250>...
The problem is not my modem. I have checked it out in a zillion
different ways. I have a new question for you. Webtv issues dynamic ip
adresses to it's subscribers. I should be getting a different code
each time I log in. My ip address has not changed in half a year. I
ALWAYS am at 209.240.222.131If you check my previous post you will see
I WAS at 209.240.222.131 I will post another message tomorrow to prove
it. You will see that I am AGAIN at 209.240.222.131Whats being done to
me is a long story. I am not a hacker or computer literate at all. I
will mail you if you are interested in hearing the whole bizzare
story. There is some kind of routing mechanism or device planted in my
house. Its a very elaborate scheme cooked up by a genius who is trying
to frame me. YES he is very rich and a total bully.
Ryan
news:c83e771c.02052...@posting.google.com:
No, its not really a problem with the modem ( is in a 'error' ),
its just a default configuration that _all_ modems have. If
you are able to configure your modem via software ( AT Commands )
in webTV that should fix the problem. I forgot the command,
so i will answer the other questions and then hopefully
I don't forget to add the AT command.
> I have a new question for you. Webtv issues dynamic ip
> adresses to it's subscribers. I should be getting a different code
> each time I log in. My ip address has not changed in half a year. I
> ALWAYS am at 209.240.222.131If you check my previous post you will see
> I WAS at 209.240.222.131 I will post another message tomorrow to prove
> it.
No need to prove anything. Depending on how long you had WebTV installed,
the IP you were given might be the WebTVs service defualt IP,
while waiting a probation peroid ( or the free period if you
were offered a deal ). Your dynamic IP with kick in after
the probation peroid, and/or after the service deal you got is
finished.
Look in the WebTV configuration ( if there is one ),
and look for this command, if its not there add it. IF
there is no place to put configure the modem, try throwing these
in front of where you enter the phone number, no spaces:
S7=5DT@
The 'D' states dial commands coming, the '
T' states, use touch tone dialing ( should be the defaoult already,
but if not pulse tone dialing might couse problems like you have ),
the '@' states wait for 5 seconds of silence; So the modem
will get the dial tone, and then wait for 5 seconds of silence.
'S7=5' is set register 7 to 5 seconds.
Also you can add: 'W' after 'D' if you want to disable call waiting.
the modem will wait for a second dial tone.
If none of the above works, remove the commands you added,
It means the phone and the modem are attached to the same line,
and that the modem can hear the dial tone when the receiver
is picked up. and it means, when you hang up the reciever,
the service should hang up, dropping the connection to your modem.
> Whats being done to
> me is a long story. I am not a hacker or computer literate at all. I
> will mail you if you are interested in hearing the whole bizzare
> story. There is some kind of routing mechanism or device planted in my
> house. Its a very elaborate scheme cooked up by a genius who is trying
> to frame me. YES he is very rich and a total bully.
Well...
Email if you want, I might be able to give some hints. If you
post the story here, there might be other people who can give advice.
But that depends on the risks of, oh I don't know, like, soneone
finding out I guess.
Ryan, oh almost forgot the command.
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Olga Barklanova
Hi Ryan and any other interested parties:
I ran what you said by 1800gowebtv and they do not have a "probation
period" and its not a default IP. I am not being offered a free deal
of any kind. I've been on webtv for years. Webtv issues dynamic
addreses. It makes no sense whatsoever that I'm on 209.240.222.131
AGAIN like I have been for months. I didnt even BOTHER to explain my
situation to the guy. Heres some more info. webtv access is funelled
through four ip codes. I can probably get 3 of them. Do you think that
would help solve the puzzle? I will try to use that code but I doubt
it will work. It's possible to program the box to dial a given access
number. There are only two servers in my area. When I try to set the
box to dial one of those numbers it doesnt work. It will only connect
with the "first choice" server.
Frodo Morris
23 May 2002 3:01 pm, did refuse to put the hamster down and do up their
flies until we had listened to
<c83e771c.0205...@posting.google.com>:
> It makes no sense whatsoever that I'm on 209.240.222.131
> AGAIN like I have been for months.
For no reason other than to be an arsehole:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.240.222.132
<g>
Anyway I wouldn't be so worried. So you get the same IP every time? Can't
think of anything but good things to come from that.
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Ryan
> Hi Ryan and any other interested parties:
>
> I ran what you said by 1800gowebtv and they do not have a "probation
> period" and its not a default IP. I am not being offered a free deal
> of any kind. I've been on webtv for years. Webtv issues dynamic
> addreses. It makes no sense whatsoever that I'm on 209.240.222.131
> AGAIN like I have been for months.
Ya it could be just the server taking care of it. Maybe the WebTV box
dosn't have a complete ability to handle NNTP.
> I didnt even BOTHER to explain my
> situation to the guy.
No don't. Though it might be good just to find out
what they think, and why your getting a static IP. Maybe they
might let info slip out.
> Heres some more info. webtv access is funelled
> through four ip codes. I can probably get 3 of them. Do you think that
> would help solve the puzzle? I will try to use that code but I doubt
> it will work. It's possible to program the box to dial a given access
> number.
Well first, lets consider a few things.
-- What is the problem?
-- Is the problem possible?
and
-- Why is there a problem?
--also who what when where.
> There are only two servers in my area. When I try to set the
> box to dial one of those numbers it doesnt work. It will only connect
> with the "first choice" server.
It sounds like it. If its funneled through four IPs. Ask em, they will
tell you.
Ryan
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