On Jul 2, 11:15 am, "Terri D." <perspicacious....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Ray Murphy <ray...@chariot.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > Now that we have Senator Obama's certified birth certificate, wouldn't
> > it be a good idea for astrologers to start gathering Event Dates so we
> > can collectively start using them to see if we can verify his chart
> > with various rectification methods?
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> There still seems to be some controversy regarding the legitimacy of the> th/id-2251<http://www.today.com/external.php?url=http://conservativepolitics.tod...>
> Obama Certificate of Live Birth as was offered by an anonymous poster on
> the Daily Kos.
>
> http://www.today.com/external.php?url=h...
>RM: Yes, I saw that and a few other comments somewhere but I don't
> For one thing the "document" in question is not a certified birth
> certificate. It states as much at the top of the form. Also, there is no
> embossed seal on it which is absolutely necessary for it to be taken as a
> legal certified copy in any state of the union including Hawaii.
believe any of them. No one is pretending that the certificate is a
"certified birth certificate"--
the document itself states that it is
a COPY (of a certification - not of an actual birth certificate).
The
document also makes it quite clear that it was produced on a laser
printer - which customarily precludes the use of an embossed seal
(because embossing is bad for laser printers -
They don't have to be interchangeable with actual birth certificates.
> What the Daily Kos came up with was a questionable Certificate of Live Birth
> which is not a birth certificate by any legal definition and is not
> interchangeable with a valid birth certificate for legal purposes. For
> example, a Certificate of Live Birth cannot be used for the purposes of
> obtaining a passport.
They only have to state the facts --
> At any rate I'm not putting any faith in the current submission until it can
> be legally verified which I doubt it can or will be. As such I see no point
> in discussing or rectifying a chart that may well be bogus. YMMV.
The Obama people would have denied its authenticity immediately
Wouldn't you think someone would simply get a copy of such a document
for their own birth and compare it.
I'm still waiting for Hillary to get up.
> All of my comments are nonpolitical. I'm not planning to vote for either
> candidate or party.
She's not my preferred leader because the other good ones have dropped
out. Still it's good to see a woman and a Black American doing so
well.
Several years ago I was talking to an Indian American
who was involved
in indigenous rights and activism, and visiting Australia. iI asked
him about their lack of participation in American politics. He said
"It's none of our business!" :-))
From: Rod Suskin <r...@rodsuskin.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:52:42 +0200 Subject: [AM] Obama Birth Certificate Confirmed Hi All Sorry to keep floggin' this, and thanks for the earlier replies. The birth certificate is confirmed as definitely valid - it has been posted on an official Obama website fighthesmears.com (linked from his BarackObama.com website and listed separately in Time Magazine as an official website.) So Obama was born at 7.24 pm. Let's lay this one to rest. Rod Rod Suskin visit my website www.rodsuskin.com
RM: Unfortunately the information of that website mentioned above is a
On Jul 3, 7:50 am, Todd Carnes <toddcar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Copied from another group:From: Rod Suskin<r...@rodsuskin.com>Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:52:42 +0200 Subject: [AM] Obama Birth Certificate Confirmed Hi All Sorry to keep floggin' this, and thanks for the earlier replies. The birth certificate is confirmed as definitely valid - it has been posted on an official Obama website fighthesmears.com (linked from his BarackObama.com website and listed separately in Time Magazine as an official website.) So Obama was born at 7.24 pm. Let's lay this one to rest. Rod Rod Suskin visit my websitewww.rodsuskin.com
bit old and is what is in dispute, however I have just now resolved
the question myself after comparing it with another copy of a birth
record.
RM: This is not the U.S. Supreme Court - where votes tend to be made
according to which political party a judge sides with, rather than
what is actually fair, just, lawful or legal -- it's a clear cut case
of common sense. Senator Obama would not lie about something that
would lead him straight to jail for financial fraud for his own gain.
Ray
Why lie about the time or change it. Joan Quigly is NOT his astrologer
(she only works for Reaganites;)
and there would be no reason to make
up a birth time. That is just so over-the-top ludicrous. Like anyone
but us silly astrologers even care what time he was born.
Why get so upset over this?
I guess I should have made myself more clear on this. Although I was
replying to your post, what I should have asked is "Why is EVERYONE getting
so upset about this? (Not just you.)
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> Back to your question. The reason why this is so important to me has to
> do
> with astrology--not politics. The basis of nearly all astrology is the
> chart.
> If the data for the chart is wrong or false, then so too will be the
> information
> derived from the chart. It's elementary.
I agree. The chart's Rodden Rating should be considered DD. There's too much
controversy to give it any other rating.
I don't agree that the Obama camp is necessarily to blame for this
confusion. I do believe, however, that it would be really easy for them to
clear this up if they really wanted to....Apparently, they don't want to.
Todd
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> > I don't agree that the Obama camp is necessarily to blame for this
> > confusion. I do believe, however, that it would be really easy for them
> > to
> > clear this up if they really wanted to....Apparently, they don't want
> > to.
> >
>
> They already have, Todd. The Obama camp put up a certified copy of
> Obama's original BC on his web site with time, date and place.
My mistake. From everything that'd been said, I was under the impression
that this was NOT a certified copy of his BC.
Todd