Winterland is definitely not overrated. If it was played that night then it's very likely the song's definitive version. Backstreets, Prove it, The Fever, Point Blank, She's the One, Quarter to Three... Even the version of The Promise that comes as a bonus track on the Crystal Cat boot is probably the song's definitive version.
You can all read about my opinions on the definitive live version of every song from Bruce's Archive Series and elsewhere by clicking this link: -definitive-version-of-every-song-from-springsteens-archive-series/
Richmond Va. on the The Rising tour was pretty good...A guy held up a sign that read "My band just broke up - please play Backstreets"...Bruce took the sign and read it and paused and then looked at Roy and the piano keys began...Midway through the song Bruce looked at the guy and said..."You know it's tough when your band breaks up"....I'll never forget that one.
Sometimes I like the live version of a song better than the studio recording, or vice versa. Sometimes I love a song when it's done by one artist but I really don't like another artists version of the same exact song.
I don't want to thumbs down the song because I enjoy it when it's the version that I actually like and I don't want pandora to think that I don't like that song, when really, I just don't like that version...
I have been a pro "paid" user for a long time and I wanted to share my opinion. I hate (strong word) re-edited versions of songs. I would rather not hear the song at all if it is not the original. Many feel this way. Why can you not offer a feature to exclude re-edited versions and maybe live versions?
Just re-released but only if re-recorded by only a portion of original members. In other words, songs that were re-done for streaming and not the original recordings. I don't care about censoring one way or the other. Thanks for replying.
I'd recommend visiting our Feature Request board with this suggestion. You can either post a new message for this idea or expand on the current idea for live version here: Exclude Live Performance Versions of Songs
Is there an option to disable cover songs? For example, I like Garth Brooks and would like to hear his songs, but not his songs being played/covered by "Books Jefferson"... I feel like if I click the thumbs down for Brooks Jefferson, it will also think I dont like Garth Brooks songs, since they are very similar...
This remaster album is AWFUL. Someone added a ton of reverb to it for reasons I cannot fathom. It is horrible to listen to and literally hurts my brain. I don't want to thumbs down it because a) I'd have to thumbs down every single track played from this album individually and b) I like these songs, just not this AWFUL remastered version. I'm pretty sure if I thumbs down them, it will take all of these songs off of my station, not just the ones from this album, since they are all the same songs, just with different audio mixing.
But then if you thumbs down two live versions of the same artist you will stop hearing the artist completely. This could create a problem if you still like the artist but can't stand live versions like me.
Additionally, I do see you are upgraded to Pandora Premium - with this level of subscription you can always create your own customized playlists where you can pick and choose what songs you want to hear in your listening session. Going this route will allow you only select studio versions of tracks, and leave out the live versions you don't actually want to hear.
I don't want to make my own playlist that's too much work and boring since you now know every song that will play. Even though most of your stations pretty much end up being like a playlist as they repeat the same songs over and over.
Actually I think this has been asked here before (I'm too lazy to chase down the link), but it never hurts to bump a good topic. I agree with selecting the NY '73 versions, but I'd go with the 29th over the 28th, very nice heavy vibe.
I really like the October 3rd 1972 version on japan . Instrumentally there are better versions but this one is my favorite simply because plant hits all the high notes of the studio version . I also really like. The one from Seattle 73 when jones as had to switch to piano because the melotron broke down st Louis 75 is another one I really like .
Really like the one from the 2nd knebworth show . Plant gives what I think is his best vocal for that song post 73. I really enjoy the 2nd knebworth show despite it being quite rough instrumentally . Plant gives a very strong vocal performance from start to finish I think it's one of his best post 72
Bonzo throws in some of his best fills and drum work when this song kicks off in the rock section. And I just can't ever get enough of his use of his tymp blasts in this song. Love Seattle 73. Bonzo's performance probably makes this one my favorite version.
Agreed! This whole gig is great. But it just makes me think "Where are the fucking soundboards for these shows just prior to MSG?" You know they have to exist. Boston, Baltimore, Pittsburg...c'mon, what the hell man...who's hoarding these?
I've always loved this version. Page was struggling for the first half of this night, but I think that struggling benefited the song. His playing here is softer and more careful, and that vulnerability/gentleness perfectly matches the mood of the arrangement as well as what the song is all about. And Robert really shines on this one. There are certainly stronger, more assured versions on other nights in 75 but this one is tops for me.
Oct 3 Japan and Seattle 73 are two of my fav versions. I also love Oct 2 version, warts and all. I grew up with the Oct 2 show tho (since high school in the 80s) so there's some bias from nostalgia there.
One of my favorites is from the Jan. 22, 1973 show. The intimate atmosphere in the arena with the band playing in front of a small, appreciative English crowd heightens the emotional nature of the song, and the professional recording helps convey the feeling of being there with them.
I may be the only one who likes this, but I love JPJ's organ on the 12-16-72 performance. Something must have been wrong with the mellotron (thankfully). The Year of Led Zeppelin site, which I love, describes the band's playing as almost drunk during TSRTS and The Rain Song. Maybe? Jimmy flubs the ending a bit, but that organ from Jones is beautiful
Using the terminal in Debian/Ubuntu, how does find the version of the system's TeX Live distribution? I don't have tlmgr so I would need to need to do this either through apt-get, aptitude, or some command that invokes the --version flag. Thanks.
Johnny Sandlin and Sam Whiteside co produced Wipe the Windows with the band and later Chuck also was involved in song selection. Most of the tracks including Winterland was first recorded for a radio broadcast and I have a copy of the tapes. When Wipe the Windows came out, Johnny or Sam ( I think Johnny had a run in with Phil Walden and Sam Whiteside took over and finished the album and Dickey had left Capricorn by the time they decided to have one more new album from the band) and there is an edit in Dickey's solo on Ramblin' Man that isn't there on the B&S Delux edition. On Wipe the Windows Dickey's long solo begins further in. The actual beginnings on the solo was edited out.
In 2013 Chuck said in the press he knows the original lineup is what most people want but in 1973 this line up was really smoking and he was glad and proud of his playing and the band too and that when they were putting together Wipe the Windows it was after the band walked over the Scooter Herring situation so Chuck was involved in representing the band and Capricorn was opposed to including another live version of Liz Reed but Chuck thought this was such a different interpretation and more in a jazz style that he wanted it on the record and they finally agreed.
I agree. The slower pace lends itself well to this tune. He really gets started about the 4:10 mark and at 5:20 he takes it to the next level. The drummers and Lamar are going all out and the keyboardists are swirling around everything. This lineup made some incredible music.
The studio version is pretty sped up. On occasion I'll be playing with musicians who aren't aware that happens to studio recordings, but still want to play just as fast. I'm like, dude, they didn't even play it that fast!
Johnny Sandlin actually tells a story in his book about sitting down with Dickey to get the speed where he wanted it. Something about Dickey maybe being a little coked up at the time, and then later upset when he heard how high his voice was on the released version.
You are right Porkchopbob. Dickey thought it was too fast and Butch though it was way too fast plus he didnt like the song. Butch thought it wasn't an ABB song. But Capricorn thought it was a hit and they were right.
Most accounts I've read, Butch's sentiments were after the fact, decades after it remained their big radio hit over Fillmore and Duane-era tunes. No one likes to get pigeonholed. Dickey was the one who didn't think it was an ABB song, he tried to shop it around Nashville, but the rest of the band convinced Dickey it fit and to put it on the ABB's next album. The song Butch rejected for B&S was "Queen of Hearts", so Butch's account of his sentiments at the time seem a little revisionist.
Yes porkchop there is an old interview of Butch and he complimented Dickey's lyrics " trying to make a living and doing the best I can" as fantastic. As to Queen of Hearts, Butch much later after Dickey was gone said it's a good song but Gregg was drunk and that is why he didnt like it at the time. Butch said several things especially in the early 2000's and some on this site, I thought was strange. Butch said that after Duane died, Berry Oakley was so messed up and unable to live in a world that didnt have Duane Allman in it that Butch thought about calling a meeting to suggest they vote Berry out and hire someone. I doubt Butch was thinking that and the 5 man band played 95 shows and while there was a big hole on the stage, they did some strong shows.
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