Cyclist fatally struck tonight in Allston - Metro - The Boston Globe
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Eva Webster
Nov 13, 2012, 7:27:04 AM11/13/12
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How very, very tragic... The pain that the parents of this man are feeling now will never go away. I can’t imagine how you even cope with something like that. I’m so glad that my loved-ones don’t bicycle in the city. As I said before, it’s an extremely dangerous activity. You might as well smoke two packs a day.
How very, very tragic... The pain that the parents of this man are feeling now will never go away. I can’t imagine how you even cope with something like that. I’m so glad that my loved-ones don’t bicycle in the city. As I said before, it’s an extremely dangerous activity. You might as well smoke two packs a day.
Jonathan Kamens
Nov 13, 2012, 7:40:20 AM11/13/12
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On 11/13/2012 07:27 AM, Eva Webster wrote:
http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/11/12/cyclist-fatally-struck-tonight-allston/cvuf7QzaJpE476qtLbJa1O/story.html
How very, very tragic... The pain that the parents of this man are feeling now will never go away. I can’t imagine how you even cope with something like that. I’m so glad that my loved-ones don’t bicycle in the city. As I said before, it’s an extremely dangerous activity. You might as well smoke two packs a day.
There's nothing like
a tragedy to bring out the best in people.
Jonathan Kamens
Jonathan Kamens
Thomas Vitolo
Nov 13, 2012, 2:00:01 PM11/13/12
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It's really too bad that instead of focusing on how to make the roadways (and sidewalks!) safer for motorists, bicyclists, and pedestrians, you equate bicycling with smoking two packs of cigarettes a day, a remarkably obtuse comparison considering that smoking kills about 1 out of every 5 Americans each year (1), whereas bicycling killed 714 Americans in 2008 (2). 480,000 is an awful lot larger than 714.
Regards,
Tommy Vitolo
(1) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Smoking-Attributable Mortality, Years of Potential Life Lost, and Productivity Losses—United States, 2000–2004.
Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 2008;57(45):1226–8 [accessed 2011 Mar 11].
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How very, very tragic... The pain that the parents of this man are feeling now will never go away. I can’t imagine how you even cope with something like that. I’m so glad that my loved-ones don’t bicycle in the city. As I said before, it’s an extremely dangerous activity. You might as well smoke two packs a day.
How very, very tragic... The pain that the parents of this man are feeling now will never go away. I can’t imagine how you even cope with something like that. I’m so glad that my loved-ones don’t bicycle in the city. As I said before, it’s an extremely dangerous activity. You might as well smoke two packs a day.
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Merrill H Diamond
Nov 13, 2012, 5:47:15 PM11/13/12
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Thankfully, I smoke cigars which, I assume, are not included under the category "filthy habit."
On the other hand, when one Shirley Diamond reads this from her condominium in Hymie Town,* Florida…we won't have Eva Webster to kick around any more.**
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Subject: Re: [Cleveland-Circle] Cyclist fatally struck tonight in Allston - Metro - The Boston Globe
On 11/13/12 2:25 PM, "Alex Burke" <abu...@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, maybe I got carried away by comparing the danger of bicycling in Boston (or any other congested city for that matter) to smoking two packs of cigarettes a day. Apples and oranges, of course. One is an overall wholesome activity -- as long as you don’t have an accident! -- and the other is a health-destroying filthy habit (if there are any smokers out there, my apologies, but this is how I feel).
And yet, given how dangerous bicycling is when you share the road with many vehicles (this is an indisputable fact – bicyclists’ bodies are soft, and the pavement and vehicles whizzing by quite hard), I would still probably blurt out “You might as well smoke” if my my child, young or adult, insisted on bicycling as a regular every-day mode of transportation in Boston. Please understand, some people are born to be “Jewish mothers” (ethnically Jewish or not), and it often carries to other things they say/do.
Now I’ve managed to tick off bicyclists (especially all those who think they have hard bodies), smokers, and Jewish mothers. Oy vey — the latter may pose a danger to my life! Everyone knows you don’t mess with Jewish mothers -;)
But seriously, for anyone to deny that bicycling on busy city streets and roads with fast-moving traffic is dangerous is denying reality. I personally know 3 individuals who were injured in bicycle accidents — and yet, in my whole life, I have not known personally even a single person who was injured, or killed, as a pedestrian or a motorist. Perhaps it’s a statistical fluke, but it certainly colors my views.
If you had to get from Cleveland Circle to Kenmore Square and back (on Beacon Street or Comm. Ave.) every day, and had a choice of walking, driving and biking — which of those 3 options would be the safest? Each person can have their own opinion, but to my mind biking would be the least safe option.
I have gotten some flack for saying all those things precisely because bicycling by itself is a wholesome, environmentally-friendly mode of transportation — so most people feel that it should be applauded and encouraged. On some level, I feel that way too. I would LOVE to feel free to jump on a bicycle and go anywhere I please. But the reality of where I live is a sobering factor, so I don’t do it.
Just look at this sample below (Boston area biking fatalities this year — but it’s definitely not a complete list; plus no one even bothers to record less serious biking accidents):
Bicyclist Hit, Killed By 18-Wheeler In South Boston « CBS Boston
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/bicyclist-hit-killed-by-18-wheeler-in-south-boston/
Boston Biker » Blog Archive » Male Cyclist Killed In Dorchester This Morning
http://bostonbiker.org/2012/09/14/male-cyclist-killed-in-dorchester-this-morning/
Cyclist killed in Wellesley crash Friday is identified - Metro - The Boston Globe
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/08/25/cyclist-killed-wellesley-crash-friday-identified/4PpeXmdhdFHtTAPba5NjYI/story.html
We are all entitled to our opinions, but I happen to be believe that the more people regularly ride bicycles in Boston and vicinity, the more accidents and fatalities we are going to be seeing (though certainly I don’t wish for that!). This trend was observed in Toronto — after that city was declared the most bicycle-friendly city in North America (note: I already posted the links below last June; if you read it then, don’t bother now).
War on the streets of Toronto: Motorists vs. Cyclists. | PRI's The World
http://www.theworld.org/2012/05/war-on-the-streets-of-toronto-motorists-vs-cyclists/
Jarvis bike lanes to be removed - Toronto - CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/07/13/jarvis-bike-lane.html
After I came across those two links earlier this year, I actually did some searching on the web to learn more, and found information that bicycle accidents are grossly underreported because they usually don’t trigger the record-keeping that is done and reported by auto insurance companies. I cannot find that article now, but I remember it said that of all modes of transportations, bicyclists are statistically (proportionately to their numbers) at the greatest risk for bodily injury.
Of course, each mode of transportation comes with its share of accidents — but there is no doubt that bicycling is in its own, very unique category. However, every person must be free to chose the way they get around.
Eva
> I agree with Eva on the dangers of biking in the Boston, it was more the
> comparison to 'smoking two packs a day' that bothered me.
OK, maybe I got carried away by comparing the danger of bicycling in Boston (or any other congested city for that matter) to smoking two packs of cigarettes a day. Apples and oranges, of course. One is an overall wholesome activity -- as long as you don’t have an accident! -- and the other is a health-destroying filthy habit (if there are any smokers out there, my apologies, but this is how I feel).
And yet, given how dangerous bicycling is when you share the road with many vehicles (this is an indisputable fact – bicyclists’ bodies are soft, and the pavement and vehicles whizzing by quite hard), I would still probably blurt out “You might as well smoke” if my my child, young or adult, insisted on bicycling as a regular every-day mode of transportation in Boston. Please understand, some people are born to be “Jewish mothers” (ethnically Jewish or not), and it often carries to other things they say/do.
Now I’ve managed to tick off bicyclists (especially all those who think they have hard bodies), smokers, and Jewish mothers. Oy vey — the latter may pose a danger to my life! Everyone knows you don’t mess with Jewish mothers -;)
But seriously, for anyone to deny that bicycling on busy city streets and roads with fast-moving traffic is dangerous is denying reality. I personally know 3 individuals who were injured in bicycle accidents — and yet, in my whole life, I have not known personally even a single person who was injured, or killed, as a pedestrian or a motorist. Perhaps it’s a statistical fluke, but it certainly colors my views.
If you had to get from Cleveland Circle to Kenmore Square and back (on Beacon Street or Comm. Ave.) every day, and had a choice of walking, driving and biking — which of those 3 options would be the safest? Each person can have their own opinion, but to my mind biking would be the least safe option.
I have gotten some flack for saying all those things precisely because bicycling by itself is a wholesome, environmentally-friendly mode of transportation — so most people feel that it should be applauded and encouraged. On some level, I feel that way too. I would LOVE to feel free to jump on a bicycle and go anywhere I please. But the reality of where I live is a sobering factor, so I don’t do it.
Just look at this sample below (Boston area biking fatalities this year — but it’s definitely not a complete list; plus no one even bothers to record less serious biking accidents):
Bicyclist Hit, Killed By 18-Wheeler In South Boston « CBS Boston
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/bicyclist-hit-killed-by-18-wheeler-in-south-boston/
Boston Biker » Blog Archive » Male Cyclist Killed In Dorchester This Morning
http://bostonbiker.org/2012/09/14/male-cyclist-killed-in-dorchester-this-morning/
Cyclist killed in Wellesley crash Friday is identified - Metro - The Boston Globe
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/08/25/cyclist-killed-wellesley-crash-friday-identified/4PpeXmdhdFHtTAPba5NjYI/story.html
We are all entitled to our opinions, but I happen to be believe that the more people regularly ride bicycles in Boston and vicinity, the more accidents and fatalities we are going to be seeing (though certainly I don’t wish for that!). This trend was observed in Toronto — after that city was declared the most bicycle-friendly city in North America (note: I already posted the links below last June; if you read it then, don’t bother now).
War on the streets of Toronto: Motorists vs. Cyclists. | PRI's The World
http://www.theworld.org/2012/05/war-on-the-streets-of-toronto-motorists-vs-cyclists/
Jarvis bike lanes to be removed - Toronto - CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/07/13/jarvis-bike-lane.html
After I came across those two links earlier this year, I actually did some searching on the web to learn more, and found information that bicycle accidents are grossly underreported because they usually don’t trigger the record-keeping that is done and reported by auto insurance companies. I cannot find that article now, but I remember it said that of all modes of transportations, bicyclists are statistically (proportionately to their numbers) at the greatest risk for bodily injury.
Of course, each mode of transportation comes with its share of accidents — but there is no doubt that bicycling is in its own, very unique category. However, every person must be free to chose the way they get around.
Eva
Robert Bench
Nov 13, 2012, 6:04:06 PM11/13/12
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Eva,
I think at the end of the day you're hinting at a much bigger issue for residents of allston-brighton, which is the absurd time it takes for a resident of A/B to access the rest of the city. As a result, the fastest way to get from A/B to the city is by bike, and that is by a large margin (exception to those who can access the C/D lines). Add to that the expense of parking near working places, and you're pricing out most residents of A/B. What the city does need is a greater public transport infrastructure. I'm glad to say Sen. Brownsburger has been working hard to that end, and, along with Mayor Menino's efforts on the bike infrastructure, we're moving in the right direction. But more certainly needs to be done, or we'll continue to have tragic accidents as occurred yesterday. Some ideas would be to improve our bike/car hot spots, such as
(1) the 95 onramp corridor between Harvard Ave and Cambridge along Cambridge Street. There's already been at least one fatality there.
(2) Packards Corner
(3) Intersection of Harvard/Brighton Aves.
Best regards,
Robert Bench
I think at the end of the day you're hinting at a much bigger issue for residents of allston-brighton, which is the absurd time it takes for a resident of A/B to access the rest of the city. As a result, the fastest way to get from A/B to the city is by bike, and that is by a large margin (exception to those who can access the C/D lines). Add to that the expense of parking near working places, and you're pricing out most residents of A/B. What the city does need is a greater public transport infrastructure. I'm glad to say Sen. Brownsburger has been working hard to that end, and, along with Mayor Menino's efforts on the bike infrastructure, we're moving in the right direction. But more certainly needs to be done, or we'll continue to have tragic accidents as occurred yesterday. Some ideas would be to improve our bike/car hot spots, such as
(1) the 95 onramp corridor between Harvard Ave and Cambridge along Cambridge Street. There's already been at least one fatality there.
(2) Packards Corner
(3) Intersection of Harvard/Brighton Aves.
Best regards,
Robert Bench
Fred Hapgood
Nov 14, 2012, 12:18:04 PM11/14/12
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Robert --
You have certainly put your finger on a real problem. Alas perhaps the
best solution to it is, in this city anyway, the least thought about,
which is legitimating citizen taxis. People needing to get into the city
ought to be able to ask if anyone driving into the city would be willing
to give them a lift. The technology is in hand. Both sides to the
transaction could have profiles and histories that could be consulted.
Ideally there would be a market for the service, though the pushback
from the affected industries would be intense.
All this will probably happen in other countries a long time before it
gets here, but it would be nice to see it as part of the discussion.
Fred
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<[4]evawe...@comcast.net> wrote:
eler-in-south-boston/ Boston Biker » Blog Archive » Male Cyclist
Killed In Dorchester This Morning
this-morning/ Cyclist killed in Wellesley crash Friday is identified
- Metro - The Boston Globe
-crash-friday-identified/4PpeXmdhdFHtTAPba5NjYI/story.html We are
all entitled to our opinions, but I happen to be believe that the
more people regularly ride bicycles in Boston and vicinity, the more
accidents and fatalities we are going to be seeing (though certainly
I don’t wish for that!). This trend was observed in Toronto — after
that city was declared the most bicycle-friendly city in North
America (note: I already posted the links below last June; if you
read it then, don’t bother now). War on the streets of Toronto:
Motorists vs. Cyclists. | PRI's The World
sts-vs-cyclists/ Jarvis bike lanes to be removed - Toronto - CBC
News
lane.html After I came across those two links earlier this year, I
actually did some searching on the web to learn more, and found
information that bicycle accidents are grossly underreported because
they usually don’t trigger the record-keeping that is done and
reported by auto insurance companies. I cannot find that article
now, but I remember it said that of all modes of transportations,
bicyclists are statistically (proportionately to their numbers) at
the greatest risk for bodily injury. Of course, each mode of
transportation comes with its share of accidents — but there is no
doubt that bicycling is in its own, very unique category. However,
every person must be free to chose the way they get around. Eva
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Paul Weeks
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As a 52 year old Brighton resident who commutes thousands of miles per year (Brighton to North Waltham, previously Brighton to Cambridge) I can tell you that there are several problems here, but the most prominent problem that I observe is a lack of education for cyclists on *how* to bike safely. Helmets are obvious, and lacking. Visible clothing is obvious, and lacking. Adequate lighting is both very expensive and somewhat, consequently lacking. Assuming that a cyclist is helmeted, visible, and illuminated there are two more serious problems, one obvious, the other not.
First let's cover the obvious problems.
Obvious and lacking is *mostly* obeying traffic laws. Bicycles are vehicles and should, in theory, observe the same traffic laws. I believe there are practical exceptions:
1. Moving to the front of the line by passing stopped cars. In traffic, cars pass cyclists all the time on the roadway. Not payback, but purely practical is a cyclists ability to pass stopped cars waiting for a traffic light on the right. I don't think anybody reasonable will deny a cyclist can safely pass a line of cars to advance to the stop light, and wait for a signal change.
2. If the signal change is preceded by a pedestrian "walk" signal, I advocate (and practice) cyclists moving through the intersection in advance of the green for motor vehicles, provided they yield to crossing pedestrians. This clears the cyclists from the intersection prior to motor vehicle traffic. In an ideal world, cyclists would wait for pedestrians to cross and a separate cyclists "green" would precede a motor vehicle "green" by 6-10 seconds.
Serious safety problems arise when cyclists ignore red lights and/or threaten pedestrians by their actions. The intersection at Mass Ave and Memorial Parkway in Cambridge is exceedingly dangerous, by example, because of cyclists creating dangerous situations for non-cyclists (pedestrians and motor vehicles) by the cyclists wanton disregard of anyone else's right to safely cross or navigate the intersection.
OK, now some might not like this, but here is another safety problem and not the least bit obvious to motorists *or* many cyclists.
Cyclists, to maintain safety, must assert themselves at certain times and places. Cyclists should also boycott/avoid certain roadways and intersections where traffic patterns make it nearly impossible to assure safe passage. That's the give and take. Cyclists need to stay away from some places, as presently constituted, and assert themselves in other locations. I'll give a couple obvious examples. When I leave work I descend down Lincoln Street in North Waltham. The Southern section of Lincoln Street is a two lane windy road with absolutely no shoulder, guardrail on one side, hillside on the other side, several blind corners. The posted speed limit is 20mph. I descend this hill at 30mph in the evening and I use the whole road on my side to do it. I have adequate lighting and knowledge of the road to do it in pitch dark in winter. There is absolutely no reason why any motor vehicle should attempt a pass and rarely does one try. Think about it. I'm going 30mph in a 20mph zone on a road with blind curvess and no shoulders. But occasionally a driver somehow thinks "I'm a car, you're a bike, you need to be passed, no matter what the risk." No car has ever passed me going down this road and that's part of safe cycling, though you may think otherwise. There is simply no safe way for me to yield on this dangerous road and I simply don't. Slowing and stopping by me could still lead to a catastrophic accident, so I just don't do it. This might appall some, but it really has never been an issue in the last several years. Mostly cars can not keep up with me down this road. But now let's move this same situation to Heartbreak Hill, the Brighton side. The speed limit is 30mph and I'm doing 28-30mph, but cars more often want to pass me at this speed, because, hey, I'm a bike, they have a car, they need to pass me. Well, that is again an unsafe situation. I can get close to the parallel parked cars on Comm Ave that might open a door into me while I'm going 30mph and allow the impatient car to pass me at 35mph, but that would compromise my safety. I'm obliged to take up the whole lane at 30mph and force that car into moving into oncoming traffic if they want to make that pass that bad. At least this keeps me safe. If they are heading for a head-on collision, I have plenty of room to move right and leave that crash behind me. The point I'm trying to make is that cars should respect a vehicle in front of them going the speed limit whether it be a bike or UPS truck.
A similar assertive posture cyclists need to take is staying 3 feet wide of parallel parked cars, while checking the mirrors and front wheels of these parallel parked cars. I see cyclists screaming down Beacon Street and Comm Ave endangering themselves by passing parallel parked cars by a foot or less. Particularly where there are two lanes going in one direction, cyclists need to take a good portion, if not all of a lane to remain safe. The name of the game is not inviting an unsafe pass by car or truck by being too meek and yielding. If the car behind you would really like to pass you without using their turn signal and making a lane change, too bad for them. There's a second lane, make them use it if it increases your safety.
I guess the bottom line of this now exhaustive dissertation is that cyclists need to own as much of the road as they need to stay safe, while obeying the spirit of traffic laws and motorists need to respect cyclists as vehicles, particularly when they are traveling close to the posted speed limit.
Paul
First let's cover the obvious problems.
Obvious and lacking is *mostly* obeying traffic laws. Bicycles are vehicles and should, in theory, observe the same traffic laws. I believe there are practical exceptions:
1. Moving to the front of the line by passing stopped cars. In traffic, cars pass cyclists all the time on the roadway. Not payback, but purely practical is a cyclists ability to pass stopped cars waiting for a traffic light on the right. I don't think anybody reasonable will deny a cyclist can safely pass a line of cars to advance to the stop light, and wait for a signal change.
2. If the signal change is preceded by a pedestrian "walk" signal, I advocate (and practice) cyclists moving through the intersection in advance of the green for motor vehicles, provided they yield to crossing pedestrians. This clears the cyclists from the intersection prior to motor vehicle traffic. In an ideal world, cyclists would wait for pedestrians to cross and a separate cyclists "green" would precede a motor vehicle "green" by 6-10 seconds.
Serious safety problems arise when cyclists ignore red lights and/or threaten pedestrians by their actions. The intersection at Mass Ave and Memorial Parkway in Cambridge is exceedingly dangerous, by example, because of cyclists creating dangerous situations for non-cyclists (pedestrians and motor vehicles) by the cyclists wanton disregard of anyone else's right to safely cross or navigate the intersection.
OK, now some might not like this, but here is another safety problem and not the least bit obvious to motorists *or* many cyclists.
Cyclists, to maintain safety, must assert themselves at certain times and places. Cyclists should also boycott/avoid certain roadways and intersections where traffic patterns make it nearly impossible to assure safe passage. That's the give and take. Cyclists need to stay away from some places, as presently constituted, and assert themselves in other locations. I'll give a couple obvious examples. When I leave work I descend down Lincoln Street in North Waltham. The Southern section of Lincoln Street is a two lane windy road with absolutely no shoulder, guardrail on one side, hillside on the other side, several blind corners. The posted speed limit is 20mph. I descend this hill at 30mph in the evening and I use the whole road on my side to do it. I have adequate lighting and knowledge of the road to do it in pitch dark in winter. There is absolutely no reason why any motor vehicle should attempt a pass and rarely does one try. Think about it. I'm going 30mph in a 20mph zone on a road with blind curvess and no shoulders. But occasionally a driver somehow thinks "I'm a car, you're a bike, you need to be passed, no matter what the risk." No car has ever passed me going down this road and that's part of safe cycling, though you may think otherwise. There is simply no safe way for me to yield on this dangerous road and I simply don't. Slowing and stopping by me could still lead to a catastrophic accident, so I just don't do it. This might appall some, but it really has never been an issue in the last several years. Mostly cars can not keep up with me down this road. But now let's move this same situation to Heartbreak Hill, the Brighton side. The speed limit is 30mph and I'm doing 28-30mph, but cars more often want to pass me at this speed, because, hey, I'm a bike, they have a car, they need to pass me. Well, that is again an unsafe situation. I can get close to the parallel parked cars on Comm Ave that might open a door into me while I'm going 30mph and allow the impatient car to pass me at 35mph, but that would compromise my safety. I'm obliged to take up the whole lane at 30mph and force that car into moving into oncoming traffic if they want to make that pass that bad. At least this keeps me safe. If they are heading for a head-on collision, I have plenty of room to move right and leave that crash behind me. The point I'm trying to make is that cars should respect a vehicle in front of them going the speed limit whether it be a bike or UPS truck.
A similar assertive posture cyclists need to take is staying 3 feet wide of parallel parked cars, while checking the mirrors and front wheels of these parallel parked cars. I see cyclists screaming down Beacon Street and Comm Ave endangering themselves by passing parallel parked cars by a foot or less. Particularly where there are two lanes going in one direction, cyclists need to take a good portion, if not all of a lane to remain safe. The name of the game is not inviting an unsafe pass by car or truck by being too meek and yielding. If the car behind you would really like to pass you without using their turn signal and making a lane change, too bad for them. There's a second lane, make them use it if it increases your safety.
I guess the bottom line of this now exhaustive dissertation is that cyclists need to own as much of the road as they need to stay safe, while obeying the spirit of traffic laws and motorists need to respect cyclists as vehicles, particularly when they are traveling close to the posted speed limit.
Paul
AngelaT
Nov 17, 2012, 2:55:28 PM11/17/12
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Thanks Paul. Excellent points. We hope that our
Allston/Brighton cyclists consider these are good advises to keep
everyone safe on the street.
As a parent, I feel the pain of the family of the cyclist
fatally struck in Allston. We as parents always assume that our kids are
safe while they are at school/college/work and/or on the
street.
Angela
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Barr Jozwicki
Nov 17, 2012, 4:14:27 PM11/17/12
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I ride a school bus and every day I see cyclist going through stop signs and red lights, riding the wrong way, weaving in and out of traffic and worst of all (for the safety of the children entering and leaving my bus) passing a stopped, flashing bus on the right. By my unscientific observations 90% of them don't have helmets. Whether they are ignoring traffic rules or simply don't know them, cyclists are their own worst enemies. It is unfortunate that drivers end up being involved in the consequences of cyclists stupidity. Until cyclists take responsibility for their own safety, there will be tragedies like this one.
Joyce Jozwicki
Scott Guthery
Nov 17, 2012, 3:57:56 PM11/17/12
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>>> Bicycles are vehicles and should, in theory, observe the same traffic
>>> laws. I believe there are practical exceptions:
Practical exceptions to the law. Hmmmm. This notion that cyclists get to
>>> laws. I believe there are practical exceptions:
pick and choose the laws that they will comply with based on what they deem
to be practical is a rather novel legal theory.
Does each cyclist get to choose their own set of laws? How does a driver of
a vehicle determine which set of laws the cyclist in front of him has
chosen? Is it any wonder that vehicle drivers are confused about how to
share the road with cyclists?
The Boston police have reported in public forums that cyclist organizations
have vehemently objected to cyclists being cited for traffic violations and
so the police have stopped doing so. We can conclude that some farm animals
are more equal that others.
Cheers, Scott
Matthew Danish
Nov 18, 2012, 2:18:02 PM11/18/12
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I like numbers: everyone knows that Massachusetts drivers are
terrible, but what about numbers?
I just spent an hour counting moving violations at Brighton and Harvard.
I counted 114 violations in that hour, including:
* rolling through the red light even though they could stop (63 times)
* speeding through the red light by pressing the gas when the light
turns yellow, even though they could stop (23 times)
* right turn illegally on red (28 times)
A driver in a sedan from Maine, with an attitude problem, blew through
a red light and nearly ran me over while I had the Walk signal. He
yelled at me for good measure.
I observed many bicyclists stopped and waiting at the light. I did not
observe any red-light running by bicyclists.
I observed a fuel tanker accelerating at high speed and running the
red light going south on Harvard.
I observed a police officer on a motorbike accelerating and running
the red light going east on Brighton (no lights flashing).
I observed a silver hatch back with plates MA 14XZ79 accelerate into a
turning-red light and nearly hit another vehicle, barely avoiding it
by stopping short (so I could read the plate).
The fact of the matter is that the most dangerous behavior at this
intersection is perpetrated by people in multi-ton automobiles and
trucks. I am sick and tired of hearing people complain about
bicyclists. As a person who mostly walks everywhere, the biggest
threat to me that I see is drivers flagrantly disregarding the law and
safety of other people.
114 violations in one Sunday afternoon hour. Where is D-14? Why are
they harassing bicyclists when they could be stopping a real danger?
Drivers will continue to flagrantly violate the law until there is
real enforcement.
terrible, but what about numbers?
I just spent an hour counting moving violations at Brighton and Harvard.
I counted 114 violations in that hour, including:
* rolling through the red light even though they could stop (63 times)
* speeding through the red light by pressing the gas when the light
turns yellow, even though they could stop (23 times)
* right turn illegally on red (28 times)
A driver in a sedan from Maine, with an attitude problem, blew through
a red light and nearly ran me over while I had the Walk signal. He
yelled at me for good measure.
I observed many bicyclists stopped and waiting at the light. I did not
observe any red-light running by bicyclists.
I observed a fuel tanker accelerating at high speed and running the
red light going south on Harvard.
I observed a police officer on a motorbike accelerating and running
the red light going east on Brighton (no lights flashing).
I observed a silver hatch back with plates MA 14XZ79 accelerate into a
turning-red light and nearly hit another vehicle, barely avoiding it
by stopping short (so I could read the plate).
The fact of the matter is that the most dangerous behavior at this
intersection is perpetrated by people in multi-ton automobiles and
trucks. I am sick and tired of hearing people complain about
bicyclists. As a person who mostly walks everywhere, the biggest
threat to me that I see is drivers flagrantly disregarding the law and
safety of other people.
114 violations in one Sunday afternoon hour. Where is D-14? Why are
they harassing bicyclists when they could be stopping a real danger?
Drivers will continue to flagrantly violate the law until there is
real enforcement.
Max Harless
Nov 16, 2012, 6:31:45 PM11/16/12
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Fred --
This ridesharing works well in San Francisco:
http://www.side.cr/
...though they are currently being sued by the state.
max
> (this is an indisputable fact - bicyclists' bodies are soft, and the
This ridesharing works well in San Francisco:
http://www.side.cr/
...though they are currently being sued by the state.
max
> pavement and vehicles whizzing by quite hard), I would still probably
> blurt out "You might as well smoke" if my my child, young or adult,
> insisted on bicycling as a regular every-day mode of transportation in
> Boston. Please understand, some people are born to be "Jewish mothers"
> (ethnically Jewish or not), and it often carries to other things they
> say/do. Now I've managed to tick off bicyclists (especially all those
> who think they have hard bodies), smokers, and Jewish mothers. Oy vey -
> blurt out "You might as well smoke" if my my child, young or adult,
> insisted on bicycling as a regular every-day mode of transportation in
> Boston. Please understand, some people are born to be "Jewish mothers"
> (ethnically Jewish or not), and it often carries to other things they
> say/do. Now I've managed to tick off bicyclists (especially all those
> the latter may pose a danger to my life! Everyone knows you don't mess
> with Jewish mothers -;) But seriously, for anyone to deny
>that bicycling
> on busy city streets and roads with fast-moving traffic is dangerous is
> denying reality. I personally know 3 individuals who were injured in
> bicycle accidents - and yet, in my whole life, I have not known
> with Jewish mothers -;) But seriously, for anyone to deny
>that bicycling
> on busy city streets and roads with fast-moving traffic is dangerous is
> denying reality. I personally know 3 individuals who were injured in
> personally even a single person who was injured, or killed, as a
> pedestrian or a motorist. Perhaps it's a statistical fluke, but it
> certainly colors my views. If you had to get from Cleveland Circle to
> Kenmore Square and back (on Beacon Street or Comm. Ave.) every day, and
> had a choice of walking, driving and biking - which of those 3 options
> pedestrian or a motorist. Perhaps it's a statistical fluke, but it
> certainly colors my views. If you had to get from Cleveland Circle to
> Kenmore Square and back (on Beacon Street or Comm. Ave.) every day, and
> would be the safest? Each person can have their own opinion, but to my
> mind biking would be the least safe option. I have gotten
>some flack for
> saying all those things precisely because bicycling by itself is a
> wholesome, environmentally-friendly mode of transportation - so most
> mind biking would be the least safe option. I have gotten
>some flack for
> saying all those things precisely because bicycling by itself is a
> people feel that it should be applauded and encouraged. On some level,
> I feel that way too. I would LOVE to feel free to jump on a bicycle and
> go anywhere I please. But the reality of where I live is a sobering
> factor, so I don't do it. Just look at this sample below (Boston area
> biking fatalities this year - but it's definitely not a complete list;
> I feel that way too. I would LOVE to feel free to jump on a bicycle and
> go anywhere I please. But the reality of where I live is a sobering
> factor, so I don't do it. Just look at this sample below (Boston area
> plus no one even bothers to record less serious biking accidents):
> Bicyclist Hit, Killed By 18-Wheeler In South Boston � CBS Boston
> [6]http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/bicyclist-hit-killed-by-18-whe
> eler-in-south-boston/ Boston Biker � Blog Archive � Male Cyclist
> Killed In Dorchester This Morning
> [7]http://bostonbiker.org/2012/09/14/male-cyclist-killed-in-dorchester-
> this-morning/ Cyclist killed in Wellesley crash Friday is identified
> - Metro - The Boston Globe
> [8]http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/08/25/cyclist-killed-wellesley
> -crash-friday-identified/4PpeXmdhdFHtTAPba5NjYI/story.html We are
> all entitled to our opinions, but I happen to be believe that the
> more people regularly ride bicycles in Boston and vicinity, the more
> accidents and fatalities we are going to be seeing (though certainly
> I don't wish for that!). This trend was observed in Toronto - after
> Bicyclist Hit, Killed By 18-Wheeler In South Boston � CBS Boston
> [6]http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/bicyclist-hit-killed-by-18-whe
> eler-in-south-boston/ Boston Biker � Blog Archive � Male Cyclist
> Killed In Dorchester This Morning
> [7]http://bostonbiker.org/2012/09/14/male-cyclist-killed-in-dorchester-
> this-morning/ Cyclist killed in Wellesley crash Friday is identified
> - Metro - The Boston Globe
> [8]http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/08/25/cyclist-killed-wellesley
> -crash-friday-identified/4PpeXmdhdFHtTAPba5NjYI/story.html We are
> all entitled to our opinions, but I happen to be believe that the
> more people regularly ride bicycles in Boston and vicinity, the more
> accidents and fatalities we are going to be seeing (though certainly
> that city was declared the most bicycle-friendly city in North
> America (note: I already posted the links below last June; if you
> read it then, don't bother now). War on the streets of Toronto:
> Motorists vs. Cyclists. | PRI's The World
> [9]http://www.theworld.org/2012/05/war-on-the-streets-of-toronto-motori
> sts-vs-cyclists/ Jarvis bike lanes to be removed - Toronto - CBC
> News
> [10]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/07/13/jarvis-bike-
> lane.html After I came across those two links earlier this year, I
> actually did some searching on the web to learn more, and found
> information that bicycle accidents are grossly underreported because
> they usually don't trigger the record-keeping that is done and
> reported by auto insurance companies. I cannot find that article
> now, but I remember it said that of all modes of transportations,
> bicyclists are statistically (proportionately to their numbers) at
> the greatest risk for bodily injury. Of course, each mode of
> transportation comes with its share of accidents - but there is no
> America (note: I already posted the links below last June; if you
> read it then, don't bother now). War on the streets of Toronto:
> Motorists vs. Cyclists. | PRI's The World
> [9]http://www.theworld.org/2012/05/war-on-the-streets-of-toronto-motori
> sts-vs-cyclists/ Jarvis bike lanes to be removed - Toronto - CBC
> News
> [10]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/07/13/jarvis-bike-
> lane.html After I came across those two links earlier this year, I
> actually did some searching on the web to learn more, and found
> information that bicycle accidents are grossly underreported because
> they usually don't trigger the record-keeping that is done and
> reported by auto insurance companies. I cannot find that article
> now, but I remember it said that of all modes of transportations,
> bicyclists are statistically (proportionately to their numbers) at
> the greatest risk for bodily injury. Of course, each mode of
Eva Webster
Nov 13, 2012, 5:29:05 PM11/13/12
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On 11/13/12 2:25 PM, "Alex Burke" <abu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Eva on the dangers of biking in the Boston, it was more the
> comparison to 'smoking two packs a day' that bothered me.
OK, maybe I got carried away by comparing the danger of bicycling in Boston (or any other congested city for that matter) to smoking two packs of cigarettes a day. Apples and oranges, of course. One is an overall wholesome activity -- as long as you don’t have an accident! -- and the other is a health-destroying filthy habit (if there are any smokers out there, my apologies, but this is how I feel).
And yet, given how dangerous bicycling is when you share the road with many vehicles (this is an indisputable fact – bicyclists’ bodies are soft, and the pavement and vehicles whizzing by quite hard), I would still probably blurt out “You might as well smoke” if my my child, young or adult, insisted on bicycling as a regular every-day mode of transportation in Boston. Please understand, some people are born to be “Jewish mothers” (ethnically Jewish or not), and it often carries to other things they say/do.
Now I’ve managed to tick off bicyclists (especially all those who think they have hard bodies), smokers, and Jewish mothers. Oy vey — the latter may pose a danger to my life! Everyone knows you don’t mess with Jewish mothers -;)
But seriously, for anyone to deny that bicycling on busy city streets and roads with fast-moving traffic is dangerous is denying reality. I personally know 3 individuals who were injured in bicycle accidents — and yet, in my whole life, I have not known personally even a single person who was injured, or killed, as a pedestrian or a motorist. Perhaps it’s a statistical fluke, but it certainly colors my views.
If you had to get from Cleveland Circle to Kenmore Square and back (on Beacon Street or Comm. Ave.) every day, and had a choice of walking, driving and biking — which of those 3 options would be the safest? Each person can have their own opinion, but to my mind biking would be the least safe option.
I have gotten some flack for saying all those things precisely because bicycling by itself is a wholesome, environmentally-friendly mode of transportation — so most people feel that it should be applauded and encouraged. On some level, I feel that way too. I would LOVE to feel free to jump on a bicycle and go anywhere I please. But the reality of where I live is a sobering factor, so I don’t do it.
Just look at this sample below (Boston area biking fatalities this year — but it’s definitely not a complete list; plus no one even bothers to record less serious biking accidents):
Now I’ve managed to tick off bicyclists (especially all those who think they have hard bodies), smokers, and Jewish mothers. Oy vey — the latter may pose a danger to my life! Everyone knows you don’t mess with Jewish mothers -;)
But seriously, for anyone to deny that bicycling on busy city streets and roads with fast-moving traffic is dangerous is denying reality. I personally know 3 individuals who were injured in bicycle accidents — and yet, in my whole life, I have not known personally even a single person who was injured, or killed, as a pedestrian or a motorist. Perhaps it’s a statistical fluke, but it certainly colors my views.
If you had to get from Cleveland Circle to Kenmore Square and back (on Beacon Street or Comm. Ave.) every day, and had a choice of walking, driving and biking — which of those 3 options would be the safest? Each person can have their own opinion, but to my mind biking would be the least safe option.
I have gotten some flack for saying all those things precisely because bicycling by itself is a wholesome, environmentally-friendly mode of transportation — so most people feel that it should be applauded and encouraged. On some level, I feel that way too. I would LOVE to feel free to jump on a bicycle and go anywhere I please. But the reality of where I live is a sobering factor, so I don’t do it.
Just look at this sample below (Boston area biking fatalities this year — but it’s definitely not a complete list; plus no one even bothers to record less serious biking accidents):
Bicyclist Hit, Killed By 18-Wheeler In South Boston « CBS Boston
Boston Biker » Blog Archive » Male Cyclist Killed In Dorchester This Morning
Cyclist killed in Wellesley crash Friday is identified - Metro - The Boston Globe
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/08/25/cyclist-killed-wellesley-crash-friday-identified/4PpeXmdhdFHtTAPba5NjYI/story.html
We are all entitled to our opinions, but I happen to be believe that the more people regularly ride bicycles in Boston and vicinity, the more accidents and fatalities we are going to be seeing (though certainly I don’t wish for that!). This trend was observed in Toronto — after that city was declared the most bicycle-friendly city in North America (note: I already posted the links below last June; if you read it then, don’t bother now).
We are all entitled to our opinions, but I happen to be believe that the more people regularly ride bicycles in Boston and vicinity, the more accidents and fatalities we are going to be seeing (though certainly I don’t wish for that!). This trend was observed in Toronto — after that city was declared the most bicycle-friendly city in North America (note: I already posted the links below last June; if you read it then, don’t bother now).
War on the streets of Toronto: Motorists vs. Cyclists. | PRI's The World
Jarvis bike lanes to be removed - Toronto - CBC News
After I came across those two links earlier this year, I actually did some searching on the web to learn more, and found information that bicycle accidents are grossly underreported because they usually don’t trigger the record-keeping that is done and reported by auto insurance companies. I cannot find that article now, but I remember it said that of all modes of transportations, bicyclists are statistically (proportionately to their numbers) at the greatest risk for bodily injury.
Of course, each mode of transportation comes with its share of accidents — but there is no doubt that bicycling is in its own, very unique category. However, every person must be free to chose the way they get around.
Eva
Eva
live_and_let_live
Nov 18, 2012, 4:23:19 PM11/18/12
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Matthew, we all have our biases and often see only what we want to see, but here is some factual information:
BU police stop more than 150 bicyclists for alleged traffic violations on Comm. Ave. - Allston Brighton - Your Town - Boston.com
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/allston_brighton/2012/10/bu_police_stop_more_than_150_b.html
BU police stop more than 150 bicyclists for alleged traffic violations on Comm. Ave. - Allston Brighton - Your Town - Boston.com
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/allston_brighton/2012/10/bu_police_stop_more_than_150_b.html
Matthew Danish
Nov 18, 2012, 4:52:11 PM11/18/12
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I counted 114 moving violations in one hour. When will we see the
"crackdown" on that? My guess is never. And it's completely wrong and
unjust to be focused on bicyclists while motorists flagrantly violate
the law all of the time. Motorists are much more dangerous. Just ask
Brenda Wynne.
When will the community stop "accepting" and making excuses for this
blatant disregard for life and limb committed by motorists every hour
of every day?
P.S. I cannot read your link, it requires registration.
"crackdown" on that? My guess is never. And it's completely wrong and
unjust to be focused on bicyclists while motorists flagrantly violate
the law all of the time. Motorists are much more dangerous. Just ask
Brenda Wynne.
When will the community stop "accepting" and making excuses for this
blatant disregard for life and limb committed by motorists every hour
of every day?
P.S. I cannot read your link, it requires registration.
live_and_let_live
Nov 18, 2012, 5:18:17 PM11/18/12
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Here is the text, quite short, behind the link you could not open.
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ALLSTON BRIGHTON,FENWAY-KENMORE
BU police stop more than 150 bicyclists for alleged traffic violations on Comm. Ave.
Print | Comments (39) Posted by Matt Rocheleau October 1, 2012 02:46 PM
By Matt Rocheleau, Town Correspondent
Boston University police stopped more than 150 bicyclists who allegedly violated traffic rules while riding along Commonwealth Avenue during a three-day span last week, school officials said.
While only 10 of the cyclists stopped last week received a citation, officers plan be less forgiving as they continue the bicycle safety campaign this week.
Campus police told the university news website BU Today that they plan to fine any cyclist who is stopped during the remainder of the initiative.
“They’re trying to inform cyclists that they have the same responsibilities as vehicles,” university spokesman Colin Riley said. “It’s for their safety as well.”
“We’ve had pedestrians hit by bicyclists and bicyclists hit by vehicles,” along the stretch of Commonwealth Avenue where BU’s campus is located, he said. “There’s been a tremendous increase in the number of cyclists riding in the new bike paths in Boston, and it’s not limited to Comm. Ave.”
Riley confirmed the school news website’s report that 152 cyclists stopped last Monday, Wednesday and Friday for violations including running red lights or riding on sidewalks were warned by officers, and 10 of them were given $20 citations.
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By Matt Rocheleau, Town Correspondent
Boston University police stopped more than 150 bicyclists who allegedly violated traffic rules while riding along Commonwealth Avenue during a three-day span last week, school officials said.
While only 10 of the cyclists stopped last week received a citation, officers plan be less forgiving as they continue the bicycle safety campaign this week.
Campus police told the university news website BU Today that they plan to fine any cyclist who is stopped during the remainder of the initiative.
“They’re trying to inform cyclists that they have the same responsibilities as vehicles,” university spokesman Colin Riley said. “It’s for their safety as well.”
“We’ve had pedestrians hit by bicyclists and bicyclists hit by vehicles,” along the stretch of Commonwealth Avenue where BU’s campus is located, he said. “There’s been a tremendous increase in the number of cyclists riding in the new bike paths in Boston, and it’s not limited to Comm. Ave.”
Riley confirmed the school news website’s report that 152 cyclists stopped last Monday, Wednesday and Friday for violations including running red lights or riding on sidewalks were warned by officers, and 10 of them were given $20 citations.
E-mail Matt Rocheleau at mjro...@gmail.com.
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Andreae
Nov 18, 2012, 6:01:06 PM11/18/12
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There is a program here now: look up nuride and massrides-- both promoted by massDOT
Andreae
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