What happened to Joshua Tree on COmm Ave?

[Bill Haas]

Just passed it and has closed by Licensing Board on front winder - see pictures

 

[Matt Rocheleau]

Why Joshua Tree is closed this week: http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/allston_brighton/2010/09/allston_sports_bar_serving_10-.html

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On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Bill Haas <Bi...@computerbackupgroup.com> wrote:

Just passed it and has closed by Licensing Board on front winder - see pictures

 

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[Bernadette Moran-Lally]

Matt,   Is the owner of the Joshua Tree the same owner of the new Tavern on the Square? --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Matt Rocheleau <mjro...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Tahir Hussain]

owner of the Joshua Tree is Julian Bolger, who's a pretty good guy

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:02:37 -0700
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The folks that own the Joshua tree are the same owners of the Brighton
Beer Garden located in Brighton Center. These same folks went in front
of the zoning board over a year ago to apply for a license to serve
alcohol until 2:00am. They have tried unsuccessfully several times to
get the closing time changed to 2:00am (when it was SoHo and the
Brighton Beer Garden). I recall at the community meeting held at the
Elks when the proposal was put forth in front of the local community
that the only person who was on the side of the Brighton Beer Garden
was Rosie Hanlon which does not surprise me in the least.

Thank God for the local neighborhood and representatives for putting
up a challenge to this late closing time request. Brighton center has
become considerable more rowdy since this establishment became more of
a bar orientated establishment. There have been ongoing problems at
the Joshua tree that would no doubt become the same issues late night
in Brighton Center if the Brighton Beer Garden were able to serve
alcohol until 2:00am.



On Sep 15, 11:03 am, Matt Rocheleau <mjroch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why Joshua Tree is closed this week:http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/allston_brighton/2010/09/allston_...
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> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Bill Haas <B...@computerbackupgroup.com>wrote:
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[Nancy Grilk]

The Joshua Tree was busted and shut down by the ABCC for underage serving.  And yes, Bolger has a poor record at the Joshua Tree in terms of violations--go check them at the Boston Licensing Commission office.  

He also is the proprietor of the Tavern in the Square (the old Kells), now under renovations.  He wants a a capacity of 690, full liquor and 2 a.m. closing.  In addition, he has asked permission for  construction of a 150-capacity roof deck, open until midnight, and a second, glassed in room on the roof, open to 2 a.m.   He claims this will be a restaurant, but of the 690 capacity it is unclear how many will be able to sit at tables and how many will be stand up drinkers.

Bob Pessek 

[Matt Rocheleau]

Hi everyone,

Just a quick update to Bernadette's question:

I was told today by a manager for Tavern in the Square that the owners of the Joshua Tree and Tavern on the Square are not the same person.

He said there is often confusion over this because there is one individual who has a partnership stake with both the Tavern in the Square (under construction on Brighton Ave.) and Joshua Tree in Allston, but the owners and management are not the same, and the business partnership that exists through that one person that is the extent of the relationship between the two establishments.

Keep an eye out for a story on boston.com/allstonbrighton about Tavern in the Square's opening in the coming weeks.

Best,

-Matt

[Eva Webster]

Julian Bolger, possibly with partners, also owns CitySide in Cleveland Circle.

On 9/15/10 7:19 PM, "Matt Rocheleau" <mjro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Just a quick update to Bernadette's question:

I was told today by a manager for Tavern in the Square that the owners of the Joshua Tree and Tavern on the Square are not the same person.

He said there is often confusion over this because there is one individual who has a partnership stake with both the Tavern in the Square (under construction on Brighton Ave.) and Joshua Tree in Allston, but the owners and management are not the same, and the business partnership that exists through that one person that is the extent of the relationship between the two establishments.

Keep an eye out for a story on boston.com/allstonbrighton <http://boston.com/allstonbrighton>  about Tavern in the Square's opening in the coming weeks.

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Just passed it and has closed by Licensing Board on front winder - see pictures

 
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[talkh...@aol.com]

Dear ab resident (whoever you are)

I respectfully would like to comment on your most incorrect accusations
(and this is not the first time you spewed your venomous inaccuracies).

First of all, the folks that own the Joshua Tree are NOT the same
owners of the Brighton Beer Garden.

Secondly, The Brighton Beer Garden did not go before the BAIA last year
for a 2am license .... it was actually several years ago when Soho was
changing to the Brighton Beer Garden.

As for my support of the Brighton Beer Garden and a 2 am license ... I
remained neutral on that issue.

For the record, it is my job to work towards the economic stability of
the Brighton Business District ... and I take my job quite seriously
and I do my job well. When I began over 10 years ago .... this
neighborhood had a business that maintained a vacancy rate of 50% ...
was in utter blight, the crime rate was high and the business turnover
was constant. Most local storefronts had metal grates and dingy
signage. Myself and my board of directors and committee members, which
are all volunteers comprised of concerned residents and local business
owners, have worked very hard to turn that around. We now maintain a
vacancy rate of less than 1% ... turnover is low ... the storefronts
look great ... our streetscape is pedestrian friendly and blossoming 3
seasons out of the year ... all done by rolling up the sleeves and
working hard rather than taking the time to criticize (which as you
know is much easier). We have also been highlighted several times on
Chronicle, noted as one of Boston's Best in Boston Magizine, been
highlighted at an International Economic Summit Convention and
considered as "Best Economic Restructuring Practices" in Turin, Italy,
been studied by two programs in Tokyo, Japan and our practices were
duplicated in the creation of their programs and also the Northern
Ireland Assembly came and toured our district and integrated our best
practices in their economic restructuring work plan.

As far as my support of the Brighton Beer Garden ...I am only to proud
to do so. Dave DeMarzo runs an amazing operation there. Their record
is spotless ... The restaurant is inviting, clean and exciting ... and
the food is great. They support our community events and programs year
round ... they also invite families for a Christmas luncheon with Santa
& Mrs. Claus ... for free.

And you should also know, ab_resident, that ALL of this work that is
done benefits our ENTIRE community (even you)... when I work to
beautify and stabilize our district ... I can not just think and
satisfy people like you ... I look at EVERYONE ... every age,
ethnicity, need and I try to integrate the best fit.

Right now we have restaurants that serve all types of food.
Hungarian/French, Southern Barbeque, Irish, Greek, Mexican, American
and more ... our restaurants and clubs attract folks from all around
the city and beyond as well as serving our local residents ... thus
creating tax revenue for Boston AND creating employment for our
residents. We have clothing shops, gift shops, florists, book shop,
jewelry shops, pharmacy and more ... and many of these operations came
here in the last 10 years. We are thriving ... even in these tough
economic times.

Our neighborhood (the place that I have lived my entire life and raised
my family) is alive again ... and I love it ... and I am proud to call
it my home.

~ Rosie Hanlon

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Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:49 pm
Subject: [AB2006] Re: What happened to Joshua Tree on COmm Ave?

The folks that own the Joshua tree are the same owners of the Brighton
Beer Garden located in Brighton Center. These same folks went in front
of the zoning board over a year ago to apply for a license to serve
alcohol until 2:00am. They have tried unsuccessfully several times to
get the closing time changed to 2:00am (when it was SoHo and the
Brighton Beer Garden). I recall at the community meeting held at the
Elks when the proposal was put forth in front of the local community
that the only person who was on the side of the Brighton Beer Garden
was Rosie Hanlon which does not surprise me in the least.

Thank God for the local neighborhood and representatives for putting
up a challenge to this late closing time request. Brighton center has
become considerable more rowdy since this establishment became more of
a bar orientated establishment. There have been ongoing problems at
the Joshua tree that would no doubt become the same issues late night
in Brighton Center if the Brighton Beer Garden were able to serve
alcohol until 2:00am.

On Sep 15, 11:03 am, Matt Rocheleau <mjroch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why Joshua Tree is closed this

week:http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/allston_Brighton/2010/09/allston
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<http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/allston_Brighton/2010/09/allston_...

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> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Bill Haas
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> >  Just passed it and has closed by Licensing Board on front winder -
see
> > pictures
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[Nancy Grilk]

In reference to Mr. Rocheleau's comment, I would hesitate to state, as he did, that Tavern in the Square and Joshua Tree are not related.  I was at the licensing board hearing yesterday when the Tavern in the Square folks came in for their roof deck proposal.  Julien Bolger represents both places.   And when the shut down of Joshua Tree was brought up at the hearing, neither Bolger nor his minions--lawyers, partners, etc. never said:  "Wait a minute, the Joshua Tree is not my joint."  He did not say this because the Joshua Tree is one of his joints.  Bob Pessek 

[Nathan Spencer]

Well said, Rosie. It's your work and work by other community and volunteer groups that is bring Brighton back, making it a place that people like myself who moved here and fell in love with it want to find a way to stay forever. It's comments and attitudes by people like ab_resident_72 that makes me question whether I would ever be fully accepted here though.

Nathan

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Rosie,
Let me "respectfully" comment on your inaccuracies.

First, the folks who own the Joshua Tree ARE connected business wise
with the folks who own the Brighton Beer Garden, but it’s a waste of
time discussing this whole topic.

Second, I did not say that the folks at the Brighton Beer Garden went
in front of the BAIA last year. If you read my prior post correctly I
said that the folks went in front of the zoning board OVER a year ago.
It is true that at the time they went in front of the board for a
2:00am closing when they were changing over the venue name, but the
same folks did go in front of the licensing board to obtain a 2:00am
license when it was Soho as well. They have made multiple attempts to
get a 2:00 closing license even though the local community has
expressed deep concern about it.

Thirdly, your "neutrality" on the issue of the 2:00am closing time is
very suspect considering that you were the only one (other than the
ownership and lawyers) at the meeting defending their case in front of
the board members and crowd. While other folks were expressing their
deep sincere concerns about such a change in license time, you were
going on the defensive on behalf of the owner(s) of the Brighton Beer
Garden. It was far from being neutral, and any attempt to paint such a
picture is not true.

As far as the Brighton Beer Garden's record is concerned it is far
from spotless. They have been cited for violations when it was Soho,
and as the Brighton Beer Garden. Soho was cited just almost after
opening for folks being in the establishment far after closing hours,
and the Brighton Beer Garden for patrons observed being disorderly.
Just because the ownership changed the name of the business it does
not mean it is exempt from any prior issues as far as the community is
concerned.

I also stand by my concern that the atmosphere late night in and
around Brighton Center has changed dramatically since it was targeted
to a younger bar oriented type establishment crowd when the owners
initially changed it over to Soho/Brighton Beer Garden. If you
remember correctly they stated in front of the meeting that it was
their direct intension to go after a younger after-dinner and college
crowd. Not that there is any law against that but it DOES bring in
different types of problems and issues that occur for an alcohol
establishment with a large capacity having a 2:00am closing time that
you claim to be "neutral" about. No need to also play supporter for
the establishment. The folks who own the Brighton Beer Garden are
interested in one thing and one thing only...maximizing their profit,
regardless of the impact on the local area.

otehr along with myself know how the game is played as far as
community work is concerned when it comes to business interests. There
are personal and political interests involved. You can defend them all
you want but we the both know this is true. So before you paint this
caring-for-the-community type picture on behalf of the Brighton Beer
Garden ownership make sure you find someone who believes that.


Lastly, the issue was not with the rest of the changes that occurred
in Brighton Center, or the ethnicity, or whether anyone is proud to
call it their home. No one is challenging the fact that Brighton
Center has changed positively in some respects. Don't try to spin the
issue at hand by making an attempt to use the other changes in
Brighton Center that have occurred. For the record I think it is only
fair to give credit to the business owners as well. This discussion
was about the ownership of the Joshua Tree along with the relationship
to the Brighton Beer Garden. I also thought it was fair to express my
concern that you were defending the interests of the Brighton Beer
Garden over the community concerns as well. Sorry, but I stand by my
opinion that you put the interests of the Brighton Beer Garden over
the concerns of the surrounding neighborhood. But I guess to raise any
concerns and express any opinion is venomous in your view.

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Nathan,
Please explain why my attitude or opinions would question why you
would be accepted? How does raising legitimate concerns about a
venue(s) with a high probability of problems due to the nature if its
business makes my comments in any way wrong? I never went on any
attack on the community as a whole or the volunteers who work in it.
It's insulting that you or Rosie for that matter try to paint this
inaccurate picture that I am against the work being dome by these good
folks.



On Sep 16, 8:56 pm, "Nathan Spencer" <nathan_spen...@hotmail.com>
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> Well said, Rosie. It's your work and work by other community and volunteer groups that is bring Brighton back, making it a place that people like myself who moved here and fell in love with it want to find a way to stay forever. It's comments and attitudes by people like ab_resident_72 that makes me question whether I would ever be fully accepted here though.
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[johnath]

A/B, I know you have privacy concerns about using your name.
You should not be critical of people who use their names if you do
not.
As long as you post anon, you lack credibility.
John Thompson

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[Katherine von Stackelberg]

AGREE
Would that we all could hide behind anonymity

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johnath,
I don't know how you came to the idea that I am critical of people who
use their personal names. It makes no difference to me whether someone
decides to use an alias or personal name.

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[Nathan Spencer]

AB,

I would gladly debate the issues of why snide comments directed at someone who's job it is to work for the interests of the business community and the benefit of the Allston-Brighton community injures us all as a whole, but without actually saying who you are, I must assume your only purpose on this group is to cause problems (much like the young patrons you speak of) and debating a pistol with no target is not helpful to any of us.

I will gladly answer further emails from you as soon as you change you sender name or gather the creativity to make one up.

Thank you,

Nathan Spencer

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[Jwpl...@aol.com]

Geez, I hardly ever chime in BUT I welcome Rosie fighting for our businesses. 2am closing is very reasonable and as a lifelong resident I would always support it. There are soo many costs to running these businesses. If you live close to commercial space and it bothers you, then WHY would you even live there in the first place?

Please don't come down hard on me now, lol.

JW 46y/o

Allston

 

In a message dated 9/17/2010 1:55:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ab_resi...@hotmail.com writes:

johnath,
I don't know how you came to the idea that I am critical of people who
use their personal names. It makes no difference to me whether someone
decides to use an alias or personal name.



On Sep 17, 12:11 pm, johnath <john...@comcast.net> wrote:
> A/B, I know you have privacy concerns about using your name.
> You should not be critical of people who use their names if you do
> not.
> As long as you post anon, you lack credibility.
> John Thompson
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[johnath]

I think you missed my point.
I do not think you should be critical of anybody as long as you post
anon.
John Thompson

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[Barbara]

I used to live by the night crawl that has most recently been called
"Joshua Tree". A late night license for any business in that block is
inappropriate--that building is surrounded by apartments on all sides--
the other businesses all close in the early evening.
Pissing, honking, large crowds gathering (notice there is no grass
left?) and screaming at 3 am--I hope that Joshua Tree stays closed or
changes to a business with a less "F** U" mentality. Yes, Allston/
Brighton needs a residential/business mix but there is a reason why
one area is called a “business district” and others are called
“residential”. We all need to sleep sometimes.
Barbara (an Allstonian)

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> Geez, I hardly ever chime in BUT I welcome Rosie fighting for our  
> businesses. 2am closing is very reasonable and as a lifelong resident I would  
> always support it. There are soo many costs to running these businesses. If you  
> live close to commercial space and it bothers you, then WHY would you even
> live  there in the first place?
> Please don't come down hard on me now, lol.
> JW 46y/o
> Allston
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Nathan,
First, I am not making snide comments nor am I attacking the interest
of the business community and behalf of the A/B community as you put
it. I guess as long as one does not agree with the popular opinion of
others they are portrayed as vindictive. For you to make comments that
my only purpose is to cause problems is short sighted to say the
least.

johnath,
No. I did not miss the point. It does not matter what screen name one
uses as well.



On Sep 17, 2:10 pm, "Nathan Spencer" <nathan_spen...@hotmail.com>
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> AB,
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> I would gladly debate the issues of why snide comments directed at someone who's job it is to work for the interests of the business community and the benefit of the Allston-Brighton community injures us all as a whole, but without actually saying who you are, I must assume your only purpose on this group is to cause problems (much like the young patrons you speak of) and debating a pistol with no target is not helpful to any of us.
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[johnath]

Here is the problem. There are a lot of people who think you are Alex
Selvig.
That is the problem. Alex has never said that he is not A-B.
Now if he comes on who is going to believe him?
John.

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[colleen salmon]

Rosie, everyone knows about your hard work and dedication to Brighton.  Don't even bother with someone that posts under a fake name.  It's easy to be critical and go on the attack when you are anonymous.  Everyone knows he isn't credible anyway, so don't let him bother you.   Thanks for all that you have done for the area.  I for one appreciate it.  --- On Fri, 9/17/10, johnath <joh...@comcast.net> wrote:

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Colleen,
Why are you trying to make this an issue about credibility? How is my
name "fake" when it's just an alias? And why are you accusing me of
going on the attack? We just have a difference of opinion. And lastly,
I am not Alex, regardless of what some folks want to believe.

On Sep 17, 4:55 pm, colleen salmon <colleen_sal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rosie, everyone knows about your hard work and dedication to Brighton.  Don't even bother with someone that posts under a fake name.  It's easy to be critical and go on the attack when you are anonymous.  Everyone knows he isn't credible anyway, so don't let him bother you.
>  
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