Deciphering the Allmand HIN

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Skip Hansen

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Nov 19, 2019, 12:19:57 PM11/19/19
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I see it as 31, model, number built would be the next three numbers, 128 , the letter M is the month of the build the next two numbers are the year of the build, 81.
Please correct me if I’m misinformed

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KEITH REYNOLDS

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Nov 19, 2019, 12:44:03 PM11/19/19
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I am not sure the M in that VIN means the month it was built mainly because I have seen that M in all 3 of my Allmands. I also know for a fact my 31/34 was finished in February and probably started the previous November or December.

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Skip Hansen

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Nov 19, 2019, 2:25:51 PM11/19/19
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Is it possible all three of your vessels were started in the same month, just different years?

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Eddie Hornick

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Nov 19, 2019, 2:35:40 PM11/19/19
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M is not a month, I don't believe, as it is the 13th letter and only the first 12 letters are used for designating the month. So it's cornfusing! 
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KEITH REYNOLDS

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Nov 19, 2019, 2:38:15 PM11/19/19
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My 2 35's were built in 1982, hull number 9 and 19. I would doubt they were started at the same time but I certainly couldn't rule it out.

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Lipham

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Nov 19, 2019, 2:39:34 PM11/19/19
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According to my research the M in the HIN stands for Year as in M81 would be 1981

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Bill Cornpropst

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Nov 19, 2019, 2:40:43 PM11/19/19
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Could the M mean motorized?

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Lipham

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Nov 19, 2019, 2:48:33 PM11/19/19
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Check out this site for HIN de coding

https://www.hinsearchplus.com/hs_userguide.aspx

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Skip Hansen

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Nov 19, 2019, 3:07:09 PM11/19/19
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You are correct in the fact that M is not a month . 
The letter on that space represents a birth month of that vessel. Again let me preface it that there was no particular order in which the letters were assigned . Example H
Might represent August, while R could represent May. I believe there is a list of owners and HINs listed and published somewhere in these pages. I remember seeing them.  I’d be willing to say only 12 letters were used to identify the birth yrs of all sailboats made by the Allmand

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Capt ScubaDave

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Allmand used one of several formats for HINs introduced In the 70s

HIN -> ABC 12345 M67D (Groups 1, 2 & 3)
1. Manufacturer Identification Code (MIC)
2. Hull or Serial Number (i.e. 31001) Allmand 31, Hull No. 001
3. Model year("M") followed by a two digit year, followed by a single letter for the manufacture month. Please note that the "Model Year" changeover was assumed to have happened in August with this format, so its possible the boat was built before its model year. The month codes are as follows:
A: Aug E: Dec I: Apr
B: Sep F: Jan J: May
C: Oct G: Feb K: Jun
D: Nov H: Mar L: Jul

KEITH REYNOLDS

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It was SOP among most sailboat manufacturers to change model years for boats completed after July. Put yourself in the shoes of a new boat dealer which I was, though after Allmand had gone out of business. We had to purchase our new inventory to have display models for the Fall Boat Shows. I got no factory discounts for providing them the display model for these shows. I also had to pay or begin floor plan interest costs before the boat was allowed to be off loaded from the trailer.
The last thing we wanted as dealers was to have a model year old boat to sell when everyone buying at the show wanted an upcoming year model since that was when they expected to launch and use it.
Without this mid year change I would have had to give additional discounts for a year old model as well as winter storage discounts to sell a boat I had only owned for one month.
If you looked at the Builders certificate and manufacturers statement of origin it was not uncommon to see model year and year built in conflict. This was generally the reason.
Keith
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