Additionally my stansions are starting to leak. I see a screw or bolt
going through the deck but can not get to the backside. What is the
proven method of sealing these? Is there a nut on the backside or are
these just screwed to the deck?
Thanks,
John
Stancions are through bolted The nuts are on the inside behind either
your teak or the cloth rug material, you just have to dig I know this
as I rebed some of mine last year and hope to finish project this year.
Doug Caron
Island Rose
This information is found on the Beckson site. http://www.beckson.com/installport.html They recommend 100% silicone. 5200 is an adhesive and not a sealant. 5200 is best used to bond materials and is not the best sealer.
One not, the side opening hatches have a trim ring that is sealed to the outside hull. It is removable from the outside and not attached to the section that goes through the port opening. If you remove the screws on the inside the port can be pulled into the cabin and the trim ring will have to be carefully removed from the outside.
Beckson Info below - Note they are now using barrel bolts which the older like your do not have.
Hint #2: - Easy Clean Up
Prior to using the sealant, dry mount the window. Using a wet a rag or sponge and liquid dish soap (non abrasive/no bleach), wipe around the outside where the cabin wall meets the trim ring. The soap will prevent the silicone from sticking.
Silicone will need 2 to 3 days to properly cure in the summer months and 1 week in low humidity. Refer to the manufacturer's recommendations for best results.
Clean up consists of running a single edged razor blade along the outer edge of the trim ring once the silicone has cured. Do not scrape the trim ring with the razor blade. Use a finger nail if necessary. This will make clean up easier and prevent black eyes from forming on the gel coat (excess silicone wiped into the gel coat will stain) after many years of use.
Choice of Sealant:
There are many brands of caulk, adhesive and sealant available in your marine chandlery or hardware store, but be wary, not all are like. Many are for specific applications and may contain solvents that are destructive to thermoplastics. Chemical solvents should not be used for clean up.
Beckson recommends 100% silicone sealant only.
Beckson recommends 100% silicone sealant only. Availability of silicone varies regionally. Please contact your sealant manufacturer for the most up to date information with regard to materials and compatibility. Silicone has been around for nearly 50 years without sign of failure. Most other caulks and sealants fail after 10 years. When a port is installed properly, silicone works best for years of enjoyment.
Sanding previously caulked areas:
Previously caulked or sealed areas must be sanded in order to remove the old caulk. If not removed, a strong bond will not occur. Surfaces may appear to be free of caulk to the eye, but residue may still be present on the gel coat. Sand lightly with 220 grit paper to prepare for the silicone sealant.
Sealing the window:
Check the gap around the spigot and cabin wall to make sure there is 1/8" clearance around the port to fill with sealant. If not, file the edge around the hole to provide enough space. This will also help widen the hole to fit the tip of the caulking gun in the gap.
Insert the fastener bolts and dab a small amount of silicone in the fastener hole from the outside. Do not over fill. Space must be left for the barrel nut sleeve.
Generously seal around the spigot completely filling the gap around the window. Use a popsicle stick or tongue depressor and jam the sealant into the gap around the port. Fill the gap completely.
If using flush mount barrel nuts, squeeze sealant into the fastener holes from the outside, and install fasteners. The excess will squeeze out of the top. Fully tighten. If any curve is present see "Installation Curved in Cabin Walls".
Sealing the Trim Ring: - Truss head barrel nut installation.
Partially fill holes for the fasteners with dabs of silicone. Do not fill completely, or you may have difficulty attaching the barrel nut. Lay a generous 3/8" bead of sealant along the inside edge of the trim ring. For best adhesion, spread to fully cover the surface. Insert the barrel nuts and carefully place the trim ring. Tighten the barrel nuts until you begin to see the sealant squeeze out. DO NOT TIGHTEN COMPLETELY. Over tightening will squeeze out all the sealant leaving no gasket which is critical for thermal expansion and contraction
Hint #3 Proper Curing
Leave the last 1 to 2 turns until after curing is completed. By not tightening completely, enough sealant is left in place to provide a strong seal and a gasket for climatic changes. DO NOT WIPE OFF EXCESS AT THIS TIME. (Also see Hint#2 Easy Clean Up)
Sealing the Trim Ring: - Flush mount barrel nut installation.
Dab the tops of the flush mount barrel nuts with silicone. Lay a 3/8" bead of sealant along the inside edge of the trim ring. Carefully press the trim ring onto the flat surface. If the surface is curved, see next section. Press down until the sealant begins to squeeze out and stop. DO NOT PRESS DOWN COMPLETELY. (See Hint#2 & #3 Easy Clean Up & Proper Curing)
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Thanks Doug
I will try the 4200.
Thanks again
John
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Subject: Re: [Allmand] Leaking Ports and Stansions
The ports are sealed in from the outside I would recommend 4200 not
5200 My ports are black so I used black 4200 I have had to replace
three of mine not due to leaks but due to overtightening and the plastic
broke
Stancions are through bolted The nuts are on the inside behind either
your teak or the cloth rug material, you just have to dig I know this
as I rebed some of mine last year and hope to finish project this year.
Doug Caron
Island Rose
jpr55 wrote:
> On my Allmand 31 six of the opening ports leak. Can anyone please
> tell me the best way to seal them and keep them from leaking? Also
> how do you remove them? Should I take them out and seal them with
> 5200? Or should I use silicon? Also do they seal from the inside or
> outside? Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Additionally my stansions are starting to leak. I see a screw or bolt
> going through the deck but can not get to the backside. What is the
> proven method of sealing these? Is there a nut on the backside or are
> these just screwed to the deck?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
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Thanks much. I will giver her a try this weekend.
Thanks again
John
John P. Rudio
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>
> On my Allmand 31 six of the opening ports leak. Can anyone please
> tell me the best way to seal them and keep them from leaking? Also
> how do you remove them? Should I take them out and seal them with
> 5200? Or should I use silicon? Also do they seal from the inside or
> outside? Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Additionally my stansions are starting to leak. I see a screw or bolt
> going through the deck but can not get to the backside. What is the
> proven method of sealing these? Is there a nut on the backside or are
> these just screwed to the deck?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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Any info on the light port? I need to replace the rubber trim seal around the glass. I am told these are the non-opening ports and are called light ports. There are two on each side of the boat.
Thanks
My 2 cents----Bill
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Thanks Bill
Any input on the seal around the portlights. It is a rubber seal that goes around the glass. I can not find it anywhere.
Thanks
John
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Thanks very much. I will be on the boat tomorrow and start looking at the stansions.
Thanks again
John
John P. Rudio
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On my Allmand 31 six of the opening ports leak. Can anyone please
tell me the best way to seal them and keep them from leaking? Also
how do you remove them? Should I take them out and seal them with
5200? Or should I use silicon? Also do they seal from the inside or
outside? Any help would be much appreciated.
Additionally my stansions are starting to leak. I see a screw or bolt
going through the deck but can not get to the backside. What is the
proven method of sealing these? Is there a nut on the backside or are
these just screwed to the deck?
Thanks,
John
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Thanks Bob
I will look into it.
Thanks again
John
John P. Rudio
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Subject: Re: [Allmand] Leaking Ports and Stansions
> Subject: [Allmand] Leaking Ports and Stansions
>
> On my Allmand 31 six of the opening ports leak. Can anyone please
> tell me the best way to seal them and keep them from leaking? Also
> how do you remove them? Should I take them out and seal them with
> 5200? Or should I use silicon? Also do they seal from the inside or
> outside? Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Additionally my stansions are starting to leak. I see a screw or bolt
> going through the deck but can not get to the backside. What is the
> proven method of sealing these? Is there a nut on the backside or are
> these just screwed to the deck?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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