Deer Apple
Anthony Summers
they probably actually hurt your sales. You're not witty, you're not
funny, you're just nasty. Maybe, MAYBE the *first* Mac-vs-PC ad was
either witty or funny... but enough is enough already. Stop telling us
why PCs suck and tell us why we should buy your overpriced products.
--
<insert witty or profound comment here>
Tonawanda Kardex
> Your anti-PC adverts are so annoying, so pointlessly aggressive, that
> they probably actually hurt your sales. You're not witty, you're not
> funny, you're just nasty. Maybe, MAYBE the *first* Mac-vs-PC ad was
> either witty or funny... but enough is enough already. Stop telling us
> why PCs suck and tell us why we should buy your overpriced products.
Heh.
Macs rule. PCs suck.
Duh.
mianderson
wrote:
eh either way whon cares.....I just get lowlyt techs who make 15-20/hr
figure it our for me and I dont worry about it.....
thats for losers
C The Shocker
you must have to save up for months from your burger-flipping job to
afford it. But... if it's important to you....
-
C The Shocker
Quack!
Goro
wrote:
One of those earlier ads was actually pretty funny b/c the message was
basically "Get XP instead of Vista". True, but probably not the
message you want to give in an Apple ad. heh
-goro-
MoParMaN
> Your anti-PC adverts are so annoying, so pointlessly aggressive, that
> they probably actually hurt your sales. You're not witty, you're not
> funny, you're just nasty. Maybe, MAYBE the *first* Mac-vs-PC ad was
> either witty or funny... but enough is enough already. Stop telling
> us why PCs suck and tell us why we should buy your overpriced
> products.
I fix all of them, but in reality, we only fix the PC's, the Apples we
just trash and tell the eu they can't be fixed in todays world and sell
them a Dell. It's better for everyone that way.
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Dood - you must be really bored. Either that or you've completely lost
your touch.
--
I'm so hip I have trouble seeing over my pelvis.
I'm so cool you can keep a side of meat in me for months.
Anthony Summers
@verizon.net says...
> > eh either way whon cares.....I just get lowlyt techs who make 15-20/hr
> > figure it our for me and I dont worry about it.....
> >
> > thats for losers
> >
>
> Dood - you must be really bored. Either that or you've completely lost
> your touch.
Eh, cut the little fella some slack... he's been taking it on the chin
pretty hard the last day or so, over and over again... punch drunk.
Google Beta User
> One of those earlier ads was actually pretty funny b/c the message was
> basically "Get XP instead of Vista". True, but probably not the
> message you want to give in an Apple ad. heh
>
> -goro-
2-3 years ago they made sense, but to be fair, PCs have modernized a
lot. Both aesthetically and in terms of specs.
Plus I understand Windoze 7 is badass.
Chagney Hunt
Wut? Top-ended PCs had always left top ended Apple in the dust in
terms of specs and softwares available spared a brief period at the
beginning of time. It's not even close. A current top gaming rig is
prolly at least twice as powerful as anything Apple have to offer. 10
years ago it was at least 10 times better. Aesthetically, PC with
their many manufacturers and part makers to provide a large self-
builder/modder base had been chaotic by nature and usually come out
look plasticky cheap, whereas Apple has more control to improve their
plasticky fancier look.
> Plus I understand Windoze 7 is badass.
It's an improved Vista.
Chris Bellomy
> On Nov 16, 5:56 pm, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 16, 12:15 am, Goro <evilnin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One of those earlier ads was actually pretty funny b/c the message was
>>> basically "Get XP instead of Vista". True, but probably not the
>>> message you want to give in an Apple ad. heh
>>> -goro-
>> 2-3 years ago they made sense, but to be fair, PCs have modernized a
>> lot. Both aesthetically and in terms of specs.
>
>
> Wut? Top-ended PCs had always left top ended Apple in the dust in
> terms of specs and softwares available spared a brief period at the
> beginning of time.
And yet they couldn't manage grep into their OS.
I'm happy as long as nobody dominates the market. Oops.
cb
Tom Enright
PCs suck. Macs suck worse.
-Tom Enright
Chagney Hunt
Dude, how many times have you used grep in the last 5 years? Prolly
once? I don't think I ever needed it once I stopped using Unix.
> I'm happy as long as nobody dominates the market. Oops.
IAWYP, but PC already dominated it. My point was that, and Apple
successfully capitalized on it -- that normal people often mistake
sleekness for technological advance. Ironically, that's how windows
succeeded too.
Tom Enright
> On Nov 16, 9:22 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> > > Wut? Top-ended PCs had always left top ended Apple in the dust in
> > > terms of specs and softwares available spared a brief period at the
> > > beginning of time.
>
> > And yet they couldn't manage grep into their OS.
> Dude, how many times have you used grep in the last 5 years? Prolly
> once? I don't think I ever needed it once I stopped using Unix.
What do you use instead of grep? Please, please tell me. I miss it
every day.
-Tom Enright
Chagney Hunt
Nothing. I also stopped using command line/terminal/prompt and got
used to the search function of graphical text editors.
Anyway, do try google. The chance is good any useful Unix command has
a PC equivalence built and distributed for free by Unix enthusiasts
that were also forced to migrated to Windows platform. My search
results showed a whole bunch.
Chris Mihos
> On Nov 17, 10:27 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 17, 10:20 am, Chagney Hunt <ess...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 16, 9:22 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> > > > > Wut? Top-ended PCs had always left top ended Apple in the dust in
> > > > > terms of specs and softwares available spared a brief period at the
> > > > > beginning of time.
>
> > > > And yet they couldn't manage grep into their OS.
> > > Dude, how many times have you used grep in the last 5 years? Prolly
> > > once? I don't think I ever needed it once I stopped using Unix.
>
> > What do you use instead of grep? Please, please tell me. I miss it
> > every day.
>
> > -Tom Enright
>
> Nothing. I also stopped using command line/terminal/prompt and got
> used to the search function of graphical text editors.
boy, i use grep every day. i agree that if i'm just searching one
file, i can do it in the editor, but what about when I'm searching
dozens of files at once? 'grep <string> *.txt' is pretty damned
useful.
Tom Enright
IAWTP^1000
-Tom Enright
Google Beta User
between professionals/hardcore computer enthusiasts vs. casual users,
or "trendy" users.
There's a difference.
Unix, Ubuntu, etc etc...completely irrelevant outside of people that
like to turn their computer inside out.
Chagney Hunt
3rd party text editor like ultraedit or textpad have the option to
search in multiple files/directories which I used often. I'm pretty
sure open-source Notepad++ have the same function.
Tom Enright
With UNIX I would tell the computer what to do. With Windows I feel
like I have to talk into doing what I want.
I'm sure there are many man/woman, child/adult, cat/dog analogies that
could be written here.
-Tom Enright
Chris Mihos
so you're saying I can install and open a third party application to
do my grepping.
BillyZoom
>
> - Show quoted text -
UltraEdit is the shit. I've been using it since 1996. If there's
something it won't do, email the guy. It'll probably be in the next
release.
Chagney Hunt
No, I was saying that *I* got used to the search options of a (3rd
party) text editor. When I did text search, usually it involves
editing, so it didn't bother me to do the search inside an editor as
oppose to doing it on a command prompt. Different idiosyncracy.
Chris Mihos
Fair enough.
Chagney Hunt
IAWTP.
Anthony Summers
@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, ess...@gmail.com says...
> > UltraEdit is the shit. I've been using it since 1996. If there's
> > something it won't do, email the guy. It'll probably be in the next
> > release.
>
> IAWTP.
Compare to Notepad++, please (anyone who's used both)?
Chris Mihos
> On Nov 17, 10:51 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm reading this thread and thinking people need to differentiate
> > between professionals/hardcore computer enthusiasts vs. casual users,
> > or "trendy" users.
>
> > There's a difference.
>
> > Unix, Ubuntu, etc etc...completely irrelevant outside of people that
> > like to turn their computer inside out.
>
> With UNIX I would tell the computer what to do. With Windows I feel
> like I have to talk into doing what I want.
I agree with this analogy, which is why I switched to Mac. Not b/c I
think the Mac GUI is significantly better, but because I can open a
terminal window and talk to my Mac in a *nix-like manner.
Chagney Hunt
wrote:
> In article <13efc5e0-ff68-4352-9995-73ec50f5e965
> @k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, ess...@gmail.com says...
>
> > > UltraEdit is the shit. I've been using it since 1996. If there's
> > > something it won't do, email the guy. It'll probably be in the next
> > > release.
>
> > IAWTP.
>
> Compare to Notepad++, please (anyone who's used both)?
Dude, you seem to have time. You can do the compare yourself.
Ultraedit is avail on trial.
Anthony Summers
b2e17c...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, ess...@gmail.com says...
That's a fair point... maybe I will do so later today.
The BorgMan
news:2K6dncFzMpx3lZ_W...@supernews.com:
Sure they could.
They chose not to due to lack of user base.
Notice how missing grep has hurt their market share.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
a64d0c...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
Either - cygwin (which provides awk, sed, grep, etc.), or perl.
--
Aaron
The BorgMan
news:92259aa2-c0f6-4c41...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
Yep...
Just like on a Mac you can install a third party application to play
pinball.
Except about 100 million more people want pinball to be standard than
even know how to use grep.
--
Aaron
Kyle T. Jones
> In article <13efc5e0-ff68-4352-9995-73ec50f5e965
> @k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, ess...@gmail.com says...
>
>>> UltraEdit is the shit. I've been using it since 1996. If there's
>>> something it won't do, email the guy. It'll probably be in the next
>>> release.
>> IAWTP.
>
> Compare to Notepad++, please (anyone who's used both)?
>
I've always liked SciTE - have it installed on a portable drive with my
C compiler, so I don't have to worry about installing anything if I'm
using someone else's PC.
Cheers.
Chris Bellomy
I disagree. I prefer Unix to Windows precisely because
in Unix I don't *have* to turn it inside out. Registry
rot and antivirus definitions make my eyes bleed. I've
had to support Wintel in my workplace and I frankly don't
understand why people put up with it. The user experience
is just miserable. But I guess if that's all you know...
cb
Chris Bellomy
> On Nov 16, 9:22 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
>> Chagney Hunt wrote, On 11/16/09 5:32 PM:
>>
>>> On Nov 16, 5:56 pm, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 16, 12:15 am, Goro <evilnin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One of those earlier ads was actually pretty funny b/c the message was
>>>>> basically "Get XP instead of Vista". True, but probably not the
>>>>> message you want to give in an Apple ad. heh
>>>>> -goro-
>>>> 2-3 years ago they made sense, but to be fair, PCs have modernized a
>>>> lot. Both aesthetically and in terms of specs.
>>> Wut? Top-ended PCs had always left top ended Apple in the dust in
>>> terms of specs and softwares available spared a brief period at the
>>> beginning of time.
>> And yet they couldn't manage grep into their OS.
>>
>
> Dude, how many times have you used grep in the last 5 years?
Probably at least 25,000 times. Seriously.
>> I'm happy as long as nobody dominates the market. Oops.
>
> IAWYP, but PC already dominated it. My point was that, and Apple
> successfully capitalized on it -- that normal people often mistake
> sleekness for technological advance. Ironically, that's how windows
> succeeded too.
Unix over VMS is not a victory for sleekness. It's a victory
for robustness and ease of management. And yes, Mac vs. Windows
today is just the extension of the old Unix vs. VMS argument.
cb
Chris Bellomy
All that you're arguing is that Microsoft's engineering is
directed by its marketing department. I agree with that.
However, I'm not a casual computer user. I need grep. I
need command line ssh and its derivatives. That's how I
get stuff done.
cb
Chagney Hunt
IOW, your world makes sense with a terminal prompt. Without it, you
feel like you're not in control.
xyzzy
Google desktop
Tom Enright
> Google desktop
My guess is they won't let me down-load that at work. YA reason
Windows & Mac are the suck.
-Tom Enright
Chris Bellomy
Dude, that's like buying an earthmover to till your garden
in the spring.
cb
xyzzy
I work in a pretty big bureaucratic company and they not only allow us
to download, it, we have a custom version available on our internal
servers that can index our Lotus Notes databases which is a godsend
because Lotus Notes search "capability" absolutely positively blows in
every way.
The only requirement is that we have to encrypt our google desktop
indexes, which is kind of a drag because google bases its encryption
on the windows password so every time you change your windows password
(required every 90 days here) it has to start over and create a new
index. But six months ago it would crash when that happened, so it's
improved. No one has embraced iterative development like Google.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
a salt lick.
--Tedward
xyzzy
TMML... Of course in this case the earthmover is free and does an
excellent job.
Chagney Hunt
Nope... that war is over. There is just one main BIG-CONCEPTUAL-CHECK-
LIST for OSes. Windows and Unix started out from different points with
different emphases but now both have had most of the checklist
covered. The differences now are mainly down to the peripherals such
as personal needs, tastes, idiosyncracy...
Implementing Unix-styled shell for Windows isn't difficult. You can
only conclude MSFT haven't done it because they DON'T want to.
The BorgMan
> The BorgMan wrote, On 11/17/09 10:57 AM:
>> Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote in
>> news:2K6dncFzMpx3lZ_W...@supernews.com:
>>
>>> Chagney Hunt wrote, On 11/16/09 5:32 PM:
>>>> On Nov 16, 5:56 pm, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 16, 12:15 am, Goro <evilnin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of those earlier ads was actually pretty funny b/c the
>>>>>> message was basically "Get XP instead of Vista". True, but
>>>>>> probably not the message you want to give in an Apple ad. heh
>>>>>> -goro-
>>>>> 2-3 years ago they made sense, but to be fair, PCs have modernized
>>>>> a lot. Both aesthetically and in terms of specs.
>>>>
>>>> Wut? Top-ended PCs had always left top ended Apple in the dust in
>>>> terms of specs and softwares available spared a brief period at the
>>>> beginning of time.
>>> And yet they couldn't manage grep into their OS.
>>
>> Sure they could.
>>
>> They chose not to due to lack of user base.
>>
>> Notice how missing grep has hurt their market share.
>
> All that you're arguing is that Microsoft's engineering is
> directed by its marketing department. I agree with that.
Every company that turns a reasonable profit has engineering strongly
influenced, if not directed, by marketing.
It's essential if you want to sell things, instead of just build
something really impressive no one wants.
> However, I'm not a casual computer user. I need grep. I
> need command line ssh and its derivatives. That's how I
> get stuff done.
Me too...
...and that is what makes us NOT target customers for Microsoft.
--
Aaron
tke
The BorgMan <m...@me.net> wrote:
Yeah, Windows 7 is so much more secure with ssh, sftp, etc.
Oh wait a sec...
Well, I heard on an MS ad that Windows 7 was more secure.
> Me too...
Me three.
>
> ...and that is what makes us NOT target customers for Microsoft.
Whew! I thought I was in Microsoft's sights.
I love my terminal. It's like DOS, only, completely different.
tke
<6b1b5c33-a802-4843...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
mianderson <miande...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 11:38�pm, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 8:14�pm, Anthony Summers <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Your anti-PC adverts are so annoying, so pointlessly aggressive, that
> > > they probably actually hurt your sales. �You're not witty, you're not
> > > funny, you're just nasty. �Maybe, MAYBE the *first* Mac-vs-PC ad was
> > > either witty or funny... but enough is enough already. �Stop telling us
> > > why PCs suck and tell us why we should buy your overpriced products.
> >
> > Heh.
> >
> > Macs rule. PCs suck.
> >
> > Duh.
>
>
> eh either way whon cares.....I just get lowlyt techs who make 15-20/hr
> figure it our for me and I dont worry about it.....
>
> thats for losers
What is "....." (the 5 dots)? Did you mean "..."?
What is for losers?
Maybe you should ask a lowly tech to proof read for you.
Frisbee�
Dude, he's a doctor. He pays underlings to do that for him.
Huck Kennedy
> On Nov 17, 10:51 am, Google Beta User <wanyik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm reading this thread and thinking people need to differentiate
> > between professionals/hardcore computer enthusiasts vs. casual users,
> > or "trendy" users.
>
> > There's a difference.
>
> > Unix, Ubuntu, etc etc...completely irrelevant outside of people that
> > like to turn their computer inside out.
>
> With UNIX I would tell the computer what to do. With Windows I feel
> like I have to talk into doing what I want.
"Talk?" More like "click."
Huck
Huck Kennedy
>
> Unix over VMS is not a victory for sleekness. It's a victory
> for robustness and ease of management.
No, Unix was a victory for the computer user, mostly because of
the background mechanism. VMS was a victory for the system manager (a
gazillion different privileges instead of just the blunt club of user
vs. superuser on Unix), and for device drivers (tons of different
level interrupts), and for realtime applications.
Huck
tke
Anthony Summers <summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your anti-PC adverts are so annoying, so pointlessly aggressive, that
> they probably actually hurt your sales. You're not witty, you're not
> funny, you're just nasty. Maybe, MAYBE the *first* Mac-vs-PC ad was
> either witty or funny... but enough is enough already. Stop telling us
> why PCs suck and tell us why we should buy your overpriced products.
You should buy Apples' product because PCs suck. Get it?
Each commercial covers a sucky PC thing, which is why you should buy a
Macintosh.
Each commercial points out a PC flaw that you don't get with a Mac.
Pay attention!
Why does someone who hates Macintoshes follow a group like this one?
David
Anthony Summers <summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your anti-PC adverts are so annoying, so pointlessly aggressive, that
> they probably actually hurt your sales. You're not witty, you're not
> funny, you're just nasty. Maybe, MAYBE the *first* Mac-vs-PC ad was
> either witty or funny... but enough is enough already. Stop telling us
> why PCs suck and tell us why we should buy your overpriced products.
Well, a Mac could teach you how to spell "dear"
David
Michael Press
<0f417aea-af71-416f...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Chris Mihos <cmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with this analogy, which is why I switched to Mac. Not b/c I
> think the Mac GUI is significantly better, but because I can open a
> terminal window and talk to my Mac in a *nix-like manner.
Exactly. The BSD section 1 utilities are the product of
tens of thousands of hours from the smartest, most
dedicated computer aces of their age.
"Read the man pages."
<http://www.gsp.com/support/man/section-1.html>
--
Michael Press
Michael Press
<686be7fd-b8e9-4e07...@x31g2000yqx.googlegroups.com>,
Chris Mihos <cmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 10:42 am, Chagney Hunt <ess...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 17, 10:27 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 17, 10:20 am, Chagney Hunt <ess...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Nov 16, 9:22 pm, Chris Bellomy <ten.wohsdoog@sirhc> wrote:
> > > > > > Wut? Top-ended PCs had always left top ended Apple in the dust in
> > > > > > terms of specs and softwares available spared a brief period at the
> > > > > > beginning of time.
> >
> > > > > And yet they couldn't manage grep into their OS.
> > > > Dude, how many times have you used grep in the last 5 years? Prolly
> > > > once? I don't think I ever needed it once I stopped using Unix.
> >
> > > What do you use instead of grep? Please, please tell me. I miss it
> > > every day.
> >
> > > -Tom Enright
> >
> > Nothing. I also stopped using command line/terminal/prompt and got
> > used to the search function of graphical text editors.
>
> boy, i use grep every day. i agree that if i'm just searching one
> file, i can do it in the editor, but what about when I'm searching
> dozens of files at once? 'grep <string> *.txt' is pretty damned
> useful.
Was a time I worked large builds.
With thousands of object files an
undefined name could be tracked
down with this:
find <directory> -type f -name '*.o' -print | xargs objdump 2>/dev/null | fgrep <name>
--
Michael Press
Kyle T. Jones
Ok, let's assume that *nix, and the various Berkeley based distributions
and derivatives in particular, are vastly superior. Why drop two grand
on a Macbook when you can buy a decent no-OS-included laptop for $400 or
so and throw one of the various *free* BSD distros on it yourself?
To a certain extent, I *do* think folks buy laptops/desktops from Apple
for the same reason they buy iPods over other MP3 players, iPhones over
other smartphones, and designer jeans over levis...
Status symbols. I'm just saying.
Cheers.
Michael Press
No reason not to. Many people do, and that is a good
thing. I have not, and only would as a hobby project/
learning experience currently. A Macintosh comes with a
UNIX-like system, plus a first-rate GUI, some usable
applications, and the system stays up.
Building and installing third party software such as
the GNU multi-precision libraries and TeXShop is simple.
> To a certain extent, I *do* think folks buy laptops/desktops from Apple
> for the same reason they buy iPods over other MP3 players, iPhones over
> other smartphones, and designer jeans over levis...
>
> Status symbols. I'm just saying.
Not really. You are making a judgement.
I do not need or own a notebook computer. Do not own an
iPod or iPhone, do not like wearing dungarees; but I
very much like the way Macintosh computers work for me.
--
Michael Press
Kyle T. Jones
("To a certain extent") - a judgment, but certainly a tempered judgment.
> I do not need or own a notebook computer. Do not own an
> iPod or iPhone, do not like wearing dungarees; but I
> very much like the way Macintosh computers work for me.
>
Cool.
Cheers.