Assignment #5 - Due Sunday, October 16th
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Mr. Kelly
Oct 10, 2011, 10:39:29 AM10/10/11
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Read Federalist #10 by James Madison and answer two of the follwing
questions and respond to a students post to one of the others. (Note:
A response requires an new thought, not simply "I agree with _____.")
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
3. What other constitutional devices, besides those mentioned by
Madison, tend to prevent the control of government by a faction? What
could be done today to control faction? Should anything new be done?
4. What are the implications of Madison’s theory for political parties
and interest groups within our political system? Was Madison right?
Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
follwing questions and respond to a students post to one of the
others.
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
an echo”? Do you agree?
2. According to V. O. Key, Jr., what were the conclusions from the
voting study literature about why people vote as they do? Is this a
postive thing? What can be done about it?
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
4. What is V. O. Key, Jr.’s “perverse and unorthodox argument”?
questions and respond to a students post to one of the others. (Note:
A response requires an new thought, not simply "I agree with _____.")
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
3. What other constitutional devices, besides those mentioned by
Madison, tend to prevent the control of government by a faction? What
could be done today to control faction? Should anything new be done?
4. What are the implications of Madison’s theory for political parties
and interest groups within our political system? Was Madison right?
Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
follwing questions and respond to a students post to one of the
others.
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
an echo”? Do you agree?
2. According to V. O. Key, Jr., what were the conclusions from the
voting study literature about why people vote as they do? Is this a
postive thing? What can be done about it?
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
4. What is V. O. Key, Jr.’s “perverse and unorthodox argument”?
Angela Oates
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Where do we read these documents??
rojas_m...@yahoo.com
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Raichal
Oct 16, 2011, 10:33:32 PM10/16/11
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Read Federalist #10 by James Madison and answer two of the follwing
questions and respond to a students post to one of the others. (Note:
A response requires an new thought, not simply "I agree with _____.")
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
-The principle cause of faction was a common impulse of people
questions and respond to a students post to one of the others. (Note:
A response requires an new thought, not simply "I agree with _____.")
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
with the same opinions, passions, and interest adverse to the rights
of other citizens or to the permanent aggregate interest of the
community. Its accuracy is point blank in both the past and the
present because some of the factions, now known as parties, still have
the same motives whether or not that public show it or not.
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
One,destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence or two,
giving to every citizen the same passion, opinions, and interests.
Eliminating it cannot be done because then liberty would be gone as
well, but controlling it is as easier task to do. When reason and
passion or opinion are equal and non biased, then a faction is
controlled.
Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
follwing questions and respond to a students post to one of the
others.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
-Because if you can estimate what that region or group of
people will vote for you can wrap your campaign aroudn it. It would be
waste of time to argue with a large group of people over an issue when
another group somewhere else may agree with you entirely.
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
an echo”? Do you agree?
decisions upon. I don't necessarily agree or disagree because it just
depends on the situation with me.
rojas_m...@yahoo.com
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1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
Principal cause of a faction in society is that they all see something
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
the same way and react to it. I believe it is accurate in Madison’s
time since most of the majority of the people were in the same
economic problem so wanted same change on problems. It is also correct
in the present since there are still interest groups working together
to solve a problem.
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
by controlling the effects. The way factions can be eliminated is by
taking the freedom away from the people. The way he controls the
effect is by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same
passions, and the same interest.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
what the people want you are more likely to persuade them to vote for
a candidate and run your campaign for what the people want.
4. What is V. O. Key, Jr.’s “perverse and unorthodox argument”?
voters. If we believe that voters are fools, then the politicians will
treat them accordingly. Thus, this belief is not only untrue but
dangerous.
I agree with Raichal over the importance of theories about how voters
behave since it moves candidates to make their campaign for the people
to get more votes.
Noamy Lopez
Oct 17, 2011, 12:53:24 AM10/17/11
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Federalist #10 by James Madison
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
According to Madison the cause would be that minority would be taken
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
in account because majority would rule but minority would be taken in
consideration, that way no group has complete control. His views did
reflect his own times because majority had the most power and now it's
mostly equal.
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
Madison proposes a set of solutions such as institutional checks and
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
balances, nationwide diverse state factions, facilitation of general
communication of sentiments & ideas between the people, and the
abolishment of slavery. To eliminate factions is to propose a single
body of the government away from democratic ideals and into autocratic
government, they can't be eliminated but they can be controlled.
V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
an echo”? Do you agree?
Key's statement shows how complex and powerful is heresthetic. Elites
an echo”? Do you agree?
form the setting in which ordinary people make decisions. I agree
because elites have a more valuable word in government.
2. According to V. O. Key, Jr., what were the conclusions from the
voting study literature about why people vote as they do? Is this a
postive thing? What can be done about it?
The conclusion was that the political change of black voters increased
voting study literature about why people vote as they do? Is this a
postive thing? What can be done about it?
in the era. This is a positive thing because they get the chance to
express their political views.
Noamy Lopez
Oct 17, 2011, 1:00:31 AM10/17/11
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On Raichal's Federalist #10 number 2 answer she said that Madison
proposed to give everyone the same passion, opinion, and interest to
which he wanted to give everyone freedom not just those.
On V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate number 1 answer she said that
the elites set the board for the people to make decisions upon which
is right because they have the most power.
proposed to give everyone the same passion, opinion, and interest to
which he wanted to give everyone freedom not just those.
On V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate number 1 answer she said that
the elites set the board for the people to make decisions upon which
is right because they have the most power.
hailica...@yahoo.com
Oct 17, 2011, 4:42:31 PM10/17/11
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Read Federalist #10 by James Madison and answer two of the following
questions and respond to a students post to one of the others.
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
Madison believes that a faction is a group of citizens who are united
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
by a common interest, slight by the government, or to fix the
community. This is true then and now. People who believe in the same
things flock together and try to get others on their side.
4. What are the implications of Madison’s theory for political
parties
and interest groups within our political system? Was Madison right?
James Madison thinks that a major cause of factions is the diversity
parties
and interest groups within our political system? Was Madison right?
of opinion in political life and unequal distribution of property.
His answer to these problems is to implement an extended republic. An
extended republic is a diverse population with too many special
interests to allow the formation of powerful factions or parties. He
argued that a larger and stronger republic would be a better defense
against the dangers mentioned earlier.
I agree with Raichel because if you take away liberty, the basis of
our government, you take away everything the founding fathers worked
for.
Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
follwing questions and respond to a students post to one of the
others.
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is
but
an echo”? Do you agree?
running of the government as they should be. I agree that this is true
and that we as American citizens need to step up and help run our
government.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
These theories are important for the politicians running because it
allows them to guesstimate how many votes they will receive.
I agree with Rojas because voters should be what makes the government
move. If what makes the government move is ignorant then our
government is also ignorant.
Bridget Gonzalez
Oct 17, 2011, 10:44:55 PM10/17/11
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Federalist #10:
1. According to Madison, the principal cause of faction is basically a
group of people that share the same beliefs. Madison states, " People
are united by some common impulse of passion or of interest.." I agree
with Madison and think this accurately reflect the past and the
present because this is proven when people vote for who should become
president, etc.
2. Madison proposes that we just maintain faction instead of
completely getting rid of it, because this is impossible. Faction is
mostly caused becuase of personal liberty, however without liberty
people wouldn't be given the right to vote anyways. So, instead of
getting rid of liberty Madison wants to just control the amount of
liberty given to individuals. He also believes that if you give
everyone the same opinions and thoughts, this would get rid of
faction.
Response:
I agree with noamy's response on question #1 and think that she makes
a good point when she mentions that Madison's views reflected mostly
his times, because now everything has changed and things aren't as
unequal anymore.
V.O. Key Jr.
1. Key argues that the voice of people is but an echo, because they
are simply just following after their leaders known as the elites.
They do not form any of these opinions on their own, instead the
elites instill these ideas into their heads. I agree, because this is
still how it works today and people only echo what their neighbors or
family members belief. I think that people need to become more
independent and follow their own beliefs, instead of only trying to
follow everyone else.
3. The importance of creating theories is that you will then be able
to predict how voters will vote and what they are most likely to vote
for. Once a politician is aware of these statistics, they can then
conduct their speeches in a manner that will attract the most viewers/
voters.
Response:
I agree with Manuel on question #4 because swing voters are only
hurting American society because they are simply following their
surroundings. If this continues, it will become dangerous because the
most powerful and manipulative people will come into power.
1. According to Madison, the principal cause of faction is basically a
group of people that share the same beliefs. Madison states, " People
are united by some common impulse of passion or of interest.." I agree
with Madison and think this accurately reflect the past and the
present because this is proven when people vote for who should become
president, etc.
2. Madison proposes that we just maintain faction instead of
completely getting rid of it, because this is impossible. Faction is
mostly caused becuase of personal liberty, however without liberty
people wouldn't be given the right to vote anyways. So, instead of
getting rid of liberty Madison wants to just control the amount of
liberty given to individuals. He also believes that if you give
everyone the same opinions and thoughts, this would get rid of
faction.
Response:
I agree with noamy's response on question #1 and think that she makes
a good point when she mentions that Madison's views reflected mostly
his times, because now everything has changed and things aren't as
unequal anymore.
V.O. Key Jr.
1. Key argues that the voice of people is but an echo, because they
are simply just following after their leaders known as the elites.
They do not form any of these opinions on their own, instead the
elites instill these ideas into their heads. I agree, because this is
still how it works today and people only echo what their neighbors or
family members belief. I think that people need to become more
independent and follow their own beliefs, instead of only trying to
follow everyone else.
3. The importance of creating theories is that you will then be able
to predict how voters will vote and what they are most likely to vote
for. Once a politician is aware of these statistics, they can then
conduct their speeches in a manner that will attract the most viewers/
voters.
Response:
I agree with Manuel on question #4 because swing voters are only
hurting American society because they are simply following their
surroundings. If this continues, it will become dangerous because the
most powerful and manipulative people will come into power.
Leona Lopez
Oct 18, 2011, 5:45:11 PM10/18/11
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Read Federalist #10 by James Madison and answer two of the following
passion or opinions that they have for the rights of the rest of the
citizens. I think his view was accurate for his own time because it
was at the time when the U.S. was first starting out so everyone was
telling everyone else how the country should be formed. I think it is
still accurate for the present because people still want to tell
everyone else a certain way.
2) How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
liberty which is pointless because the point of democracy is to have
liberty. So with destroying liberty is to give everybody the same
passion, interest and opinions. The other is just controlling the
effects of fraction. When the opinion are equal and are not biased
then the fraction can be controlled.
Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
following questions and respond to a students post to one of the
others.
1) Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
certain group of people elected to actually make the decisions but
they are suppose to take the public opinion into account, but don’t
really have to listen. I think in today’s society it is kind of like
that, the people of American will cry out about a certain topic but
the representatives won’t act on it.
2) What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
The importance of having theories about how votes behave is because
the politician can look at what areas he should have based on the
history of voting in other elections. You can also study the change
within different elections; you can tell when it was a critical
election.
questions and respond to a students post to one of the others.
1) What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
The principle cause of fraction is a group with common interest,
times? What about the present?
passion or opinions that they have for the rights of the rest of the
citizens. I think his view was accurate for his own time because it
was at the time when the U.S. was first starting out so everyone was
telling everyone else how the country should be formed. I think it is
still accurate for the present because people still want to tell
everyone else a certain way.
2) How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
Madison gives two ways to solve the problem. One way is to destroy
liberty which is pointless because the point of democracy is to have
liberty. So with destroying liberty is to give everybody the same
passion, interest and opinions. The other is just controlling the
effects of fraction. When the opinion are equal and are not biased
then the fraction can be controlled.
Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
others.
1) Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
an echo”? Do you agree?
He says the “voice of the people is but an echo” because there is a
certain group of people elected to actually make the decisions but
they are suppose to take the public opinion into account, but don’t
really have to listen. I think in today’s society it is kind of like
that, the people of American will cry out about a certain topic but
the representatives won’t act on it.
2) What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
The importance of having theories about how votes behave is because
the politician can look at what areas he should have based on the
history of voting in other elections. You can also study the change
within different elections; you can tell when it was a critical
election.
Cristian Ellis
Oct 18, 2011, 10:27:30 PM10/18/11
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Federalist #10 by James Madison
1.What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
-“By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting
times? What about the present?
to majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by
some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights
of other citizens, or to the permanent, and aggregate interest of the
community.” I think that factions have not changed very much since the
origin of our nation. I do believe that Madison very accurately
reflects factions, because they do pertain to different categories
such as race, gender, religion, and other factors in our society.
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
by removing its causes; the other, by giving to every citizen the same
opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.” He controls the
effect by self-love, opinions, and passions.
V.O Key’s The Responsible Electorate
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
an echo”? Do you agree?
country. I agree with Key to a certain extent. I believe that the
people do have somewhat of a voice, even though the elite does handle
most of the decisions.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
candidate running for office, you must know what the people desire.
The candidates then wrap their ideals to match the people’s wants as
much as they possibly can.
Christy Nguyen
Oct 18, 2011, 11:27:41 PM10/18/11
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1. He sees factions as the result of a people common interest and
solution to a certain problem. This has, is, and always will be true.
It is natural and logical to join forces with people who believe in
the same things. Strength in numbers. :-)
2.He proposes to get take away liberty from the people to deal with
the problems, but recognizes it cannot be eliminated when he states
"common interest and passions will, in almost every case, felt by a
majority of the whole.." He believes they can be controlled when the
ideas/opinions are not biased.
I agree with Raichal. Eliminating factions would be
counterproductive; they are natural, and the government should not try
to suppress common views/interest.
1. He is referring to the fact that we elect representative to make
decisions for the benefit of the people they represent, but they do
not represent their people equally. Some group/people's opinions
matter more to these officeholders (ex. businesses). I definitely
agree because as we discussing in class today, the government has
unfair loop holes and tend to favor the elites.
3. They are important because they allow politicians to know who
needs more persuading to vote from them and who they have to be sure
to represent if they plan to run for reelection.
I disagree with Bridget's comment about swing voters. They are NOT
dangerous. I actually believe they are beneficial. Even though someone
might associate themselves with a party, the candidate may not always
be the best choice. People should not be expected to stay loyal to a
party when they disagree with the party's nominee.
solution to a certain problem. This has, is, and always will be true.
It is natural and logical to join forces with people who believe in
the same things. Strength in numbers. :-)
2.He proposes to get take away liberty from the people to deal with
the problems, but recognizes it cannot be eliminated when he states
"common interest and passions will, in almost every case, felt by a
majority of the whole.." He believes they can be controlled when the
ideas/opinions are not biased.
I agree with Raichal. Eliminating factions would be
counterproductive; they are natural, and the government should not try
to suppress common views/interest.
1. He is referring to the fact that we elect representative to make
decisions for the benefit of the people they represent, but they do
not represent their people equally. Some group/people's opinions
matter more to these officeholders (ex. businesses). I definitely
agree because as we discussing in class today, the government has
unfair loop holes and tend to favor the elites.
3. They are important because they allow politicians to know who
needs more persuading to vote from them and who they have to be sure
to represent if they plan to run for reelection.
I disagree with Bridget's comment about swing voters. They are NOT
dangerous. I actually believe they are beneficial. Even though someone
might associate themselves with a party, the candidate may not always
be the best choice. People should not be expected to stay loyal to a
party when they disagree with the party's nominee.
Hersson Cruz
Oct 20, 2011, 9:56:39 AM10/20/11
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1) According to Madison the primary cause of factions are people with
simmilar thoughts and opinions asssembling to reach a common goal. In
both Madisons times and the present I believe this to be true because
people find strength in numbers and if they believe working will help
them reach a goal they are likely to do so
2) Madisons proposal in dealing with factions is by removing the cause
and controlling the effect. Taking away the freedoms and giving
everybody the same belives and treatment would ensure opinons and
thought to be the same throughout the people.
3) Voter beliefs are important because they give politicians, seeking
office, a platform of subjects to campaign on.
Read V.O. Keys
1) I disagree with the theory of voter beliefes because assuming a
group of people share the same thoughts and opinions leads politicians
to fight for certains peoples minds instead of focusing on the
important issues.
2) Keys arguments that the “the voice of the people is but an echo”
has some logic behind it because although people have a say in todays
issues, the issues themselves are raised by the elites.
Response:I agree with Manuels answer on the importance on voter theory
because todays political system is more concerned with gaining offices
than anything else and are likley to nominate somebody who is popular
with the nation than some one who is not.
simmilar thoughts and opinions asssembling to reach a common goal. In
both Madisons times and the present I believe this to be true because
people find strength in numbers and if they believe working will help
them reach a goal they are likely to do so
2) Madisons proposal in dealing with factions is by removing the cause
and controlling the effect. Taking away the freedoms and giving
everybody the same belives and treatment would ensure opinons and
thought to be the same throughout the people.
3) Voter beliefs are important because they give politicians, seeking
office, a platform of subjects to campaign on.
Read V.O. Keys
1) I disagree with the theory of voter beliefes because assuming a
group of people share the same thoughts and opinions leads politicians
to fight for certains peoples minds instead of focusing on the
important issues.
2) Keys arguments that the “the voice of the people is but an echo”
has some logic behind it because although people have a say in todays
issues, the issues themselves are raised by the elites.
Response:I agree with Manuels answer on the importance on voter theory
because todays political system is more concerned with gaining offices
than anything else and are likley to nominate somebody who is popular
with the nation than some one who is not.
stephani...@yahoo.com
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1. According to Madison, the principal cause of faction in society is
people united
by a common impulse of passion, and interest adverse to the rights of
other citizens.
I do feel that his view accurately reflected his own times and the
present because
parties still have the same inducement.
2. Madison proposes two ways to deal with the problem of faction.
1) destroying the liberty to which it's essential to it's
existence.
2) giving every citizen the same passions, opinions and interests.
If a faction were eliminated because liberty would be eliminated too.
Having
similar opinions, passions and interests makes it not biased, which
means it's
controlled.
1. V. O. Key Jr. agrues that the "voice of the people is but an echo"
because
the elites have more say. I disagree because I think everyone should
be able
to have a say.
2. The conclusion that black voters increased. It is a positive thing
because
their views get to be heard.
people united
by a common impulse of passion, and interest adverse to the rights of
other citizens.
I do feel that his view accurately reflected his own times and the
present because
parties still have the same inducement.
2. Madison proposes two ways to deal with the problem of faction.
1) destroying the liberty to which it's essential to it's
existence.
2) giving every citizen the same passions, opinions and interests.
If a faction were eliminated because liberty would be eliminated too.
Having
similar opinions, passions and interests makes it not biased, which
means it's
controlled.
1. V. O. Key Jr. agrues that the "voice of the people is but an echo"
because
the elites have more say. I disagree because I think everyone should
be able
to have a say.
2. The conclusion that black voters increased. It is a positive thing
because
their views get to be heard.
Brandon Walters
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Brandon Walters
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1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
The priniciple cause of faction in society is that almost everyone has
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
the same beliefs and principles.
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
which is essential to its existance or by giving everyone the same
passions, intrests and opinions. Faction cannot be eliminated, but is
controlled by controlling the passions and intrests of the people.
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
an echo”? Do you agree?
are echoing what the elites are doing. I do agree with Key's
statement.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
are going to vote and what they are going to vote for, you can base
your arguments and statements towards what the voters want and surely
win the election.
Buck Schroeter
Oct 23, 2011, 12:46:31 AM10/23/11
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1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
He believes Liberty is the principle cause of faction due to freedom
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
being the very thing that factions use to create an issue. It is
obviously correct for his time because freedom in this way was a new
thing, and there are many examples of people exploiting the new found
possibilities
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
He says the removal of liberty would remove factions, and this is an
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
obvious answer, because your taking away the issue entirely, but he
also says if we all fall in the same opinion, it can be eliminated,
but this is of course impractical because people are innately
different.
3. What other constitutional devices, besides those mentioned by
Madison, tend to prevent the control of government by a faction? What
could be done today to control faction? Should anything new be done?
You must have money to take out adds and pay for any kind of major
Madison, tend to prevent the control of government by a faction? What
could be done today to control faction? Should anything new be done?
movement, and money, people dont tend to want to give up. Therefore,
it takes away a principle in creating political power. Today, we
could create laws banning public dissenting, but that sounds an awful
lot like colonial America, bad times... I think this activity is, in
moderation and consideration, a healthy use of freedom. Not something
to be hindered.
Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
others.
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is
but
an echo”? Do you agree?
Because he believes that Americans are bandwagoneers, and that we are
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is
but
an echo”? Do you agree?
mere shades of more sinister and larger organizations. I disagree
because there are so many people out there that think for themselves
and are politically active, and are truly independent, however, when
every piece of news you are able to obtain is corrupted by someones
opinions, it becomes clear that everyone's "opinion" is someone else's
so yes and no.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
influences, and probable future opinions by looking at these
theories. One can, to a certain extent, predict the future by
studying the present.
I Agree with Christy's disagreement with Bridget's comment, but with a
minor change, you must be weary of swing voters as well because they
are typically people who are waiting to see where the crowd goes, and
that isn't good for anyone.
Saba Zenaw
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armando gallegos
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> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:39:29 -0700
> Subject: Assignment #5 - Due Sunday, October 16th
> From: mrkelly...@gmail.com
> To: akins...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Assignment #5 - Due Sunday, October 16th
> From: mrkelly...@gmail.com
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>
> Read Federalist #10 by James Madison and answer two of the follwing
> questions and respond to a students post to one of the others. (Note:
> A response requires an new thought, not simply "I agree with _____.")
>
> 1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
> society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
> times? What about the present?
> the way people thought of them selves, the ways they would react to certon issues that would come up for people was the cause for factions to for form.
> 2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
> faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
> first by giving the interests and ideas to be passionate about and to do get rid of liberty.
he cant get rid of it couse its going to well for the people.
he cant get rid of it couse its going to well for the people.
> 3. What other constitutional devices, besides those mentioned by
> Madison, tend to prevent the control of government by a faction? What
> could be done today to control faction? Should anything new be done?
>
> 4. What are the implications of Madison’s theory for political parties
> and interest groups within our political system? Was Madison right?
>
> Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
> follwing questions and respond to a students post to one of the
> others.
>
> 1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
> an echo”? Do you agree? he says that the people arnt the echo cause they don't get involved in anything that they is political.
i agree cause the American people don't get involve unless its something that is new to them or of studied interest.
i agree cause the American people don't get involve unless its something that is new to them or of studied interest.
>
> 2. According to V. O. Key, Jr., what were the conclusions from the
> voting study literature about why people vote as they do? Is this a
> postive thing? What can be done about it?
>
> 3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
> 2. According to V. O. Key, Jr., what were the conclusions from the
> voting study literature about why people vote as they do? Is this a
> postive thing? What can be done about it?
>
> 3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
> the theroys are important becouse it helps them win votes and to help them gain the pull of the people in voting.
greg...@yahoo.com
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> Read Federalist #10 by James Madison and answer two of the follwing
> questions and respond to a students post to one of the others. (Note:
> A response requires an new thought, not simply "I agree with _____.")
>
> 1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
> society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
> times? What about the present?
By a faction, there are number of citizens, whether amounting to a
> questions and respond to a students post to one of the others. (Note:
> A response requires an new thought, not simply "I agree with _____.")
>
> 1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
> society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
> times? What about the present?
majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some
common by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to
the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate
interest of the community.
> 2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
> faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
controlling it's effect. Then there would be again another two methods
of removing the causes of faction: destroying the liberty which is
essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the
same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.
> Read V.O. Key's The Responsible Electorate and answer two of the
> follwing questions and respond to a students post to one of the
> others.
>
> 1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
> an echo”? Do you agree?
> Elites form the setting by which regular everyday people make decisions.
> follwing questions and respond to a students post to one of the
> others.
>
> 1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is but
> an echo”? Do you agree?
> 4. What is V. O. Key, Jr.’s “perverse and unorthodox argument”?
kdavi...@yahoo.com
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1. The cause for faction in a society is the fact that majority will
rule, but minority will have some say, so that no group has to much
control. It is true for his time, and for our time this is not true
because the majority rules most things right now.
2. Madison gives ways to remove the faction, this is by balancing the
power out between all the people, so people have equal say, and power
in the population.
1. He says this because people are not as involved in government as
they should be, so this leads to their voice being an echo. I agree
with this because we are not very involved in government, and people's
ideas do not really get out, like they should.
3. It is important to now the behavior of voters, because if you know
their behavior then you will know what they like, and you can appeal
to the voters. Appealing to the voters will help you win elections,
and will give you more power.
rule, but minority will have some say, so that no group has to much
control. It is true for his time, and for our time this is not true
because the majority rules most things right now.
2. Madison gives ways to remove the faction, this is by balancing the
power out between all the people, so people have equal say, and power
in the population.
1. He says this because people are not as involved in government as
they should be, so this leads to their voice being an echo. I agree
with this because we are not very involved in government, and people's
ideas do not really get out, like they should.
3. It is important to now the behavior of voters, because if you know
their behavior then you will know what they like, and you can appeal
to the voters. Appealing to the voters will help you win elections,
and will give you more power.
Adrian Gonzales
Nov 6, 2011, 6:01:55 PM11/6/11
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1. Madison views factions as individuals that have a common interest
and remedy. In his time period this was, and still is, an essential
ideal.
2. He suggest to take liberty away from the people, but realizes that
this is intangible because common interests will reflect the majority.
Faction can be controlled when the ideas are not skewed.
I agree with Christy. It is a common act to join forces with those
that believe in the same ideas.
1. Key is implying that the voice of the people is not being
represented equally. Some individual’s concerns/ideas are being taken
into a higher consideration than others. I agree because the
government has spent, in my opinion, too much time discussing
frivolous topics in lieu of getting down to the nitty-gritty of
things.
3. They are “important” because they allow politicians to manipulate
their agendas in order to appeal to certain voters.
I agree and disagree with Christy. I believe that there are definitely
problems with loop holes in the government, but that the government is
not favoring the elites.
and remedy. In his time period this was, and still is, an essential
ideal.
2. He suggest to take liberty away from the people, but realizes that
this is intangible because common interests will reflect the majority.
Faction can be controlled when the ideas are not skewed.
I agree with Christy. It is a common act to join forces with those
that believe in the same ideas.
1. Key is implying that the voice of the people is not being
represented equally. Some individual’s concerns/ideas are being taken
into a higher consideration than others. I agree because the
government has spent, in my opinion, too much time discussing
frivolous topics in lieu of getting down to the nitty-gritty of
things.
3. They are “important” because they allow politicians to manipulate
their agendas in order to appeal to certain voters.
I agree and disagree with Christy. I believe that there are definitely
problems with loop holes in the government, but that the government is
not favoring the elites.
Chris Solano (The Boss)
Nov 6, 2011, 6:35:03 PM11/6/11
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1)How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
liberty of citizens and by creating opinions and iterest that every
citizen would favor.
2)What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
same opinions, passions. I believe that Madison's view accurately
reflected his times and and the present because parties back then and
parties now still have the same ideas.
1) Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is
in the end it is the elites who make the decision. I agree with his
statement because since the elite have money they have more influence
in government.
3) What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
The importance of theories on how voters behave is that the candidate
running the campaign can estimate if that region or group will vote
for you.
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
Madison proposes to solve the problem of faction by removing the
liberty of citizens and by creating opinions and iterest that every
citizen would favor.
2)What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
Madison believed that the cause of faction was people that had the
times? What about the present?
same opinions, passions. I believe that Madison's view accurately
reflected his times and and the present because parties back then and
parties now still have the same ideas.
1) Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is
but
an echo”? Do you agree?
Key argues that the voice is but an echo because although people vote,
an echo”? Do you agree?
in the end it is the elites who make the decision. I agree with his
statement because since the elite have money they have more influence
in government.
3) What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
The importance of theories on how voters behave is that the candidate
running the campaign can estimate if that region or group will vote
for you.
Chris Solano (The Boss)
Nov 6, 2011, 6:37:50 PM11/6/11
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I agree with Greg on question 4 because politicians are doing this in
current american polititcs.
current american polititcs.
Chris Solano (The Boss)
Nov 6, 2011, 6:40:03 PM11/6/11
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I agree with Kendall over the fact that people are not as involved in
government. If people would be more involved in government our voices
would be heard and not be an echo.
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government. If people would be more involved in government our voices
would be heard and not be an echo.
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Itzel Okumura
Nov 6, 2011, 8:37:59 PM11/6/11
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1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
According to Madison, the principal cause of faction in society
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
is when citizens come unite amongst themselves and argue for an issue
whether it be for rights, interests, or beneficial to others. Madison
also states that the major types of faction were property distribution
and diversion of opinion in politics. For this reason, I feel that
Madison's view is pretty accurate in both past and present times
because usually the ones who have the wealth and popularity get an
advantage in Congress. Back in the day those who had a lot of land,
had different opinion of those without any and that's an example for
diverse opinions.
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
control its effects. Getting rid of the problem, though, means taking
away liberty away from the people. This doesn't seem like it would
work because liberty is very valuable to the U.S. and it wouldn't make
sense to get rid of it. The other suggestion Madison brought up, was
to control the effects of faction, in which you would have to create a
nation that thinks alike. Factions will have to continue to be around,
but can be limited if its effects are controlled.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
votes and also allows politicians to kind of see the voting trends and
helps them when they campaign or run for office.
2.What is V. O. Key, Jr.’s “perverse and unorthodox argument”?
Key's argument states that voters aren't fools and what they
give is what they're going to get out of the government.
Itzel Okumura
Nov 6, 2011, 8:49:24 PM11/6/11
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I agree with Chris when he says that political parties have shared the
same ideas whether it be the present or the past. Obviously their
purpose is to win elections and that goal will remain throughout
time.
I agree with Cristian when he says “The candidates then wrap their
ideals to match the people’s wants as much as they possibly can.”
This statement is true because candidates will lie if they have to, in
order to get votes. If they see and issue that is politically
scandalous, they will try to talk about so they can have some relation
to the public.
Amanda Nickles
Nov 11, 2011, 1:59:49 AM11/11/11
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Federalist #10 Questions
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
The principle faction is a group of people with similar interests that
are either for or against something. I believe this his view is
accurate in both the present and the past becuase he started this when
the country was starting to form laws for the people, and thats how
the government still runs today.
factions. In the paper it says that he would remove the causes by
controlling its effects. Factions cannot be eliminated because it
plays a part in the groups belief to improve the life of the people.
It also is a right given to the people. It is controlled by everyone
having the same opinions and the same interests.
I believe that manuel's answer to question #2 is a great answer
because in the paper it is stating that Madison would remove the
causes by controlling its effects. He also backs his answer up very
well.
V.O Key Jr. Questions
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is
but
an echo”? Do you agree?
It states that Key's assertion shows how "complex and powerful is
heresthetic. Elites form the setting by which ordinary people make
decisions." Basically it is saying that people aren't forming there
own opinions. Elites are putting stuff in peoples heads and getting
them to believe what they want. I agree because i think that the
people need more of a voice.
to get as many votes as you possibly can so by going to different
regions in the country & appealing to what people like in each region
will help your campaign be successful. You wouldn't want to talk about
an issue that people in a certain area disagree about because then you
would lose votes and your time there would be wasted.
I believe that raichals response to question #3 is a very good
response because we both agree with the fact that if you want to have
a successful campaign then you must appeal to different groups in
different areas.
1. What, according to Madison, is the principal cause of faction in
society, and do you feel that his view accurately reflected his own
times? What about the present?
are either for or against something. I believe this his view is
accurate in both the present and the past becuase he started this when
the country was starting to form laws for the people, and thats how
the government still runs today.
2. How does Madison propose to deal with the problem of faction? Can
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
Madison had a set of solutions to help solve the problems posed by the
faction be eliminated? How is it to be controlled?
factions. In the paper it says that he would remove the causes by
controlling its effects. Factions cannot be eliminated because it
plays a part in the groups belief to improve the life of the people.
It also is a right given to the people. It is controlled by everyone
having the same opinions and the same interests.
I believe that manuel's answer to question #2 is a great answer
because in the paper it is stating that Madison would remove the
causes by controlling its effects. He also backs his answer up very
well.
V.O Key Jr. Questions
1. Why does V. O. Key, Jr., argue that the “voice of the people is
but
an echo”? Do you agree?
heresthetic. Elites form the setting by which ordinary people make
decisions." Basically it is saying that people aren't forming there
own opinions. Elites are putting stuff in peoples heads and getting
them to believe what they want. I agree because i think that the
people need more of a voice.
3. What is the importance of theories about how voters behave?
Theories about how voters behave are very important because you want
to get as many votes as you possibly can so by going to different
regions in the country & appealing to what people like in each region
will help your campaign be successful. You wouldn't want to talk about
an issue that people in a certain area disagree about because then you
would lose votes and your time there would be wasted.
I believe that raichals response to question #3 is a very good
response because we both agree with the fact that if you want to have
a successful campaign then you must appeal to different groups in
different areas.
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