Sergey
m.
--
Cesar García - @elsatch
Ando con encolamiento para responder correos y los proceso lunes, miércoles y viernes. Si es algo urgente/rápido contáctame por Twitter. Gracias!
Cesar Garcia wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Sara and I, have been talking extensively in Madrid about the need to tag data in a proper way to make it meaningful. (Among other hundreds of things, lately). We've been thinking about the following tags:
>
> -In/Out: Is it located in the outer part of the house near a street or to the inner part near a yard.
> -Road/Pedestrian: Is it near a street/road or near a pedestrian area.
> -Floor: Which floor is the sensor located it? For some official measurements, it's is necessary for the sensor to be 4 meters over the ground level
>
> Other data that may be needed to track is:
> -Longitude, Latitude (already tracked in Pachube). Maybe we could use a web service to add altitude if it's needed.
> -AQE Versi�n: As versions evolve, it could be useful to know the version people are using.
> -Available Sensors: Being a modular platform, each datastream will hold data for a single component, but it might be useful to be able to filter using tags. (AQE + Radiation sensor to get all egg equiped with radiation sensors only).
> -AQE serial number: If sensor is moved, it could be interesting to track measures in other areas using exactly the same equipment.
>
> We are also thinking about taking photos of "best" installation options, to try to get consistent placements. We are planning to create some manuals to explain and cover all this options, so people get knowledgable about their AQE.
>
> What do you think about these tags? What else would you add?
>
> Best.
> C�sar
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Ed Borden <borden...@gmail.com <mailto:borden...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This is super-important. How can we help move this forward, I wonder?
> Where is everyone on this thread located? Is this the type of thing
> where an in-person session might be beneficial? Maybe I can help
> facilitating bringing us all together to work on this.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Martin Dittus <dek...@gmail.com <mailto:dek...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I'm very interested in any data modelling projects people will start with this; not necessarily even going as far as detecting patterns, even just building environmental models under consideration of uncertainty factors would already be interesting. E.g. with the aim of optimising the sensor network structure (knowing where best to place new sensors for best coverage), or as a starting point for comparative studies with related data sets.
> >
> > m.
> >
> >
> > On 15 Apr 2012, at 18:02, chduke wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Based on the number of sensors (and data) that will be available and
> > > the fact that data will be 'raw' (uncalibrated, etc.) this looks like
> > > a very interesting project and challenge for applying pattern
> > > recognition techniques in order to either identify patterns (based on
> > > location of eggs, sensors used, etc.) and/or classify air quality
> > > (based on user estimation, correlation with other data, etc.).
> > >
> > > Apart from collecting the data this project would need some additional
> > > information from users (such as air quality estimation, etc.) and a
> > > mechanism for analyzing the data. It could be implemented as part of
> > > the back-end infrastructure of Pachube or completely as an external
> > > application. The outcome could be used to provide an automated
> > > estimation of air quality, show what sensor data have the highest
> > > impact on air quality etc. It could also be used by the scientific
> > > community to perform further experiments in the domain since data will
> > > be somewhat structured and annotated with air quality information.
> > >
> > > I am wondering how many people would be interested in participating in
> > > such a projects (web developers, data contributors, etc.).
> > >
> >
>
> --
> Cesar Garc�a - @elsatch
>
> Ando con encolamiento para responder correos y los proceso lunes, mi�rcoles y viernes. Si es algo urgente/r�pido cont�ctame por Twitter. Gracias!
>
--
.....................................................
Usman Haque
http://www.pachube.com/
3 Scrutton Street
London EC2A 4HF
United Kingdom
Direct: +44 20 3441 1343
Mobile: +44 7796 507 162
(I'm in London, as you know.)
m.
-Simone.
--
-S
cesar
i would recommend using machine tags, perhaps with the 'aqe' namespace. that way it's continually extensible and can be defined by the community as a whole. here's something i wrote a long while back which explains why and how machine tags are useful: http://community.pachube.com/node/542
usman
Cesar Garcia wrote:
Hi everyone,
Sara and I, have been talking extensively in Madrid about the need to tag data in a proper way to make it meaningful. (Among other hundreds of things, lately). We've been thinking about the following tags:
-In/Out: Is it located in the outer part of the house near a street or to the inner part near a yard.
-Road/Pedestrian: Is it near a street/road or near a pedestrian area.
-Floor: Which floor is the sensor located it? For some official measurements, it's is necessary for the sensor to be 4 meters over the ground level
Other data that may be needed to track is:
-Longitude, Latitude (already tracked in Pachube). Maybe we could use a web service to add altitude if it's needed.
-AQE Versión: As versions evolve, it could be useful to know the version people are using.
-Available Sensors: Being a modular platform, each datastream will hold data for a single component, but it might be useful to be able to filter using tags. (AQE + Radiation sensor to get all egg equiped with radiation sensors only).
-AQE serial number: If sensor is moved, it could be interesting to track measures in other areas using exactly the same equipment.
We are also thinking about taking photos of "best" installation options, to try to get consistent placements. We are planning to create some manuals to explain and cover all this options, so people get knowledgable about their AQE.
What do you think about these tags? What else would you add?
Best.
César
Cesar García - @elsatch
Ando con encolamiento para responder correos y los proceso lunes, miércoles y viernes. Si es algo urgente/rápido contáctame por Twitter. Gracias!
--
.....................................................
Usman Haque
http://www.pachube.com/
3 Scrutton Street
London EC2A 4HF
United Kingdom
Direct: +44 20 3441 1343
Mobile:
Different sensors have a different lifespan. I think it is important
to add meta data about sensor (when it was calibrated, date of
deployment, maintenance, etc), especially ones with a short lifespan.
I'm from Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Sergey
I am interested in the pattern recognition aspect, too.
Especially the in combination with "official" data streams. I'll gladly
discuss this aspect and would appreciate pointers to previous
discussions if there have been any.
Am 16.04.2012 03:13, schrieb Sergey Vlasov:
> Different sensors have a different lifespan. I think it is important
> to add meta data about sensor (when it was calibrated, date of
> deployment, maintenance, etc), especially ones with a short lifespan.
I am involved in sensor metadata handling a bit (non-Pachube only, for
now!) and this is very interesting for me, too.
If I chance the temperature sensor on my egg, I would probably add it as
a new feed and stop the old one, right? If we want to do longer term
pattern recognition, would we need a mechanism to connect those
different feeds?
Best regards,
Daniel
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Cesar Garcia <cesarga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Sara and I, have been talking extensively in Madrid about the need to tag
>> data in a proper way to make it meaningful. (Among other hundreds of things,
>> lately). We've been thinking about the following tags:
>>
>> -In/Out: Is it located in the outer part of the house near a street or to
>> the inner part near a yard.
>> -Road/Pedestrian: Is it near a street/road or near a pedestrian area.
>> -Floor: Which floor is the sensor located it? For some official
>> measurements, it's is necessary for the sensor to be 4 meters over the
>> ground level
>>
>> Other data that may be needed to track is:
>> -Longitude, Latitude (already tracked in Pachube). Maybe we could use a web
>> service to add altitude if it's needed.
>> -AQE Versi�n: As versions evolve, it could be useful to know the version
>> people are using.
>> -Available Sensors: Being a modular platform, each datastream will hold data
>> for a single component, but it might be useful to be able to filter using
>> tags. (AQE + Radiation sensor to get all egg equiped with radiation sensors
>> only).
>> -AQE serial number: If sensor is moved, it could be interesting to track
>> measures in other areas using exactly the same equipment.
>>
>> We are also thinking about taking photos of "best" installation options, to
>> try to get consistent placements. We are planning to create some manuals to
>> explain and cover all this options, so people get knowledgable about their
>> AQE.
>>
>> What do you think about these tags? What else would you add?
>>
>> Best.
>> C�sar
>>> Cesar Garc�a - @elsatch
>>>
>>> Ando con encolamiento para responder correos y los proceso lunes,
>>> mi�rcoles y viernes. Si es algo urgente/r�pido cont�ctame por Twitter.
>>> Gracias!
>>>
>>
>
--
Daniel N�st
52� North Initiative for Geospatial Open Source Software GmbH
Martin-Luther-King-Weg 24
48155 M�nster, Germany
E-Mail: d.n...@52north.org
Fon: +49-(0)-251�396371-36
Fax: +49-(0)-251�396371-11
http://52north.org/
General Managers: Dr. Albert Remke, Dr. Andreas Wytzisk
Local Court Muenster HRB 10849
Correction: I would add it as a new datastream.
Extension: Do we really want multiple devices over time as input?
Apologies for the many questions, just trying to find the issues from a
pattern recognition perspective and where I can contribute.
--
Cesar García - @elsatch
Ando con encolamiento para responder correos y los proceso lunes, miércoles y viernes. Si es algo urgente/rápido contáctame por Twitter. Gracias!
One thing that hasn't been brought up yet is the crucial step between measurement an analysis: data cleaning/preparation. Cf the "Calibration" thread and Ed's "the network calibrates itself" vision, and loads of suggestions others made there.
The outcomes of that discussion should have a direct impact on the opportunities and limitations of your pattern detection aims.
m.
Adjuntos:- Pachube.R
The AQEgg data, which you have analyzed, has been captured indoors. I had difficulties to get NO2 and CO readings outdoors. You might have a look at the discussion I've had with Joe:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?fromgroups#!topic/airqualityegg/W9e5sbK9_Aw
Cheers,
Carsten