today's run at marine drive

[Ramachandran V]

Had a great run today at Marine Drive, surely must be ranked as "one among the greatest places to run in the world". Started off at 6.15 a.m, when the Queen's Necklace was still lighted, i ran upto some distance up the hill and returned back all the way to NCPA to the small concrete pier at the edge. The place is teeming with runners and most of them very serious runners. Running along marine drive at pleasure is a great feeling, feeding off the energy levels of other runners, great sight and sound of waves lapping was too good. People in S. Mumbai are indeed lucky to have a great place to run. I ran for 71 minutes, not much in terms of time or kms but a psychological boost because i get ragged every time from the wilson college turnaround to the veer nariman road, today i managed to run the distance without stopping. back home at 8.45 a.m., rounded off the morning with a 30 min yoga listening to dilip kumar songs.

 

Ram
http://ram-books.blogspot.com 

[Mohan Apte]

Superb Ramachandran!

I agree, Marine drive is a fantastic place to run, probably the best
in Mumbai. I once ran there in the evening in pelting rain and then
after that had the most horrendous journey back home - it took me 2.5
hours to reach Shivaji park, where i stay. The traffic jams on Peder
Road are legendary. I was in my car, completely drenched and driving
at snail's pace for 2.5 hours.

Do you stay close to Marine Drive?

I do most of my runs in the mornings at Shivaji Park where i stay, as
then I can shower and change for work.

Regards


Mohan

[Ramachandran V]

Hi Mohan,

 

How much is the circumference of Shivaji Park in kms. Are there many runners in the mornings in SP.

 

Rgds Ram

2009/9/21 Mohan Apte <moha...@gmail.com>

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Ram
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[Mohan Apte]

Hi Ramachandran

You can run around SP in concentric circles. The innermost is dirt field, followed by the tiled inner  pathway, followed by the tiled outer pathways, then the roads and finally the tiled footpath on the opposite side.

I prefer to run on a combination of the inner tiled pathway and the roads. Lions Club has put up signboards that has calculated the circumference as 1.2 km, but I am not sure which concentric circle they are referring to.

In any case, I tend to run on different roads adjoining Shivaji Park, since they are devoid of motorists (relatively) and pedestrians (definitely). And you CANNOT run at Shivaji Park in the evenings unless you want to stop every 5 seconds to avoid pedestrians and vehicles.

I assume you are able to run at Marine Drive since you live or work close by? Which is it?

- Mohan

[Ramachandran V]

Hi,

 

Actually, i stay at Goregaon and work in Andheri and sunday was my first run at marine drive. Hope to do next soon, maybe next month.

 

Rgds. Ram

2009/9/22 Mohan Apte <moha...@gmail.com>

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Ram
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[Rajat Mathur]

I did a mid-afternoon run last Sun...

 

From 12.30 to 2 pm., along the highway fm Goregaon to Andheri... Running in the afternoon was harder tho, due to higher pollution and heat. I wanted to try getting used to the sun...since will probably hv to be running in the sun to complete 42... :(  

 

On the brighter side - thrs no need to waste time on any warm up whn u start off in the blazing sun!! :)

 

 

- Rajat

 

PS: Am attaching som info, maybe useful to u... fm couple of madhur's emails. My HR is much higher than tht recommended tho  :( 

 

2. Deepak - can u send me step-by-step instructions fm ur book for how to upload Garmin 305 stats onto email attachments? Still dont hv a clue! I get som tcx file whn i export which is ovr 5 MB...

 

 

2009/9/22 Ramachandran V <chan...@gmail.com>

[Michael Dsouza]

Hallo Rajat, What R U trying to prove MAN ? running in the after noon sun is very dangerous, hope you did not have any thing before your run.

[P Venkatraman]

Rajat,

 

You are newly married. Isn't one madness enough? :-)

Jokes apart...let me add to what Mike has said.

 

I have narrated this incident in some forum earlier about why we do not run in runs that are not well organized.

 

About 4 years or so back, we were invited to run for a 12 km run organized by the Ryan School at Vashi, Navi Mumbai. About 20 of us showed up all eager to run. The run was scheduled at 7 am.

 

By the time the speeches were over and the VIPs accommodated and the run started it was 9 am. The route was along Palm Beach road to a point 6 kms out and 6 kms back.

 

In the first 2-3 kms there were some water etc and some teachers and students cheering etc. After about 15-20 mins of the run the tropical heat got to everyone and they just packed up the watering stations and went back to the school. By the time we were coming back it was well past 10 am or so and we were running without any water at all.

 

As one of our runners was going up the bridge that takes Palm Beach road over the railway tracks, he just fell flat on his face. I was about 20 meters behind him. Just flat means even his hands did not stretch out in reflex to break his fall.  On one minute he has galloping a nice pace and the next he was on his face on the road without even the ability to writhe in the pain of his fall. Just flat unconscious.

 

Fortunately in our group we have quite a few doctors. They came and immediately identified the cause as heatstroke caused due to running in the sun with no water.

 

To complete the story...we immediately called up a known nursing home in Vashi, ordered an A/c room to be kept ready with full A/c blast. Towels and ice to be kept ready too. He was swaddled in towels chilled with ice water all over his body and his core temperature bought down. Saline and electrals were administered. It was a good hour to hour and a half before he started realising where he was and what happened in the interim when he was running along so well.

 

It is very dangerous for something like this to happen on the WEH all alone.

 

Venkat

[Michael Dsouza]

Thanks Venkat,  I still dont understand why this chap did such a   *&%$#@    thing?

[P Venkatraman]

Mike....are you referring to Rajat or our runner when you say 'this chap'.

I cannot answer for Rajat though the question is still valid.

 

But as for our runner, there was an assurance that water stations would be there and that the run would be at 7 am. So we did not come prepared for a situation that the run would be at 9 am ( in October heat ) without any water stations.

[Mohan Apte]

I second Michael's comments! Its insane to run the afternoon heat and humidity of Mumbai - even if you are well hydrated.

Rajat, running in the afternoon is possible in temperate countries. I have see people run mostly anytime of the day - which is OK when the temperatures are like 16 dec C or lower.

[Mohan Apte]

I would simply walk away from the run (no pun intended) rather than risk a heat stroke. My body knows when its not suitable for running and I listen to it very carefully!

[Ramachandran V]

I had run at Bangalore 10k in May 2008 when the start was at 9.30 a.m. I had run that event thinking that I must run a summer event to acclimatise myself to running in all conditions. The arrangements were good and there were plenty of water stations, so it was not unbearable.  

Coming back to the point that Rajat had made that in order to acclimatise oneself when you are running a substantial part of the marathon in sunshine, what should you do. Even the half marathoners in Mumbai have to bear the brunt of the sun when we come out of wilson college to Veer Nariman road, there is negligible tree cover. What strategies should a runner adopt in such situations.

 

I remember reading abt Chicago marathon last year was a disaster, because the temperatures rose unexpectedly and water stations got over, it was a disaster with one runner dead and most of them wilting under the sun, the marathon had to be called of after some miles.

 

Rgds. Ram

2009/9/24 Mohan Apte <moha...@gmail.com>

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Ram
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[Rajat Mathur]

Hey, thanks all for the concern & feedback. Venkat's mail was specially worrying..

 

It was fortunately bit cloudy on Sun which kept temp under 38 C (i think), and there was also good tree cover off and on. I wore a cap so managed to avoid direct exposure to the sun. And kept myself hydrated too.

But yes i dont think i'll be repeating the afternnon run in a hurry!! Much more enjoyable to train early morning..

 

 

- Rajat

2009/9/24 Madhur Kotharay <mad...@alumni.princeton.edu>

 

Rajat,

 

I have pushed myself in bright noon sun at times and my opinion is that it is completely suicidal to attempt it. It is not about getting yourself used to the sun! If it gets that hot and humid, the only sensible thing to do is to call off the run / race.

 

I and Daniel are currently working on the i-Race model for various temperature and humidity conditions and the four interesting articles are below.

http://www.marathonguide.com/training/coachmindy/heat.cfm

http://are.berkeley.edu/heat/humidtxt.html#hitable

http://knol.google.com/k/amy-halleran/running-101-running-in-heat-humidity/yk2yn42l1nhl/2#

http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/01/fatigue-examined.html

 

But, in nutshell, if the (equivalent) temperature (after adjusting for humidity; check the first article) is higher than 38 celcius or 105 degreee, there is no question of conditioning or doing any run.

 

Finally, after having said this, I don't fault Rajat's spirit. If we are not a bit stupid, what are we? It is important to note that:

 

1.. An individual who is heat acclimated may perspire almost twice as much as an unacclimated individual. Heat conditioning will improve the skin blood flow and sweating (Article 2). So you cannot say you should never train in the heat. But it is very vital that when you train in heat and humidity, you have someone with you who can give you water / electrolytes all along.

 

2. It takes about 2 weeks to condition to the heat. Melvin and Bhasker, when you are looking at bringing the Ladakh Marathon star, Stanzin, to run in Mumbai Marathon or Delhi Half, you may have to keep this in mind.

 

Madhur

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From: Michael Dsouza

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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:34 AM

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