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The article below talks about the new trend of going back to conventional cushioning in the shoes. But actually, the problem was never with cushioning in the shoes. 

The problem was because older shoes offered cushioning, the runners changed their gait from landing on the ball of the foot to landing on the heel. 

The mechanism of the foot is such that the impact of landing on the foot while running is dissipated if you land on the ball of your foot. But if you land on the heel of your foot, the whole rear structure of the foot and even the knee get a big jolt. Try it. So with barefoot or minimalistic running, you are forced to run with ball-of-the-foot strike, which is optimal. 

With the cushioned shoes, you can get sloppy and land on the heel of the foot, and you would not get much of a jerk. But such strike, repeated over tens of thousands of steps, would cause other damage to the foot and the knee - shearing moment on the knee joint, for one.

I realised this when the minimalistic shoes came in vogue. I could not use them as I still have that stress fracture of my leg, that flares up on impact. So I use the normal shoes and simply keep checking and ensuring I land on the ball of my foot.

Thus, the debate about barefoot and maximalist is frivolous. 

Our Vijay Gupta's research is more on making a better cushioning material. As an example, water is equally viscous whether static or flowing (needs same effort to stir in both situations). But ketchup or yogurt are thicker (more viscous) when stationary. Once you stir them, they become less viscous. Exactly opposite is silicone putty. It is soft and pliable when static but if you press it hard with a hammer, it will shatter like glass. 

Normal cushioning materials are like ketchup. They become softer and softer on impact ('yield'). Vijay is trying to come up with better materials which become progressively harder on impact. So they can stop bullets (classified work 😳) and give basic cushioning for running shoes but not deform enough in the process to alter your gait.

Madhur


Forget Barefoot; New Trendsetter in Running Shoes Is Cushioning

Leo Manzano, an Olympic silver medalist, said his plantar fasciitis disappeared after he started using the more-cushioned shoes of Hoka One One.
JULIA ROBINSON FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
    By LINDSAY CROUSE
    FEBRUARY 16, 2015

    Athletes who spent the past few years embracing or scorning barefoot running can now consider whether increasingly popular “maximalist” shoes — with their chunky, heavily cushioned soles — are the sport’s new wonder product.

    Some dismiss the shoes as gimmicky, or just silly-looking. Others, including injury-prone joggers and Olympians, are apostolic converts. 

    Leo Manzano, an Olympic medalist in the 1,500 meters, runs in the most popular maximalist shoe brand, Hoka One One, which has double the cushioning of standard running shoes. Plagued by plantar fasciitis, an inflammation in his foot, Manzano said the condition disappeared just a week after he tried the shoes last March. In July, he became the fifth fastest American in the 1,500. Manzano is now sponsored by Hoka, which has been accruing a roster of competitive distance runners. “They’re not your normal shoe, but I actually think they’re better than normal,” Manzano, 30, said. “When I first saw them, because they’re so big, I thought they’d be heavy. But they’re incredibly light. My legs felt really fresh after a long run in them. It’s like running on a cloud.”

    Hoka One One’s initial customers were ultrarunners, who felt the extra cushioning helped protect their legs from the shock of running up to 200-mile races. But the brand is gaining a following with more recreational athletes. Last year it sold more than 550,000 pairs, which cost $130 to $170 each, and its $48 million in sales were up 350 percent from 2013. Founded in 2009 by French athletes and based in the Bay Area, the company was acquired in 2012 by Deckers Brands, which also owns UGG Australia and Teva. 

    The Stinson Lite model from Hoka One One, whose initial customers were ultrarunners who felt extra cushioning helped protect their legs from the shock of running long races.
    HOKA ONE ONE

    Solutions for injury prevention, on the extremes of the athletic footwear spectrum, have reached panacea-like proportions in recent years. The rise of maximalism counters the fall of minimalism, particularly the barefoot running movement. Boosted by terms like “proprioception” (feel for the road) and the best-selling book “Born to Run,”which argued that the human body was naturally built for running without corrective footwear, American sales of minimalist shoes peaked at $400 million in 2012. 

    They have been declining since. The most visible minimalist shoe was the Vibram FiveFinger, which looked like gloves for your feet. But in May, Vibram agreed to settle a lawsuit that alleged the company made false claims about the health benefits of its footwear.

    Despite the heavy supply of potential solutions, demand for injury prevention remains high. 

    “People are frustrated, and we’re told so often there’s a magic shoe that will stop our injuries,” said Jay Dicharry, a biomechanist in Bend, Ore., and author of “Anatomy for Runners.”  “But that’s just not true.”

    Rich Mendelowitz, a longtime runner from Arlington, Va., started wearing Hokas while training to qualify for the Boston Marathon last year at age 55. 

    “I’ve had more comments on these shoes than I’ve had hot meals since wearing them,” he said. “But as a relatively older runner, staying injury-free is particularly important to me. I’m convinced that these are the shoes that will extend your running life.”

    Mindful of the Vibram lawsuit, Hoka has been careful not to make any evidence-based health claims, and few studies exist on the effectiveness of extreme cushioning. One prominent University of Colorado study in 2012 found that the benefits of cushioning underfoot were finite: 10 millimeters of cushioning on a treadmill saved energy, while 20 millimeters of cushioning did not.

    Lauren Fleshman, a national champion in the 5,000 meters, likened the maximalist upswing to past footwear phenomena, now rejected as passé.

    “To me, maximalist shoes fall right in the line of every other shoe trend,” she said. “There’s some good reasoning, but we don’t know enough about how it affects the body longer term, and we won’t know until everyone has been using it a while and all the other research comes out about how it destroys your body or whatever, and then there’s a lawsuit, and then there’s a campaign about how to use the technology properly, and then in the midst of all this confusion the next trend takes off. There is no shoe savior coming for us.”

    Dicharry, the biomechanist, suggested that extreme shoes like the Hokas might be best used in moderation.

    “Some people have a road bike, a commuter bike and a mountain bike, and they all have their purpose,” Dicharry said. “Maximalism is the new fat-tire bike of running shoes.”

    Despite his devotion to Hokas, Manzano said he still ran short distances barefoot to keep his feet strong.

    Jonathan Beverly, the shoe editor for Runners World, said maximalist shoes like the Hoka incorporated many of the qualities that made minimalism popular, while also mitigating the impact of running on hard surfaces. 

    “The benefit of the big sole is actually similar to what the minimal movement did; with both types of shoes you have to keep your body and your center of gravity above your feet,” Beverly said. “So you’re running with the same posture as you would if you were barefoot, but with all this cushioning.”

    A move toward extra cushioning extends beyond the Hokas to more mainstream brands. Sales of one of Brooks’s most cushioned shoes, Glycerin, increased 29 percent in 2014, and the company also added a new higher-cushioned shoe last year. 

    “When we were doing the research behind lightweight shoes, 70 to 80 percent of runners we surveyed felt that cushioning was the attribute they most wanted,” said Carson Caprara, a senior product manager for Brooks Running. “Our goal is not to make it look like you’re wearing something crazy different. It looks for the most part like a regular running shoe, but it’s done differently. It’s designed to make you feel like you’re not hitting the ground.”

    Dicharry said maximalist shoes were not necessarily suited for running fast. 

    “They could be good for easy runs,” he said. “But when you’re doing a speed workout, you want to go back to firmer footwear that helps your body explode off the ground.”

    Manzano felt that the higher cushioning of his Hokas suited his higher mileage.

    “I run 70-80 miles a week, which is extreme, and I was suffering from extreme issues,” he said. “So I need extreme support.”

    Ultimately, most runners may need to resort to more traditional solutions.

    “Of course what’s on your feet is important,” Dicharry said. “But there is a lot of evidence to show that people who spend more time improving their bodies as opposed to shopping for shoes are the ones who are going to run better.”



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    Madhur,
    Very interesting reading indeed.
    Have you read the book 'Tread lightly'?

    Venkat

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    Madhur Kotharay

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    Venkat, I have not read the book you mentioned. Executive summary?

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    Shreekanth

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    Madhu
    i have been running barefoot since dec 2011  and this was after running on various kinds of shoes; i have also tried using minimals; after years of running and i started quite late, i will vote for barefoot running
    Having said that we must not look at running in isolaiton; it is part of so many things that  we do as human being, our body constitution, our thinking,,  what we eat and how much/well we rest -all these impact our running just as running impacts some of these
    hence the answer would be experiment like any true scientist would, learn from it and apply it

    Madhur Kotharay

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    Shreekanth,

    Just curious. How exactly do you handle all the risky things we have on Indian roads: glass splinters, nails, rusted tins, and what not? Do you actively keep checking every step you take?

    Also, how do you handle (or 'foot'le 😜) when the asphalt gets hot in the sun?

    Another situation: I was running a trail in New Zealand last month and suddenly, a long patch had a lots of shrubs with tough thorns. I ran over them as I was wearing shoes. I do not know how a barefoot runner would handle those. 

    Your experience?

    Madhur

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    P. Venkatraman

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    Exec summary will be there on Amazon.com together with appropriate reviews, I am sure :-)

    Venkat

    On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Madhur Kotharay <madhur....@gmail.com> wrote:
    Venkat, I have not read the book you mentioned. Executive summary?

    Madhur

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    On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 6:51 AM, P. Venkatraman <venkat...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Madhur,
    Very interesting reading indeed.
    Have you read the book 'Tread lightly'?

    Venkat

    On 18 Feb 2015 02:46, "Madhur Kotharay" <madhur....@gmail.com> wrote:
    The article below talks about the new trend of going back to conventional cushioning in the shoes. But actually, the problem was never with cushioning in the shoes. 

    The problem was because older shoes offered cushioning, the runners changed their gait from landing on the ball of the foot to landing on the heel. 

    The mechanism of the foot is such that the impact of landing on the foot while running is dissipated if you land on the ball of your foot. But if you land on the heel of your foot, the whole rear structure of the foot and even the knee get a big jolt. Try it. So with barefoot or minimalistic running, you are forced to run with ball-of-the-foot strike, which is optimal. 

    With the cushioned shoes, you can get sloppy and land on the heel of the foot, and you would not get much of a jerk. But such strike, repeated over tens of thousands of steps, would cause other damage to the foot and the knee - shearing moment on the knee joint, for one.

    I realised this when the minimalistic shoes came in vogue. I could not use them as I still have that stress fracture of my leg, that flares up on impact. So I use the normal shoes and simply keep checking and ensuring I land on the ball of my foot.

    Thus, the debate about barefoot and maximalist is frivolous. 

    Our Vijay Gupta's research is more on making a better cushioning material. As an example, water is equally viscous whether static or flowing (needs same effort to stir in both situations). But ketchup or yogurt are thicker (more viscous) when stationary. Once you stir them, they become less viscous. Exactly opposite is silicone putty. It is soft and pliable when static but if you press it hard with a hammer, it will shatter like glass. 

    Normal cushioning materials are like ketchup. They become softer and softer on impact ('yield'). Vijay is trying to come up with better materials which become progressively harder on impact. So they can stop bullets (classified work 😳) and give basic cushioning for running shoes but not deform enough in the process to alter your gait.



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    Sujit Kolke

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    This article sums the OP article quite well :-)

    On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Madhur Kotharay <madhur....@gmail.com> wrote:
    Shreekanth,

    Just curious. How exactly do you handle all the risky things we have on Indian roads: glass splinters, nails, rusted tins, and what not? Do you actively keep checking every step you take?

    Also, how do you handle (or 'foot'le 😜) when the asphalt gets hot in the sun?

    Another situation: I was running a trail in New Zealand last month and suddenly, a long patch had a lots of shrubs with tough thorns. I ran over them as I was wearing shoes. I do not know how a barefoot runner would handle those. 

    Your experience?

    Madhur

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    On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Shreekanth <pshre...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Madhu
    i have been running barefoot since dec 2011  and this was after running on various kinds of shoes; i have also tried using minimals; after years of running and i started quite late, i will vote for barefoot running
    Having said that we must not look at running in isolaiton; it is part of so many things that  we do as human being, our body constitution, our thinking,,  what we eat and how much/well we rest -all these impact our running just as running impacts some of these
    hence the answer would be experiment like any true scientist would, learn from it and apply it


    On Wednesday, 18 February 2015 06:51:48 UTC+5:30, P. Venkatraman wrote:

    Madhur,
    Very interesting reading indeed.
    Have you read the book 'Tread lightly'?

    Venkat

    On 18 Feb 2015 02:46, "Madhur Kotharay" <madhur....@gmail.com> wrote:
    The article below talks about the new trend of going back to conventional cushioning in the shoes. But actually, the problem was never with cushioning in the shoes. 

    The problem was because older shoes offered cushioning, the runners changed their gait from landing on the ball of the foot to landing on the heel. 

    The mechanism of the foot is such that the impact of landing on the foot while running is dissipated if you land on the ball of your foot. But if you land on the heel of your foot, the whole rear structure of the foot and even the knee get a big jolt. Try it. So with barefoot or minimalistic running, you are forced to run with ball-of-the-foot strike, which is optimal. 

    With the cushioned shoes, you can get sloppy and land on the heel of the foot, and you would not get much of a jerk. But such strike, repeated over tens of thousands of steps, would cause other damage to the foot and the knee - shearing moment on the knee joint, for one.

    I realised this when the minimalistic shoes came in vogue. I could not use them as I still have that stress fracture of my leg, that flares up on impact. So I use the normal shoes and simply keep checking and ensuring I land on the ball of my foot.

    Thus, the debate about barefoot and maximalist is frivolous. 

    Our Vijay Gupta's research is more on making a better cushioning material. As an example, water is equally viscous whether static or flowing (needs same effort to stir in both situations). But ketchup or yogurt are thicker (more viscous) when stationary. Once you stir them, they become less viscous. Exactly opposite is silicone putty. It is soft and pliable when static but if you press it hard with a hammer, it will shatter like glass. 

    Normal cushioning materials are like ketchup. They become softer and softer on impact ('yield'). Vijay is trying to come up with better materials which become progressively harder on impact. So they can stop bullets (classified work 😳) and give basic cushioning for running shoes but not deform enough in the process to alter your gait.



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    Shreekanth

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    Sorry Madhu for the delayed reply
    Touch wood, i was lucky to encounter (only once) glass pieces that actually entered my foot and these were tiny ones; i just removed them (hoped for the best) and continued my running; yes, it is a problem ; however i leave it to natural intelligence of the body to handle that. Having said that, roads in mumbai were generally good till the launch of these pre-fab roads which is a nightmare for any runner be it barefoot or otherwise; the foot may get affected since such roads have a tendency to dip down due to various reasons  Anyhow to summarise, i just leave it to natural intelligence; i do stop and slow down when the roads are bad
    since i run early morning or late evening, hot asphalt does not bother me; but it is clearly a problem and one has to move very fast under such conditions and constantly look for shade;  the same would apply to running on trail, stones, thorns, etc, ( i was not able to do the nasik trail running and was forced to use Vibram)

    having said that, regular barefoot running would in my view lead to improved running and less likely to get impacted on even trail roads once one has logged adequate distance; we must remember that ancient man used to run on trail roads and such genes are unlikely to have disappeared in such a short modern time wherein we started using shoes/slippers
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