[Agilo for Scrum] New sprint backlog view has no tool buttons and contingent section?

[dschulten]

Hi,

the new sprint backlog view has no tool buttons and contingent
section. Can I switch it off for sprints or can I do these things
differently now?

BTW I upgraded to trac 0.11.7 and the performance is great :-)

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[dschulten]

Tried to disable NewBacklogView Plugin, that makes it impossible to
view the sprint backlog at all :-(

On 22 Mai, 06:16, dschulten <d...@escalon.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the new sprint backlog view has no tool buttons and contingent
> section. Can I switch it off for sprints or can I do these things
> differently now?
>
> BTW I upgraded to trac 0.11.7 and the performance is great :-)
>
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[Robert Buchholz]

On Saturday 22 May 2010, dschulten wrote:
> the new sprint backlog view has no tool buttons and contingent
> section. Can I switch it off for sprints or can I do these things
> differently now?

The contingents can be displayed with the little battery icon in the
left area of the backlog toolbar. You'll have to add a contingent to the
sprint before though via the menu on the sprint page (linked from the
Roadmap). What other tools are you missing?

PS: Better not try to disable the new backlog, but help make it better.
In the next release, the old view is gone completely.



Robert

[dschulten]

- On my edit sprint page there is no menu to add contingents. Probably
you mean the Team metrics sprint page (reachable through team/<Team>/
<Sprint>), correct? Well, then there should at least be a shortcut to
that page from the sprint backlog.

The new sprint backlog view lacks the following items:
- The Calculate story points button is missing
- The Confirm commitment button is missing
- The Delete Selected and Remove Selected Buttons are missing
- The Save Changes and Default Sorting Buttons are missing

In general, if the sprint backlog is the tool to plan the sprint, my
wish would be: I'd like to edit the sprint backlog as a table, add
tasks, pull in user stories from the product backlog etc.

On 23 Mai, 21:47, Robert Buchholz <robert.buchh...@agile42.com> wrote:
> On Saturday 22 May 2010, dschulten wrote:
>
> > the new sprint backlog view has no tool buttons and contingent
> > section. Can I switch it off for sprints or can I do these things
> > differently now?
>
> The contingents can be displayed with the little battery icon in the
> left area of the backlog toolbar. You'll have to add a contingent to the
> sprint before though via the menu on the sprint page (linked from the
> Roadmap). What other tools are you missing?
>
> PS: Better not try to disable the new backlog, but help make it better.
> In the next release, the old view is gone completely.
>
> Robert
>
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[Robert Buchholz]

On Tuesday 25 May 2010, dschulten wrote:
> - On my edit sprint page there is no menu to add contingents.
> Probably you mean the Team metrics sprint page (reachable through
> team/<Team>/ <Sprint>), correct? Well, then there should at least be
> a shortcut to that page from the sprint backlog.

Very true. That's why the next release (out this week) will have a
button in the status toolbar of the backlog to add contingents to a
sprint.

> The new sprint backlog view lacks the following items:
> - The Calculate story points button is missing

As this feature was confusing to some users and not really Scrum, we
have decided to drop it. Can you elaborate what the use case for this
feature was for you?

> - The Confirm commitment button is missing

Done in the next release.

> - The Delete Selected and Remove Selected Buttons are missing

Mass-deleting tickets with one click turned out to do more harm than
good, so I am all in favor of that gone. Regarding removal from the
backlog, this should be possible by including a field (e.g., the sprint
column) per ticket and just editing that. Also, in the next release, you
can pull a story out of the sprint and its tasks (unless closed) will
copy the field change.

> - The Save Changes and Default Sorting Buttons are missing

Changes are saved after each entry is changed (text edit, option change,
move). Default sorting has been removed as we think it's now so easy to
sort manually ;-)

> In general, if the sprint backlog is the tool to plan the sprint, my
> wish would be: I'd like to edit the sprint backlog as a table, add
> tasks, pull in user stories from the product backlog etc.

In our sprint planning, we usually use the backlog(s) to select stories
and prioritize them and then change to the Whiteboard view to break them
down into tasks. For us, this is the fastest way to plan our sprints.

Regards

Robert

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[jcperron]

As I see the new version (0.9.0.1) don't have any sorting button. I
work with a product backlog containing more than 400 tickets on 15
components, using the drag and drop to sort all this is almost
impossible. Do you have any suggestion or work around ?

By the way, nice work on the new release my team really like it.

[Robert Buchholz]

Hi Jean-Charles,

On Wednesday 02 June 2010, jcperron wrote:
> As I see the new version (0.9.0.1) don't have any sorting button. I
> work with a product backlog containing more than 400 tickets on 15
> components, using the drag and drop to sort all this is almost
> impossible. Do you have any suggestion or work around ?

The general idea would be to introduce scoped backlogs. One team can
probably not pull from a 400 item backlog anyway. If they are only
interested in stories for one component, they have to go through all
stories even of other components, thus wasting time.

If you create a milestone for each component (or maybe a group of
components), and add the milestone field as a visible field for
stories/requirements, you can split your 400 item backlog into several
backlogs where items for different components/groups are prioritized.
This would make sorting easier, and also ease selection of items for the
team(s).

Does this help you?

Robert

[Felix Schwarz]

Am 02.06.2010 19:47, schrieb jcperron:
> As I see the new version (0.9.0.1) don't have any sorting button. I
> work with a product backlog containing more than 400 tickets on 15
> components, using the drag and drop to sort all this is almost
> impossible.

We removed automatic backlog sorting because it was flawed in some areas
and confused many users:
1. "default sorting" and manual drag&drop interact in strange ways,
it's impossible to find out automatically which one should have
preference...
2. In the new backlog you can drag&drop containers with all items below
them so there should be less items to drag.

Also from a Lean point of view there is a maximum number of items that
make sense in a backlog. Usually you have only user stories for the next
1-2 sprints and containers (requirements, MMF, themes) for the next
release or two (depending on your setting).

The backlog should be a tool, not an ever-growing ticket-storage. Keep
it managable. :-)

fs

[nescha]

You should remove from Help all feature descriptions that aren't present any more. I lost an hour trying to find "Calculate" button. There are many hours lost because of this and this ain't good scrum practice ;)

[Martin Häcker]

Hi Nescha,

Am 18.03.11 16:30, schrieb nescha:

> You should remove from Help all feature descriptions that aren't present
> any more. I lost an hour trying to find "Calculate" button. There are
> many hours lost because of this and this ain't good scrum practice ;)

Indeed removing that reference seems like a plausible response. :)

Can you give me the exact location where you still found the reference?
I'll remove it ASAP then.

Regards,
Martin

[nescha]

/agilo-help/user/team

[Martin Häcker]

Am 25.03.11 12:56, schrieb nescha:
> /agilo-help/user/team <http://localhost:8000/agilo-help/user/team>
>

[x] done.

Thanks!