Alternative game to teach empiricism other than the Ball Point Game
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William Webster
Feb 12, 2019, 9:55:36 AM2/12/19
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Hi All,
Looking for a game to run similar to the Ball Point Game.
Learning objectives: Empirical Process Control / Familiarly with Scrum events a bonus
Time: 30 mins or less
Group size: 12-16
Any suggestions? Thought about the Penny Game but using the Ping Pong Game to teach about flow / resource utilisation later on.
Any suggestions appreciated.
Will W
Mark Levison
Feb 12, 2019, 3:33:26 PM2/12/19
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William - can you give us context?
Also why not the Ball Point Game? (Not seeking to convince but until I understand why not I can't tell what to replace with. :-)
Cheers
Mark
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William Webster
Feb 12, 2019, 5:27:42 PM2/12/19
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Hi Mark,
We are running a course and the learning objective is to practise empiricialism. Comes after a section about adatptive planning and before an overview of Scrum.
We have used the ball point game on a previous course and it was well recieved but there are a few attendees coming to both courses, so we are looking for something new to freshesh up the course for them.
Perhaps a variant of the ball point game with a different focus? But not scaling.
Will W
Yves Hanoulle
Feb 12, 2019, 5:31:09 PM2/12/19
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in the https://leanpub.com/TheScalingBallGame/ e-book, we collected all versions of the ball point game that I'm aware of
orginal bal point game
like 1 ball version
scaling ball game
devops bal point game
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George Dinwiddie
Feb 12, 2019, 5:47:38 PM2/12/19
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Will,
On 2/12/19 5:27 PM, 'William Webster' via AgileGames wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> We are running a course and the learning objective is to practise empiricialism. Comes after a section about adatptive planning and before an overview of Scrum.
Have you considered the Human Knot?
>
> We have used the ball point game on a previous course and it was well recieved but there are a few attendees coming to both courses, so we are looking for something new to freshesh up the course for them.
>
> Perhaps a variant of the ball point game with a different focus? But not scaling.
>
> Will W
>
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On 2/12/19 5:27 PM, 'William Webster' via AgileGames wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> We are running a course and the learning objective is to practise empiricialism. Comes after a section about adatptive planning and before an overview of Scrum.
>
> We have used the ball point game on a previous course and it was well recieved but there are a few attendees coming to both courses, so we are looking for something new to freshesh up the course for them.
>
> Perhaps a variant of the ball point game with a different focus? But not scaling.
>
> Will W
>
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* George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com
Software Development http://www.idiacomputing.com
Consultant and Coach
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Simon JAILLAIS
Feb 12, 2019, 7:42:54 PM2/12/19
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I would like to propose you
“Supersonic ball”, one of my simple and favorite game.
1 ball, 1 system, entry point and exit is the same person.
Simple rule: ball needs to move and must be in contact with all the participants, always following the same order.
You can ask participants to create a circle and you time. This will be your first iteration.
You save the time on a white board.
You let them inspect and adapt. Then Iteration #2-3-4
Follow kind of the same workflow as the Penny Game.
Team can manage to do it in less than 2 seconds. You can discuss about many topics (systemic, prototyping, co ownership)
What is nice is that with 1 ball you save a lot of space in your luggage.
Enjoy!
If you want more info (Solution?), please let me know.
Greetings from Singapore,
Simon
Envoyé de mon iPhone
“Supersonic ball”, one of my simple and favorite game.
1 ball, 1 system, entry point and exit is the same person.
Simple rule: ball needs to move and must be in contact with all the participants, always following the same order.
You can ask participants to create a circle and you time. This will be your first iteration.
You save the time on a white board.
You let them inspect and adapt. Then Iteration #2-3-4
Follow kind of the same workflow as the Penny Game.
Team can manage to do it in less than 2 seconds. You can discuss about many topics (systemic, prototyping, co ownership)
What is nice is that with 1 ball you save a lot of space in your luggage.
Enjoy!
If you want more info (Solution?), please let me know.
Greetings from Singapore,
Simon
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Oluf Nissen
Feb 13, 2019, 12:42:16 PM2/13/19
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You might be able to have the repeat attendees play "impediment roles" - block handoffs in creative ways, especially early on. That way you can still use the same game, and the previous attendees get something different out of it.
-Oluf
Yves Hanoulle
Feb 13, 2019, 4:39:11 PM2/13/19
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You might be able to have the repeat attendees play "impediment roles" - block handoffs in creative ways, especially early on. That way you can still use the same game, and the previous attendees get something different out of it.
in the scaling version of the ball game, we have explained lots of different creative impediments for one or more teams.
they don't have to be explained like scaling.
they also include ideas like specialist (that can only handle one color ball etc etc)
-Oluf--On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 2:27 PM 'William Webster' via AgileGames <agile...@googlegroups.com> wrote:Hi Mark,
We are running a course and the learning objective is to practise empiricialism. Comes after a section about adatptive planning and before an overview of Scrum.
We have used the ball point game on a previous course and it was well recieved but there are a few attendees coming to both courses, so we are looking for something new to freshesh up the course for them.
Perhaps a variant of the ball point game with a different focus? But not scaling.
Will W
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William Webster
Feb 15, 2019, 9:50:28 AM2/15/19
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Thanks for the feedback.
I'll take a look at the suggestions in the book. We where thinking of having those who have done the excerise before play the role of Scrum Master.
The Human Knot sounds like a fun game but you'd have to find a way to tie it back to empiricism.
Will W
Yves Hanoulle
Feb 15, 2019, 9:55:21 AM2/15/19
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just for you info, you can play the balpoint game many times, you can't screw it up with more knowledge
just as a team mameber who has worked agile before, doesn't stop the learning for others
the others learn faster and the person who already knows, learns deeper
I played the ball point game many times, I learned something everytime
even the times after I had facilitated the game myself
when someone plays again it's even important to tell them, don't withhold information, teach what you know
y
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George Dinwiddie
Feb 15, 2019, 2:19:18 PM2/15/19
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Will
On 2/15/19 9:50 AM, 'William Webster' via AgileGames wrote:
> The Human Knot sounds like a fun game but you'd have to find a way to tie it back to empiricism.
You can run two trials, one with a "manager" directing people how to
move to untangle the knot, and a second one where people figure it out
empirically.
Also, some versions have very specific rules on how to form the know.
Jerry Weinberg taught me a very simple way. Everyone moves in very close
to each other, holding out their hands but not touching. They close
their eyes, and then grab two hands. You may end up with one or more
circles, but that's OK.
- George
On 2/15/19 9:50 AM, 'William Webster' via AgileGames wrote:
> The Human Knot sounds like a fun game but you'd have to find a way to tie it back to empiricism.
move to untangle the knot, and a second one where people figure it out
empirically.
Also, some versions have very specific rules on how to form the know.
Jerry Weinberg taught me a very simple way. Everyone moves in very close
to each other, holding out their hands but not touching. They close
their eyes, and then grab two hands. You may end up with one or more
circles, but that's OK.
- George
William Webster
Feb 15, 2019, 8:38:40 PM2/15/19
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Great feedback. Thanks all.
Love the idea of having people be active impediments during the ball point game - might make it interesting and simulate a real complex system
The manger vs self organisation of the human knot game sounds like they are work exploring also. Very glad I found this Google Group. Thanks for sharing your ideas and knowledge.
Will W
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