Systems Thinking and Perspective Taking games online

[Mark Levison]

I'm attempting to introduce the rudiments of system's thinking to a group of Execs, Managers and Doers in a few weeks. I would like to find a game that I can use to get the ball rolling with respect the core concept:

- problems don't exist in isolation

- work isn't just have a series of parts

I've gone through my well used System's Thinking Playbook (can we say a kindle edition is dog eared). There are two games I can see working well for this purpose:

- Circles in the Air (from the playbook)

- The Ballpoint game with a debrief focused on the system (inspired by Jeff Kosciejew - https://www.slideshare.net/JeffKosciejew/systems-thinking-with-the-ball-point-game-ab-2019)

(adapting the ball point game to virtual - either Pierre's approach: https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_lRWr5YQ=/ or https://www.tastycupcakes.org/2020/04/ball-point-wfh-game/)

What have you tried? What worked? What will blow up in my face?

Cheers

Mark

[Pierre Neis]

Hey Mark

The ball point game is more a flow game than a system's thinking game.

I would recommend to take a look at Constellation Games or the Sociogramme Game

Inspirations : https://www.youtube.com/c/Play14Org/videos

I tried a lot of games and now I combined games together in one big story line. For example, for a leadership training for Hotel Executives, the whole training was a sequence of 17 games each of it addressing a specific lesson to learn.

Another great game that I use a lot is Draw how to make toast http://www.drawtoast.com.

or https://www.tastycupcakes.org/2012/12/take-the-win-win-wave/

Hope it helps

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[Scharlau, Dr Bruce A.]

Pierre,

 

I like the win win game. That sounds useful and I think I can see where I might use it.

 

Based on comments and suggestions from Ellen Grove I use ‘draw rice’ instead of toast as it’s more culturally inclusive – not everyone has toast, but everyone does rice. This makes the question ‘how do you cook rice?’ and works very well in multicultural situations. This is also how I learned some people add spice to their rice cooking. Who knew?

 

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[Pierre Neis]

Hi Bruce

Good point, Draw what (your thing) is helping.

When I facilitated it in front of 150 SAP Experts, I started with the toast as a warm up. In the afternoon, I was happy to see teams working on (Draw my supply chain), (Draw my P2P), etc...

For Executive committees in an M&A context, I change the wording enhancing it with clean questions:

- and what kind of M&A is your M&A? 

• 1. draw it
• 2. then use stickies
• 3. then collectively
• 4. Then ask: when it runs at its best, it's running like what?
• 5. Please sort your cards in Who? What? and Where?
• 6. Can we cadence it? (It runs at its best at the end of this year, and then roll back till now)
• 7. Who is needed: we, our teams, our experts, our vendors (sociogramme)
• 8. Picture the whole: vision, early strategy (roadmap), sociogramme

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[Mark Levison]

@Pierre Neis and @Bruce thanks for the responses

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 2:14 AM Pierre Neis <pierr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Mark

The ball point game is more a flow game than a system's thinking game.

Yes I would agree, I reached because I had gotten stuck/fixated and I knew it.

I would recommend to take a look at Constellation Games or the Sociogramme Game

Constellation - don't know it. Like this: https://www.benlinders.com/2019/constellation-retrospective-exercises/

Sociogramme - another new one - is that: https://sociogramcreator.com but turned into a game?

Inspirations : https://www.youtube.com/c/Play14Org/videos

I tried a lot of games and now I combined games together in one big story line. For example, for a leadership training for Hotel Executives, the whole training was a sequence of 17 games each of it addressing a specific lesson to learn.

That is effectively where I'm going in the long run

Another great game that I use a lot is Draw how to make toast http://www.drawtoast.com.

That's the one that I had totally forgotten inspite of the fact I used it ~1 mth ago. Doh.

@Bruce Cooking rice is an interesting change. I will add it to the mix to try.

or https://www.tastycupcakes.org/2012/12/take-the-win-win-wave/

Interesting, I just added this to Obsidian vault to remember for another time

Cheers

Mark

[George Dinwiddie]

Mark,

I don't have a game to recommend, but I think I would lead the creation
of a Diagram of Effects. I would try to discover multiple feedback loops
so that people can grasp the complexity.

If you want to explore that with me, we (and others here) could try it
out virtually and see how it goes.

- George

On 3/10/22 11:31 AM, Mark Levison wrote:
> I'm attempting to introduce the rudiments of system's thinking to a
> group of Execs, Managers and Doers in a few weeks. I would like to find
> a game that I can use to get the ball rolling with respect the core concept:
> - problems don't exist in isolation
> - work isn't just have a series of parts
>
> I've gone through my well used System's Thinking Playbook (can we say a
> kindle edition is dog eared). There are two games I can see working well
> for this purpose:
> - Circles in the Air (from the playbook)
> - The Ballpoint game with a debrief focused on the system (inspired
> by Jeff Kosciejew -
> https://www.slideshare.net/JeffKosciejew/systems-thinking-with-the-ball-point-game-ab-2019

> <https://www.slideshare.net/JeffKosciejew/systems-thinking-with-the-ball-point-game-ab-2019>)

> (adapting the ball point game to virtual - either Pierre's approach:
> https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_lRWr5YQ=/

> <https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_lRWr5YQ=/> or
> https://www.tastycupcakes.org/2020/04/ball-point-wfh-game/
> <https://www.tastycupcakes.org/2020/04/ball-point-wfh-game/>)

>
> What have you tried? What worked? What will blow up in my face?
>
> Cheers
> Mark

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[Simon JAILLAIS]

Hi There,

I love the Systemic triangle. Works so well face to face and remote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE9XdaI56qw

Remote, I ask participants to write their names on post it on their preferred platform and use the post it instead of their body (face to face).

Let me know what you think,

Simon

Cheers from Brittany

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[Pierre Neis]

Excellent Simon 

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