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borys....@gmail.com

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Feb 13, 2007, 7:53:54 AM2/13/07
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Accordingly to Steve McConnal, certification is something that shows
that branch is already mature enough to have well recognized
specialists. I think we have at least one in our group ;)

"New York, Sep. 05, 2006 - Luxoft, Russia's leading provider of end-to-
end information technology services and solutions, announced today
that Askhat Urazbaev, an Agile project manager in its Moscow
development center, has received certification as a ScrumMaster to
manage Agile projects in SCRUM methodology. Certification for Agile is
new, but is gaining traction as the use of Agile methodology expands,
according to industry analysts."

(from http://www.luxoft.com/press/press_release_article.html?id=610)

So, my appeal is could you provide useful link where everybody can see
the order of cerification and some learning program.
Questions:
- What is SCRUM certification?
- What is Agile methodology certification?
- Do we have certification center somewhere in Ukraine?

regards,
Borys L.

Alexey Krivitsky

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Feb 13, 2007, 8:16:33 AM2/13/07
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Hi Borys,

Askhat Urazbaev is actually a member of this group. Maybe he can tell more.

Links:
This is description of ScrumMaster Certification Course:
http://www.controlchaos.com/certification/course.php

Certified Scrum Product Owner Course:
http://www.controlchaos.com/certification/cspo.php

Certified Scrum Trainer (CST):
http://www.scrumalliance.org/view/cst_process

Here you can find the list of upcoming courses:
http://www.scrumalliance.org/courses.

As far as I know, there are no trainers available in Ukraine (yet).
The nearest courses happening are in Poland and in Russia.
Jeff Sutherland is going to make the first one in Russia 1-2 March.
More on this here:
http://agilerussia.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=33

// Alexey

mvi...@gmail.com

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Feb 13, 2007, 8:44:18 AM2/13/07
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Hi all,

My name is Michael Vizdos and I am a Certified Scrum Trainer. I am
interested in conducting courses in the Ukraine (and other locations
near there). If you are interested in discussing options to organize
a course (or a series of courses there), please contact me off-list or
we can start a new thread here.

I submitted a paper for the conference in Moscow but, due to the large
number of submissions, I was turned down. I successfully present a
workshop called, "Scrum in the Real World" at conferences and in
private sessions.

In addition, I do want to add one more resource:

www.implementingscrum.com

It is a cartoon-based blog that addresses issues related to
implementing Scrum at various locations. If people are interested in
translating any of the text for me, please let me know off-list.

Thank you!

- mike vizdos
www.michaelvizdos.com/scrum
www.implementingscrum.com


On Feb 13, 7:53 am, borys.leb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Accordingly to Steve McConnal, certification is something that shows
> that branch is already mature enough to have well recognized
> specialists. I think we have at least one in our group ;)
>
> "New York, Sep. 05, 2006 - Luxoft, Russia's leading provider of end-to-
> end information technology services and solutions, announced today
> that Askhat Urazbaev, an Agile project manager in its Moscow
> development center, has received certification as a ScrumMaster to
> manage Agile projects in SCRUM methodology. Certification for Agile is
> new, but is gaining traction as the use of Agile methodology expands,
> according to industry analysts."
>

> (fromhttp://www.luxoft.com/press/press_release_article.html?id=610)

Vasiliy Keretsman

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Feb 16, 2007, 5:58:01 AM2/16/07
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Hi!


May be interesting. It seems there are different opinions regarding
Agile Certifications (CSM etc).
Agile Certification Debate Heats Up

http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/02/agile-certification-debate

Vasya


On Feb 13, 2:53 pm, borys.leb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Accordingly to Steve McConnal, certification is something that shows
> that branch is already mature enough to have well recognized
> specialists. I think we have at least one in our group ;)
>
> "New York, Sep. 05, 2006 - Luxoft, Russia's leading provider of end-to-
> end information technology services and solutions, announced today
> that Askhat Urazbaev, an Agile project manager in its Moscow
> development center, has received certification as a ScrumMaster to
> manage Agile projects in SCRUM methodology. Certification for Agile is
> new, but is gaining traction as the use of Agile methodology expands,
> according to industry analysts."
>

> (fromhttp://www.luxoft.com/press/press_release_article.html?id=610)

Alexey Krivitsky

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Feb 16, 2007, 6:29:47 AM2/16/07
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Thanks Vasiliy.

It is quite interesting and is aligned with my vision.
CSM course (which I never did yet, so what I know comes from the 3rd hands):

- you will certainly pass the certification - only if you're absent 2
days out of 2 days, you won't get it

- being a CSM doesn't absolutely mean you are a good CSM (Ken Schwaber
in his book "Agile Project Management with Scrum" provides examples
from his experience when a newly-made CSM was not capable of filling
his position properly...

- to become a certified trainer seems is much harder and implies you
really have the right
experience and understanding

Maybe Michael can give his vision on CSM as he is a trainer conducting
this kind of courses.

Michael, the guys who leave your course holding their CSM medals, are
they 100% capable of doing Scrum? Do you have any doubts in them?
Did you ever not give CSM to anybody who attended your course but was
really not good enough?

Thanks!
Alexey

Michael Vizdos

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Feb 16, 2007, 10:02:09 AM2/16/07
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Hi all,

The main purpose of the class is not to identify people who "get it"
or are even capable of leaving the two days with the ability to start
running a Scrum team. The main purpose is to have face-to-face
communication with people who are taking the class, see that the
basics are provided (all trainers follow a set of guidelines), and
that is really it.

I will not "certify" people who bang away at email all day (or are
leaving the room to talk on their phones). I want and expect people
to be engaged and active during the two days.

I would say that most people I have taught do not "get it" leaving the
course. As frustrating as that is, one of the other paths to consider
after becoming a CSM is to become a Practitioner and then a Trainer,
which have more stringent requirements.

I do think the industry and overall agile community will self-police
this and it will continue to inspect and adapt, which I see as a great
thing overall.

I am totally open and honest about this during my sessions. One thing
I can say is that people do understand the basics and have a level-set
of the basics and I do warn people not to go "uuber religious Scrum"
when they return to their real world environments or they may [will]
be rejected immediately.

- mike
www.michaelvizdos.com
www.implementingscrum.com

These are my personal opinions only!!!!

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