What date are we working to on the notes and the Agile Procurement Manifesto?
doug forbes
Harry Harrold
> Silence or momentum?
The deadline I have down is the 2nd of April, for the CIO council.
Next action from the meeting is for James to set up a wiki to argue out
the manifesto - but he's probably still in Brussels mode.
So, simply to evidence our discussion, my notes say:
"Agile procurement is...
- Asking for a solution, not prescribing an approach.
- Defining and delivering value asap.
- Being clear, responsive but ruthless about features.
- Taking innovation as the default, whilst being clear about risk.
- Losing features not slipping delivery dates if in doubt.
- Recognising that agile procurement won't be right for every project,
and only using it when it's appropriate.
- Beginning dialogue with the market early in the process.
(Closely inspired by the principles behind the Agile Software
Development manifesto at http://www.agilemanifesto.org/principles.html)"
Not ordered, doesn't incorporate anything from Doug's document yet, but
a starter...
I think Mark O'Neil's big question was:
"How do I order a pound of innovation?"
I think Harrym's next question was:
"How do we find folk, how do we pay them?"
I think Doug's next question was:
"Who's going to actually build a Dynamic Procurement system so we can
actually use it, because it's there in law and it could solve some of
this stuff?"
All those probably deserve their own thread/wiki page(s) - and, come to
that, confirmation that my notes about them are accurate.
Harry
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James Darling
Next action from the meeting is for James to set up a wiki to argue out
the manifesto - but he's probably still in Brussels mode.
James Darling
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http://agileprocurement.coupde.com/index.php?title=Agile_Procurement_Manifesto
Erm.. go!
Harry Harrold
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> http://agileprocurement.coupde.com/index.php?title=Agile_Procurement_Manifesto
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> Erm.. go!
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Well, I've corrected a spelling mistake (in my own words, dammit...) and
put up some (probably egg-sucking) thoughts on a couple of pages.
What's next?
doug forbes
Mark is taking this to the CIO meeting on the 2nd.
However, the DIUS view seems to be that this is an informal group which will
start to gather views in order to start to consider what is required.
The CBI and NCVO have published their concerns. IDeA research shows
voluntary sector disengagement. The views and problems are well documented.
Shouldn't the outcome of this be solutions?
So don't we need a plan with agreed objectives? Some extracts from the paper
I presented would also add value.
Regards
Doug Forbes BSc hons DMS MIoCP,
Director,
Barony Consulting Group Limited
88 Windsor Court, Chase Side, Southgate,
London N14 5HS Tel; 020 8886 2462
doug....@baronyconsulting.com
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Shouldn't the outcome of this be solutions?
So don't we need a plan with agreed objectives?
doug forbes
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Doug Forbes BSc hons DMS MIoCP,
Director,
Barony Consulting Group Limited
88 Windsor Court, Chase Side, Southgate,
London N14 5HS Tel; 020 8886 2462
www.baronyconsulting.com; www.commissioning.org.uk; www.iocp.co.uk
Company Number : 4061615
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Procurement Manifesto?
Shouldn't the outcome of this be solutions?
The solution, in regards to this group, is to create an Agile Procurement Manifesto.
Well they’ll say we do all of that now. We’re bound by EU regs and follow them meticulously. The words long grass come to mind.
What is a manifesto without getting the vote? After you do the manifesto, there’s a long campaign in order to win. Making the running and fending off the opposition is part of the plan.
So don't we need a plan with agreed objectives?
We have had agreed objectives (well, a plan of attack) since my first email. The key is to stick to them.
I’m think I know what we are attacking. How will we know if we’ve won?
I heard that the lifespan of a CS Commercial Director is about 3 years. Only one survivor. I wont comment on the implications of that except those appointed were not naïve.
If some of the people who took notes of the manifesto so far would like to meet up so we can push them onto the wiki, do let me know. Something informal (pub + wifi), and the agenda will be the manifesto and nothing else.
When are you around?
PS How public are these emails and are they sent round all members?
StephGray
From the points we agree, there may emerge other projects and pilots,
but let's get the points discussed and agreed first.
Steph
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> Doug Forbes BSc hons DMS MIoCP,
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> Barony Consulting Group Limited
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> 88 Windsor Court, Chase Side, Southgate,
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> London N14 5HS Tel; 020 8886 2462
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> <http://www.baronyconsulting.com>www.baronyconsulting.com;
> <http://www.commissioning.org.uk>www.commissioning.org.uk;
> <http://www.iocp.co.uk>www.iocp.co.uk
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