Surely this thought ought to capture the conscience of sinners such that they would restrain their sinning! Furthermore, this thought ought to drive any sinner to run to Christ and be saved! And surely this thought must drive every believer to humble yet glad praise for our Redeemer who took all of our sin to himself and paid its price in full, absorbing the full wrath of God in our place in order to make us his.
To be the chief of sinners merely means that the only comparison I should be making to determine sinfulness is one: between myself and Christ. And finding the worst sinner between me and Jesus is kind of a no-brainer.
1 Day of judgment! Day of wonders!
Hark! the trumpet's awful sound,
louder than a thousand thunders,
shakes the vast creation round.
How the summons
will the sinner's heart confound!
John Newton (PHH 462) wrote this text during "the most of two days" in 1774, and it was published in the Olney Hymns (1779). The Psalter Hymnal includes the original stanzas 1-3 and 6. Newton's text borrows phrases and concepts from the thirteenth-century Latin sequence "Dies irae, dies illa," which has sometimes been attributed to Thomas of Celano (without specific evidence), a friend of Francis of Assisi. The "Dies irae" became part of the Roman Catholic Requiem Mass and was often included in dramatic musical settings that emphasized the judgment of sinners. Many of the various popular English translations of that ancient Latin text begin with the words, "Day of wrath, O day of mourning."
Although the "Dies irae" holds out judgment for the unrepentant sinner, it also contains prayers for mercy for the believer. Newton clearly announces the judgment of God on sin and sinners in his hymn text (st. 1, 3), but he also transforms the original prayers for mercy into comforting words of assurance for believers in Christ (st. 2, 4). The text concludes with a paraphrase of Jesus' words in Matthew 25:34, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world."
Sin brings people into bondage and misery. It also causes harm to others. Am I not supposed to hate it when a man abuses his child, or when a person is overcome by addiction, or when believers tear each other down? Sin is an oppressor and I do hate it. I hate it because I love God but also because I love sinners.
Does bobody here understand that we ourselves are sinners in our own selves and only God dealt with sins firever?.
He made us rightious by faith in christ who took away the debt of failing the commands of law and smeared away the commands to do the law so we are dead to law abd so dead to sin and now under grace free to delight in our weaknesses? And even thank God for the weaknesses which are not sin for sin is trangression of law but where there is no law there is no trangression and seeing jesus abolished those commabds in his own flesh then there is no law abd no sin
But sin is whatever is not of faith so you jusge yourselves by law but why you dead to those things christ ended them once in death
By the way thats true translation of that passage
So on the basus of what now ashaned?
Its gone there us no law command shaming you accusing you aynmore
Christianity is not about what is fair. It is about what is righteous, as spelled out crystal clear by Jesus. If you think the waters of righteousness have been muddy by hipocracy, of christians than please do point it out! Unlike the world we will repent and strive for a higher standard. I honestly do believe that homosexuality is a grave sin though, and I will continue to LOVE the sinner and hate the sin. Just as Jesus does! (See Rev. 2:6).
My view on this one is to follow the example of Jesus in how he dwelt with the woman caught in the sin of adultery he addressed the sin issue that was the trap set by the pharisees.Jesus protected her from those stoning showing us his love and compassion for all sinners.He didnt condemn her for her sin as he knew all of us are sinners he without sin cast the first stone.He said to the woman do they condemn you and she said no and he said neither do i and then told her go and sin no more.Its the same with any sin it needs to addressed it doesnt mean you dont love the person.brentnz
Jeremy i am surprised you never countered my argument Up till now the above view has been my understanding however things change when the holy spirit speaks.He amazes me because its always new never old and it reveals why we often misunderstand scripture in the case of the woman caught in adultery.We see how she was condemned to die and by the grace of God Jesus came to her rescue that seems familar to all of us then when they were alone he said to her Go and sin no more.This is the point we misunderstand prior to there meeting it was all about her death when she encountered Jesus something incredible happened he turned a death situation into life situation so from our background as sinners we still in our thinking and understanding dwell in the darkness our minds are closed to the truth.In effect what Jesus was saying to her and us is chose life and dont look back that is what he meant and that is the walk we need to live for him.That to me was a revelation it was always there but hidden.Does it change that we need discipline in the church that we need rules and guidelines for our actions no we still need those things.But does it change how we view non believers and even ourselves definitely its not about sin but its all about choosing life and living.He also revealed some other interesting things on salvation so i might mention those on the once saved always saved discussion.Jeremy just want to say i really appreciate your website because i have not really discussed issues like this and it really is making me press in to the Lord for answers to some of those really difficult questions.regards brentnz
We must never make light of sin whether it is our own or the sins of others, including unbelievers, and we are not to condemn sin in others because we too are sinners: but if people flaunt their sin by making an issue of it, then we who know the price of redemption must make a stand for God and his condemnation of sin, including homosexuality.
Love the sinner, hate the sin is good in concept and can be gleaned from scripture. However, there is no verse that explicitly states. Love the sinner who routinely violates any sin described in scripture. Hate the sin because God hates sin. Our love for God should overcome our bias regarding particular sins. If not, then it is probably fair to say we need to examine ourselves. Certain sins (proclivities) are attached to each of us. And some more than others. It is another way for us to realize we can not live this life under our own power. And it should keep us humble. We need the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome these sins and cleanse us so we can live a life that is holy and acceptable unto God.
While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. He did not start loving us completely when we started sinning less. NO! God loves us completely despite our sin. Then it is that love that draws us to Him.
My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
Can you perceive the judgement in this? This Pharisee judged the woman calling her a sinner. We do not know what she had done, but it was apparently known to the Pharisee and he was critical and judgemental of the woman. He did not recognise that regardless of what she had done in the past, she was doing a beautiful thing for the Lord, and he had essentially dismissed the woman as a lost cause because of her past. He could not see beyond the fact that she was a sinner and therefore unworthy, worthless and a lost cause.
This Pharisee also lacked faith. He judged Jesus saying to himself that if he were a prophet he would know this woman was a sinner. Presumably on that basis he possibly thought that Jesus should have rejected her.
Certainly if a person takes part in their sins they will be tainted, but how can a sinner be brought to God unless a righteous person deals with them? How could Jesus preach to the sinners without going amongst them?
The position of the Pharisee was that you should separate yourself from sinners and have little to do with them. This is both judgement and prejudice of the worst kind and Jesus showed the Pharisee the errors of his thinking.
She knew she was a sinner and did not need the Pharisee or anyone else to pass judgement on her for she knew herself. It was because she was a sinner and that she recognised the goodness of Jesus that when she was in his presence she wept. She knew that she was a failure because of her sin, but in her weeping she recognised that failure and came to the Lord repentant as her attitude showed.
We have been called to learn how to be like Jesus. We have been called to learn the ways of righteousness and peace, not judgement and condemnation. The power of the Lord that has been given to us is the power to build up, not to destroy and tear down. We do not have the right to judge others but instead to help them to come to the Lord. Jesus came to call the sinners, not the righteous and if we are self-righteous like the Pharisee in this teaching, we cannot do the work of the Lord for the only true righteousness comes from God.
Judgement, prejudice and bias are not of God. When you are amongst people who are yet to see the light you need to conduct yourself as Christ would have done. And when you are not amongst them, pray for them for the Lord may see fit to have mercy on them and call them to himself. Like the woman who was a sinner, we do not know the heart of other people nor how the Lord is working in their lives.
In support, if it is merely implied that creation is nature and has been put into bondage by the sin of Adam and groans to have sinners and sin to be taken out of it, this is a personification of nature that seems to be supported by the Bible and may be true.
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