HU Tag Substitute

[Oscar's Race Results]

Has anybody found a cheaper substitute for HU Tags?

[Christian C.]

I have some of these on order to test, should be here next week.

http://www.chafontech.com/rfid-tags/rfid-sports-tag/uhf-abs-race-timing-chip-for-triathlon-timing.html

2$ ea.

I will report back how well they are made an how well they work.

[Christopher Regan]

Nice! 

I just ordered 2 mat antennas from Chafon that should be here tomorrow. Then I need to test them.

[Oscar's Race Results]

Thanks, Christian!

  Mr. No Caution here sprung for 100 of them before seeing a test batch size of 5 was available.   

  Could not get that link to work so I went to AliExpress.

[Tim Irvine]

Christopher, how much were two antenna mats?

[Christopher Regan]

Tim, 2 mats and shipping came to $819

[John Kirby]

http://www.tadbik.com/media/pdfs/RFID/RFID_CATALOG_2017.pdf

Just saw this, disposable triathlon band. 

[Oscar's Race Results]

Organizers love these disposable bands, as they are a great "cure" to the headache of chip collection after a race. Organizers rent out most of the shoe lace chips or ankle straps, which means they have to collect it back at the end of the race. This takes time and results in many lost chips, as participants forget to return them. Organizers need to panelize participants for their lost inventory and that's time consuming and unfortunate for both sides. Moreover, organizers need to sanitize the chips for future use and this is a task they will gladly abandon if they could.

Tadbik's disposable bands are affordable (cost $0.85-$0.65 depending on quantity), customizable- both on the band graphics and the encoding and printing on the foam timing tag. Standard inlay used is the SMARTRAC ShortDipole Monza 5 but inlay can vary upon demand. Minimum order quantity for standard graphics bands is 3,000 pieces.

About Tadbik Group: 

Oscar Writing now:    Picked this off Googling Tadbik Triathlon tags so at least the disposables are reasonable (with a group order).  They look like a short ChronoTrack disposable.   Did not keep looking to find price of ankle tags.

[Christopher Regan]

Chafon mats came today with a couple 'hutag' samples. Now to find time to test.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2RP1q61gUN3GYkbJ2

[Tim Irvine]

Hey Christopher, Looking forward to your results. If you find them to miss a few, the length of those cables might come into play. Those are pretty long. Set up your mats, measure out the exact length you'll need, add a foot and there you go. 

[Tim Irvine]

Oh and is that two antennas? 1 per mat?

[Christopher Regan]

Yes Tim, 1 antenna per mat. Will try to test on Saturday and provide results.

Christopher

[Tim Irvine]

My friend Patrick and his wife just did the Great Wall Marathon. Looks like they are using those mats too.

[Christopher Regan]

Well that makes me fell better they'll work :) I'll also have 2 antenna on the sides.

[Mix Sport - Brazil SP]

Could someone tell me the value of this ground antenna and where do I buy it?

[Christopher Regan]

Mix Sport - Brazil SP I bought them from Chafon in China (chafon.com)

No. Name and Type Quantity Unit Price Amount

1 floor mat                 2 pieces USD279.00 USD558.00

Freigh to USt:                                         USD261.00

TOTAL AMOUNT:                         USD819.00

[Hronometar]

Tim, this looks like RFID Race Timing Systems' mats:

• https://rfidtiming.com/product/v4-antenna-mat-fixed-cable-copy/
  
• https://rfidtiming.com/2015/03/24/generation-4-timing-mats/
  
• https://rfidtiming.com/2017/01/15/v4-antenna-mats-receive-an-upgrade/
  

It is their v4 generation of mats. I have bought one system from them years ago before I started using ART and I got v3 mats with my purchase.

Christopher, have you had some chance to give them a test? I would like to hear how they perform during the race.

[Tim Irvine]

Yeah, Hronametar, RFIDTiming just sells other perople's mats, after they mark them up.

[Hronometar]

Tim, I don't think so. They have patented those v4 mats in 2015. At the beginning they were half red half black and at that time there were not those Chafon mats. There were older Chafon mats that were copy of their v3 mats. I had a chance to see them live. They looks similar but quality is something totally different - read rate, durability, precision of production, cable quality, material they are made, etc. Talking you from my experience.

[John Kirby]

I bought the RaceResults mat antennas, 8 sections for $3100 that includes shipping and they work great. I use them in 2 separate, 4 section mats. I use 2 dogbones, vertically on the back of bib, with 

They fold up and are very easy to handle, setup, take down. And I have had cars drive over them with no fear of damage, just watch RaceResults videos. I don't set them up and allow traffic to drive over them, but as we all know, there is always that jackass or 2 at a race that will do what you don't think they will.

You may see in the background that I also have a side antenna attached to a pvc pole, there are actually 2 antennas attached, one is just below the fencing and can't be seen.I have them spaced to focus on a bib on the chest and one for those on the leg. I have begun using this as a separate backup system, separate reader and laptop and have been having great success. The few misses I may get with the mats are caught by the side antennas. 

Weather permitting I will shoot an "Agee-type video of my setup this weekend at a small 5k I am timing, since I am a horrible typist and I just hate typing!!!!

[Edward Schrank]

John I have been considering the race results Mats as well. So you are using two lines and two tags and still getting misses? That doesn’t sound so good. Can you clarify?

[Tim Irvine]

It's certainly possible Chafon copied the mats from RFIDTiming. I was partly basing my statement off the other products RFIDTiming sells which they mark up, such as Hu Tags. But those mats might be their design.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/VANCH-UHF-RFID-Antenna-Sports-Timing_60528228263.html

As you can see, the antennas are very similar. I had it wrong though. I said Chafon. It was Alibaba.

[Ted Finch]

This topic seems to have migrated to floor mats.

For information I now have 4 of UHF RFID 12dbi floor mat antenna from Chafon. Size 1200mm x 500mm x 25mm

http://www.chafon.com/productdetails.aspx?pid=531 $940 for 4 plus carraige and taxes.

You can  just see 4 patches on the mat. Performance has been fine. We have used with side antenna too - just in case. On a wide line with a crowd you might get a miss. Using Hutags as usual ( to keep us on topic!) Chafon also sent sample "Hutag" Alien H3 and bib tags (Alien or Dogbone )too to test.

The Chafon Race Timing listing is here: http://www.chafon.com/solutiondetails.aspx?sid=120

Ted

{By the way Alibaba is just a market place.}

[Mick Davies]

Back to Hutags

I ordered 600 of these from Invelion a while back (after getting a trial pack) and range is similar to Hutag.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/860-960mhz-reusable-size-adjustable-long-range-waterproof-1-6m-UHF-rfid-wristband-for-triathlon-marathon/1159772_32778205292.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.1ebb77f3ImTHhi

They have a hard plastic case which I was concerned may break easily but they have been used for 6 off-road cycling events so have had a hard life and no breakages so far.

 

We team them up with these antenna:

http://invelion.net/productshow.php?cid=13&id=76

Keeping our finish line to about 4metres gave similar (good) read rates to Hutags.

Customer service was excellent. I found it a bit difficult to work out their different pricing structures (mainly around freight options) but communication was always very prompt and I have been very pleased.

[Oscar's Race Results]

The 100 type HU tags I ordered from INNOD on Aliexpress on May 20 have not shipped and order expires tomorrow some time.  Did I not hold my mouth right or what?  The advertisement looks just like your Invelions.

Hard plastic:  Can you Sharpie on it and erase it if you want to match with another Bib later?  I have been experimenting with some silicone NFC bands and Sharpie comes almost completely off with a little rubbing.  

[Oscar's Race Results]

OK, got a simple message asking if I wanted wrist or ankle because strap length is different.   For an obstacle run, which would I want?

[JK Race Timing Systems]

Hi

If they are the same price id take a chance and go with the ankle. It is more like just a bit longer and can probably be cut back a small bit if you feel you made the wrong choice.

Clearly that choice would not be available to you the other way around.

Just my opinion

Best regards and please report back on the results of the test, I am very interested, the price is very attractive.

I have 150 Hutags in possession but at a cost of over 800 euro so you can see why I am interested ( and that is with no straps)

Best regards

JK

[Christian C.]

I was dealing with Miffy, the shipment took 1.5 weeks to process and get shipped out but it's supposed to be here tomorrow but she was always very responsive at answering any question.

[Mick Davies]

We got some waterproof labels printed but I've tried a marker pen on the plastic and it doesn't rub off easily.

[Ohio Race Day]

Try a "wet erase" marker and not a sharpie and not dry erase marker.

[Oscar's Race Results]

Tags came from China in about 2 days after I figured out what I thought was SPAM was them asking me if I wanted wrist or ankle straps.   Hope I don't get a bill for a round trip 747 flight because they thought I was in a hurry!!!   I thought I said wrist but it sure does fit better on my ankle.   Hmmmmm.

Strap is cloth and a little big for my wrist.  Wonder what they will look like after 5 sterilizations. Programmed with ThingMagic just fine and read across the room about like 9662 or Wonder Dog.    If all I paid was for the tag, strap and shipping then my net cost is $2.09 US each.  

Wish we had a standard test for readers, cables, antennas and tags that was representative of how they would do in a race. 

[Brian Agee]

Just throwing this out for consideration:

The strap can hold water, so if it were me, I would feed the strap through the back of the tag instead of over the top of it. This would also provide a little more cushion and space between the tag on the body. I'm not sure if HuTag has any official guidelines on this, but a quick Google image search shows the strap over the tag half the time, and under the tag the other half.

[Oscar's Race Results]

Duh!!!   Of course!   Was wondering how to write the number on it big enough to see but not on the cloth.  

Thanks one more time! 

[Ted Finch]

I have used HuTags for almost 3 years. We get 100% reads in road races and in very wet conditions such as OCR almost 100% - however misses are usually due to wet clothing worn over tags or tags left in the car park! We have in general used 4 side panel antenna with a FX9500 at the finish but now also have Chalfron mats.
We normally use the neoprene straps. As noted by Brian all the material goes behind the tag!

HuTag also sell Tyvek straps which if applied correctly work well. The only issue I have found is that the cut edge can be sharp if against bare skin.

HuTag also sell vwaterproof self adhesive labels that can be laser printed. These survive well both on runners and in the washing machine post muddy event.

HuTags read well on ankles but we find that anyone that put them on their arm is also recorded.

The cost may seem initially high but the benefits have been worth the investment. 

Ted

[Tim Irvine]

Brian is right about the strap. Hu Tag recommends you put the strap behind the tag. 

[Oscar's Race Results]

So I ordered Wet Erase markers which just came for my INNOD HU tags.   Wrote number on and tried to get it off with damp cloth like instructions said.  Barely phased it.  Time for big guns - Starter Fluid: nothing.   Then 91% isopropyl alcohol and it came right off, not even a trace left.  This will be a dandy way to get rid of those odd numbered bibs.

[Phil Cook]

I've been looking at the alternate HU tags but they look rather large and bulky, but I saw these, anyone tried them?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/UHF-PVC-RFID-wristband-tag-for_60586272142.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.467.6aa13ad2Vq5sR4

[Muddy Dog Sports]

This winter I got a bunch of Chafon tags and just now got a couple of HuTags for comparison purposes. Did a LOT of testing today. You can learn a lot about tag sensitivity if you have a Thinkify reader with the bumblebee antenna (which is polarized) and play around with it at 6% power in tag writing mode. With a polarized antenna a tag will read best in one orientation and read worse rotated 90 from that orientation. Interestingly, the HuTags and the Chafon tags are 90 degrees different from each other. 

The HuTags are more sensitive both in their best and worst orientations to the antenna. The best is about the same for both, but the worst orientation for the HuTag is quite a bit better than the worst for the Chafon tags. The HuTags are also a little smaller, so another win for the HuTags. In outdoor testing with real world antenna configurations the extra sensitivity of the HuTags was evident in that they would get more reads for any given antenna configuration. 

The big win for Chafon is price, plus they come with nice cushy neoprene straps. I don't want to go very far down the rabbit hole of antenna configurations, but suffice it to say that if you set up a read zone similiar to what Brian does in his training videos you should get a lot of reads from the Chafon tags and even more with the HuTags. With only a single mat the Chafon tags got sketchy while the HuTags had zero issues. The Chafon tags improved when I turned them 90 degrees, I'm curious how they would perform with a Chafon mat instead of my Race Results mat.

My only real-world experience so far with the Chafon tags was some indoor track with a robust side antenna setup on the inside of the track. We instructed the athletes to wear the tag facing towards the inside of the track where the antennas were. We used it for counting laps for the 5k (25 laps) and some other events with 100% reads. These were fast NCAA runners. Some people thought the tags were too bulky, some said they didn't even know they had it on, but everybody liked getting their splits. Final times were all within +/-  0.5 second of the offical meet times taken with FinishLynx and most were +/- 0.25 seconds. 

I've got some swimming events coming up this summer and thinking all will be well as long as there are some side antennas in the mix.

[Ted Finch]

Without extensive testing we can't be sure but I suspect that overall the Hutag performance will be best. 

My own experience is that Hutags give great performance even in trying conditions such as OCR, Ultras and Trail Races.

If price is an issue then perhaps a group purchase would get the unit price into the 1000s bracket rather than the 1s.

5 lots of 200 or 4 lots of 250 would get there and bring the net unit price down to $4.64 , €3.95

Ted

[Hronometar]

I am usually getting 100% read rate with HuTags. Last time that I got a missed it was in time I didn't have enough equipment for larger races. I am not using them so often as Ted does. Typically my RD want to use disposable tags but all lap races with splits on finish line I time with HuTags.

A few weeks ago we timed an OCR with HuTags and Tyvek wristbands. Much better solution that using neoprene straps and cleaning them after the race. On that race we got 100% on the first line with side antenna. A back up with RR mats were not necessarily. Here is a setup of that race.

Here is a setup of 6/12 hrs and 50/100 km races that were also timed with HuTags. The tags were worn on outside of left leg closer to side antennas. Any missed. There were around 65 participants and ART counting 2250+ splits. Results on ALR.

Edward from HuTags uses Teslin self-adhesive synthetic paper for his labels if anyone needs that info. Solution for that labels can be self-adhesive PVC foil but it is more thinner and you will spend more time for sticking them around a HuTag.

All my HuTags are version one with Monza 4. I guess that new ones with Monza R6 are more sensitive.

[Jörg Pe]

Can anyone tell me something about longevity of Hu-Tags? My understanding is that they don`t have a battery, right? So can I expect them to last "forever", as long as they don`t get get damaged?

[JK Race Timing Systems]

Hi Lads

Done my first ever Duathlon over the weekend using Hutags with Tyvek Bracelets bought off ebay( I had to double up as they are too short)

Anyway absolutely everything went right.

90 Duathletes and times for all splits captured perfectly.

Gap time set at 10 seconds althought I could have went up to 40 seconds comfortably.

Software performed perfectly and I was running an individual and Team race at the same time.

I was so Impressed with Brian's software and of the HUtags.

I did play safe and chipped the bibs with the cheapy non adhesive tags I got from China. I just stuck them on the back with a sticker and encoded them the same number as the TAG.

Couldn't have asked for a better result, The XC2 Tag is a lot more sensitive that the XC1

[Brian Agee]

Great!  I always try to remind people that 100% read rates really have nothing to do with the software, UHF has been around a long time and is well proven, so great read rates are more of a testament on how great of a job you (the end user) did on ensuring that you're using good equipment and that the tags are clearly seen by the antennas.  My job is simply to make sure the software easy and reliable. With that in mind, I am excited about the next update:

I am about to push out an update that has some HUGE performance and reliability improvements. The Division and Team results will process and load a LOT faster, the processing of chip start times is dramatically faster, and any other task that involves processing a lot of data at once (importing athletes, syncing athletes with RaceRoster, TFRRS, or RunSignUp, exporting csv files, etc.) will see a noticeable improvement in speed.

Every since moving to a SQLite database (because Microsoft deprecated SQLCE) I have not been happy with the reliability of the database, however I'm not aware of any other free and easily deployable database - and LOTS of big companies use SQLite. It seemed to randomly go into a "locked" state for a fraction of a second - and if a tag came in at that time an error message would pop up. Luckily only a few users reporting seeing any errors pop up during a race. When it did pop up, just click "Ok" and everything kept working just fine and the tag read was still saved, but seeing anything pop up during a race is obviously unnerving! I had it happen to me a few times, but of course I always use just about every feature the software offers at every race I time.

It was difficult to track down what he problem was. I found that it would occur when copying the database out to the shared folder at the same time a tag was read, this was fixed a few months ago. Then I found it would also lock up when a separate 'thread' was writing to the database when a new time was captured (tag read or space bar pressed) on the clock screen. Again, this was very rare unless you're consistently pushing out division results during a race (which most of you are not). You can replicate this error easily by opening the clock screen, selecting the option to print Division or Team results and then just hold the space bar to simulate a ton of reads coming in at the same time. This does not happen with the Overall results because that report simply queries the database (which can still occur with a 'locked' database). On this public group page I am trying not to give too much detail on exactly what all I changed, but I am very excited to say that I finally solved the problem and that the solution also resulted in everything running a lot faster - and everything should be more reliable with these changes.

I can hunt around and try to find old database, but do any of you have a large race that typically takes a while to load division or team results - or where it takes a long time to import the chip start times? If so, can you send it to me so that I can record a "before and after" video showing you the difference in performance?

[Brian Agee]

Thanks BlueRidge for the database. I have just started testing, and in the initial tests show that most tasks are AT LEAST 5X faster. :)    Some tasks (like importing chip start times) was 9X faster...

Here is the tasks that were performed and the time difference between the last update and this next update I will be releasing. This is with an i5 computer that has a SSD, so those with an older computer using a HDD will notice the biggest improvement in performance. The race we tested with had 690ish finishers and 922 registered participants.

• Importing chip start times captured on a separate computer:  3 seconds vs 26 seconds.
• Loading Division Results (bottom fill): 3 seconds vs 13.5 seconds
• Importing athletes from CSV: 5 seconds vs 28 seconds
• Pulling in athletes from RunSignUp or RaceRoster (Sync button): 10 seconds vs 27 seconds.

I pushed out an update to the "beta" folder early this morning for anyone that would like to test out the speed improvements in the next update. We think we found some things to make it even faster, and I want to continue to test before I officially release it, however those that want to try it out can download the update here: http://www.ageeracetiming.com/installers/beta/

I am super excited about this update. If anyone tests it, let me know what you find in your results...  Time for me to go take a cold shower! :)

[Brian Agee]

Oh, and to go back to the original version (if you desire) you'll need to manually uninstall the software and then re-install using the installer provided by the "Free Trial" button on my website. The license key and database will remain, so no worries there.

[Hronometar]

Hey Brian,

I think I have found a bug in 5.1.0085 version you have pushed as beta and as an official update. It is about deleting registration in Open Race page. If you delete any number of registrations in a race in Open Race page, it will decrease total number of registrations shown for that race in top left of the page. If you close the page and get back to that race in Open Race page, you will have the same number of registered athletes as you imported them. Well, deleting the registrations really doesn't do that. It wasn't a case with last version (5.1.0084) I was using last week.

I have found this bug when I was combining 5 races into one, and I got 5 of each registration. Each wave had 40 participants. I was deleting them in waves where they do not belong (1-40, 41-80, 81-120, 121-160, and 161-200), and after combining the races, I had 5 * 200 instead of 5 * 40 participants. :)

Congratulation for really visible improvements in speed!

[Brian Agee]

Wow, you are amazing at finding any bugs immediately and reporting them. You don't know how much I appreciate it!

Looks like I failed to "commit" a database transaction. I just pushed out an update that fixes it. I looked at every other 'transaction' that is declared in the software to double check that there are not any other places where the transaction is not committed. Thanks again!  I pushed out an update that fixes this. I will post on the 'software update' thread shortly to explain what all is in this update. We're still testing a few things to see if some database tweaks offer even more speed improvements, but the past week was mostly focused on just ensuring the speed/reliability of interacting with the database is as good as we can make it. Next week Justin and I are focused on adding a new reporting tool in that should make the reports load faster, give more export options (like HTML), and best of all allow users to design/modify their own reports - so adding your company logos or anything else should be possible soon. I will also be working on the interface with the new hardware that I've been teasing over the past couple of weeks.

I thought my Spring racing season was over but my head timer contacted me late last night and said he had an expected last minute change of plans and asked if I could cover his race this morning. It was a very small race that a friend was putting on so we did it for free. I used the new update at the race and everything went perfectly. I was able to run with my daughter in the kids mile. Thought I would share the photo. The guy on the left is the race director.

[Brian Agee]

I'm glad to see that you've tested it.   It's a night and day difference in speed isn't it! :)

[Patrick Wood]

I ordered a handful of these to try out.  Do you have any real world tests with them?

p

[Oscar's Race Results]

As of today, I have a real world test of the INNOD HU tags.  We put 23 on runners for an obstacle course.  To keep obstacle from being too crowded, we did a staggered start with groups of 4 about every 30 seconds using start capture.  Runners were circling past about 40 feet from readers so we were concerned.  Lowes only had 16" Reflectix last night and Home Depot only has it via online order and pickup.  Readers were picking up about 25' away so that is scary close.  

System got a net start on everybody with Finish and Start the same place.  Coming in the reads seemed to be slow but they got everybody.  Then tearing down, we noticed that antenna one at the S/F line was not reading.  We had not specified right or left ankle.  We also forgot that setting up we noticed that antenna 1 (6' LMR 195) was not reading just too deluged with complications like people registering at the start time and division changes to do anything about it.

All had some mud and some really bad.  Took them out in yard and squirted with hose and they cleaned up pretty well.

Oscar

[Steve Hudson]

I've just been emailed from a company called Macsha in Spain, who are selling HuTag look-a-likes for half the price : approx. 2.72 pounds sterling. Anyone seen these before ? are they any good. I have asked for a demo

[Ohio Race Day]

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:57:19 AM UTC-4, Steve Hudson wrote:

I've just been emailed from a company called Macsha in Spain, who are selling HuTag look-a-likes for half the price : approx. 2.72 pounds sterling. Anyone seen these before ? are they any good. I have asked for a demo

Steve,

Please let us know about your test of the Mascha "Hut-Tag" look-a-likes.  They have a folding mat that I'm interested in but have not researched.  See the screenshot photo attached.

Mike

Ohio Race  Day 

[Tim Irvine]

Ohio,

   I am not sure if the Macsha mats come with an 8 antenna version, but when I spoke to them, they were pushing the 4 antenna version. Looks like a copy of the Race Result design, (I guess that is who had it first), but even Race Result is selling a 4 antenna version now, so it may be 8 antennas are unneeded.  

[JK Race Timing Systems]

Isnt the Click N' tag clever.

Open it up, install a tag and close it, very good

[Peak Performance Timing]

Ohio,

Where is a link to the mats from Macsha with information and options to purchase?

[Tim Irvine]

http://macsha.com/one4all

[Steve Hudson]

Just tested various tags including the Macsha Clic N Tag - a HuTag substitute. Testing simply involved me standing directly in front of an antenna with FX9500 and measuring distance : is this sufficient ? Checking response involved consistently covering the tag with hand to ensure tag could be seen / unseen. Hutag could only manage 3.5 metres, Brian's tag was at 5 metres, Macsha at 6 metres, and Monza R6 in free space ( like Brian's ) at 10 metres.

JK : I was not aware I could open up the Macsha box unit, it must already have had a tag inside and was taped around with an identifiable label. I must admit the Macsha does not seem as indestructible as the HuTag, but then I'm sure it is satisfactory for road / cross country. For half the price of HuTag, the Macsha does seem good value, but will it prove good in races ?

[JK Race Timing Systems]

Hi Steve

Coincidentally I ordered the same tags for test today, 

I am also interested in a substitute as long as it performs equally

all good news so far so

[Phil Cook]

I've had a quote from Macsha for their folding antenna (mats), they have quoted me £1270 + shipping, and they have stock in the UK. These are a lot cheaper than the Race Results mats and also about the same price as the Chinese ones when you include the shipping. 

I'm considering getting these to work along with the side antenna to improve the read rates at the start.

[Tim Irvine]

The Macsha does have 4 antennas in the mat, as opposed to the Race Result with 8 antennas. But like you, I am considering them. 

[5Kevents.org]

If anyone wants to do a group buy and get these at $1500 each let me know. I'll need at least 10 people  to get the discount.

[Ted Finch]

Why not club together and get the original. HuTags are tried tested and reliable. You will get a good deal if a large order is made

I have no connection to HuTags except that I have used then exclusively for 3 years with in the order of >99.5% reads. Failures only rarely occur when tags are covered with wet clothes or left in the car park!! As this is well within the design spec it is in effect 100%.

Ted

[Christopher Regan]

I'd be interested 5kevents :)

[Full Gas Sports LLC]

Oscar,
I am looking at these Alibaba “hu tags”...
Do you have any test or live results using them?
Thanks
Sean

[Patrick W]

You can order a sample set of 10 of them for like 15$ on aliexpress,  I'm playing with some and they seem pretty responsive, though I don't have official hu-tags to compare against.

[JK Race Timing Systems]

HI

received my demo Macsha shoe and ankle/Wrist tag in the post today.

Havent done any testing to date and will not be doing any testing on the shoe tag.

I was most interested in these but to me they have made a big error. The "Hinge" point, instead of it being an actual hinge has been made in the same fashion as hinges on disposable boxes, as in it is just a piece of very slim plastic between the 2 pieces. Once it breaks it's gone.

No good to me when thinking about a long term investment.

Things are more hopeful in regard to the ankle/Shoe tag however they do not seem to be waterproof.

If the identifier tag is unwound then the base of the tag can be just opened to reveal the RFID tag ( in this case a dogbone R6). It will be interesting to see how this will fare in salty water after a tri swim.

I kind of like the idea that you could if required replace the rfid tag but will the water cause an issue?.

Certainly they are a  lot lighter than a hutag but are also bulkier.

As I say , looking forward to testing them out against the Hutag

They are coming in at 3 euro which is less than half the price of a hutag and also includes a well made velcro strap.

If it tests well it will be a hard decision to make.

[JK Race Timing Systems]

Hi lads

Has anyone tried to program these macsha Hutag substitutes . They are locked and I cant modify them at all

The foot one is fine but none of the wrist ones will recode

Anyone come across this

[Telemax]

I am interested in the Chinese HuTags.   $1.50 a tag sure is a great price.

Will they work with side mounted antenna, we don't have a mat.

[Oscar's Race Results]

I have used the blue (Blue Hu's) Chinese tags.  They hold up and the strap does fine.  Range is even less than a 9662 but have missed maybe one out of 100 using them for obstacle runs with staggered start.  One of the 100 I bought was bad from get go. People are not moving fast or in large groups generally which helps out.

Oscar

[Oscar's Race Results]

I did everything but answer the question: yes, they work fine with side antennas.  Narrow chute recommended.  I have only timed two small obstacle runs.  Yes, they program fine.  I did mine with a ThingMagic desktop model. O

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On Tuesday 22 May 2018 at 18:31:19 UTC+1 Mix Sport - Brazil SP wrote:

Could someone tell me the value of this ground antenna and where do I buy it?