[Agavi-Users] Is Agavi Dead?

[Yossi Ben Haim]

Is Agavi dead?

The Company I work for will start a new project shortly and we need to select a framework to use. The project is expected to have a big code base and high load (Millions of requests per day). 

Our project have multi-tier caching/storage systems which include memcache and Couchbase servers, and the new project will be at least as demanding. 

We are 8 PHP developers, and we need to make a selection of framework to use. Up until now the team here used Symfony (1) and  I am the only one with experience with Agavi. As much as I love almost every aspect of Agavi (over the crappiness of symfony), I don't feel very comfortable making the push to use Agavi for the following reasons:

* It's been more then a year since the last version released. And a year since the lase update on the move to github. 

* I have no experience with Agavi under such high load, will it manage (routing, etc)? 

I would appreciate your thoughts.  

Yossi.

[Jan Schütze]

Hi Yossi,

Like you stated: the last release has been a while and trac is closed
since dec 2011 [1]. Some guys from the #agavi channel and my
co-workers have several small patches, which should be reviewed and
discussed.

Currently we create and maintain agavi pages since agavi 0.10 and it
plays nicely for heavy load pages with a setup of varnish/nginx and
some php-fpm workers ;).

We are currently thinking about forking agavi on 2013/03/01 and we
want to maintain it on github: to push agavi development forward!

Would be awesome to have you and your developers contributing!

Regards,
Jan




[1]: https://twitter.com/Agavi/status/152838667738693632

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[Michael Heid]

Hi, 

as far as i know; David is still hard working on the migration from trac to github.

So agavi isnt "death".. 

Forking will create a new framework with new name which less people know, less support etc..

Wouldnt like to see that people goes that way just because we have no update since some time... :/

cheers from berlin

michael

2013/2/27 Jan Schütze <Ja...@dracoblue.de>

[Thorsten Schmitt-Rink]

Hi Yossi,

I have been using Agavi for 6 years now thereby shipping several sites (big video and news portals) with a very high load.
Every time the shit hit the fan and a site's performance was dying, in the end the framework wasn't the one to blame.
Rather the problems were mostly home brewed and located within the domain layer, persistence- or caching tier. (varnish to the rescue ^^)
So I guess for a good performance you could take either Agavi or Symfony and achieve similar results.
I personally favor Agavi because it is strongly opinionated and for it's architecture (filters, output-types, routing etc.) and sophisticated xml configuration.
In the end it's mostly (not all ^^) a question of taste and depends on what kinda app you are targeting (backend, frontend etc.) and how long you'll be maintaining it.
The project is not dead I guess as I know of several companies besides the one I am working for that are very actively using it.
But it is true that the github migration has been taking quite a while and I would love finally seeing it done sometime the next month(s?)

In short:
- no performance problems unless you build them ^^
- it is not dead and I hope it'll gain momentum again soon

Greetz
Thorsten

[Jan Schütze]

Hi michael,

we actually don't want to change the name. Hopefully we can use the
official name at github.

Regards also from berlin,
Jan

[Simon Holywell]

Hi Jan,

I just had this exchange on Twitter with David so hopefully it will be underway again very soon: https://twitter.com/Treffynnon/status/307109789891182592

Thanks,

Simon

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[Guilherme Aiolfi]

Simon, 

It's been a month since that exchange on Twitter. Anything happened?

Guilherme R. Aiolfi

[Simon Holywell]

Not as far as I am aware, but probably best to ask David directly. I don't know him any better than any other user of Agavi so I am not privy to any more informstion than anyone else.

[Peter Limbach]

Hey Jan,

im thinking too on forking agavi, just evaluated other php frameworks like sf2 for a new customer project and come to the conclusion the sf2 sucks, let me know if you planing to fork agavi, i have several patches from our last projects and want to push the agavi development forward.

I asked david for several month getting the gitgub migration done but until now nothing happens, i think that david isn't happy with results of the svn2git migration, and as i know david - this task had to be done with 200%.

Regards

Peter