greetings all

[Rae Bevis]

This is Rae. I came into our meeting at GM late. I live in
Colorado. I'm interested in the dynamics of how groups can work
together harmoniously and effectively.
I want to be part of a farm/ retreat center off the grid in the tropics.
looking forward to communicating with you all

[TechnoHippieChic]

thanks for setting this up!   (please tell me your name again)

 

i like the name you chose- Afterculture-

 

i look forward to a continued dialogue with you all, and please pass the word on to anyone that you know who is interested in discussing and taking action on subjects like:

 

building off the grid

bringing sustainability to the city

conservation

ecology and environmental issues

healthy diet

 

let's have this forum be one in which we educate and create change within our home -our world-

 

love Shoshannah

 

ps  i am envisioning a lifestyle of living off the grid in a eco friendly way- symbiotically with the earth-

i would love to grow medicinal plants and make medicines/ salves/ lotions/ potions

also want to have a community garden

and dance around the fire!

 

recently in San Marcos Guatemala i learned how easy it is to build with earthen fibre adobe-

 

also some friends and i have done some research on earth friendly paints

 

 

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[st.even]

The workshop's individual and topical mix of sustainable ecology and technological urbanity brought an ethnography to mind, even as we were all introducing our different perspectives. I tend to think of it when envisioning afterculture, so I may as well share the idea with everyone that was present.

It is Always Coming Home by Ursula K. LeGuinn, a fictitious ethnography of the inhabitants of the California in the really-far-future --so it is a collection of stories, poems, maps, dictionaries, charts, and songs held together by purely structural narrative. Used copies of it are pretty cheap on Amazon. It illustrates not only a functioning permaculture, but also indicates how high technology enables the existence of a sustainable paradise by evolving itself (almost) out of existence.

I figure its a relatively entertaining way to establish a shared vocabulary and vision while away from the computer screen. It also serves as my introduction, implicitly :)

love & light,
steven

[i AM an IDEA]

hello~ This is chrystal here. I remember Shoshannah mentioning something about WOLF? can anyone provide a link with more information? thanks

[roland lewis]

Hi, This is Potpourri here. I liked what Shoshannah
said about using adobe. I was a Peace Corps volunteer
in Cote d'ivoire, and one of the things we were
trained in was making mud stoves. This was basically
adobe, which was a local technology. Cooking outdoors
with an iron cauldron over an adove stove saves
firewood by creating more heat with less fuel. The
poorest people still used adobe to build their homes,
which were cooler in summer and warmer in winter than
those who had money for cinderblocks and tin roofs.
Further north in Mali, I saw some absolutely amazing
adobe architecture in Djenne, an ancient mud-brick
city. They, of course, are completely off the grid,
but they survive very well near a river.

I am interested in the technology of native americans
before the spanish arrived in north america (because
they were all over the southeast for a hundred years
before the english showed up in new england). I have
been researching how the many city-states built
fortified adobe walls around the main cities during
the mississippian civilization, how they used
permaculture to grow large crops of corn and other
vegetables without depleting the soil, and even
engaged in fish farming, digging artificial fish ponds
and stocking them. Their homes were made with adobe
too. Like the cities in Mali, most mississippian
cities in the american south and midwest were near
rivers for easy travel by boat and good access to
water and fertile soil.
At a Radical Faerie sanctuary in Tennessee called
Short mountain, they have built at least one of their
homes with adobe, and it is absolutely beautiful, a
two story mansion. They are completely off the grid
there, and have built a cistern to collect water. They
have a generator for power when they need it, but I
think they make their own with solar power.

If we were going to make a totally sustainable
community out of nothing, it would be best to locate
it by a river somewhere where the crops would grow
well and where there would be lots of clay for
building. At least, that's what I think based on
ancient models.

I also know a Homa farmer who lives near breezewood
right now named Hansen. He lived most of his life in
germany, and has been trained in all kinds of
sustainable agriculture.

Love and Light,

Potpourri

--- i AM an IDEA <orba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hello~ This is chrystal here. I remember Shoshannah
> mentioning something
> about WOLF? can anyone provide a link with more
> information? thanks
>
> On 7/4/07, st. even <sol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The workshop's individual and topical mix of
> sustainable ecology and
> > technological urbanity brought an ethnography to
> mind, even as we were all
> > introducing our different perspectives. I tend to
> think of it when
> > envisioning afterculture, so I may as well share
> the idea with everyone that
> > was present.
> >
> > It is Always Coming Home by Ursula K. LeGuinn, a
> fictitious ethnography of
> > the inhabitants of the California in the
> really-far-future --so it is a
> > collection of stories, poems, maps, dictionaries,
> charts, and songs held
> > together by purely structural narrative. Used
> copies of it are pretty
> >
>

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[Cliff Winton]

Hi Chrystal,

I believe you are talking about wwoofing, organic farming assistance.

As a general mail to the group, I'd like to reintroduce myself. This is Cliff. I'm basically just trying to find a way out of the cities. The cities tend to make me physically ill. When I spend time in remote locations, as I did at GMF, by the end of my stay I feel like a cloud has been lifted over my head and a burden lifted off of my body. Maybe it is pollution or not enough trees, maybe it is radio frequencies from cell phones etc, who knows. But, at the same time I still feel like I am bound to the cities and dependent on the economy present in the cities to sustain myself. Maybe this group can help me reduce that dependency.
I am most interested in alternative sustainable energy sources. I have done research into solar power and have found complete DIY solutions for about $700 in materials. That would let me keep all the things I think are necessary (basically just a computer so I can continue to develop video art and electronic music)  while living off the grid and away from dense population.

-Cliff

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Cliff Winton
www.vstk.org

[i AM an IDEA]

hey cliff~

thanks for the link, i totally dig what you mean about this city living. its hard to cut off the advance connections that could be made within a city community - we all sacrifice a lot in order maintain our urban dwelling.

i look forward to your insights on finding ways to reduce that dependency.