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[Leye Ige]

"My brother Imperial, please chill and let us all live by the Igbo cosmology mantra; “Live & Let Live.” Is that too much to ask?"--Mazi Prince K.C Asagwara


Mazi Prince K.C Asagwara,
IF the Igbo cosmology mantra is "Live and Let live" WHY are you trying to IMPORT your "republicanism" into Yorubaland? Abi our Monarchy is NOT part of living? And WHY do you want to create your own traditional eze titles when you had stated you have no kings? This(and more) leads to questioning the TRUTH about your "cosmology mantra".
Leye Ige
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Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2015, 7:00 PM









Imperial:

 
Please, may you know
this much. I have never felt alienated as a Nigerian.
Neither has there ever been a time my support for
a united Nigeria waned since the Nigeria/Biafra War ended
in 1970; not even amidst undeserved provocations against my
folks, the Igbo from some conscienceless fellow Nigerians.

 
All that I and most
Ndi-Igbo have always prayed for is that equity prevail in
the treatment of every sections, regions and ethnic
nationalities of Nigeria. That way then, we all can sing
One Nigeria forever. But in the absence of equity of
treatment and the marginalization of Ndi-Igbo, you are
likely to hear some discordant tunes on the Igbo question in
one Nigeria. Isn’t that fair enough?

 
Personally, I am a
Founder and past President of a Nigerian Association that
has lasted for more than thirty years. And not
just as Founder and former President; I served the
Association in the capacities of Secretary-General, Social
Secretary and PRO. I also, Chaired the Committee in the
authoring of the Association’s Constitution. I remain the
best MC the Association ever had
to host its Annual Xmas gatherings as well as, our
Independence Day  celebrations.

 
Like many other
Nigerians, the billions of dollar Diaspora Igbo remit home
on annual basis, are they not for the development
of Nigeria? My brother Imperial, please chill and let us
all live by the Igbo cosmology mantra; “Live & Let
Live.” Is that too much to ask?
 
Cheers.
 
Mazi KC Prince
Asagwara
 


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Ken, 


It's the vituperations
of some Igbo guys that made me refer to Yoruba as your hosts
in Lagos . To me Nigeria belongs to all but when you guys
keep wailing and gnashing teeth for no reason, our best bet
is to express ourselves clearer in
a language that everyone understands . 


 


If the use of the word
" host" is what makes you feel alienated, I am
willing to withdraw it my dear brother in exchange for you
giving support to one Nigeria . 




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On 17 Nov 2015, at 22:54, Asagwara, Ken (EAL) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca>
wrote:




“As we speak, about 35- 40% of new
housing estates springing up in Lagos area are owned by Igbo
companies meaning that the Igbos in Lagos don't have
problems with their Yoruba hosts.” Imperial
 

And in yours
above underlined is where the trouble with Nigeria
“makpus”.
 

Someone is my
host in my own country that you are proud to call
One United Nigeria and you can’t see how seriously
flawed that position is. Not even the many years you lived
in the USA as a student and resident did any other American
(white, black or Latino) describe you as their guest and
they, your host unless,
the times you perhaps, visited each other’s
residence. 

This is what
being one’s host entails. When I visit your place of
residence, I am your guest and you, my host. Likewise, when
you visit my place of residence, I play host to
you and you are, my guest. It is very unpatriotic, rude and
insulting to see or regard fellow citizen(s) of the country
you both own and call home, your guest and you his/her
host. 

Cheers. 

Mazi KC Prince
Asagwara

 


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..... WHY IS YOUR IGBO TRIBE SO HATED EVERYWHERE?



 

Pa Chief
Ezeana, 


 


You aren't on
the ground here; you live in the United States but Joe
Igbokwe lives here in Lagos, Nigeria . Igbokwe and several
millions of peaceful Igbo people living in non Igbo
parts in Nigeria think alike on this issue and I guess none
of them has complained that he is being 


maltreated by our
government because he came from a particular ethnic
group. 


 


As we speak,
about 35- 40% of new housing estates springing up in Lagos
area are owned by Igbo companies meaning that the Igbos in
Lagos don't have problems with their Yoruba hosts.
Igbos in Nigeria say they don't have problems with
other Nigerians but you guys living in America and Europe
keep crying wolf where there's none . Are you overseas
based guys working for the collective interest of the Igbo
race or just like to create another
crisis ? 


 


Am sure your
entire position or argument would be different if you have a
little stake in the system . 




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On 17 Nov 2015, at 12:35, Philip Achusim pach...@yahoo.com
[NaijaObserver] <NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



 




This is absurd and an
admission of failure by the two of you. What were you doing
when others were creating 100 million haters? You could have
been creating 101 million lovers of Igbo. I wonder why you
failed? Guess why you failed?
Because no one is creating enemies. The enemies are there.
Period. 







Ezeana
Achusim


Odi-Isaa


Nwa Dim Orioha
AKA OnyeUkwu

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17, 2015, 4:48 AM, Joseph Onuorah
nnam...@yahoo.com
[NaijaObserver] <NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

 




Sad but a true trend!  This ugly trend must be
stopped now else we are marring the future of our current
and future generations and that may be as bad as what
slavery did to us! 

Joe





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On Tuesday, November
17, 2015, 4:36 AM, 'Joe Igbokwe' via
AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com>
wrote:


These economic
refugees from who sit comfortably outside Nigeria to throw
stones should know that they have created 100 million
enemies for NDIGBO in Nigeria. It is that bad. 


 


Joe igbokwe






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On Nov 16, 2015, at 10:07 PM, 'Alen Ighedosa' via
NaijaEvent <naija...@googlegroups.com>
wrote:






Folks:



 



This is all
about propaganda. Let us back-track a little bit to 1970,
when General Effiong surrendered and the Biafra war
(officially) ended. Reconciliation and rehabilitation
started immediately. The atmosphere
was like that of families that were (forcefully) separated
and happily reuniting. There were tears of joy and
happiness. Boyfriends and girlfriends alike were busy
searching for their loved-ones, etc, I
recall.



 



Ironically, I
left Nigeria for the USA, August of 1974. There were about
12 Nigerians who arrived at the same school as freshmen. We
met about four other Nigerians at the school. Of all the
bunch, only four of us
were non-Igbos and from Bendel State. You know the
surprise? We all lived like a big family!!!! In fact we
lived a communal life. I must admit that those were my
happiest days in the USA! Tribal lines never existed,
believe it or not. Furthermore, most of
us became confidants and retained those bonds
to-date. 



 



An
interesting observation that struck most of us freshmen was
that the Igbos who were in the USA during the war were
(actually) still at war mentally, even though the war had
ended four years earlier and reconciliation
was in full gears back home. I recall how we made mockery
of the (older) Igbos who were here during the war. We would
tell them that they were way behind time in terms of
developments back home.



 



Summarily,
Igbos in the diaspora are the ones responsible for all these
propaganda and instigative incitements. They know how to
ignite a tribal war as they hide in their comfort-zones in
the USA and Europe, running
their big mouths, while the poor Igbo young-men are getting
slaughtered back home. What do you think? Cheers and peace.
  



  




Alenbaluye(Alen)
Ighedosa



 


 






On
Monday, November 16, 2015 1:08 PM, JEROME NIANG <jeromey...@gmail.com>
wrote:


 





​​They
always cry ......










​


HE IS AN
​IGBO HATER,



​THEY ARE
​IGBO HATERS,


IGBO
HATERS,


​ IGBO
HATERS, IGBO HATERS.​



​blah-blah-blah.




Why do all IGBO
people cry

THEY HATE US, THEY HATE US,

everyday​?


 


Stop crying,
fools,

CRY-CRY
BABIES.

They hate
you,

they hate your IGBO ​tribe,


SO
WHAT?


​ I repeat,
SO WHAT?​


 


​WHOSE LAW IS ANYONE
BREAKING


,
CONSTITUTIONAL OR BIBLICAL,​




FOR HATING YOUR IGBO TRIBE?​


​PLEASE ASK
YOURSELF,​


 



IS THERE ANYONE
YOU DON'T HATE YOURSELF?​


 


​WHY IS IT
ONLY IGBO PEOPLE,

FROM OTHER OVER 150 TRIBES IN NIGERIA, THE ONLY TRIBE THAT
CRIES ....

THEY HATE US?​


 


IT IS
EVIDENTIAL,


Your tribe
must be doing something



​stupidly
​wrong for every other tribes

 to hate your tribe in your country

and far away in other countries too​.



As an
individual


​
Igbo​


,

Who are
you that must not be hated?

Every
Christian dignifies Jesus the Christ,


Yet, he was so hated when he was alive​,

they even ​crucified him.

Some people still hate Jesus till today,


 even in
his own country, Israel.​


 

Every Muslim



​glorifies​



​ Mohammed


five times daily.


​Yet,
​


Mohammed



​was hated
​


so much when he
was alive, they even waged war against him,



​They sent him
into exile


​.​


 


Some people
still hate Mohammed up till today, even in his own
country​, Saudi Arabia.

Why are you
crying that you are hated?

 


​They hate
us, blah-blah-blah.​


Have you ever
asked yourself why?



Are you a perfect human being that expects nobody to hate
you?


​ .......
fools.​


 

Are you so
exceptional that you think you are above others? ......
fools.​

You all
​need to re-evaluate how silly you are


,
SERIOUSLY.​


 

Please name any
human being


​ you
know​


,​

living or dead,

that


​is/​



was never
hated by others.

They
hate


​ me, they
hate​


my
TRIBE.

OK​,​

SO WHAT?​ ...... SO WHAT​?



What is your tribe doing wrong that makes

others hate your tribe collectively?

Why is your
tribe most hated among others?



What is exceptional about your tribe that must not be
hated?

Have you ever
asked yourself what makes your tribe anything
different?



Can you name any tribe anywhere

in this world today


​ that you
know​


,

ancient or currently existing

 that is


​/was​



never
hated?


​STUPID,
​CRY-CRY BABIES.


 


​ You hate
Hausa, you hate Yoruba, you hate every


​ other
tribes​


that surround
you and you never hide your hatred for others. You openly
declare your hatred for others in every forums


​
everyday​


.

OK,



​We accept
that y​


ou are free
to

exercise your


​human
​


rights,

but,

ALLOW
OTHERS TO DO UNTO YOU,

AS YOU DO UNTO OTHERS.​




Why all the daily cries in these forums?​

They hate my tribe, they hate my tribe.​

Have you ever
try to change your ways,


probably others may hate you less?

 


​Who is afraid
of you or your IGBO tribe anywhere in the world
today?



In your country
Nigeria,

they are not afraid of you,

they VOTED you out of importance just to prove


your
insignificance in Nigerian



​political
arena​


.


​Outside
Nigeria sef,​


 



In Indonesia,
they firing-am-for-squad y'all,




In the USA, there are Igbos in EVERY penitentiaries they
have in all their 50 states.





​​


In India, they
kill y'all like strayed dogs


​, we see
various videos​



​ of Igbos
being killed like dogs on YouTube​






In South Africa, they "xeno" 


​Igbos early
this year​


and


​ carved them
alive like pigs.​



​




Don't that
tell you who you TRULY are?


 

WANT TO BE
LOVED?

Do you love
others so that they may love you back?


​OR,​



 

Do you hate
others and expect them not to hate you back​?

 

The more you
mention that ​you or your tribe is hated, the more others
hate you and your tribe.



Honestly, if I love


​d​


you before,

and you label me a


​n
Igbo​


hater,

I will then hate you for calling me


​an
Igbo​


​ hater.

What can you and your entire tribe do about it?

ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING.


 


Only the tribe
that feel INFERIOR to other tribes always cry


HATE, HATE, HATE,

thereby forcing others to hate them more.



Can you name any other tribe around you that cries they hate
us, they hate us, they hate us​,​ like your IGBO
​tribe?

Your tribe must
be a CURSED and a DAMNED tribe, if your tribe can't be
sure of just one other tribe



​around you
​


that truly loves
your tribe.




....asked




Jaramiyu
Niangudeen El-Yakubu, S.E., P.E.





 




 





















 
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I am right now, late to a board meeting. I will get back to you tomorrow.

 

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[Asagwara, Ken (EAL)]

Leye Ige:

 

You asked me, "WHY are you trying to IMPORT your "republicanism" into Yorubaland? Abi our Monarchy is NOT part of living?

 

My response - You directed your question to the wrong person. I have never argued that Igbo Republicanism should be exported into Yoruba land. Your Yoruba Monarchy is part of living in Yoruba cosmology and I have no problem with that. I have always stated that the firewood in a peoples environment cooks their food for them. To each, accordingly.

 

Let the Igbo live with their Republicanism, wherever they are and let the Yorubas abide by their Monarchism, wherever they are. That is the essence of Igbo cosmology mantra of "Live & Let Live".

 

Leye Ige, like a good many others of non-Igbo origin, you have misunderstood and misinterpreted the concept of "Igbo have no Kings". If I recall correctly, my dear Nwanna Dr. Obi Nwakanma on many occasions explained it to you, readers. Let me here briefly try as he had. The concept of Igbo have no Kings simply implies that every Igbo is King in his household. And when it comes to community affairs, OHA as in the People voices hold sway over any Eze/King. In Igbo land areas where they have Ezes/Kings, such people function at the behest of OHA, the People. The Republican nature of Igbo society fashioned it that way. Just like the Monarchical nature of the Yoruba cosmology gives the Kabieysi an Oracular status to the point that every Yoruba must bow before him.

 

Leye, our country's multicultural mosaic should be a source of strength and unity rather than disunity; them and us.

 

Cheers.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

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"My brother Imperial, please chill and let us all live by the Igbo cosmology mantra; “Live & Let Live.” Is that too much to ask?"--Mazi Prince K.C Asagwara

 

 

Mazi Prince K.C Asagwara,

IF the Igbo cosmology mantra is "Live and Let live" WHY are you trying to IMPORT your "republicanism" into Yorubaland? Abi our Monarchy is NOT part of living? And WHY do you want to create your own traditional eze titles when you had stated you have no kings? This(and more) leads to questioning the TRUTH about your "cosmology mantra".

Leye Ige

--------------------------------------------

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Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2015, 7:00 PM

 

Imperial:

   

Please, may you know  this much. I have never felt alienated as a Nigerian. Neither has there ever been a time my support for a united Nigeria waned since the Nigeria/Biafra War ended  in 1970; not even amidst undeserved provocations against my  folks, the Igbo from some conscienceless fellow Nigerians.

 

   

All that I and most Ndi-Igbo have always prayed for is that equity prevail in  the treatment of every sections, regions and ethnic nationalities of Nigeria. That way then, we all can sing  One Nigeria forever. But in the absence of equity of  treatment and the marginalization of Ndi-Igbo, you are  likely to hear some discordant tunes on the Igbo question in  one Nigeria. Isn’t that fair enough? 

   

Personally, I am a Founder and past President of a Nigerian Association that  has lasted for more than thirty years. And not just as Founder and former President; I served the  Association in the capacities of Secretary-General, Social  Secretary and PRO. I also, Chaired the Committee in the  authoring of the Association’s Constitution. I remain the  best MC the Association ever had to host its Annual Xmas gatherings as well as, our  Independence Day  celebrations. 

   

Like many other Nigerians, the billions of dollar Diaspora Igbo remit home  on annual basis, are they not for the development of Nigeria? My brother Imperial, please chill and let us  all live by the Igbo cosmology mantra; “Live & Let  Live.” Is that too much to ask?

   

Cheers.

   

Mazi KC Prince

Asagwara

   

 

 

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To: Asagwara, Ken (EAL)

 

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Ken,  

 

It's the vituperations of some Igbo guys that made me refer to Yoruba as your hosts  in Lagos . To me Nigeria belongs to all but when you guys  keep wailing and gnashing teeth for no reason, our best bet  is to express ourselves clearer in

a language that everyone understands . 

 

If the use of the word " host" is what makes you feel alienated, I am  willing to withdraw it my dear brother in exchange for you  giving support to one Nigeria .  

 

  On 17 Nov 2015, at 22:54, Asagwara, Ken (EAL) <Ken.As...@gov.mb.ca>

wrote:

 

“As we speak, about 35- 40% of new housing estates springing up in Lagos area are owned by Igbo companies meaning that the Igbos in Lagos don't have  problems with their Yoruba hosts.” Imperial   

 

And in yours above underlined is where the trouble with Nigeria  “makpus”.  

 

Someone is my host in my own country that you are proud to call  One United Nigeria and you can’t see how seriously  flawed that position is. Not even the many years you lived  in the USA as a student and resident did any other American  (white, black or Latino) describe you as their guest and  they, your host unless, the times you perhaps, visited each other’s residence. 

 

This is what being one’s host entails. When I visit your place of  residence, I am your guest and you, my host. Likewise, when  you visit my place of residence, I play host to you and you are, my guest. It is very unpatriotic, rude and  insulting to see or regard fellow citizen(s) of the country  you both own and call home, your guest and you his/her host. 

 

Cheers. 

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re:

[africanworldforum] Re: IGBO PEOPLE ..... HATE, HATE, HATE  ..... WHY IS YOUR IGBO TRIBE SO HATED EVERYWHERE?  

 

Pa Chief Ezeana,   

 

 

You aren't on the ground here; you live in the United States but Joe  Igbokwe lives here in Lagos, Nigeria . Igbokwe and several  millions of peaceful Igbo people living in non Igbo

  parts in Nigeria think alike on this issue and I guess none  of them has complained that he is being  maltreated by our government because he came from a particular ethnic group. 

 

As we speak, about 35- 40% of new housing estates springing up in Lagos  area are owned by Igbo companies meaning that the Igbos in  Lagos don't have problems with their Yoruba hosts.

  Igbos in Nigeria say they don't have problems with  other Nigerians but you guys living in America and Europe  keep crying wolf where there's none . Are you overseas  based guys working for the collective interest of the Igbo  race or just like to create another crisis

 

Am sure your entire position or argument would be different if you have a  little stake in the system . 

 

 

 

 

On 17 Nov 2015, at 12:35, Philip Achusim pach...@yahoo.com  [NaijaObserver] <NaijaO...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: 

 

This is absurd and an admission of failure by the two of you. What were you doing  when others were creating 100 million haters? You could have  been creating 101 million lovers of Igbo. I wonder why you  failed? Guess why you failed?

Because no one is creating enemies. The enemies are there.

Period. 

 

Ezeana

Achusim

 

 

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17, 2015, 4:48 AM, Joseph Onuorah

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wrote: 

 

Sad but a true trend!  This ugly trend must be  stopped now else we are marring the future of our current  and future generations and that may be as bad as what  slavery did to us! 

 

Joe

 

 

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17, 2015, 4:36 AM, 'Joe Igbokwe' via

AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com>

wrote:

 

 

These economic refugees from who sit comfortably outside Nigeria to throw  stones should know that they have created 100 million  enemies for NDIGBO in Nigeria. It is that bad. 

 

 

Joe igbokwe

 

 

 

[Leye Ige]

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara: " I have never argued that Igbo Republicanism should be exported into Yoruba land. Your Yoruba Monarchy is part of living in Yoruba cosmology and I have no problem with that. I have always stated that the firewood in a peoples environment cooks their food for them. To each, accordingly.

Let the Igbo live with their Republicanism, wherever they are and let the Yorubas abide by their Monarchism, wherever they are. That is the essence of Igbo cosmology mantra of "Live & Let Live".

RESPONSE: This is NOT answering the question. Here's why: of course, Igbo will live with their republicanism and the Yoruba with their monarchy. BUT WE ARE LIVING TOGETHER WITHIN THE SAME GEO-POLITICAL SPACE--- which makes all the difference. So, how can both live together in the same space WITHOUT some form of "line" that mus not be crossed? In other words, each HOST must be able to determine such a LINE. the Yoruba will not interfere in Igbo republicanism in Igboland, ditto the Igbo in Yorubaland, at the same time one cannot transport one's social views into another's.

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara: "Leye Ige, like a good many others of non-Igbo origin, you have misunderstood and misinterpreted the concept of "Igbo have no Kings". If I recall correctly, my dear Nwanna Dr. Obi Nwakanma on many occasions explained it to you, readers. Let me here briefly try as he had. The concept of Igbo have no Kings simply implies that every Igbo is King in his household. And when it comes to community affairs, OHA as in the People voices hold sway over any Eze/King. In Igbo land areas where they have Ezes/Kings, such people function at the behest of OHA, the People. The Republican nature of Igbo society fashioned it that way. Just like the Monarchical nature of the Yoruba cosmology gives the Kabieysi an Oracular status to the point that every Yoruba must bow before him."
RESPONSE: Leaving your misunderstanding of Yoruba Monarchy aside, as long as you live OUTSIDE Igboland, your Oha is irrelevant; just as the Yoruba will not play by their own rules in Igboland. BUT YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THIS LIMITATION, otherwise "citizenship" is meaningless.

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara: "Leye, our country's multicultural mosaic should be a source of strength and unity rather than disunity; them and us."
RESPONSE: Yep, but what is the FOUNDATION for that "source of strength"? Disrespect breeds disunity and negates multiculturalism.

Leye Ige



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[Vin Otuonye]

Leye Ige:

You really want to shove this Yoruba monarchy and way of life down our throats. When it comes to cosmopolitan areas/places in Nigeria,  for example Lagos, your Yoruba monarchy holds no ground in majority of that state.  The only way the monarchy should matter is who becomes the Oba of Lagos. This is where non Lagos royal family should not dabble into. I have often thought the mistake the founding fathers did when Lagos was made the federal capital is they should have out rightly bought the place. However, because federal funds was used to develop Lagos and because it was a federal capital, it truly should belonged to all Nigerians,. Same with Abuja. However,  you guys simply want to down play Lagos Federal status to suit your tribal fancy even though most of you guys are not from Lagos.   Please note I have not discussed Yoruba Obas in small Yoruba towns or villages. 

With the example of Lagos above,  there's nothing like living within Yoruba cosmology.  You live within Nigeria cosmology because different Nigerians that make up the area bring their various ways of life, culture, what-have you to bear in that place. If for example Igbo,  Edo,  Yoruba,  Efik, etc live in an area, there may be infusion of the culture of all these nationalities in that area. I call it melting point. 

Now, I expect you to come swinging.

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[Leye Ige]

"I have often thought the mistake the founding fathers did when Lagos was made the federal capital is they should have out rightly bought the place. However, because federal funds was used to develop Lagos and because it was a federal capital, it truly should belonged to all Nigerians"--Vin Otuonye

Vin,
(1) The PORTION of Lagos that constituted "federal capital" was the "colony", around the Island. Nothing more, nothing less. The Western Region DEVELOPED those places up to Iddo, Apapa, etc. So, sir, your claim about Lagos is WRONG.
(2) As to cosmopolitan nature, Yorubaland is FULL of cosmopolitan cities--that's because of our welcoming nature which we DO NOT brag about.
(3) I DO NOT have to shove anything down your throat. You are NOT Yoruba, so to you, it may be nothing more than an academic exercise, but to the Yoruba, it is not; and for Lagos, the entire territory is Yoruba, federal capital or not; bought out or not, that is why all the settlements have their Obas. Now, even if the place was bought out, nothing stops a buy-back, if necessary. And any sort of instrument can be utilized in such buy-back. Better still, if Biafra becomes independent, obviously, its portion of the purchase will become void, by fiat.
Leye Ige
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I am ready to sell my Lekki estate. Any offers?

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[Afis Deinde]

"I have often thought the mistake the founding fathers did when Lagos was made the federal capital is they should have out rightly bought the place. However, because federal funds was used to develop Lagos and because it was a federal capital, it truly should belonged to all Nigerians"--Vin Otuonye

Afis BirdsEyeView:

Again, this Vin Ohu Otuonye, is an ignoramus.

These igbo fools talk about Lagos as if Lagos capital is the whole of Lagos state.

Low cost housing in Suru-lere were built to compensate the omo Eko-s when the bridges destroyed their traditional family homes on the Islands.  And some of those buildings were funded by the Lagos property dev Corp of those days, not the federal govt. Except for 25 storey building, Tafawa Balewa sq, and National stadium, what are the development projects in Lagos? Yaba and idiaraba were not developed except Yaba tech and Unilag in embryonic stages. The two rail lines from Iddo to Kano, you  call that development?

Was Badagry, Epe, Ikorodu part of Lagos capital?

Ikeja Industrial project was by AG government and Ikeja was part of the West. 

All of Alimosho and Egbe, Isolo, Ojo, Okokomaiko, Irede, even Part of Costain were all forests......until  National theatre. 

Ijeshatedo was later occupied by the Ijeshas who bought lands from Awori whose Oba is Onitire of Itire. Was Lekki developed? Was Maroko developed?

Look ojare, Oluwa loni Ile, ati awon Awori ti o motan re.

I PREDICT THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, TO CHASE IGBOS OUT OF SURULERE, IN ORDER TO RECLAIM THE ELECTED SEATS, WE MAY RECONSIDER REBUILDING SURULERE BECAUSE ACCORDING TO AFIS RECLAMATION PLANS, THE RABIATU CRESCENT BUILDINGS AND HOGAN BASSEY LITTLE HOUSES AND SUENU ROAD AND ALHAJI MASHA ROAD SLUMS ARE UNFIT FOR HUMANS.

If my memory serves me right, We did it in Ajegunle, we can do it again.

That's the beauty of DEMOCRACY.

The hosts control the local economy thru their elected officials.

Shikena 

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Patrick Nwakuba]

Some of you people in this forum write and reason like uneducated compound fools. With thoughts like the one below no wonder the best thing for Nigeria will be total disintegration. In fact there's no need bandaging a geographical entity with minds like the one below in this 21st century. May God help that nation.

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