The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

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THE DEJI OF AKURE HAS THE RIGHT TO DETHRONE AND ABOLISH THE “EZE NDIGBO” TITLE IN HIS DOMAIN.

Dr. Wumi Akintide.

I would be the first to condemn the effrontery of any Yoruba community leader in Onitsha or Arochukwu who asked to be confirmed as the “Oba of the Yorubas “in the two Igbo towns of Nigeria. The two towns have taken great pride in their monarchy and traditional system from the dawn of their history in Igbo Land and rightly so.

I recall famous Professor Kodlinye, a one-time personal physician to Her Royal Majesty the Queen of England. The great Professor returned back to Nigeria to be appointed Vice Chancellor of the great University of Nsukka. The Professor was a prince of Obosi who could easily have asked his people to make him the “Eze Ndigbo” of London if not the whole of the United Kingdom. He would not even consider taking the title in Obosi talk less of asking for such a title in a foreign country like Britain which is ruled by only one monarch from the Royal House of Windsor.

As well-organized  as the Igbo National Union has been in the United States,  I am yet to hear of any Igbo man asking his people to confer on him the title of “Eze Ndigbo” or” Igwe” in any of the major cities of America. That would have been a joke in America. The Igbos know better not to do that kind of thing in America or any of the civilized countries of the world.

I did hear of a Yoruba community in South Carolina who claim to have a leader who reportedly got his crown from the great Alaafin of Oyo. They operate in private, however, and they have never sought any public or official recognition like the so-called “Eze Ndigbo of Akure has done by going ahead to build himself a Palace and by claiming some parity with the Deji  of Akure, the preeminent ruler of the Kingdom.

I visited Rio de Janeiro in Brazil during the last World Cup. I seized the opportunity to visit the “Favelas” and the areas occupied by the Yoruba descendants in the great city. I never heard of any of their leaders seeking to be recognized as a traditional ruler of their community. They know they are in a foreign land. They could maintain or treasure their Yoruba identity, but they have done it within the rules and norms of what is acceptable in Brazil.

I could say the same thing of Cuba where the Yoruba descendants accorded the Late Ooni Risa Sijuwade Olubushe the Second, a rousing welcome reserved only for Heads of State the first time he paid an official visit to Cuba as Arole Oodua “Jigbini bi Ite Akun” the highly respected progenitor of the Yorubas who is actually worshipped as a deity in Cuba and some parts of the Caribbean,  I never heard any of those Yoruba leaders seeking for recognition as titular “Yoruba Oba” because they know they have to respect the traditions of their host country. The day Ooni Risa Sijuade landed in Havana was viewed as special by the Yoruba descendants in Cuba because the visit ended a long period of draught in Havana and it was believed by many of them that the successor of Oodua had brought rain to their land and the visit was considered a great blessing to Cuba.

Akure people have no problem with Mr. Grail Illoson becoming the leader and the chief spokesman for his people on issues that are important to them, but coming to Akure and asking any Deji of Akure to confer on him the title of “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure is a different ballgame altogether. It is an abomination! Only a naïve Deji who does not understand the history of his own people or the import of traditional values and sensitivities would ever grant that kind of favor.

 The words “Eze Ndigbo “simply means the King of the Igbos. There cannot be a king without a territory. If such a Deji agrees to create and recognize such a title in his domain he must be ready to identify the territory the title holder is going to preside over. Such a Deji would have no justification to deny creating similar titles and territories for the Egbiras, the Ijaws, the Hausa/Fulani and the Urhobo community in his domain if they all want similar concessions. How many Obas can you have in one town is a legitimate question to ask Mr. Illoson and his supporters?  As huge and as highly populated as Ibadan is, the city has only one traditional ruler in the Olubadan of Ibadan. The same thing goes for most of the major cities of Yoruba Land. If the Igbos get their wish in Akure, it is only a question of time before they would start asking for similar concessions elsewhere in Nigeria.

The predicament the new Deji of Akure finds himself today can be traced back to Deji Adesina Adepoju who was banished for going out to the market place to engage in physical combat with his wife. The man who lived in London before his coronation knew next to nothing about the Deji’s institution. He got to the throne as a compromise choice by claiming to be the great grandson of Deji Osupatadolaa who reigned from 1834 to 1846.

He got the title because the Deji’s 1958 Chieftaincy Declaration signed into Law by the Awolowo Government had been amended in 1991 by a decree signed into law by military Governor and Navy Captain Sunday Olukoya. The amendment accommodated the “non-omo ori ite” meaning the male children who were born before their fathers became the Deji or grandchildren or great grandchildren like me and so many others in Akure, whose biological fathers were never crowned a Deji in Akure.  

Akure was put into the mess it is now because the amendment has opened the door for impostors and many fake princes to have a chance to be crowned a Deji in Akure where very little to nothing is ever documented. Revisionists say what they like and tell some cock and bull stories when there is no one to challenge them or tell them they are wrong. I write some of the stuff I write today while I still have the capacity, the brains and the recall memory to document some of our history for generations yet unborn

Deji Osupa who called himself Osupa the Third was really Osupa the Second because there was only one Osupa before him. I pointed out the anomaly to him in writing before he was dethroned. Today we have  Deji Odundun the Second  because there was only one Odundun before him who  reigned from 1882 to 1890 as documented in my book, “the Lion King and the Cubs” published in 2007. What I am doing is my little contribution to my town, and I would never shy away from it, even if it gives some fraudulent elements among us some discomfort or headache.

The deposed Deji committed an abomination when he placed more value on using the title to make money than to preserve our traditional values. He believed he was there not to make history and to leave his foot prints on the sands of history. He was there instead to make hysteria. He, all of a sudden, decided to enlarge the original “Iwarafa Mefa” group of Chiefs in Akure led by Olisa, Oteru Oba Ode by adding individuals with honorary titles into their rank and file. He did the same thing with the “Ikomo group” led by Baralaye the Sao of Akure and the “Ejua group” led by the Asamo of Akure. He did not stop there. He took a lot of cash from individuals like Mr. Grail Illoson to make him the “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure without any consultation with the Akure Council of Chiefs. He probably silenced his chiefs by threatening to rusticate them if they ever spoke up or challenged him.

The man was a ruthless despot who deposed the best Olisa in Akure history, retired Colonel Elijah Folorunsho David because the man refused to take any nonsense from him. I can say it without any iota of contradiction because I knew both of them very well and because Colonel David was my childhood friend and brother-in-law.  I knew all of what transpired between them as an insider and a prince in Akure. I tell the truth as I know it and I damn the consequence because I know that sooner or later the truth will prevail.

I give all this background narrative to educate all of you reading this and to assure some of my Igbo friends who are so quick to blackmail me as a tribalist because I have the courage of my conviction to say or write anything that goes against them. Both Awolowo and Sardauna Bello were tagged tribalists because they dared to champion interest of their own base in Nigeria I recall Sardauna Bello saying in a video on the Internet that he embarked on his “northernization” policy in Nigeria to stop the Igbos from taking over the whole of the northern Public Service.

I make some exceptions though because there are Igbos like Alex Omeke  and Agwunobi from Detroit, Michigan and Professor Ozodi Osuji to mention a few who don’t usually rush to judgment to condemn anybody criticizing the Igbos for any reason. Mr. Agwunobi lived in Akure before coming to the United States and he and Alex Omeke and Professor Osuji are usually more objective in their judgment of those who criticize the Igbos. I would never deliberately malign the Igbos because there are also Yorubas, myself included, who do what the Igbos do when it suits their whim and caprices.

 For those of you who may not know, the Deji of Akure has had a running battle with two of his quarter chiefs in Akure, namely the Osolo of Isolo and the Iralepo of Isinkan  who have been agitating for recognition as traditional rulers within the Akure Metropolis for a long time. The Appeal Court has returned a verdict that they must never again parade themselves as traditional rulers in Akure. They refused to take a no for an answer. They have now taken their case to the Supreme Court which will give the final ruling.

The New Deji is well within his right and authority to dethrone the “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure and to abolish the title altogether because it has no place in our tradition and cultural setting, and we are not going to allow it to compound our problems in the capital city.

The Igbos are good people and they mean so much to the economic transformation of our town and our people want to live at peace with them like we have done for close to a hundred years starting from the reign of my grandfather, Deji Afunbiowo Adesida who reigned from 1897 to 1957 and whose three direct children reigned after him from 1957 to 1991 and whose great grandchild, Afunbiowo the Second reigned for from 2010 to 2013.

All the Dejis I know have encouraged the Igbos to settle in Akure and to peacefully make a living in our town as long they respect our sacred institutions and traditions. They must not impose their own values on our people. They should not do in our own domain what our own people would never do in theirs. It is that simple, if they truly value our own friendship and cooperation.

 Mr. Grail Illoson, the “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure deserves to be dethroned with immediate effect because he has overstepped his boundaries. I would be saying the same thing about any Yoruba man in Igbo Land who oversteps his boundaries by riding roughshod over the traditional values and sensitivities of his host.

To be made an Oba in Yoruba Land, you have got to have a royal blood in you. It is not exactly so in much of Igbo Land where you can be picked or elevated to an “Igwe” or “Eze” if you are filthy rich and have exemplary conduct as a leader. Mr. Grail Illoson can go back to his homestead in Igbo Land if he is so passionate on becoming an “Eze” or “Igwe”. If he wants to continue to live among us at Akure however, he must respect our core ethical frame work and value system.  When you live in Rome you behave like a Roman. Mr. Illoson cannot eat his cake and have it.

I must seize this opportunity to reply to Mr. Kola Akere who deposed in his Facebook posting that what Mr. Illoson has done in Akure is permissible all over the world without giving one example. I don’t know what the gentleman is talking about.

I am yet to hear of an “Eze Ndigbo in Kano, Sokoto or Bornu who wants recognition from Government or who wants to be placed on the same pedestal as the Emir of Kano, the Sultan of Sokoto or the Shehu of Bornu. I hear about an “Eze Ndigbo” of Lagos seeking the same kind of concession from Governor Raji Fashola but his request was politely and very quickly denied because it could have led to racial tension in Lagos and all of Yoruba Land.

Kabiyesi, the new Deji of Akure has done precisely the right thing in reference to Mr. Grail Illoson. Kabiyesi ought to go further to revisit some of the honorary titles that the deposed “Deji Osupa the Third” has conferred on some people in Akure. He should remove all of them from the three traditional groups I have listed above. Such honorary titles do not belong in the Iwarafa Mefa, or the Ikomo and the Ejua groups of Chiefs in Akure.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. There is no middle ground between the two. The deposed Deji should never have done what he did, but thank God Akure now has a Deji who appreciates and understands the full ramifications and consequences of desecrating our sacred institutions and traditional values and would not abandon his responsibilities by looking the other way. He has the support of all Akure people at home and in Diaspora to do what he has done.

I rest my case.     

 

[Joseph Igietseme]

“””I did hear of a Yoruba community in South Carolina who claim to have a leader who reportedly got his crown from the great Alaafin of Oyo. They operate in private, however, and they have never sought any public or official recognition like the so-called “Eze Ndigbo of Akure has done by going ahead to build himself a Palace and by claiming some parity with the Deji  of Akure, the preeminent ruler of the Kingdom. I visited Rio de Janeiro in Brazil during the last World Cup. I seized the opportunity to visit the “Favelas” and the areas occupied by the Yoruba descendants in the great city. I never heard of any of their leaders seeking to be recognized as a traditional ruler of their (foreign) community. They know they are in a foreign land. They could maintain or treasure their Yoruba identity, but they have done it within the rules and norms of what is acceptable in Brazil. I could say the same thing of Cuba where the Yoruba descendants accorded the Late Ooni Risa Sijuwade Olubushe the Second, a rousing welcome reserved only for Heads of State the first time he paid an official visit to Cuba as Arole Oodua “Jigbini bi Ite Akun” the highly respected progenitor of the Yorubas who is actually worshipped as a deity in Cuba and some parts of the Caribbean,  I never heard any of those Yoruba leaders seeking for recognition as titular “Yoruba Oba” because they know they have to respect the traditions of their host country. ……..Akure people have no problem with Mr. Grail Illoson becoming the leader and the chief spokesman for his people on issues that are important to them, but coming to Akure and asking any Deji of Akure to confer on him the title of “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure is a different ballgame altogether. It is an abomination! Only a naïve Deji who does not understand the history of his own people or the import of traditional values and sensitivities would ever grant that kind of favor.

The words “Eze Ndigbo “simply means the King of the Igbos. There cannot be a king without a territory. If such a Deji agrees to create and recognize such a title in his domain he must be ready to identify the territory the title holder is going to preside over…….. How many Obas can you have in one town is a legitimate question to ask Mr. Illoson and his supporters?  As huge and as highly populated as Ibadan is, the city has only one traditional ruler in the Olubadan of Ibadan. The same thing goes for most of the major cities of Yoruba Land [and other ethnic territories in Nigeria].”””………Unquote Dr. Wumi Akintide!

JUI would like to ENDORSE these statements by Dr Wumi Akintide. The Official Govt is okay for everybody anywhere in Nigeria; the traditional system is already posing serious challenges to our official Govt because its beliefs and practices may sometimes conflict with the national official constitution; so creating potentially antagonistic traditions that may lead to more conflicts in future is unadvisable. Let’s allow sleeping dogs to lie peacefully without sowing seeds that could germinate community feuds and crises in future. Take care. JUI
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[Chiwuikem Ihediwa]

Deji of Akure does not have any right to rule ndi Igbo in Akure period. If ndi Igbo in Akure wants a leader, they should select one from amongst them who is qualified to rule them. The Deji may not be qualified by Igbo standard.
The Eze Igbo should go to court if molested by any idiot in Akure, it is his right. One Nigeria.
 
Chiwuikem
 

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[afis 'Deinde]

Hmmmmmmmmm........AYE GBA TAPA OKOLE IGUNNUKO, AYE GBA INYANMINRIN OPE ARA E NI EZE GBURUGBURU.
In Odualand?

Shikena 

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Afis Deinde]

Idiot Gburugburu, that's what you are.......hehehe!

Afis

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[vincent modebelu]

I did hear of a Yoruba community in South Carolina who claim to have a leader who reportedly got his crown from the great Alaafin of Oyo. They operate in private, however, and they have never sought any public or official recognition like the so-called “Eze Ndigbo of Akure has done by going ahead to build himself a Palace and by claiming some parity with the Deji  of Akure, the preeminent ruler of the Kingdom.

 The head of every hausa community in EASTERN CITIES is called SAKARI

 

 Note

Alagba akintide.

My stand..

No Useless Oba  [ as said by my friend for now asiwaju...on this issue only], No smaller Deji  that pour wata on his wife for liking younger men...must touch an IGBO son ..no matter what title he decides to put on his head.

Emir  + Saraki + Oba + Deji + Beli + Lamido +Saludo of adamawa roaming in Nigeria.

Look at how many people trying to replace the ooni.

IGBO should go and buy that Title.

We own that country.

All these things called Titles are for sell.
They are not worth anything across the Niger.

There are more chiefs and Nzes in the East than all Africa combined.

Remember..Akure is IGBO land

I rest my case.

vin.....///

....Born to tell the truth

....they are listening indeed
... thick walls will  fall

[Rex Marinus]

JUI, for as long as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice. Akure is increasingly a city catering to a vast number of people other than the original Ondo. These groups have a right to their organizations. The civil law under which the Deji operates is the local government or municipal law, and the head of the Ondo local government is the duly elected chairman, under whose mayoral powers, with the acquiesence of the elected councilors, supersedes any pretentions the Deji of Akure may have with regards to power. Nigeria, as a REPUBLIC, does not operate under a monarchy. Nigerians living in Ondo, do not answer to the Deji of Akure. They answer to the Constitution of the Republic. The Deji must desist from this harassment, and should be taken to court, to effect an interlocutory injunction, against any interference in the pursuit of Igbo residents of Ondo to organize themselves by every legal means. I personally do not subscribe to the "Eze Igbo" idea, but we must also know that the word "Eze" in Igbo does not mean "King." In this case, it means "leader of the Igbo" in Akure. They have a right to organize themselves under any leadership they elect. The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law. I hope the Igbo in Akure prepare for a long court battle on this issue.

Obi Nwakanma

 

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[Afis Deinde]

Hey, Obi Nwakanma, I did not read all the nonsense you wrote, just glanced.
When the "Eze palace" goes up in flames, the Inyanminrin in Akure may need you to come "spoketh" Turenchi

Dan bura uba mutumu Dan banza.

Afis

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[vincent modebelu]

The Deji of Akure has NO right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain

 

  
These left wingers who cannot read the constitution does not know that..

 Eze IGBO AKURE can call in DEJI in his EZEIGBO Court and give him a query ...GBAM

Any way..some of these no gooder are on their way out of nigeria to join their brothers in benin republic.

Eze Igbo Akure must summon this balle to his court and teach him a thing or too.

These useless Obas.

IGBO cannot cure all the ill out west.

vin.....///

....Born to tell the truth

....they are listening indeed
... thick walls will  fall

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Prof Nwakanma,
As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, tradition authority is ALWAYS anchored on a location or domain, although traditions can be practiced in several places. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! Any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be indigeneship issues; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI
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On Oct 15, 2015 7:26 PM, "'gibsoncee' via NaijaEvent" <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Obi:

I love reading from you but this one is what an friend will call fafi. I say this with the simple authority of all the wars that have taken place and currently taking place in so many Igbo towns fighting and killing each other over autonomous communities creation and crowning of non governmental recognition. 

The so many heads of several Igbo unions of the n past co-exist ed with their host without problems.  Our Igbo towns have been mapped out by the Huasuas and Hausa enclaves created, their heads or chairmen known but none has gone to build palaces as Dankasa of Eziachi or of Nsu or Obinze. 

Finally, I ask you which court? You need to go back,  you have stayed here too long. When they finish with our man, no one will want to be Eze Igbo in Akure again. 

Did you hear about the Abubeoki of Ife again? By the way did he return after he flee. Have they buried the Ooni yet?

Have a great day. 

Gibson C Chigbu 

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Subject: RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

JUI, for as long as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice. Akure is increasingly a city catering to a vast number of people other than the original Ondo. These groups have a right to their organizations. The civil law under which the Deji operates is the local government or municipal law, and the head of the Ondo local government is the duly elected chairman, under whose mayoral powers, with the acquiesence of the elected councilors, supersedes any pretentions the Deji of Akure may have with regards to power. Nigeria, as a REPUBLIC, does not operate under a monarchy. Nigerians living in Ondo, do not answer to the Deji of Akure. They answer to the Constitution of the Republic. The Deji must desist from this harassment, and should be taken to court, to effect an interlocutory injunction, against any interference in the pursuit of Igbo residents of Ondo to organize themselves by every legal means. I personally do not subscribe to the "Eze Igbo" idea, but we must also know that the word "Eze" in Igbo does not mean "King." In this case, it means "leader of the Igbo" in Akure. They have a right to organize themselves under any leadership they elect. The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law. I hope the Igbo in Akure prepare for a long court battle on this issue.

Obi Nwakanma

 

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[afis 'Deinde]

Ain't we stealing Fela's song title?
Inyanminrin will steal anything!

Shikena 

Afis

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[Afis Deinde]

These guys blow too much Turenchi.

When the stupid man was decked and chased out of the palace, none of these Turenchi throwers went to rescue him.
When his "palace" will burn down and his Igbos chased out of Akure, I pray Obi Nwakanma be there to burn along!

Afis

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Prof Nwakanma,
As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, traditional authority is ALWAYS anchored on a geographical location or domain, although traditions can be practiced and tolerated in several places than the homeland because they don't exert the authorities in those foreign lands; it just a personal issue. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Eze of Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain in a foreign land! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! The reality is that any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! Immigrant can practice their traditions to the extent that the practices don't conflict with the rules of traditional authorities of the indigenes. If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be no indigeneship issues in Nigeria; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship in any traditional domain will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI

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[Ibukunolu Alao Babajide]

Dear Joe,

Obi Nwakanma yet again allows his ethnic Igbo revanchist blinkers to deny him good reason or legal accuracy.

Under our Federal Constitution, we have three legislative competence lists.  They are:

1.  The Exclusive List;
2.  The Concurrent List; and
3.  The Residual List.

In the Exclusive list are issues exclusive to the federal government at the centre and this includes the registration of corporate associations.  That is done by the Corporate Affairs Commission, and this Eze Igbo matter falls outside its ambit despite Obi Nwakanma@s sophistry as pleading it as a freedom of association matter.  There are many associations that are not allowed under the law.  He may try to form an association of armed robbers and see how swift the law will grab his balls.  In the same category are seditious associations like MASSOB and other Biafran related illegal associations challenging the sovereignty of Nigeria.  That is a matter for a different exchange.

In the Concurrent list are issues where both the federal and the state can both legislate and this includes areas like health, education and similar areas.

In the third and final list the residual list are matters that are related to the heritage and traditions of the people that is the sole preserve of the local people and their state and local government administration.  That is where this Eze Igbo matter falls.  The Deji of Akure is the paramount traditional ruler in his kingdom and he can legally allow or dismiss any other king ruling in that kingdom especially an alien king of kingless people (Igbo enwe Eze) Igbos have no kings.

Since the British enacted the Warrant Chiefs Ordinance in Eastern Nigeria, these kingless people have outdone those who have kings in bastardizing the institution of kingship by installing themselves kings if they number two or three in any place all over the world.  Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia.

The Deji of Akure has the powers to deny any mushroom king within his domain and he has done so!

Cheers.


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[Joe Attueyi]

But it is all "ma gbe e l'ese!" talk and deserves very little consideration. 

Gbam! Fela called it shakara oloje.  I go beat you. Na shakara. Before you hear gbam the troglodyte go be the first to carry race. Hehehe

Joe
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First to my brother, Gibson Chigbu: I understand your skepticism about the rule of law and the use of the courts. It is of course well-founded. But the march of history is inevitable. As time goes on, and with greater pressure, these courts will provide protection. Now, some troglodyte is talking about "burning" Igbo "palaces" an driving the Igbo from Akure, or Ondo generally as if the Igbo themselves do not know how to burn palaces in Akure if it comes to that. But it is all "ma gbe e l'ese!" talk and deserves very little consideration. The Igbo are in sufficient number in Akure to seek the courts to enforce their legal rights, and persist, until that right is enforced. That is the way people have always obtained justice in history. They compel, through persistence, the courts to act. It does not come very easily.

And to JUI: the word "tradition" is often the recourse of the villain and the right wing. The idea of a "traditional authority" in an urbanizing society is sham. The Deji of Akure is by the very implication of Nigeria's constitution that vests all civil authority on an elected government and in courts established by acts of parliament, a sham institution, with no enforceable powers. His rights to his "tradition" does not obscure the rights of others in the same environment, deriving the same status under the law as citizens, to express their own "traditions." The only owner of the "territory" in which Ondo exists today is the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and so any claim to territoriality or a distinct "geography" outside of that is sham - that is until Ondo opts out of Nigeria, and establishes its own independent government under the monarchy of the Deji. I have told you that I'm not taken by this "Eze Igbo" nonsense. I prefer the more democratically elected Presidents of the Igbo Unions, but I still insist that even they, have a right to their madness, for as long as they do not break any laws. If the so-called "Eze Igbo" in Akure went to Deji in Akure to seek legitimacy, that is his ignorant business, because, all the legitimacy he needs has already been offered to him in the Nigerian constitution. He does not need the affirmation of the Deji of Akure, to be "Eze Igbo" in Akure, or to be "Gaaga L'ogwu of Ondo" for that matter. I salute you.

Obi Nwakanma

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[Joe Attueyi]

Under our Federal Constitution, we have three legislative competence lists.  They are: 

1.  The Exclusive List; 
2.  The Concurrent List; and 
3.  The Residual List. 

IBK

For my education, Which schedule  of the constitution deals with 'The Residual List'?

Joe
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[rotfash]

Thank you IBK

 As an Akure son, I align myself (Spirit, Soul and Body) with the view espoused by my Elder, Dr Wumi Akintide. Nothing can be added or removed from his well reasoned position. 

My paternal grandmother, Yeye Aderonsoye, was the head of the princesses and nee Adesida.

My paternal grandfather was of the Elemo Oshodi chieftaincy house.

The Deji of Akure has the backing of all Akure sons and daughters , everywhere humans exist!

Rotimi Fashakin.

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[Vin Otuonye]

Joe:
 
I don't know about any Residual list. This is how people make things to suit themselves. The Residual list he talked about is probably things not mentioned or stated in the Exclusive and Concurrent list. However, note this is his make-up.
 
On this Deji of Akure thing, I don't believe in Eze Ndigbo outside Igbo land. Anyone that is drunk and want to be worshipped, either in Igbo land or outside Igbo land, should get a life. Ndigbo don't worship any man. We leave that to others.
 
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye
 

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[Wharfery Snake]

"Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia." - IBK of Chagga

The above currently exists. They are everywhere and that includes NYC, Atlanta, Accra, Ghana, and even in Jerusalem. I have not read of one in Mecca though.

WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin.

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[afis 'Deinde]

Calling yourself "Eze Igbo" with no visible domain, in another man's territory and pointing your finger in the man's face on his own land, can only buy Igbos grief of a lifetime.

I don't stay in the beginning, I don't participate in the middle of any argument, I just go to the end of a discourse with impending fracas.
Once I told the Mumuigbos on this forum that Ladipo market will be history, they laff-ed, some Igbos laff so tay, they choked on their vomit. Is Ladipo market still standing?
If there is one thing Democracy has done right, it is the handing over authority to the indigenes.
Yoruba people at a juncture will abruptly determine the Final Fate of Igbos among them, be it thru state regulations and state legislations of what constitute punishable offenses against traditional kingship, who owns and controls traditional markets such as Adesida-Akure historical market, Akesan market etc.
These are areas that need to be legally defined by our State lawmakers.

I know how it always end for Igbos.
It never ends well for Igbos, this is not "odera".
Shikena

Afis
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[Afis Deinde]

Calling yourself "Eze Igbo" with no visible domain, in another man's territory and pointing your finger in the man's face on his own land, can only buy Igbos grief of a lifetime.

I don't stay in the beginning, I don't participate in the middle of any argument, I just go to the end of a discourse with impending fracas.
Once I told the Mumuigbos on this forum that Ladipo market will be history, they laff-ed, some Igbos laff so tay, they choked on their vomit. Is Ladipo market still standing?
If there is one thing Democracy has done right, it is the handing over authority to the indigenes.
Yoruba people at a juncture will abruptly determine the Final Fate of Igbos among them, be it thru state regulations and state legislations of what constitute punishable offenses against traditional kingship, who owns and controls traditional markets such as Adesida-Akure historical market, Akesan market etc.
These are areas that need to be legally defined by our State lawmakers.

I know how it always end for Igbos.
It never ends well for Igbos, this is not "odera".

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Joseph Igietseme]

"""In the third and final list the residual list are matters that are related to the heritage and traditions of the people that is the sole preserve of the local people and their state and local government administration.  That is where this Eze Igbo matter falls.  The Deji of Akure is the paramount traditional ruler in his kingdom and he can legally allow or dismiss any other king ruling in that kingdom especially an alien king.......The Deji of Akure has the powers to deny any mushroom king within his domain and he has done so! """...Unquote IBK!

Thanks IBK for once again validating JUI's mindset, that the concepts in most professions [law, medicine, accounts etc] are anchored on Commonsense, which may not be not appear Common on the face valuation. Take care. JUI [wondering where IBK has been hiding in Arusha Tanzania!]

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[Joseph Igietseme]

"""And to JUI: the word "tradition" is often the recourse of the villain and the right wing. The idea of a "traditional authority" in an urbanizing society is sham. The Deji of Akure is by the very implication of Nigeria's constitution that vests all civil authority on an elected government and in courts established by acts of parliament, a sham institution, with no enforceable powers. His rights to his "tradition" does not obscure the rights of others in the same environment, deriving the same status under the law as citizens, to express their own "traditions." The only owner of the "territory" in which Ondo exists today is the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and so any claim to territoriality or a distinct "geography" outside of that is sham - that is until Ondo opts out of Nigeria, and establishes its own independent government under the monarchy of the Deji..... If the so-called "Eze Igbo" in Akure went to Deji in Akure to seek legitimacy, that is his ignorant business, because, all the legitimacy he needs has already been offered to him in the Nigerian constitution. He does not need the affirmation of the Deji of Akure, to be "Eze Igbo" in Akure, or to be "Gaaga L'ogwu of Ondo" for that matter."""....Unquote Prof Obi Nwakanma!

Prof Nwakanma, 

First of all, I dont think you can still maintain the above viewpoint, equating the authority of the Deji of Akure in his ancestral domain with the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure in a foreign land, after the lucid constitutional clarification and certification of the indigenous traditional authority, offered by IBK this morning!

Secondly, you should realize that despite the accommodation of all citizens under one national umbrella and constitution, the authorities of native American Indian Chiefs are revered and preserved in their domains in the United States; similarly, the traditional authorities [or as revised/adopted] of the Royalties [kings/queens] of all European and South African domains are protected by the laws of the land. While the rights all citizens are sacred in a nation's constitution, with freedom of association and grouping guaranteed anywhere in a nation, no nation's laws allow the implantation of a foreign traditional authority in a domain without the consent of the indigenous traditional authority. JUI believe you should know this reality more than most of us here, so that cuckoo-heads like Vin, Colly etc can learn something for a change and in place of their stark ignorance on Nigerian issues! Oooops!! Take care. JUI [ducking! Hahahaha!!]

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First to my brother, Gibson Chigbu: I understand your skepticism about the rule of law and the use of the courts. It is of course well-founded. But the march of history is inevitable. As time goes on, and with greater pressure, these courts will provide protection. Now, some troglodyte is talking about "burning" Igbo "palaces" an driving the Igbo from Akure, or Ondo generally as if the Igbo themselves do not know how to burn palaces in Akure if it comes to that. But it is all "ma gbe e l'ese!" talk and deserves very little consideration. The Igbo are in sufficient number in Akure to seek the courts to enforce their legal rights, and persist, until that right is enforced. That is the way people have always obtained justice in history. They compel, through persistence, the courts to act. It does not come very easily.

And to JUI: the word "tradition" is often the recourse of the villain and the right wing. The idea of a "traditional authority" in an urbanizing society is sham. The Deji of Akure is by the very implication of Nigeria's constitution that vests all civil authority on an elected government and in courts established by acts of parliament, a sham institution, with no enforceable powers. His rights to his "tradition" does not obscure the rights of others in the same environment, deriving the same status under the law as citizens, to express their own "traditions." The only owner of the "territory" in which Ondo exists today is the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and so any claim to territoriality or a distinct "geography" outside of that is sham - that is until Ondo opts out of Nigeria, and establishes its own independent government under the monarchy of the Deji. I have told you that I'm not taken by this "Eze Igbo" nonsense. I prefer the more democratically elected Presidents of the Igbo Unions, but I still insist that even they, have a right to their madness, for as long as they do not break any laws. If the so-called "Eze Igbo" in Akure went to Deji in Akure to seek legitimacy, that is his ignorant business, because, all the legitimacy he needs has already been offered to him in the Nigerian constitution. He does not need the affirmation of the Deji of Akure, to be "Eze Igbo" in Akure, or to be "Gaaga L'ogwu of Ondo" for that matter. I salute you.

Obi Nwakanma

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Prof Nwakanma, 
As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, traditional authority is ALWAYS anchored on a geographical location or domain, although traditions can be practiced and tolerated in several places than the homeland because they don't exert the authorities in those foreign lands; it just a personal issue. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Eze of Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain in a foreign land! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! The reality is that any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! Immigrant can practice their traditions to the extent that the practices don't conflict with the rules of traditional authorities of the indigenes. If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be no indigeneship issues in Nigeria; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship in any traditional domain will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI

[Ayo Ojutalayo]

The bottom line is that Igbos are always at loggerheads with their hosts/host-communities! This happens in and outside Nigeria. Until Obi Nwakanma and others that encourage Igbos' misbehavior outside Igboland repent, the misbehavior will continue. Unfortunately, the consequences are not always palatable for Igbos.  Ayo Ojutalayo Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"afis 'Deinde" <odide...@gmail.com> Date:Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:27 am Subject:Re: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

Calling yourself "Eze Igbo" with no visible domain, in another man's territory and pointing your finger in the man's face on his own land, can only buy Igbos grief of a lifetime. I don't stay in the beginning, I don't participate in the middle of any argument, I just go to the end of a discourse with impending fracas. Once I told the Mumuigbos on this forum that Ladipo market will be history, they laff-ed, some Igbos laff so tay, they choked on their vomit. Is Ladipo market still standing? If there is one thing Democracy has done right, it is the handing over authority to the indigenes. Yoruba people at a juncture will abruptly determine the Final Fate of Igbos among them, be it thru state regulations and state legislations of what constitute punishable offenses against traditional kingship, who owns and controls traditional markets such as Adesida-Akure historical market, Akesan market etc. These are areas that need to be legally defined by our State lawmakers. I know how it always end for Igbos. It never ends well for Igbos, this is not "odera". Shikena Afis “Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:57 AM, 'Wharfery Snake' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > "Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia." - IBK of Chagga > > The above currently exists. They are everywhere and that includes NYC, Atlanta, Accra, Ghana, and even in Jerusalem. I have not read of one in Mecca though. > > WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Vin Otuonye <vincent...@msn.com> wrote: >> >> Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AfricanWorldForum" group.

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Joseph,

I left Arusha in 2010 and since been to Khartoum and I am now in Juba, South Sudan.  Now that Buhari is in post, my work is half done and I do not need to bandy words with dolts on these forums any longer!

Lest I forget well done on your hard work on Ebola!

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Prof Nwakanma,
As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, traditional authority is ALWAYS anchored on a geographical location or domain, although traditions can be practiced and tolerated in several places than the homeland because they don't exert the authorities in those foreign lands; it just a personal issue. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Eze of Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain in a foreign land! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! The reality is that any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! Immigrant can practice their traditions to the extent that the practices don't conflict with the rules of traditional authorities of the indigenes. If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be no indigeneship issues in Nigeria; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship in any traditional domain will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:26 PM, 'Afis Deinde' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

These guys blow too much Turenchi.

When the stupid man was decked and chased out of the palace, none of these Turenchi throwers went to rescue him.
When his "palace" will burn down and his Igbos chased out of Akure, I pray Obi Nwakanma be there to burn along!

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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Prof Nwakanma,
As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, tradition authority is ALWAYS anchored on a location or domain, although traditions can be practiced in several places. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! Any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be indigeneship issues; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI
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On Oct 15, 2015 7:26 PM, "'gibsoncee' via NaijaEvent" <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Obi:

I love reading from you but this one is what an friend will call fafi. I say this with the simple authority of all the wars that have taken place and currently taking place in so many Igbo towns fighting and killing each other over autonomous communities creation and crowning of non governmental recognition. 

The so many heads of several Igbo unions of the n past co-exist ed with their host without problems.  Our Igbo towns have been mapped out by the Huasuas and Hausa enclaves created, their heads or chairmen known but none has gone to build palaces as Dankasa of Eziachi or of Nsu or Obinze. 

Finally, I ask you which court? You need to go back,  you have stayed here too long. When they finish with our man, no one will want to be Eze Igbo in Akure again. 

Did you hear about the Abubeoki of Ife again? By the way did he return after he flee. Have they buried the Ooni yet?

Have a great day. 

Gibson C Chigbu 

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JUI, for as long as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice. Akure is increasingly a city catering to a vast number of people other than the original Ondo. These groups have a right to their organizations. The civil law under which the Deji operates is the local government or municipal law, and the head of the Ondo local government is the duly elected chairman, under whose mayoral powers, with the acquiesence of the elected councilors, supersedes any pretentions the Deji of Akure may have with regards to power. Nigeria, as a REPUBLIC, does not operate under a monarchy. Nigerians living in Ondo, do not answer to the Deji of Akure. They answer to the Constitution of the Republic. The Deji must desist from this harassment, and should be taken to court, to effect an interlocutory injunction, against any interference in the pursuit of Igbo residents of Ondo to organize themselves by every legal means. I personally do not subscribe to the "Eze Igbo" idea, but we must also know that the word "Eze" in Igbo does not mean "King." In this case, it means "leader of the Igbo" in Akure. They have a right to organize themselves under any leadership they elect. The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law. I hope the Igbo in Akure prepare for a long court battle on this issue.

Obi Nwakanma

 

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I dont think you can still maintain the above viewpoint, equating the authority of the Deji of Akure in his ancestral domain with the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure in a foreign land, after the lucid constitutional clarification and certification of the indigenous traditional authority, offered by IBK this morning!

Dr JUI

Just for education purposes, I have asked IBK to provide the section or schedule of the Nigerian constitution on which he based his 'lucid constitutional clarification and certification ' and he has done fiam!

I don't think IBK knows what he is talking about. Schedule of the Nigerian constitution has no Residual List. 

Joe

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Hahaha. ..!
IBK, what are you for allover African countries? Are you retired!  Send me a flight ticket to visit you when y're in Nairobi Kenya or Johannesburg SA. Take care. JUI

[Rex Marinus]

JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.

Obi Nwakanma

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Joe (the fake prosperity pente-rascal Pastor),

Are you a lawyer?  The last time I engaged with you, if my memory serves me well you were a fake Pastor.  The fact that the Constitution did not list residual powers does not mean they do not exist.  Vin Otunonye the jailbird was succinct in his intervention.  Whatever is not contained in the Exclusive and Concurrent Lists are the Residual powers (or List) and they can not be exhaustively listed in any Constitution!

Lawyers know them and can define them.  Now let me turn the table on you.  Where in Schedule II of the Constitution resides the power to make laws on Chieftaincy Affairs?  Since you are so familiar with the Constitution tell us.

The point is that Igbos have no Kings, but since the colonial Warrant Chiefs Ordinance of Eastern Region (take note it was to create for the Igbo was was anathema to their culture in the Eastern Region) they have lapped it up and started bastardizing the concept all over the world as is typical of people with limited thinking and lacking in critical judgement.  You will not only carry a king from your autonomous community you will carry your shrines and Dibias and the Obis built by your ancestors along too!

Look concentrate on your fake prosperity pastoring and let us rest here.

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Subject: [Spam] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

I dont think you can still maintain the above viewpoint, equating the authority of the Deji of Akure in his ancestral domain with the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure in a foreign land, after the lucid constitutional clarification and certification of the indigenous traditional authority, offered by IBK this morning!

Dr JUI

Just for education purposes, I have asked IBK to provide the section or schedule of the Nigerian constitution on which he based his 'lucid constitutional clarification and certification ' and he has done fiam!

I don't think IBK knows what he is talking about. Schedule of the Nigerian constitution has no Residual List. 

Joe

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On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

"""And to JUI: the word "tradition" is often the recourse of the villain and the right wing. The idea of a "traditional authority" in an urbanizing society is sham. The Deji of Akure is by the very implication of Nigeria's constitution that vests all civil authority on an elected government and in courts established by acts of parliament, a sham institution, with no enforceable powers. His rights to his "tradition" does not obscure the rights of others in the same environment, deriving the same status under the law as citizens, to express their own "traditions." The only owner of the "territory" in which Ondo exists today is the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and so any claim to territoriality or a distinct "geography" outside of that is sham - that is until Ondo opts out of Nigeria, and establishes its own independent government under the monarchy of the Deji..... If the so-called "Eze Igbo" in Akure went to Deji in Akure to seek legitimacy, that is his ignorant business, because, all the legitimacy he needs has already been offered to him in the Nigerian constitution. He does not need the affirmation of the Deji of Akure, to be "Eze Igbo" in Akure, or to be "Gaaga L'ogwu of Ondo" for that matter."""....Unquote Prof Obi Nwakanma!

Prof Nwakanma, 

First of all, I dont think you can still maintain the above viewpoint, equating the authority of the Deji of Akure in his ancestral domain with the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure in a foreign land, after the lucid constitutional clarification and certification of the indigenous traditional authority, offered by IBK this morning!

Secondly, you should realize that despite the accommodation of all citizens under one national umbrella and constitution, the authorities of native American Indian Chiefs are revered and preserved in their domains in the United States; similarly, the traditional authorities [or as revised/adopted] of the Royalties [kings/queens] of all European and South African domains are protected by the laws of the land. While the rights all citizens are sacred in a nation's constitution, with freedom of association and grouping guaranteed anywhere in a nation, no nation's laws allow the implantation of a foreign traditional authority in a domain without the consent of the indigenous traditional authority. JUI believe you should know this reality more than most of us here, so that cuckoo-heads like Vin, Colly etc can learn something for a change and in place of their stark ignorance on Nigerian issues! Oooops!! Take care. JUI [ducking! Hahahaha!!]

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First to my brother, Gibson Chigbu: I understand your skepticism about the rule of law and the use of the courts. It is of course well-founded. But the march of history is inevitable. As time goes on, and with greater pressure, these courts will provide protection. Now, some troglodyte is talking about "burning" Igbo "palaces" an driving the Igbo from Akure, or Ondo generally as if the Igbo themselves do not know how to burn palaces in Akure if it comes to that. But it is all "ma gbe e l'ese!" talk and deserves very little consideration. The Igbo are in sufficient number in Akure to seek the courts to enforce their legal rights, and persist, until that right is enforced. That is the way people have always obtained justice in history. They compel, through persistence, the courts to act. It does not come very easily.

And to JUI: the word "tradition" is often the recourse of the villain and the right wing. The idea of a "traditional authority" in an urbanizing society is sham. The Deji of Akure is by the very implication of Nigeria's constitution that vests all civil authority on an elected government and in courts established by acts of parliament, a sham institution, with no enforceable powers. His rights to his "tradition" does not obscure the rights of others in the same environment, deriving the same status under the law as citizens, to express their own "traditions." The only owner of the "territory" in which Ondo exists today is the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and so any claim to territoriality or a distinct "geography" outside of that is sham - that is until Ondo opts out of Nigeria, and establishes its own independent government under the monarchy of the Deji. I have told you that I'm not taken by this "Eze Igbo" nonsense. I prefer the more democratically elected Presidents of the Igbo Unions, but I still insist that even they, have a right to their madness, for as long as they do not break any laws. If the so-called "Eze Igbo" in Akure went to Deji in Akure to seek legitimacy, that is his ignorant business, because, all the legitimacy he needs has already been offered to him in the Nigerian constitution. He does not need the affirmation of the Deji of Akure, to be "Eze Igbo" in Akure, or to be "Gaaga L'ogwu of Ondo" for that matter. I salute you.

Obi Nwakanma

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Prof Nwakanma, 

As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, traditional authority is ALWAYS anchored on a geographical location or domain, although traditions can be practiced and tolerated in several places than the homeland because they don't exert the authorities in those foreign lands; it just a personal issue. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Eze of Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain in a foreign land! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! The reality is that any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! Immigrant can practice their traditions to the extent that the practices don't conflict with the rules of traditional authorities of the indigenes. If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be no indigeneship issues in Nigeria; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship in any traditional domain will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Gen Ishola,
Biko tell IBK to send 2 send of tickets, one to Juba (Gen Williams) and the other to Nairobi (JUI). He can afford them....hahaha! Take care.  JUI

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[Ibukunolu Alao Babajide]

General Sir!

I married a young woman in Arusha and made young babies, so I can not afford to send tickets to you and Joe Igietseme who instead of Juba wants to come on Safari to Nairobi deadlocked by incessant traffic jams!  I am planning my retirement strategy even though I have a few more years of service left.

As far as talking is concerned, Baba Obasanjo is doing some serious talking.  Likewise so many concerned world leaders!  I am sure yours will be surplus to requirement.

Have a great day sir!

[Ishola Williams]

IBK,THank you. Congrats for increasing the Global Population.

It is good that OBJ is doing a great job there but Mr Kir keep coming up with new moves,like extending his mandate,creating new sates with a presidential decree  and give it one month lapse for the National Assembly to amend the constitution..

It is becoming an interesting case study and Mr Kir is always ready for Brinmanship even with Museveni's Forces pulling out.

You have an interesting strory to write after your time there.

GOOD LUCK SIR WITH YOUR PATIENT WIFE.

I may come to Juba with AU Ecosocc peace and Security Cluster.iw

[Ibukunolu Alao Babajide]

Obi Nwakanma,

You are the master of obfuscation.  Tell us what law governs the Eze Igbo Akure Issue?  You first ran under the banner of freedom of association and who told you anyone stopped Igbo associating in Akure?  The have been doing so for over 100 years!  You fall flat on your sorry Igbo arse on that score.

Then you came under the corporation laws, why are they not applying to the Corporate Affairs Commission for registration?

The word foreign here is used in a limited way to denote cultural practices indigenous to Akure and environs.  Can three Yoruba people go to Okija and want one of them to be the Oba Yoruba of Okija?  In matters of Eze or Igwe, the Igbo culture with their Ononwu and Indichie and the shrines and gods like Amadioha and symbols like Offor etc are foreign.  They have no place within Yoruba Akure culture.

Twist and wriggle as much as you wish.  You have picked a tall one here and your feeble teeth will break rather than chew this hard hide successfully.

Cheers.

IBK

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Subject: [Spam] RE: [Spam] [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.

Obi Nwakanma

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[Ibukunolu Alao Babajide]

General sir!

You are very knowledgeable about the issues here but they are deep, layered and complex sir!  Mr President is constrained to play his cards the way he is playing them sir and the opposition too are doing their best to topple him.  Like in all African conflicts and you have been closer to many than little me, the issues are deep and the innocent children and women are the victims.

When I joined the UN in 1998 in Kigali a friend's dad told me in Lagos that he was sent to Burundi in the early 60's to help.  You see in 2015 how Nkurunziza who must have been a boy then has inherited and compounded the Burundi conflicts.  Baba Obasanjo was in Congo and till tomorrow the UN Mission in Congo is a huge operation.  Look at CAR and the vicious struggle there.  Not to mention Somalia and Libya and Western Sahara.  These African conflicts seem intractable but we must persevere in seeking workable solutions to them.

I will share some titbits with you sir!

Cheers.

IBK

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IBK,THank you. Congrats for increasing the Global Population.

It is good that OBJ is doing a great job there but Mr Kir keep coming up with new moves,like extending his mandate,creating new sates with a presidential decree  and give it one month lapse for the National Assembly to amend the constitution..

It is becoming an interesting case study and Mr Kir is always ready for Brinmanship even with Museveni's Forces pulling out.

You have an interesting strory to write after your time there.

GOOD LUCK SIR WITH YOUR PATIENT WIFE.

I may come to Juba with AU Ecosocc peace and Security Cluster.iw

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General Sir!

I married a young woman in Arusha and made young babies, so I can not afford to send tickets to you and Joe Igietseme who instead of Juba wants to come on Safari to Nairobi deadlocked by incessant traffic jams!  I am planning my retirement strategy even though I have a few more years of service left.

As far as talking is concerned, Baba Obasanjo is doing some serious talking.  Likewise so many concerned world leaders!  I am sure yours will be surplus to requirement.

Have a great day sir!

IBK

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JUI,IBK WILL BE WORKING FOR  AN INTERNATIONAL NGO OR ORGANISATION.WHY NOT JUBA FOR ADVENTURE AND PEACEMAKING?

IF HE SENDS ME A TICKET, I WILL GO TO JUBA FOR YOU.TO TALK TO MR KIR WHO NEEDS TALKI NG BECAUSE HE IS NOT SMART.

LESSONS TO BE LEARNT FROM SOUTH SUDAN ON SWEEPING TEETHING PROBLEMS UNDER THE CARPET HOPING THAT BREAKAWAYS WITH TIME WILL DO THE TRICK.iw

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[Ishola Williams]

IBK<thank you.I will go through them and share my own ideas with you.

I was   a member of the UN Panel of Experts on Iran from 2010 to 2014 based in New York..

We visited over 50 countries and we were exposed to high level selfish political power play in the name of National Interest under the cover  of Global Stability(PEACE does not make sense anymore) and Security.

In addition African Conflicts Actors  have no respect for African Mediators  except those backed by the USA and EU.Then you get to the Security Council,what makes sense becomes political nonsence.

Let me stop now until I read the documents.iw

[Leye Ige]

This will also show those Yoruba on the "Southern" train that southern this and that is all crap. Soon, attempts would be made trying to differentiate between Igbo "internet warriors" and those "on ground" that the warriors do not represent those on ground--yet what we have here is the absolute support by the warriors for those on ground; and this will not be the first time such an attempt would be made in Yorubaland--yet the Akotileta gang wanted them to have political power with Jo-na-tan at the center. It can only be imagined what will be happening had their electoral gambit succeeded in Lagos and Osun. So, what will Afenifere and its Akotileta gang now do? Would they have the courage to speak up? Or it is only when "Fulani herdsmen" commit their own that all hell should break loose? Abi there is a difference between herdsmen rampage and non-Yoruba(specifically Igbo) claiming territorial rights in Yorubaland, even with attempts at couching it in
Constitutional terms?
If anything, this is a further clarion call for bury the Akotileta once and for all---Ehinkule ni ota wa, inu ile ni aseni n gbe.
Leye Ige


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Date: Friday, October 16, 2015, 8:48 AM

Calling yourself "Eze Igbo" with no
visible domain, in another man's territory and pointing
your finger in the man's face on his own land, can only
buy Igbos grief of a lifetime.

I don't stay in the beginning, I don't participate
in the middle of any argument, I just go to the end of a
discourse with impending fracas.
Once I told the Mumuigbos on this forum that Ladipo market
will be history, they laff-ed, some Igbos laff so tay, they
choked on their vomit. Is Ladipo market still standing?
If there is one thing Democracy has done right, it is the
handing over authority to the indigenes.
Yoruba people at a juncture will abruptly determine the
Final Fate of Igbos among them, be it thru state regulations
and state legislations of what constitute punishable
offenses against traditional kingship, who owns and controls
traditional markets such as Adesida-Akure historical market,
Akesan market etc.
These are areas that need to be legally defined by our State
lawmakers.

I know how it always end for Igbos.
It never ends well for Igbos, this is not
"odera".

Afis“Just as a solid rock
is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not
affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse
81.
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On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Vin Otuonye <vincent...@msn.com>
wrote:

Joe:
 
I don't know about any Residual list. This is how people
make things to suit themselves. The Residual list he
talked about is probably things not mentioned or stated in
the Exclusive and Concurrent list. However, note this
is his make-up.
 
On this Deji of Akure thing, I don't believe in Eze
Ndigbo outside Igbo land. Anyone that is drunk and want to
be worshipped, either in Igbo land or outside Igbo land,
should get a life. Ndigbo don't worship any man. We
leave that to others.
 
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye
 

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Under our Federal Constitution, we have three
legislative competence lists.  They are: 

1.  The Exclusive List; 
2.  The Concurrent List; and 
3.  The Residual
List. 

IBKFor my education,

Which schedule  of the constitution deals with 'The
Residual List'?
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[Chukwuma S. Agwunobi]

Folks:

 

Can someone tell me the last time he/she read articles from ABIKUNOLA? As for me, it is been over 3 years I last read from him.

 

Please let nobody accuse me of picking on him or I just like to torment him because of the way he spent 14 years doing 4 years LLB at UNIFE.

 

No my people, Abikunola is a Chronic womanizer and he can’t help himself about it. He falls in LOVE too quick and that is why he has no Savings in the Bank.

 

Let nobody be deceived that he is writing about Eze Igbo of Akure. That is not what made Abikunola to break his silence.

 

I am telling you people now as someone who know him for almost 15 years that Abikunola broke his silence to write because he read Jennifer, Janet, Jane or Joan mail about Oshimole Loan.

 

He wants her to know that he is well and alive and hasn’t forgotten her. He has secret crush on Jennifer, Janet, Jane or Joan. He keeps seeing Jennifer, Janet, Jane or Joan in his dream. I have never seen such kind of guy who will fall in LOVE through picture?

 

Can anybody tell me what and why Abikunola have to dump all the nonsense below on our head?

 

If he knew all these jaga, jagas below, how come he never won any case even in Customary Courts?

 

Dear Joe: Obi Nwakanma yet again allows his ethnic Igbo revanchist blinkers to deny him good reason or legal accuracy. Under our Federal Constitution, we have three legislative competence lists.  They are:

1.  The Exclusive List;
2.  The Concurrent List; and
3.  The Residual List.

 

Don’t say I told you, Abikunola will soon start attacking Josef Stalin Igietseme over the Edo Oshimole Loan to impress Jennifer, Janet, Jane or Joan and win her but it will never happen.

 

Lookia Abikunola, I want you to take style and corner, corner withdraw that trash above.

 

And with this, I rest my case.

 

Chukwuma "Vicious Animal" Agwunobi

Seattle, Washington U. S. A

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ARG calls for de-recognition of Eze Ndigbo titles
The Afenifere Renewal Group has denounced the unrelenting desecration of Yoruba culture, particularly by the Igbo communities’ obsession with having a crowned king in Yoruba domains.
The group’s publicity secretary, Kunle Famoriyo, said this has been communicated as unacceptable but it has obviously been falling on deaf ears as this acrimonious relationship reared its ugly head again in Akure, the domain of one of our foremost Yoruba monarchs, the Deji of Akure.
In a statement released on Friday, Famoriyo said the title of Eze Ndigbo in Yorubaland is not backed by any customary law and is therefore considered alien.
“The evolution of this structure has forced us to consider it as an expansionist agenda as the structure is only rampant in Yorubaland,” the statement said.
“In Akure, the “Eze” believes he now has the power to invest people with chieftaincy titles that are traditional to Yoruba kingship system. In Lagos State, there is an Eze Ndigbo of Lagos, as well as for each of the 57 local government areas. There are reports that we now even have Eze Ndigbo of some neighbourhoods in Lagos.”
“What used to be were development unions and associations of Igbo people living in Yorubaland. Almost all Igbo community with sizeable number of indigenes living in Yorubaland have a development union or association. These associations are welcome and supported, being organisations set up to discuss the welfare of their members.”
“However, the manner this idea of “Eze Ndigbo” sprouted and started spreading connotes territorial influence and even ownership. This practice has continued to stretch the tolerant nature of Yoruba people to the limit and it appears the eventual aim of its perpetrators is to stretch this beautiful culture of Yorubas to the breaking point.”
“This is something that Yoruba people living away from Yorubaland do not even think of, and we therefore see no reason why migrants living in Yorubaland should not know their boundaries.”
“Consequently, ARG calls on all Yoruba traditional rulers and the executive heads of government at state and local levels governors to de-recognise all customary titles that are not backed by our customs, particularly those that they did not confer, and we enjoin those parading themselves as holders of such titles to drop them in the spirit of peaceful coexistence.”
“It is globally accepted that there cannot be two kings in the same domain as there cannot be two captains in the same boat.”

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[Chiwuikem Ihediwa]

Umunnakwe that is not true. You are very wrong. Nigeria does not operate or run under tribal/customary/cultural laws rather a civil constitution which allows all freedom of movement, expression and association among others. No Nigerian is foreign in any part of Nigeria. Any person can come to Onitsha and establish his/her association/trade and be what ever he/she wants to be within his/her association and nothing do he. The Deji does not have any constitutional powers period in Nigeria so also is the Obi of Onitsha or the Saduna of Sokoto. I hope I am clear. Eze Igbo in Akure is just a ceremonial thing and it is unfortunate that people are taking these institutions that the Federal constitution has rendered useless so seriously.
 
The Oni of Ife, the Oba of Lagos, the Oba of Benin, the Emir of Gwadangwuri, Kano  etc. are all useless as far as the Nigerian constitution is concerned, they do not have any role to play, zilch, zero. They are there for decorations period, Nigeria does not recognize institutional monarch.
 
Chiwuikem
 

 

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:37:57 -0400
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
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Mr. Ihediwa, please do not start a war you know you will never win. If an Igbo man in Akure found it  hard to adhere to the rules of Deji of  Akure he can leave and go some where else. They should never  be two  kings in one traditional enclave.

In Onitsha, there is only one Obi of Onitsha and we should not tolerate another Deji in Onitsha having the same power and leverage with Obi of Onitsha. If there is one he or she must respect the Obi and must take order from Obi of Onitsha or he or she can pack up and leave.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Chiwuikem Ihediwa <chiw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Deji of Akure does not have any right to rule ndi Igbo in Akure period. If ndi Igbo in Akure wants a leader, they should select one from amongst them who is qualified to rule them. The Deji may not be qualified by Igbo standard.
The Eze Igbo should go to court if molested by any idiot in Akure, it is his right. One Nigeria.
 
Chiwuikem
 

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[afis]

"The Oni of Ife, the Oba of Lagos, the Oba of Benin, the Emir of Gwadangwuri, Kano  etc. are all useless as far as the Nigerian constitution is concerned, they do not have any role to play, zilch, zero. They are there for decorations period, Nigeria does not recognize institutional monarch.".....Chiwuikem Ihediwa, The Abobaku of Oyo.

Chiwuikem wants to erase the traditional stool of the Alafin of Oyo.  As the Abobaku-designate, Ihediwa wants to stay alive!

Shikena

afis  

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 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

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[afis]

 Kingdom of Oyotunji African Village Sheldon, South Carolina The Kingdom of Oyotunji African Village covers 27 acres and has, well, we don't know exactly how many citizens (5 to 9 families in the last ten years, according to one tipster). Oyotunji is not part of the United States, according to King (Oba) Ofuntola Oseijeman Adelabu Adefunmi I, who founded it in 1970 and moved it to its present site near Sheldon because its old neighbors complained about the tourists. Oyotunji literature pictures its happy residents dressed in colorful, flowing robes. On our brief visit we saw only people dressed like average South Carolinians. But the people of Oyotunji do live in the woods, surrounded by exotic concrete monuments, and they have a royal palace. In its courtyard stands the mausoleum of Orisamola Awolowo, one of the founding fathers of Oyotunji, who died in 1990.

  Adesoye Adeyini wrote to us: "His Royal Highness, Oba Adefunmi I (iba ara torun, roughly translated as 'rest in peace') joined the ancestors on February 11, 2005.

In Yoruba culture, the king is not announced as dead, but as having 'gone up the ceiling' (Oba wo aja).

"It is important to note that the Oba was the first African-American to ever be initiated into the priesthood and initiation cult of any African traditional religion. Furthermore, he did not start his own religion and there is no separation between Yoruba culture and religion... the religion is one part of the whole culture. Religion, arts, philosophy, etc. are all things that create culture." Kingdom of Oyotunji African Village - See more at: Kingdom of Oyotunji African Village, Sheldon, South Carolina

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Shikena

afis 

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From: Imperial <imperi...@yahoo.com>
 Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

Over 35 years ago, I was told about a place in South Carolina with a Yoruba King called Oyotunde. It's not a new settlement .

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On 16 Oct 2015, at 00:05, vincent modebelu <vin_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I did hear of a Yoruba community in South Carolina who claim to have a leader who reportedly got his crown from the great Alaafin of Oyo. They operate in private, however, and they have never sought any public or official recognition like the so-called “Eze Ndigbo of Akure has done by going ahead to build himself a Palace and by claiming some parity with the Deji  of Akure, the preeminent ruler of the Kingdom.

 The head of every hausa community in EASTERN CITIES is called SAKARI

 

 Note

Alagba akintide.

My stand..

No Useless Oba  [ as said by my friend for now asiwaju...on this issue only], No smaller Deji  that pour wata on his wife for liking younger men...must touch an IGBO son ..no matter what title he decides to put on his head.

Emir  + Saraki + Oba + Deji + Beli + Lamido +Saludo of adamawa roaming in Nigeria.

Look at how many people trying to replace the ooni.

IGBO should go and buy that Title.

We own that country.

All these things called Titles are for sell.
They are not worth anything across the Niger.

There are more chiefs and Nzes in the East than all Africa combined.

Remember..Akure is IGBO land

I rest my case.

vin.....///

....Born to tell the truth

....they are listening indeed
... thick walls will  fall

[Chiwuikem Ihediwa]

Ayo, the problem you have is your inability to accept facts as they are. The Igbo man in Africa is better that a white man in Africa. It is left to Africans (yorubas included) to accept the Igbo man or the White man. I will remind you of Rhodesia, and Apartheid South African before you make your pick.
 
Chiwuikem
 

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[Leye Ige]

"The Oni of Ife, the Oba of Lagos, the Oba of Benin, the Emir of Gwadangwuri, Kano etc. are all useless as far as the Nigerian constitution is concerned, they do not have any role to play, zilch, zero. They are there for decorations period, Nigeria does not recognize institutional monarch."---Chiwuikem


The Nigerian Constitution is a reflection of WHO the Nigerian is. The "Nigerian" did NOT drop from the sky; rather he/she, being of ANY of the Ethno-Nationalities, and DULY represented by a/some representatives, CONSENT to live together, hence the Constitution. Leaving aside the truthfulness or otherwise of the 1999 Constitution which started by saying "WE, THE PEOPLE", which was NOT the case, a Constitution would NOT exist OUTSIDE the PEOPLE it is meant to guide, in this case, the Ooni, the Oba of Benin , Emir of Kano, which can only be denied ONLY IF the Yoruba, the Edo or the Hausa-Fulani REJECT THEM. As long as these Nationalities, individually or corporately still SUBSCRIBE to the AUTHORITY of these Institutions, NO CONSTITUTION can wish it away--which was even why the Constitution was UNABLE to FORMALLY declare them irrelevant. So, if you want a country or a situation whereby these institutions are for "decorations" there MUST be a FORMAL
CONSTITUTIONAL expression, both in form and content. In that case, such a Constitution would be based on "Nigerians" outside the context of their Ethno-Nationality. So, first, you can start by removing the Federal Character principle, the requirement of having one minister from each state, even the requirement for state creation, the removal of customary and sharia courts etc etc in short, DE-ETHNICIZE the Constitution to which representatives of "Nigerians" would have to consent to. So then, there will be no Yoruba or Igbo or Edo or Fulani representatives--then let's see HOW FAR you will go with that denial. Also, remember that YOU come from a background claiming no "traditional institution" NOW trying to tell others who CHERISH such institutions that they are "USELESS"--and YOU want a Constitution that subscribes to YOUR own worldview to prevail among them?
Leye Ige


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#yiv8805852358 Umunnakwe that is

not true. You are very wrong. Nigeria does not operate or
run under tribal/customary/cultural laws rather a civil
constitution which allows all freedom of movement,
expression and association among others. No Nigerian is
foreign in any part of Nigeria. Any person can come to
Onitsha and establish his/her association/trade and be what
ever he/she wants to be within his/her association and
nothing do he. The Deji does not have any constitutional
powers period in Nigeria so also is the Obi of Onitsha or
the Saduna of Sokoto. I hope I am clear. Eze Igbo in Akure
is just a ceremonial thing and it is unfortunate that people
are taking these institutions that the Federal constitution
has rendered useless so seriously.
 
The Oni of Ife, the Oba of Lagos,
the Oba of Benin, the Emir of Gwadangwuri, Kano  etc. are
all useless as far as the Nigerian constitution is
concerned, they do not have any role to play, zilch, zero.
They are there for decorations period, Nigeria does not
recognize institutional monarch.
 
Chiwuikem
 

 

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“””I did hear of a Yoruba community in South

Carolina who claim to have a leader who reportedly got his
crown from the great Alaafin of Oyo. They operate in
private, however, and they have never sought any public or
official recognition like the so-called “Eze Ndigbo of
Akure has done by going ahead to build himself a Palace and
by claiming some parity with the Deji  of Akure, the
preeminent ruler of the Kingdom. I visited Rio de Janeiro in
Brazil during the last World Cup. I seized the opportunity
to visit the “Favelas” and the areas occupied by the
Yoruba descendants in the great city. I never heard of any
of their leaders seeking to be recognized as a traditional

ruler of their (foreign) community. They know they are in a

foreign land. They could maintain or treasure their Yoruba
identity, but they have done it within the rules and norms
of what is acceptable in Brazil. I could say the same thing
of Cuba where the Yoruba descendants accorded the Late Ooni
Risa Sijuwade Olubushe the Second, a rousing welcome
reserved only for Heads of State the first time he paid an
official visit to Cuba as Arole Oodua “Jigbini bi Ite
Akun” the highly respected progenitor of the Yorubas who
is actually worshipped as a deity in Cuba and some parts of
the Caribbean,  I never heard any of those Yoruba leaders
seeking for recognition as titular “Yoruba Oba” because
they know they have to respect the traditions of their host

country. ……..Akure people have no problem with Mr. Grail

Illoson becoming the leader and the chief spokesman for his
people on issues that are important to them, but coming to
Akure and asking any Deji of Akure to confer on him the
title of “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure is a different ballgame
altogether. It is an abomination! Only a naïve Deji who
does not understand the history of his own people or the
import of traditional values and sensitivities would ever
grant that kind of favor.
The words “Eze Ndigbo “simply means the
King of the Igbos. There cannot be a king without a
territory. If such a Deji agrees to create and recognize
such a title in his domain he must be ready to identify the

territory the title holder is going to preside over……..

How many Obas can you have in one town is a legitimate
question to ask Mr. Illoson and his supporters?  As huge
and as highly populated as Ibadan is, the city has only one
traditional ruler in the Olubadan of Ibadan. The same thing

goes for most of the major cities of Yoruba Land [and other
ethnic territories in Nigeria].”””………Unquote Dr.
Wumi Akintide!
JUI would like to ENDORSE these statements by
Dr Wumi Akintide. The Official Govt is okay for everybody
anywhere in Nigeria; the traditional system is already
posing serious challenges to our official Govt because its
beliefs and practices may sometimes conflict with the
national official constitution; so creating potentially
antagonistic traditions that may lead to more conflicts in
future is unadvisable. Let’s allow sleeping dogs to lie
peacefully without sowing seeds that could germinate
community feuds and crises in future. Take care. JUI

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[Rex Marinus]

IBK, maybe I should spell it out so that you will understand it clearly: if the Igbo have been in Akure for over 100 years, they are no longer "foreigners" to Akure. They do not need to register, unless it is for the purpose of general civic registration required of them by law, specially in Akure. They could congregate, establish their homes, transact their business, acquire land, build their churches, establish their shrines, including the shrine of Amadioha, for those who still subscribe to the traditional religion, dedicate sacred groves, invite their priests, and elect from among themselves, representatives, if it serves their own interests.The constitution of Nigeria grants them all that. Deji of Akure is the symbolic head of traditional Akure society, in its most primordial state. But Akure, as a state capital is today, no longer bound strictly to Akure primordialism. It is being built as a cosmopolitan Nigerian city. Its government is not decided by the Deji, but by those who have established residency in Akure, who are the city electors, among whom are the Igbo. Nobody today can be Chairman of the Akure Local government, without appealing to Igbo voters. And if the Igbo organize themselves well enough as an electoral bloc, may even support a candidate and win elections, including as Chairmen and Councilors in Akure. Unless your head is in the sand, that is the current reality.

Even in your "limited" use of the term, a "foreigner" does not have those rights. There is Igbo culture in Akure, and it is one that has been one hundred years in the making, unless you wish to deny it. Nothing the Deji does can obscure this. Again, the word "Eze" does no necessarily mean king. True Igbo make no kings. They have no need for such backward, awkward, childish, and medieval things. The Igbo were modern long before modernity. The Igbo abandoned the crowning of kings, long, long, before the European enlightenment. After Europe emerged from the dark ages, they suddenly knew what the Igbo had known for thousands of years: "Ezebuiro." Read Voltaire. The Yoruba too will emerge from the "dark ages" of monarchism and feudalism, but it will take the likes of you, a couple more thousand years to arrive at where the Igbo arrived ages ago, on the subject of kings. So I think, "Eze Igbo" in Akure is not the kind of "Eze" you have in mind. But whatever it is, he has a right to bear his title, however foolish, and I think it is a foolish and pretentious title. On the other hand, I think that the Deji has a right to break the man's head, if he claiming to be "Eze Igbo," comes to the Deji's palace to make claims about ownership of a "throne" in Akure. I will be the first to ask him to eat shit.

Obi Nwakanma

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Ayoooo.
Odale lo po ju. Traitors and sellouts are responsible for strangers to grow wings.
The Igbo buy their rights and if anyone sells his right who is to blame. I was told of a house on the road in Akure owned by a lonly old woman whose children remaind abroad and do not care to come home. An Igbo wnated the house, he gave few 200,000 Naira to a native of Akure to convince the woman to sell the house, he succeed and built a big spareparts shop there. The Igbo settle there. In 200 years time their children will become the oligarchy of the place. All they need to do is marry some princess to produce descendants.
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[Joseph Igietseme]

Prof Nwakanma,
Note the following facts as we continue to wringle through this maze of “Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure” saga:

1.      The Deji of Akure is an “Officially paid position” in the official Govt of Nigeria; fact!

2.      Any Nigerian citizen in Akure (including of a citizen of Igbo or Tiv ancestry) can contest for any position in the official Govt in the State, even the Local Govt Chairman in Akure. It is a constitutional right!

3.      However, not every Nigerian citizen [even he/she resides in Akure] will qualify to contest for or occupy the positions of traditional authorities in Ondo state including the Deji of Akure. FACT!

If you agree with the foregoing FACTs, we can move forward on this issue.
Take care. JUI

[Asagwara, Ken (EAL)]

Folks:

 

On this Eze-Igbo in Akure brouhaha, for me, this is what it is. So, come along.

 

It is very unsettling for any Igbo person who is neither an Igbo Royalty nor of any substantive traditional standing in Igbo land to ask or demand to be crowned or recognized as an “Eze-Igbo” in a domain where already in existence is an age old Traditional Institution with a Royalty as in this case of the Oba in Ondo State, the Deji of Akure. If an Igbo resident in any part of our country, Nigeria, aspires to become an Eze-Igbo, he/she should go back to Igbo land to be so bestowed, if his people and community adjudges him meritorious for such honour. Living outside one’s ancestral land and aspiring for an Ezeship and a Palace to boot where a Yoruba Oba is already holding court is asking for a destabilization of the social harmony that exists between neighbours.

 

Chief/Dr./Mr. Grail Iloson, if he is an elected Igbo leader and the chief spokesman for Ndi-Igbo in Akure deserves to keep that honour; just as he is free to build himself a “Palace”, if he can afford the cost and maintenance. But if it is true that he is “claiming some parity with the Deji  of Akure, the preeminent ruler of the Kingdom”, that is an over-reach. And I do not see the Deji of Akure and his folks accepting that. And they will be right not to do so. The fact that Chief/Dr/Mr. Grail Iloson, if true that he went to the Palace of the Deji of Akure to ask him to “confer on him the title of “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure” shows that he recognized the Suzerainty of the Deji over all and sundry resident in Akure of which he, Chief/Dr./Mr. Grail Iloson is among.  So, what then is the brouhaha about?

 

If he Chief/Dr./Mr. Iloson is out to “claim any sort of parity with the Deji of Akure”, he already failed in the quest because you cannot go before an Oba you want to claim some parity with and expect him to confer on you the title of Eze-Igbo of Akure.

 

What Ndi-Igbo resident in any other parts of Nigeria outside Igbo land in need of a leader(s) and spokes-persons on issues that are important to them or affect them as an ethnic nation is do what we have done in the past which is an elected leadership of an Igbo Union. There will be President-General or Chairman and Executive Membership through whom, the collective Igbo interest and well-being is served and protected. In Nigeria of the First Republic, Ndi-Igbo across the landscapes of Nigeria were very integrated and cohesive in service of the people and community. Through the arrangement of Igbo Union, primary and secondary schools; the business entrepreneurship and apprenticeship that built wealth for Ndi-Igbo across the land, etc., flourished. We did not need an Eze-Igbo wherever we resided to build and grow Igbo individual and collective wealth and well-being. The new Eze-Igbo development is a self-serving narcissistic title that so far, as I know it, has not served any altruistic purposes or values for the generality of the Igbo. Any Igbo wanting to die for it is on his own. Let us not create unnecessary trouble where none should exists. Both Igbo and Yoruba know the value of life and the disastrous consequences of losing lives in  needless orgy of bloodletting. Perhaps, that accounts for why in the fifty-years of Nigeria as a country, Ndi-Igbo and Yoruba have lived side by side without resort to any senseless collective killings of each other. Let us all, Igbo and Yoruba keep it that way.

 

My views on this issue is not informed by any legalities arguments of constitutional exclusive, shared and residual rights and powers for Nigeria’s three levels of government or the roles of Traditional Institutions in them. Mine is a case of social engineering to keep and maintain the peace and tranquility that exists in Akure between and among its various residents, fellow Nigerians.

 

As for those of you noise-makers (you know yourselves) that have formed the habit of insulting and rubbishing the collectivity of the Igbo ethnic nation on account of any misdoings of one Igbo person even when that person’s position is not accepted nor supported by majority Ndi-Igbo, you are village IDIOTS.

 

Cheers.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

 

Thank you IBK

 As an Akure son, I align myself (Spirit, Soul and Body) with the view espoused by my Elder, Dr Wumi Akintide. Nothing can be added or removed from his well reasoned position. 

My paternal grandmother, Yeye Aderonsoye, was the head of the princesses and nee Adesida.

My paternal grandfather was of the Elemo Oshodi chieftaincy house.

The Deji of Akure has the backing of all Akure sons and daughters , everywhere humans exist!

 

Rotimi Fashakin.

 

 

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[Asagwara, Ken (EAL)]

[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Otitgbe, Possessing properties in Akure or marrying a princess in Akure should be no licence for a Nwachuku or a Okoro to want to build a palace for an Eze in Akure. After all, there are Nigerians from other ethnic groups living in Akure and in other Nigerian cities peacefully. It is Igbos that create problems everywhere! That to me is the issue which Igbos must address one way or another if their different Yoruba hosts are not to address it the way it is addressed in the northern part of the country. That is my fear.

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From:"Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD" <otit...@oviri.com.ar> Date:Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 3:57 pm Subject:Re: [africanworldforum] Another invitation to "genocide": Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

[David Iloani]

WHY ARE WE SPENDING TIME ON THIS NONSENSE ?. WHAT THROWN ?. THERE IS NO THROWN TO DETHROWN. WHO ARE HIS SUBJECTS

AND WHERE IS HIS KINGDOM ? PEOPLE WITH LITTE MINDS CONTINUE TO CAUSE UNNESSARY DIVISIONS AMONG NIGERIANS.. 

ILOANI D 

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[Asagwara, Ken (EAL)]

“I married a young woman in Arusha and made young babies, so I can not afford to send tickets to you and Joe Igietseme ...” Ibukunolu Alao Babajide

 

What about the runts you littered all over Yoruba land and abandoned for their poor mothers to support and raise? I guess you no longer regard them as the babies made by you, woman wrapper.

 

Cheers.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

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[Rex Marinus]

Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.

Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.

Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized. There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say. 

Obi Nwakanma

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[Leye Ige]

Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.

RESPONSE: An "Eze Igbo" is a contest with the Deji. Even if you claim this "eze" is rubbish; the FACT is, it is NOT a CIVIC title among the Igbo.

Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.

RESPONSE: The Deji is CUSTODIAN of Yoruba/Akure values which the constitution RECOGNIZES. The Constitution, ON ITS OWN, CANNOT and DOES NOT negate that role.

Fact: Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.

RESPONSE: When tradition changes, it flows from a COLLECTIVE ASPIRATION, it does not change simply for its own sake. The Aare Musulumi is a RELIGIOUS TITLE, just like ANY other religious title which the Yoruba subscribe to, so it does not have to be originally Yoruba since Islam was/is not originally Yoruba. So, it has nothing to do with Yoruba Traditions. In FACT, the Yoruba ACCEPTED ISLAM alongside other religious forms without rancor, hence having an Aare Musulumi is not a problem.

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me.

RESPONSE: No I don't. The Constitution DOES NOT SUPERSEDE, otherwise it will NOT RECOGNIZE. The Constitution RECOGNIZES certain things hence OFFERED PROTECTION to those things, like having a Council of Obas. The Constitution does NOT drop from the sky but REFLECTS extant social and cultural realities.

" It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized"

RESPONSE: An Olu in Yorubaland is equivalent to an Oba, so for any Yoruba to want to establish an "Olu" title means it is attached to LAND, without which the title is meaningless, even in Yorubaland.

"There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc; for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say."

RESPONSE: There are Imams and Bishops and General Overseers all over Yorubaland and in any case BUT NONE of them, to my knowledge, have tried to turn such offices into "traditional institutions". Also, ALL communities have their leaders wherever they reside. Which again shows that the Nigerian Constitution is NON-COMPLIANT with Nigeria's Ethno-Nationalities. That is why non-indigenes would establish their own leaderships wherever they find themselves.

Leye Ige
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Date: Friday, October 16, 2015, 7:24 PM

 











Fact: no one is contesting Deji of

Akure with Deji of Akure.Fact: Deji of Akure is

not the constitutional authority in Akure.Fact: 
Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be,
a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man.
The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a

Yoruba title. Fact.Fact: the Nigerian

constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the
basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other,
including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree
with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for
instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba,
they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the
civil laws under which the city is organized. There is
"Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH,
etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their
communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo
residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against
them. They have as much rights in these places as the
original claimants of these cities which have drawn people
from the four corners of the earth, so to
say. Obi Nwakanma

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[Nowa Omoigui]

Prof Marinus

QUESTION: Are constitutions not written by man?  Yes or No?

QUESTION: Is the track record of migrant groups all over the world, and the way they manage their relationships with host communities and their cultural norms not a factor?

QUESTION: Why is Israel so sensitive to the return of Palestinian refugees to ancestral lands?  What is the underlying principle behind immigration policies in Israel? Is Israeli policy not 'constitutional'?

FACT:  Acculturation, association and assimilation are complicated dynamics influenced by multiple considerations including institutional memory, and fears of cultural liquidation.  MAN is not a robot.

NAO

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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:24 PM

[Mobolaji Aluko]

Nowa, Obi Nwakanma and co:

It is a cultural taboo in Yorubaland to have two kings in the same kingdom...that is the cap of what the ARG (Afenifere Renewal Group) has just written: In fact, 

QUOTE

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/191631-afenifere-asks-south-west-governors-obas-to-de-recognise-eze-ndigbos-in-yorubaland.html

“It is globally accepted that there cannot be two kings in the same domain as there cannot be two captains in the same boat.”

UNQUOTE

.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

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[Yeye Rolling]

Where in the Nigerian constitution does it say this rubbish ?

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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: (REX) The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Obi Nwakanma:

You should drop this obfuscatory advocacy....you are safely far away in Michigan or somewhere, and yet you are advocating cultural disobedience and vigilantism.....it endangers rather than helps your people Igbo, our neighbors and co-citizens.

We are not talking about the Chairman or President of a cultural or religious association.  We are taking about territorial suzerainty.....and there can be no two suzerains within the same territory, otherwise that is a recipe for chaos.

Please revise your priors on this subject.

Bolaji Aluko

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[Afis Deinde]

I looked at the picture in the Premium Newstory, is that Yinka Odumakin sitting by the old man ?

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Rex Marinus]

Dr. Aluko:

I think you know the ones who are preaching vigilantism. They are the ones who talk about the extra-judicial killing of the Igbo because an Igbo chose to be called "Eze Igbo" in Akure. I have neither called for the killing, nor the destruction of anybody for making those calls, and yet you accuse me of vigilantism? Incredible! I think you should look carefully in the mirror. All I have advocated is that anyone has a right to live within the civil laws of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. The Deji of Akure is no sovereign; the constitution of Nigeria is the sovereign document, and it grants all citizens, irrespective of ethnicity, religion, or social status, equality before the law. There certainly can be no two captains in a ship. The Deji cannot be a sovereign monarch under the republican constitution. It is a contradiction in terms. I think you are the one, Dr. Aluko, who is both obfuscatory, or deliberately mischievous.

Obi Nwakanma

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:10:21 +0100
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Afis:

The picture is incongruous with the story: it shows members of Afenifere - comprised largely of the Old Guard Yoruba -  while the statement being 

highlighted below is by ARG - Afenifere Renewal Group - comprised largely of a younger group of Yoruba.

By the way, I believe that with Yinka Odumakin - who is second from the right -

 

    (1) to his right is Chief Olaniwun Ajayi. 

    (2) to his left is Chief Iyi Omisore.

    (3) to his far right (I believe) is Chief Falae

Bolaji Aluko

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Obi Nwakanma:

The traditional rulers of Ondo State are recognzed by law by Ondo State, and are graded Grades A, B, C and D.  Any others are Grade F.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

https://www.ondostate.gov.ng/new/traditional_rulers.php

TRADITIONAL RULERS IN ONDO STATE:

[His Excellency, Dr. Olusegun Mimiko in a group photograph with the Traditional Rulers in Ondo State]

Below are the list of all Traditional Rulers in Ondo State on Local Government Area basis.

OWO LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba Folagbade Olateru Olagbegi	Olowo of Owo	A
2	Oba Abel Olaleye Alade	Olupele of Ipele	B
3	Vacant	Oloba of Uso	C
4	Oba Simeon Adedubaje, Adeyefa I	Elemure of Emure	C
5	Oba R. A. Aladetanye	Asuada of Isuada	C
6	Oba Omotunde Alaba Adako	Oniyere of Iyere	C
7	Oba Okikiola Adetifa III	Alale of Idasin	C
8	Oba (Col.) S. I. B. Ademulegun	Olupemen of Ipemen	C
9	Oba Kofoworola Oladoyinbo	Ojomoluda of Ijebu Owo	C
ONDO EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba N. O. Adenusi	Yangede of Epe	C
ILAJE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba Lawrence A. A. Omowole III	Amapetu of Mahin	A
2	Oba. Fredric Obateru Akinruntan	Olugbo of Ugbo	A
3	Vacant	Olikan of Etikan	B
4	Vacant	Maporure of Aheri	C
5	Oba (Dr.) Kalejaye Olatunji	Odede of Igbo - Egunrin	D
6	Oba E. E. Ikuomola	Alagho of Odonla	D
7	Vacant	Olu of Igbokoda	D
8	Oba A. K. Ikuesan	Olubo of Obe - Nla	D
9	Vacant	Oduka of Obe - Ogbaro	D
10	Oba Samuel Olumide Edema	Malokun of Atijere	D
11	Vacant	Alaboto of Aboto	D
IDANRE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba (Dr.) Fredrick Aroloye , JP, Arubiefin IV	Owa of Idanre	A
2	Oba G. Olakunle Ogunlowo	Awosunye of Atosin-Idanre	C
3	Oba Olusegun Akinbola	Aladeokun of Alade	C
AKOKO SOUTH WEST LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba Alhaji [Dr.] Y. A. Adeleye J.P. OON	Olubaka of Oka	A
2	Oba Nurudeen Adegoroye	Oloba of Oba	B
3	Oba Adejoro Adedeji	Olusupare of Supare	B
4	Vacant	Alale of Akungba	B
5	Oba Olokunbola Adedoyin	Onikun of Ikun	C
IRELE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba C.O.Lebi	Olofun of Irele	A
2	Oba J.T. Dahunsi	Odogbo of Omi	B
3	Vacant	Larogbo of Akotogbo	B
4	Oba T.O. Adesayo J.P.	Ahaba of Ajagba	B
5	Vacant	Laragunshin ofIyansan	C
6	Oba Samuel Oyegbemi	Lighogho of Iju-Osun	C
ILE- OLUJI/ OKEIGBO LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba [Engr.] Suulade A. Adedugbe	Jegun of Ile-Oluji	A
2	Vacant	Olu-Oke of Oke-Igbo	B
ONDO WEST LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba (Dr.) Victor Adesimbo Kiladejo, Jilo IV	Osemawe of Ondo	A
2	Vacant	Alara of Igunsin	C
3	Oba A. A. Aderehinwo	Asafunrin of Igbado	D
4	Oba Pius Aderinluwo	Akinnuwa of Igbindo	D
5	Oba Julius Adetinoye Fadojutimi	Oloja of Ilunla	D
6	Oba Sir [Dr.] Samuel Adeyemi Akinmusire	Oludoko of Udoko	D
AKOKO SOUTH EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba A. Adesunloye Oyolola III	Olisua of Isua	A
2	Oba Francis M. Apata	Olupe of Ipe	B
3	Oba Oyekan George	Gbiri of Epinmi	C
4	Oba Anthony Olugboja	Olufira of Ifira	C
5	Vacant	Olupesi of Ipesi	C
6	Oba Julius Ogunola	Olusosan of Sosan	D
ODIGBO LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba Aderemi Adelola	Ajobu of Araromi-Obu	A
2	Oba .D. Osebayo Adetula Akinloye	Orunja of Odigbo	B
3	Oba Johnson Olatomide	Olore of Ore	C
4	Oba Patrick Adegeye Osuwekomi, Jilobeyo II	Akogbe of Ajue	C
5	Oba Festus Adenika Adekungbe	Oporo of Oro	D
6	Vacant	Oworofun of Lapahun	D
7	Oba Pius A. Adewole	Akamuja of Igborowo	D
8	Oba M. Olaniyi Akinwande	Ajamolu of Onisere	D
ESE-ODO LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Vacant	Agadagba of Arogbo-Ijaw Ibe	A
2	Vacant	Kalasuwe of Apoi	A
3	Oba E. O. Egbukuyomi	Odogun of Igbekebo	C
4	Oba Raphael Oyedele	Olu of Igbobini	C
5	Oba Adeniyi Ajayi	Gbaluwe of Igbotu	C
6	Oba F. A. Omosegbon	Niyon of Kiribo	C
7	Oba Moses Omomofe Olomu	Takunbe of Ipoke	D
8	Oba M. A. Olasehinde	Jowe of Enikorogba	D
9	Oba (Cmdr.) Olatunbosun-Luyi	Ibini of Ojuala	D
10	Vacant	Okiribiti of Sabomi	D
AKURE SOUTH LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba Adebiyi Adegboye Adesida	Deji of Akure	A
2	Oba Bamidele Akosile	Olojoda of Oda	C
3	Oba J. O. Ojo	Iralepo of Isikan	D
4	Oba Olukayode Oluwatuyi	Osolo of Isolo	D
5	Oba Omoniyi Olufunmilayo	Akapinsa of Ipinsa	D
OKITIPUPA LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba G. B. Faduyile Adegun	Abodi of Ikoya	A
2	Oba Gbadebo Bajowa	Rebuja Of Osooro	A
3	Oba Michael Obatuga Adetoye	Jegun of Idepe-Okitipupa	A
4	Oba W. Akinlade	Halu of Ode-Aye	B
5	Oba S. A. Akinlalu	Orungberuwa of Ode-Erinje	B
6	Oba L. B. Ayelomi JP	Lumure of Ayeka	B
7	Vacant	Olura of Igbinsin-Oloto	C
8	Oba J. E. Aiyeku	Obagberume of Igbodigo	C
9	Oba P. A. Akinsola JP	Olu of Igodan Lisa	D
10	Oba D. T. Teniola JP	Orofun of Iju-Odo	D
11	Oba Earnest Adeoye Idepefo	Majuwa of Ilutitun	D
AKURE NORTH LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba Amos Adelakun Farukanmi	Okiti of Iju	B
2	Oba Idowu Faborode	Ogbolu of Ita-Ogbolu	B
3	Oba J. O. Agunbiade	Oloba of Oba-Ile	B
4	Oba (Prof.) Peter Oluyede	Alayede of Ayede-Ogbese	D
5	Vacant	Jagunmolu of Igbatoro-Familugba	D
AKOKO NORTH WEST LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba Victor Adetona	Owa Of Ogbagi	A
2	Oba (Cmdr.) A.O. Momodu	Akala of Ikaram	A
3	Oba Yisa Olanipekun	Zaki of Arigidi	A
4	Vacant	Onirun of Irun	A
5	Oba (Dr) Oladunjoye Fajana	Ajana of Afa, Okeagbe	D
6	Oba Sunday Mogaji	Osunla of Erusu	D
7	Vacant	Alafin of Afin	D
8	Oba Alex Jimoh	Owage of Oge, Okeagbe	D
9	Oba Akintola Ogunmodede	Elefifa of Efifa	D
10	Oba Joel Sunday Daudu	Oluyani of Iyani	D
11	Oba R.O.Atibioke [JP]	Olubaramu of Ibaramu	D
12	Oba L.O.Bamisile	Oloyin of Oyin	D
13	Oba Amos Ogunleye	Eleriti of Eriti	D
14	Oba Walidu Sanni	Olugedegede of Igedegede	D
15	Oba E.A. Ipinlaye	Oloje of Igasi	D
16	Oba D.O. Adewunmi	Elese of Ese	D
17	Vacant	Oniye of Iye	D
18	Oba J. K. Sanusi	Elesiku of Esiku	D
19	Oba Timothy Adewale	Olojo of Ojo, Ajowa	D
20	Oba C. O. Jimoh	Oloso of Oso, Ajowa	D
21	Oba Oloruntoba Bello	Ewi of Aje Okeagbe	D
22	Oba Timothy S. Ipinmoroti	Oluro of Uro Ajowa	D
23	Oba Joshua Oladunni	Alase of Ase, Ajowa	D
24	Oba (Alh.) Alasan Elela	Olora of Ora, Ajowa	D
25	Oba Sunday Awojulu	Oludo of Ido, Okeagbe	D
26	Oba J. K. Olododowa	Oludaja of Daja, Ajowa	D
27	Oba Kayode Olusa	Oludotun of Iludotun, Ajowa	D
OSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba I.A .Adeusi [JP]	Olufon of Ifon	A
2	Vacant	Alaani of Idoani	A
3	Oba A.Oluwole Akinrogbe	Olute of Ute	B
4	Oba Owasunloye	Arinjale of Okeluse	B
5	Oba B.A. Adeniran [JP]	Onimeri Of Imeri	C
6	Oba S.A.Egunjobi	Alafo of Afo	C
7	Oba Moses E.O. Bakare	Onidogun of Idogun	C
8	Oba Abel A. Okinbaloye [JP]	Olumoru of Imoru	C
9	Vacant	Olukaro of Ikaro	C
10	Oba J.N.Alonge	Odibiado of Ijagba	C
IFEDORE LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba I.A. Adepoju	Olowa of Igbara-Oke	B
2	Oba Aderemi Adefehinti	Alara of Ilara-Mokin	B
3	Oba Adebamigbe Oluwagbemigun	Olujare of Ijare	B
4	Vacant	Olubule of Ibule	C
5	Oba Joseph Adegbola Awolehin	Asarun of Isarun	C
6	Oba R.O. Ojo	Adapogun of Ipogun	C
7	Vacant	Ekiri of Ero	C
8	Vacant	OLurese of Irese	D
9	Oba James Babatola Agbona, Orimoro II	Oloja of Aaye	D
10	Oba Julius Aluko Adegoke	Oloja of Mariwo	D
11	Vacant	Owo of Araromi-Omoladan	D
12	Vacant	Eleti of Eti	D
13	Vacant	Akota of Ikota	D
AKOKO NORTH EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENT
SN	NAME	TITLE	GRADE
1	Oba [Alh] A.S. Momoh [JP]	Olukare of Ikare	A
2	Vacant	Olugbe of Ugbe	C
3	Oba Emmanuel Babalola	Oluboropa of Iboropa	D
4	Vacant	Olukakumo of Ikakumo	D
5	Oba V. D. F. Obasoro	Oluwade of Akunnu	D
6	Oba Adegbenro A. Omola	Onise of Ise	D
7	Oba S. K. Agunloye	Alauga of Auga	D
8	Oba S. K. Adedoyin	Owa-Ale of Ikare	D

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

I congratulae  the Igbo in this forum for their democratic spirit. They came out to defend he truth and to say that their own is not correct to abus the hospitality of host communities.It shows civilization (to be civil, to know civil relationship). I really, I congratulate you guys.
Shame on those tribalist who never see anythng good in people of other ehtnic origin. On this topic, the Igbo guys have lectured us on being civilized.
Otitigbe

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Ayo.
You do not know whatis going on at home.
In two generations more, whil your grandchilden will be speaking African-American English, Akure youths will be speaking Yoruba and Igbo. The ball has started rolling. A Babalaw from Akure told me yesterday in a loud voice "BIAFRA !!!!!". He added Biafra ni iyen o. He meant to say that Biafra war is not over but with us and conquering us. Just like Ghadaffi said that Europe will not be conquered by bombs but that Muslim women will storm Europe and give birth to European muslims. The Igbo I know do not give a damn about the nationality or religion of a woman, when they se a woman they like, they go for her. I saw the in Ndjamena, I saw them accross West Africa, they are aso here, in South African marry native women for ciizenship and build family. Akure will not be different . They will develp Akure and leave it as heritage to their children while you live confortably in America.
You also must undertstand that in olden days, Ifa choses the Oba, today he system has been corrupted and when a stool is vacant, the Igbo will pump money for the candidate that will protect their interest, which is correct. I was told that he formr Deji opened the door for Igbo.
Wake up my brother.
Otitigbe

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[Rex Marinus]

Dr. Aluko:

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with this info. So, under Ondo state law as it is, "traditional rulers" are graded and paid by the state. Well, good for them. Except that residents of the state are yet to develop enough political consciousness, and organize a movement to end such an arbitrary prebendal preferment. It is illegal preferment, and a properly elected and politically conscious parliament would have (a) abolished such institutions by an act of parliament, (b) abolished any payments under such clientelist, rent-seeking illegality that transfers the wealth and tax of ordinary Ondo people to the pockets of a worthless institution.

Often, the excuse that these are the "custodians" of the culture of the people is a fraudulent means of perpetuating an extremely entrenched oligopoly. This is the source of corruption - the officially sanctioned corruption that is no worse than a government paying off the Mafia, parading themselves as "traditional rulers." Someday, the people of Ondo will wake up, and discover the meaninglessness of this fraud, and respond appropriately. But at the moment, for as long majority of the people are comatose, and they have no clear-sighted ideological leadership, the Ondo state government can continue to grade and pay-off its chiefs, rather than build well appointed  schools, parks, beautiful public housing, modern public transportation, and even provide, clean water and cheap, government guaranteed loans to young entrepreneurs, they pay off pseudo-monarchs.

Meanwhile, I see you're determined to push the Igbo out of "Yoruba Kingdoms"  whatever that means. Perhaps it will not be too long from now, when the Igbo will once again grow tired of all these backwardness and harassment, and summon every Igbo , who identifies as Igbo back to Igbo land, and make it clear that whoever chooses to live anywhere else in the South West of Nigeria, outside Igbo land, does so at their own risk, and will remain at the mercy of their "host communities." The Igbo will no longer speak out when such Igbo are killed, robbed, harassed, maimed, dispropriated, etc. If the Igbo wants to travel, and settle beyond Igbo land, let them head towards more receptive grounds. Let them leave landed property, or exchange it for cash, dismantle machinery, and leave the South West of Nigeria and resettle in Igbo land, and everywhere else in West Africa and Central West Africa, up to the Congo. The Igbo may have to draw that curtain soon, and leave the South West of Nigeria once again for the likes of you and Leye Ige. The day the Igbo leave Akure, they will leave with them, everything that makes Akure now seem like it matters. And that time will not be long, the way you folk are going.

Obi Nwakanma

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:56:37 +0100

Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Otitigbe, Are you suggesting we should start driving Igbos out of Akure to avoid what you said they will do in future? Or we too should continue the biafra war with Igbos? I have no problem with Igbos marrying Yoruba women, Yorubas too do marry Igbo women. Inter-ethnic marriages will not affect our heritage. There are more than enough Yorubas at home to do whatever needs to be down to ensure our heritage is intact.  Ayo Ojutalayo

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From:"Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD" <otit...@oviri.com.ar>

Date:Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:42 pm

[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Otitigbe,  You are the one that needed Igbos' lecture "on being civilized".

Ayo Ojutalayo  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From:"Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD" <otit...@oviri.com.ar>

Date:Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:17 pm

Subject:Re: [africanworldforum] The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

[Leye Ige]

"But at the moment, for as long majority of the people are comatose, and they have no clear-sighted ideological leadership, the Ondo state government can continue to grade and pay-off its chiefs, rather than build well appointed schools, parks, beautiful public housing, modern public transportation, and even provide, clean water and cheap, government guaranteed loans to young entrepreneurs, they pay off pseudo-monarchs"--Obi Nwakanma


So, since the Igbo have no "kings" hence their state governments do not "pay-off its chiefs", they are building "well appointed schools, parks, beautiful public housing, modern public transportation, providing clean water and cheap government guaranteed loans to young(and old) entrepreneurs" YET the Igbo are migrating out of their land in record numbers?

Leye Ige
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On Fri, 10/16/15, Rex Marinus rexma...@hotmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
To: "Mobolaji Aluko" <alu...@gmail.com>, "africanw...@googlegroups.com" <africanw...@googlegroups.com>, "Yan Arewa" <yana...@yahoogroups.com>
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Date: Friday, October 16, 2015, 10:59 PM

GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba (Dr.)

Fredrick Aroloye , JP, Arubiefin IVOwa of
IdanreA2Oba G.
Olakunle OgunlowoAwosunye of
Atosin-IdanreC3Oba
Olusegun AkinbolaAladeokun of
AladeCAKOKO SOUTH WEST LOCAL

GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba Alhaji

[Dr.] Y. A. Adeleye J.P. OONOlubaka of OkaA2Oba
Nurudeen AdegoroyeOloba of ObaB3Oba Adejoro
AdedejiOlusupare of
SupareB4VacantAlale of
AkungbaB5Oba
Olokunbola AdedoyinOnikun of IkunCIRELE LOCAL
GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba
C.O.LebiOlofun of IreleA2Oba J.T.
DahunsiOdogbo of OmiB3VacantLarogbo of
AkotogboB4Oba T.O.
Adesayo J.P.Ahaba of AjagbaB5VacantLaragunshin
ofIyansanC6Oba Samuel
OyegbemiLighogho of
Iju-OsunCILE- OLUJI/ OKEIGBO
LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba [Engr.]
Suulade A. AdedugbeJegun of
Ile-OlujiA2VacantOlu-Oke of
Oke-IgboBONDO WEST LOCAL

GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba (Dr.)

GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba I.A

.Adeusi [JP]Olufon of IfonA2VacantAlaani of
IdoaniA3Oba
A.Oluwole AkinrogbeOlute of UteB4Oba
OwasunloyeArinjale of

OkeluseB5Oba B.A.

Adeniran [JP]Onimeri Of
ImeriC6Oba
S.A.EgunjobiAlafo of AfoC7Oba Moses
E.O. BakareOnidogun of

IdogunC8Oba Abel A.

Okinbaloye [JP]Olumoru of
ImoruC9VacantOlukaro of
IkaroC10Oba
J.N.AlongeOdibiado of
IjagbaCIFEDORE LOCAL
GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba I.A.
AdepojuOlowa of
Igbara-OkeB2Oba Aderemi
AdefehintiAlara of
Ilara-MokinB3Oba
Adebamigbe OluwagbemigunOlujare of
IjareB4VacantOlubule of
IbuleC5Oba Joseph
Adegbola AwolehinAsarun of
IsarunC6Oba R.O.
OjoAdapogun of
IpogunC7VacantEkiri of EroC8VacantOLurese of
IreseD9Oba James
Babatola Agbona, Orimoro IIOloja of AayeD10Oba Julius
Aluko AdegokeOloja of MariwoD11VacantOwo of
Araromi-OmoladanD12VacantEleti of EtiD13VacantAkota of IkotaDAKOKO NORTH EAST LOCAL

GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba [Alh]

Akure with Deji of Akure.Fact: Deji of Akure is

not the constitutional authority in Akure.Fact: 
Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be,
a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man.
The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a

Yoruba title. Fact.Fact: the Nigerian

constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the
basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other,
including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree
with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for
instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba,
they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the
civil laws under which the city is organized. There is
"Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH,
etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their
communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo
residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against
them. They have as much rights in these places as the
original claimants of these cities which have drawn people
from the four corners of the earth, so to
say. Obi Nwakanma

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[Joseph Igietseme]

""The Deji is CUSTODIAN of Yoruba/Akure values which the constitution RECOGNIZES. The Constitution, ON ITS OWN, CANNOT and DOES NOT negate that role.""".........Unquote Leye Ige.

Hopefully Prof Nwakanma got that POINT, that ""the Deji of Akure is recognized by the Nigerian constitution""", unlike his statement below that ""Deji of Akure is

​ ​

not the constitutional authority in Akure."" Only God knows how he came about such a position. Take care. JUI  

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Leye Ige <ige....@yahoo.com> wrote:

Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.
RESPONSE: An "Eze Igbo" is a contest with the Deji. Even if you claim this "eze" is rubbish; the FACT is, it is NOT a CIVIC title among the Igbo.

Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.
RESPONSE: The Deji is CUSTODIAN of Yoruba/Akure values which the constitution RECOGNIZES. The Constitution, ON ITS OWN, CANNOT and DOES NOT negate that role.

Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.
RESPONSE:  When tradition changes, it flows from a COLLECTIVE ASPIRATION, it does not change simply for its own sake. The Aare Musulumi is a RELIGIOUS TITLE, just like ANY other religious title which the Yoruba subscribe to, so it does not have to be originally Yoruba since Islam was/is not originally Yoruba.  So, it has nothing to do with Yoruba Traditions. In FACT, the Yoruba ACCEPTED ISLAM alongside other religious forms without rancor, hence having an Aare Musulumi is not a problem.

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me.
RESPONSE: No I don't. The Constitution DOES NOT SUPERSEDE, otherwise it will NOT RECOGNIZE. The Constitution RECOGNIZES certain things hence OFFERED PROTECTION to those things, like having a Council of Obas. The Constitution does NOT drop from the sky but REFLECTS extant social and cultural realities.

" It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized"
RESPONSE:  An Olu in Yorubaland is equivalent to an Oba, so for any Yoruba to want to establish an "Olu" title means it is attached to LAND, without which the title is meaningless, even in Yorubaland.

"There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say."
RESPONSE: There are Imams and Bishops and General Overseers all over Yorubaland and in any case BUT NONE of them, to my knowledge, have tried to turn such offices into "traditional institutions". Also, ALL communities have their leaders wherever they reside. Which again shows that the Nigerian Constitution is NON-COMPLIANT with Nigeria's Ethno-Nationalities. That is why non-indigenes would establish their own leaderships wherever they find themselves.
Leye Ige
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On Fri, 10/16/15, Rex Marinus rexma...@hotmail.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
 To: "Joseph Igietseme" <jigie...@gmail.com>, "naija...@googlegroups.com" <naija...@googlegroups.com>
 Cc: "Matto Akin" <mat...@msn.com>, "develop...@googlegroups.com" <develop...@googlegroups.com>, "declan.gal...@gmail.com" <declan.gal...@gmail.com>, "OKONKWO...@googlegroups.com" <okonkwo...@googlegroups.com>, "africanw...@googlegroups.com" <africanw...@googlegroups.com>, "Naijanet Google" <naij...@googlegroups.com>, "dec...@saharareporters.com" <dec...@saharareporters.com>, "Naija Politics" <naijap...@yahoogroups.com>, "Nigerian ID" <niger...@yahoogroups.com>, "Raay...@yahoogroups.com" <raay...@yahoogroups.com>, "edo_g...@yahoogroups.com" <edo_g...@yahoogroups.com>, "Abdulwaab Momoh" <afe...@yahoogroups.com>, "naijao...@yahoogroups.com" <naijao...@yahoogroups.com>, "nigerianw...@yahoogroups.com" <nigerianw...@yahoogroups.com>
 Date: Friday, October 16, 2015, 7:24 PM

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 Fact: no one is contesting Deji of

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Akure with Deji of Akure. 

Fact: Deji of Akure is

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not the constitutional authority in Akure. 

Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be,

 a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man.
 The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a
 Yoruba title. Fact. 

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the

 basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other,
 including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree

[amadi...@yahoo.com]

Nwanna Nwakanma,

 

You wrote and I quote “Meanwhile, I see you're determined to push the Igbo out of "Yoruba Kingdoms"  whatever that means. Perhaps it will not be too long from now, when the Igbo will once again grow tired of all these backwardness and harassment, and summon every Igbo , who identifies as Igbo back to Igbo land, and make it clear that whoever chooses to live anywhere else in the South West of Nigeria, outside Igbo land, does so at their own risk, and will remain at the mercy of their "host communities." The Igbo will no longer speak out when such Igbo are killed, robbed, harassed, maimed, dispropriated, etc. If the Igbo wants to travel, and settle beyond Igbo land, let them head towards more receptive grounds. Let them leave landed property, or exchange it for cash, dismantle machinery, and leave the South West of Nigeria and resettle in Igbo land, and everywhere else in West Africa and Central West Africa, up to the Congo. The Igbo may have to draw that curtain soon, and leave the South West of Nigeria once again for the likes of you and Leye Ige. The day the Igbo leave Akure, they will leave with them, everything that makes Akure now seem like it matters. And that time will not be long, the way you folk are going.”

 

Thank you for the above. I am disgusted reading educated people making overt threat and subtle incitement against Ndiigbo in the South West. What manner of country is this anyway? I am equally disgusted with Ndiigbo who live among people who despise them. It is ridiculous that adults cannot disagree without resorting to threats of annihilating people they disagree with . Our counterparts in the other parts of the world are discovering new galaxies and landing in other celestial bodies and we are here threatening to kill each other over nothing. They are planning to colonize alien planets, are planning on how to transit from time travel to space travel in order to shorten the travel distance between us and other planets but we are in the 21^st century busy tearing each other apart, plotting how we will politically dominate each other. Can we really accept the honest fact that ours is a marriage of convenience and not out of love. Can we now agree that as a marriage of convenience, once there is no more convenience to be had, the marriage will naturally dissolve. There is too much hatred in this family and there is a saying that a kingdom that is divided against itself cannot stand. We should either agree to dissolve the inconvenience marriage or sit down like adults and work out a plan to make it work, Right now it is not working.

 

Amadiebube

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

From: Rex Marinus
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:59 PM
To: Mobolaji Aluko;africanw...@googlegroups.com;Yan Arewa
Cc: Naija Politics;Nigerian ID;Raay...@yahoogroups.com;nigerianw...@yahoogroups.com;OmoOdua;naijaintellects
Subject: RE: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right todethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

 

 

Dr. Aluko:

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with this info. So, under Ondo state law as it is, "traditional rulers" are graded and paid by the state. Well, good for them. Except that residents of the state are yet to develop enough political consciousness, and organize a movement to end such an arbitrary prebendal preferment. It is illegal preferment, and a properly elected and politically conscious parliament would have (a) abolished such institutions by an act of parliament, (b) abolished any payments under such clientelist, rent-seeking illegality that transfers the wealth and tax of ordinary Ondo people to the pockets of a worthless institution.

Often, the excuse that these are the "custodians" of the culture of the people is a fraudulent means of perpetuating an extremely entrenched oligopoly. This is the source of corruption - the officially sanctioned corruption that is no worse than a government paying off the Mafia, parading themselves as "traditional rulers." Someday, the people of Ondo will wake up, and discover the meaninglessness of this fraud, and respond appropriately. But at the moment, for as long majority of the people are comatose, and they have no clear-sighted ideological leadership, the Ondo state government can continue to grade and pay-off its chiefs, rather than build well appointed  schools, parks, beautiful public housing, modern public transportation, and even provide, clean water and cheap, government guaranteed loans to young entrepreneurs, they pay off pseudo-monarchs.

 

Meanwhile, I see you're determined to push the Igbo out of "Yoruba Kingdoms"  whatever that means. Perhaps it will not be too long from now, when the Igbo will once again grow tired of all these backwardness and harassment, and summon every Igbo , who identifies as Igbo back to Igbo land, and make it clear that whoever chooses to live anywhere else in the South West of Nigeria, outside Igbo land, does so at their own risk, and will remain at the mercy of their "host communities." The Igbo will no longer speak out when such Igbo are killed, robbed, harassed, maimed, dispropriated, etc. If the Igbo wants to travel, and settle beyond Igbo land, let them head towards more receptive grounds. Let them leave landed property, or exchange it for cash, dismantle machinery, and leave the South West of Nigeria and resettle in Igbo land, and everywhere else in West Africa and Central West Africa, up to the Congo. The Igbo may have to draw that curtain soon, and leave the South West of Nigeria once again for the likes of you and Leye Ige. The day the Igbo leave Akure, they will leave with them, everything that makes Akure now seem like it matters. And that time will not be long, the way you folk are going.

Obi Nwakanma

 

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:56:37 +0100
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
From: alu...@gmail.com
To: africanw...@googlegroups.com; YanA...@yahoogroups.com; rexma...@hotmail.com
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Obi Nwakanma:

 

The traditional rulers of Ondo State are recognzed by law by Ondo State, and are graded Grades A, B, C and D.  Any others are Grade F.

 

And there you have it.

 

 

Bolaji Aluko

 

 

https://www.ondostate.gov.ng/new/traditional_rulers.php

 

TRADITIONAL RULERS IN ONDO STATE:

 

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:10:21 +0100
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
From: alu...@gmail.com
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Obi Nwakanma:

 

You should drop this obfuscatory advocacy....you are safely far away in Michigan or somewhere, and yet you are advocating cultural disobedience and vigilantism.....it endangers rather than helps your people Igbo, our neighbors and co-citizens.

 

We are not talking about the Chairman or President of a cultural or religious association.  We are taking about territorial suzerainty.....and there can be no two suzerains within the same territory, otherwise that is a recipe for chaos.

 

Please revise your priors on this subject.

 

 

Bolaji Aluko

 

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.

Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.

Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized. There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say. 

Obi Nwakanma

 

 

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:21:55 -0400
Subject: RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
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To: naija...@googlegroups.com
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Prof Nwakanma,
Note the following facts as we continue to wringle through this maze of “Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure” saga:

1.      The Deji of Akure is an “Officially paid position” in the official Govt of Nigeria; fact!

2.      Any Nigerian citizen in Akure (including of a citizen of Igbo or Tiv ancestry) can contest for any position in the official Govt in the State, even the Local Govt Chairman in Akure. It is a constitutional right!

3.      However, not every Nigerian citizen [even he/she resides in Akure] will qualify to contest for or occupy the positions of traditional authorities in Ondo state including the Deji of Akure. FACT!

If you agree with the foregoing FACTs, we can move forward on this issue.
Take care. JUI

On Oct 16, 2015 3:53 PM, "Rex Marinus" <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

IBK, maybe I should spell it out so that you will understand it clearly: if the Igbo have been in Akure for over 100 years, they are no longer "foreigners" to Akure. They do not need to register, unless it is for the purpose of general civic registration required of them by law, specially in Akure. They could congregate, establish their homes, transact their business, acquire land, build their churches, establish their shrines, including the shrine of Amadioha, for those who still subscribe to the traditional religion, dedicate sacred groves, invite their priests, and elect from among themselves, representatives, if it serves their own interests.The constitution of Nigeria grants them all that. Deji of Akure is the symbolic head of traditional Akure society, in its most primordial state. But Akure, as a state capital is today, no longer bound strictly to Akure primordialism. It is being built as a cosmopolitan Nigerian city. Its government is not decided by the Deji, but by those who have established residency in Akure, who are the city electors, among whom are the Igbo. Nobody today can be Chairman of the Akure Local government, without appealing to Igbo voters. And if the Igbo organize themselves well enough as an electoral bloc, may even support a candidate and win elections, including as Chairmen and Councilors in Akure. Unless your head is in the sand, that is the current reality.

 

Even in your "limited" use of the term, a "foreigner" does not have those rights. There is Igbo culture in Akure, and it is one that has been one hundred years in the making, unless you wish to deny it. Nothing the Deji does can obscure this. Again, the word "Eze" does no necessarily mean king. True Igbo make no kings. They have no need for such backward, awkward, childish, and medieval things. The Igbo were modern long before modernity. The Igbo abandoned the crowning of kings, long, long, before the European enlightenment. After Europe emerged from the dark ages, they suddenly knew what the Igbo had known for thousands of years: "Ezebuiro." Read Voltaire. The Yoruba too will emerge from the "dark ages" of monarchism and feudalism, but it will take the likes of you, a couple more thousand years to arrive at where the Igbo arrived ages ago, on the subject of kings. So I think, "Eze Igbo" in Akure is not the kind of "Eze" you have in mind. But whatever it is, he has a right to bear his title, however foolish, and I think it is a foolish and pretentious title. On the other hand, I think that the Deji has a right to break the man's head, if he claiming to be "Eze Igbo," comes to the Deji's palace to make claims about ownership of a "throne" in Akure. I will be the first to ask him to eat shit.

Obi Nwakanma

 

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:40:10 +0300
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Obi Nwakanma,

You are the master of obfuscation.  Tell us what law governs the Eze Igbo Akure Issue?  You first ran under the banner of freedom of association and who told you anyone stopped Igbo associating in Akure?  The have been doing so for over 100 years!  You fall flat on your sorry Igbo arse on that score.

Then you came under the corporation laws, why are they not applying to the Corporate Affairs Commission for registration?

The word foreign here is used in a limited way to denote cultural practices indigenous to Akure and environs.  Can three Yoruba people go to Okija and want one of them to be the Oba Yoruba of Okija?  In matters of Eze or Igwe, the Igbo culture with their Ononwu and Indichie and the shrines and gods like Amadioha and symbols like Offor etc are foreign.  They have no place within Yoruba Akure culture.

Twist and wriggle as much as you wish.  You have picked a tall one here and your feeble teeth will break rather than chew this hard hide successfully.

Cheers.

IBK

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JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.

Obi Nwakanma

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:52:06 -0400

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

You reused to understand me.
I am saying that a new identity is being constructed by the people, a identity of pluriculturalism. The eldest daughter of my younger brother called me two monhs ago that she  is marryng her Ogbomosho boyfriend, her mother is from Owerri. My younger sister lies in Ondo having about ten kids for Ondo guy. My ony sister. Her children are in touch with me daily by facebook.
You cannot fight for Yoruba nationalism from America. NI did not say Igo should be expelled. I am telling you that since they are there, they are there and have a say in Akure more than you and I put together
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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

At least in this forum they have proved to be more civilized than you becuase you are a cronic traibalist.
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[Chiwuikem Ihediwa]

Umunnakwe,
Can you tell me which section or sub section of the Nigeria constitution where monarchs are recognized and their constitutional functions/authority? Yes some states have them on their pay rolls but which state in Nigeria operates its own (different) constitution?
 
Do you know that the Oba of Lagos could be dethroned by the state governor?
 
Chiwuikem
  
 

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:11:53 -0400
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
From: umunn...@gmail.com
To: chiw...@hotmail.com
CC: africanw...@googlegroups.com; nigerianw...@yahoogroups.com; niger...@yahoogroups.com; develop...@googlegroups.com; naijap...@yahoogroups.com; naijao...@yahoogroups.com; naija...@googlegroups.com; naij...@googlegroups.com; raay...@yahoogroups.com; okonkwo...@googlegroups.com; edo_g...@yahoogroups.com; afe...@yahoogroups.com; declan.gal...@gmail.com; mat...@msn.com; dec...@saharareporters.com

"The Oni of Ife, the Oba of Lagos, the Oba of Benin, the Emir of Gwadangwuri, Kano  etc. are all useless as far as the Nigerian constitution is concerned, they do not have any role to play, zilch, zero. They are there for decorations period, Nigeria does not recognize institutional monarch"

YES THEY DO!!!!

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Chiwuikem Ihediwa <chiw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Umunnakwe that is not true. You are very wrong. Nigeria does not operate or run under tribal/customary/cultural laws rather a civil constitution which allows all freedom of movement, expression and association among others. No Nigerian is foreign in any part of Nigeria. Any person can come to Onitsha and establish his/her association/trade and be what ever he/she wants to be within his/her association and nothing do he. The Deji does not have any constitutional powers period in Nigeria so also is the Obi of Onitsha or the Saduna of Sokoto. I hope I am clear. Eze Igbo in Akure is just a ceremonial thing and it is unfortunate that people are taking these institutions that the Federal constitution has rendered useless so seriously.
 
The Oni of Ife, the Oba of Lagos, the Oba of Benin, the Emir of Gwadangwuri, Kano  etc. are all useless as far as the Nigerian constitution is concerned, they do not have any role to play, zilch, zero. They are there for decorations period, Nigeria does not recognize institutional monarch.
 
Chiwuikem
 

 

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:37:57 -0400
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
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Mr. Ihediwa, please do not start a war you know you will never win. If an Igbo man in Akure found it  hard to adhere to the rules of Deji of  Akure he can leave and go some where else. They should never  be two  kings in one traditional enclave.

In Onitsha, there is only one Obi of Onitsha and we should not tolerate another Deji in Onitsha having the same power and leverage with Obi of Onitsha. If there is one he or she must respect the Obi and must take order from Obi of Onitsha or he or she can pack up and leave.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Chiwuikem Ihediwa <chiw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Deji of Akure does not have any right to rule ndi Igbo in Akure period. If ndi Igbo in Akure wants a leader, they should select one from amongst them who is qualified to rule them. The Deji may not be qualified by Igbo standard.
The Eze Igbo should go to court if molested by any idiot in Akure, it is his right. One Nigeria.
 
Chiwuikem
 

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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

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"Igbos are not really doing what they do because they are bad folks but because they are childish! They are politically naïve, so unsophisticated that you wonder if they are part of this world." Dr. Osuji 
 

Oh, for your information, Igbos will soon have Eze Ndilgbo in Virginia US of America!  Recall there is Igbo Village there now. "Go there and see for your eyes what our people are doing" (just as Oliver De Couque sang!)Each day, all Virginians gather to witness this 21st Century invention!  This will really do it for us! Soon, every country, every town, in the world will designate a place for Igbo Village, each with Eze NdiIgbo installed.  Angels will be singing in Heaven and Christ will descend! Igbo forebears will follow.  Those other Nigerians will be begging and rushing to embrace us and beg us to allow them in!  What Igboland in Nigeria? Develop what Igboland! No way, that is beneath us now. We are talking about going big....to the world!

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Subject: Re: Another invitation to "genocide": Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

Ayo:

      I must confess that reading about this Eze NdiIgbo garbage got me shaking my head in disgust. I asked: are these people cursed, do they have death wish (what Sigmund Freud called Thanatos)? How come they always do what make other people resent them?  Wherever they go to they do what automatically elicits other people’s resentment. 

     A while ago I responded to a post that was bragging how an Igbo teacher was the best teacher in the country. I pointed out that all that needed to be said is mention the said teacher’s name and not emphasize his ethnic group.

      Regarding this Eze NdiIgbo nonsense, first of all, didn’t they tell us that Igbos had no chiefs?  How come now is it that Igbos want to e chiefs?

      So, you go to another person’s land and want to become a chief there, eh? You frame it to mean that you are the chief of the Igbos living there thus dividing their allegiance; Igbos living at Akure, in effect, are now loyal to the idiot Eze NdiIgbo. A man who is not a chief in his Igbo land wants to become one at Yoruba land. He does not automatically realize that what he is aiming at divides loyalty to the Deji of Akure (all people living in the Deji's kingdom, Igbo or not must be loyal to him).

     In what part of the world would a monarch allow foreigners living in his realm to express loyalty to rulers other than their selves?

      Can you imagine a French man living in England saying that he is the king of the French men in England? What do you think would happen to him? A few hundred years ago, the English would chop his head off at the London Tower. Heck, they chopped off Queen Mary’s head for daring to present herself as a rival competitor to the English throne.

    Igbos are not really doing what they do because they are bad folks but because they are childish! They are politically naïve, so unsophisticated that you wonder if they are part of this world.

      If the silly Eze NdiIgbo had any awareness of the nature of power (defined by Harold Lasswell as who gets what where and when) he would not have dared to challenge the power of the local monarch (albeit it ceremonial in these days of secular rule).

      I tell you what, one must laugh at Igbos foolishness rather than allow it to annoy one.    

     I read what Obi Nwakanma wrote and wondered from what planet he came from. That man is  a total idiot (he is an idiot who writes good English; I used to think that he is merely disingenuous and a trouble maker, a man who writes fiction and takes it for historical and political reality, but I have now come to the realization that the man actually believes in the rubbish he writes; as such he is an idiot, pure and simple.

    I suggest that you laugh at the Igbo king in Yorubaland (how come non Igbos do not come to AlaIgbo to claim rulership of Alaigbo, as Igbos do in Ala Yoruba?).

      One must laugh for, as they say, laughter is the best medicine.

 

Ozodiobi Osuji

 

*Yes: Igbos are always asking for someone to kill them; they literally beg for pogrom and genocide; they do so because they are childish folks who do not understand politics and the play of power in human society. If you challenge people’s power you have asked them to kill you; so, if you must do so be prepared to fight!

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:33 AM, 'Ayo Ojutalayo' via NaijaEvent <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

The bottom line is that Igbos are always at loggerheads with their hosts/host-communities! This happens in and outside Nigeria. Until Obi Nwakanma and others that encourage Igbos' misbehavior outside Igboland repent, the misbehavior will continue. Unfortunately, the consequences are not always palatable for Igbos.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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Subject:Re: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

Calling yourself "Eze Igbo" with no visible domain, in another man's territory and pointing your finger in the man's face on his own land, can only buy Igbos grief of a lifetime. I don't stay in the beginning, I don't participate in the middle of any argument, I just go to the end of a discourse with impending fracas. Once I told the Mumuigbos on this forum that Ladipo market will be history, they laff-ed, some Igbos laff so tay, they choked on their vomit. Is Ladipo market still standing? If there is one thing Democracy has done right, it is the handing over authority to the indigenes. Yoruba people at a juncture will abruptly determine the Final Fate of Igbos among them, be it thru state regulations and state legislations of what constitute punishable offenses against traditional kingship, who owns and controls traditional markets such as Adesida-Akure historical market, Akesan market etc. These are areas that need to be legally defined by our State lawmakers. I know how it always end for Igbos. It never ends well for Igbos, this is not "odera". Shikena Afis “Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:57 AM, 'Wharfery Snake' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > "Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia." - IBK of Chagga > > The above currently exists. They are everywhere and that includes NYC, Atlanta, Accra, Ghana, and even in Jerusalem. I have not read of one in Mecca though. > > WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Vin Otuonye <vincent...@msn.com> wrote: >> >> Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia. >

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Subject: RE: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

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[Philip Achusim]

Nwanna:

Did you consider my take on the issue? Eze Ndi Igbo could really mean the Igbo representative, the ambassador of the Igbo in that community. Eze could be a misnomer. But the intent to have a single leader of the Igbo in  a community outside Igbo land is a commendable one. Remember that the so called Eze Ndigbo in Akure could neither levy taxes not collect dues, could neither legislate not enforce any laws. I see him as someone an Igbo with a grievance in Akure could approach for discussions of his grievances and how best to handle them. I see him as a leader that the mayor of Akure could convey his concerns about Igbo activities in Akure that needed curtailed, before massive arrests of Igbo. I see him as a person the Yoruba leaders in Akure could convey congratulatory messages to the Igbo. 

Having said the above, an individual elected as Igbo representative in Akure could misbehave, same as any other elected person. Mayor, governor or whoever. That this particular Eze Ndigbo was bad, must mean that he was the one and only Eze Ndigbo Akure has ever had or will ever have. In Lagos, my townsman, Chief J Obi held a similar position in Lagos. Alokija or something like that. That anyone after him misbehaves in that capacity in Lagos does not mean that the position should be banned. Instead the bad person should be replaced. 

In the matter of semantics, maybe the Igbo should consider a more humbling title for their leaders anywhere and everywhere. The presidents and chairmen of Igbo organizations in the diaspora act like the Eze Ndigbo in Akure. And many are dethroned regularly. 


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Leye:

We are probably saying the same things on this subject. The duties and not the titles should be our concern. One can call themselves what they want, but they better be careful about what they do. In Chicago and the surrounding suburbs, many Nigerians are referred to as Mayor. They mayors of these cities are not concerned about the Nigerian mayors. And the Nigerian mayors know  the limitations of the titles. 

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Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] DEJI OF AKURE ...... USE THE BUSES ...... THEY'RE FREE, DRIVERS INCLUDED......Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

 

 

Na wah for Iyanminrin Igbo people o,

Olorun gbo, Wallahi Tallahi.

Only God Himself knows why those ngbati-ngbati Yoroba people of Yorobaland are always too gentle on rude Iyanminrin Igbo visitors dwelling on their lands, disrespecting them, their culture and their kingdom.

If you slap any Yoroba man, he will turn the other cheek to you and tell you to slap him again.

That's why everybody slaps guys like Afis or Ojutalayo at will and get away with it.

Let's ask those Iyanminrin Igbo people,

How come there is no single "Eze Palace" in Maiduguri, Bauchi, Mubi, Madalla or Yola?

CHEI!!!

Those Kanuri/Fulani people will slash their throats like they do cows. Those Iyanminrin Igbos know them, they won't mess with those BOKO-related people over there. It is when they get online in these forums that they blow their useless trumpet. EMPTY BARRELS.

Send just two or three BOKO boys to that loud, foul-mouthed Vincent Modebelu's village, the moment they yell their "Allah-U-Akbar" just once, that motherfucking idiotic bastard Modebelu will be the first to pick-am-for-race, (in the wrong direction). The louder they are, the worst of cowards they also are, those Nwa-Osus, efulefu, Iyanminrin Igbos.

I remember the "yanka-wuyah" katakata wahala in Kano in the early 1960's, Chei, Chei, Chei,

Dakun gba mi Olodumare ..... God forbid bad things o...... It wasn't good at all.

So many Iyanminrin Igbo heads were rolled openly on the streets.

I witnessed one near Gwamaja, Kano, whose severed Iyanminrin head just kept rolling on the ground and his mouth still kept shouting C-H-I-N-E-K-E until it stopped 30 feet away from its lifeless body. It was a funny unforgettable experience for me o.

Please, Don't nobody warn them about my neck-of-the-wood Benue State o, Don't mention Makurdi to them.

We, in Benue State don't take any bullshit from those Nri children,

We Ezu-riverize!!!

Anyway sha, God always de-populate the Iyanminrins Igbos every ten-ten years, I think it is another time for "EXODUS, MOVEMENT OF IGBO PEOPLE", whereby we see them lorry-loaded, jam-packed like sardines, forced to head home to their Igboland.

SOMEONE MUST WARN THEM O, 

If they go out there and fuck around and they are EXPELLED again, there is no more free passage across River Benue. Every Iyannminrin Igbo must pay "Benue River Crossing Fee" to avoid being "ezu-riverized.

Whenever we "ezu-riverize", we use CONCRETE SINKERS, no dead Iyanminrin will be seen floating, smelling like dead pigs.

Quote me.

On Friday, October 16, 2015 9:33 AM, 'Ayo Ojutalayo' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

The bottom line is that Igbos are always at loggerheads with their hosts/host-communities! This happens in and outside Nigeria. Until Obi Nwakanma and others that encourage Igbos' misbehavior outside Igboland repent, the misbehavior will continue. Unfortunately, the consequences are not always palatable for Igbos.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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From:"afis 'Deinde" <odide...@gmail.com> Date:Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:27 am Subject:Re: [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

Calling yourself "Eze Igbo" with no visible domain, in another man's territory and pointing your finger in the man's face on his own land, can only buy Igbos grief of a lifetime. I don't stay in the beginning, I don't participate in the middle of any argument, I just go to the end of a discourse with impending fracas. Once I told the Mumuigbos on this forum that Ladipo market will be history, they laff-ed, some Igbos laff so tay, they choked on their vomit. Is Ladipo market still standing? If there is one thing Democracy has done right, it is the handing over authority to the indigenes. Yoruba people at a juncture will abruptly determine the Final Fate of Igbos among them, be it thru state regulations and state legislations of what constitute punishable offenses against traditional kingship, who owns and controls traditional markets such as Adesida-Akure historical market, Akesan market etc. These are areas that need to be legally defined by our State lawmakers. I know how it always end for Igbos. It never ends well for Igbos, this is not "odera". Shikena

Afis “Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81. Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:57 AM, 'Wharfery Snake' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > "Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia." - IBK of Chagga > > The above currently exists. They are everywhere and that includes NYC, Atlanta, Accra, Ghana, and even in Jerusalem. I have not read of one in Mecca though. > > WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin. >

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>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Vin Otuonye <vincent...@msn.com> wrote: >>

>> Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia. >

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It should naturally flow from Obi Nwakanma's unidirectional argument that the Brits, who have chosen to retain the monarchy, as part of their political arrangement, are guilty of perpetuating an extremely entrenched oligopoly? 

One of the odious traits exhibited by Obi Nwakanma, with his hollow and shallow line of thought, is this supremarcist insularity! It is cocky and utterly unadvised.

I have read most of his gibberish on this subject which utterly demystifies the inimitable erudition associated with  him . Without a clearheaded understanding of the legal synergy of the traditional institutions and established political authority, in modern Nigeria's jurisprudential arrangement, he exhibited collosal confusion in the unbundling of his thoughts.

At present,  he is no longer making sense but merely hearing the echo of his voice.

I am never given to attacking any culture; the unadvised position of Obi Nwakanma only exposes Igbo in the various communities outside the South East.

There is a stage that wise people step back and learn from others because no one is a repository of all knowledge. But I am not too sure IF Obi Nwakanma has such maturity of mind to appreciate the importance of gleaning from peers.

Unfortunately,  it was under Gen Ironsi that Nigeria made incursions into unitarism from the near perfect Federal structure. Even with the defective Federalism subsisting in Nigeria, inhabiting in an area, outside your traditional enclave, comes with inherent duties and responsibilities. 

I rest for now.

Rotimi Fashakin.

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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

For whatever value it holds, Major General Olufemi Olutoye (rtd.) is the Alani of Idoani.

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Subject: RE: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to
dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

Dr. Aluko:I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with this info. So, under Ondo state law as it is, "traditional rulers" are graded and paid by the state. Well, good for them. Except that residents of the state are yet to develop enough political consciousness, and organize a movement to end such an arbitrary prebendal preferment. It is illegal preferment, and a properly elected and politically conscious parliament would have (a) abolished such institutions by an act of parliament, (b) abolished any payments under such clientelist, rent-seeking illegality that transfers the wealth and tax of ordinary Ondo people to the pockets of a worthless institution. Often, the excuse that these are the "custodians" of the culture of the people is a fraudulent means of perpetuating an extremely entrenched oligopoly. This is the source of corruption - the officially sanctioned corruption that is no worse than a government paying off the Mafia, parading themselves as "traditional rulers." Someday, the people of Ondo will wake up, and discover the meaninglessness of this fraud, and respond appropriately. But at the moment, for as long majority of the people are comatose, and they have no clear-sighted ideological leadership, the Ondo state government can continue to grade and pay-off its chiefs, rather than build well appointed  schools, parks, beautiful public housing, modern public transportation, and even provide, clean water and cheap, government guaranteed loans to young entrepreneurs, they pay off pseudo-monarchs.
Meanwhile, I see you're determined to push the Igbo out of "Yoruba Kingdoms"  whatever that means. Perhaps it will not be too long from now, when the Igbo will once again grow tired of all these backwardness and harassment, and summon every Igbo , who identifies as Igbo back to Igbo land, and make it clear that whoever chooses to live anywhere else in the South West of Nigeria, outside Igbo land, does so at their own risk, and will remain at the mercy of their "host communities." The Igbo will no longer speak out when such Igbo are killed, robbed, harassed, maimed, dispropriated, etc. If the Igbo wants to travel, and settle beyond Igbo land, let them head towards more receptive grounds. Let them leave landed property, or exchange it for cash, dismantle machinery, and leave the South West of Nigeria and resettle in Igbo land, and everywhere else in West Africa and Central West Africa, up to the Congo. The Igbo may have to draw that curtain soon, and leave the South West of Nigeria once again for the likes of you and Leye Ige. The day the Igbo leave Akure, they will leave with them, everything that makes Akure now seem like it matters. And that time will not be long, the way you folk are going.Obi Nwakanma

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Obi Nwakanma:
The traditional rulers of Ondo State are recognzed by law by Ondo State, and are graded Grades A, B, C and D.  Any others are Grade F.
And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

https://www.ondostate.gov.ng/new/traditional_rulers.php

TRADITIONAL RULERS IN ONDO STATE:[His Excellency, Dr. Olusegun Mimiko in a group photograph with the Traditional Rulers in Ondo State]Below are the list of all Traditional Rulers in Ondo State on Local Government Area basis.OWO LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba Folagbade Olateru OlagbegiOlowo of OwoA2Oba Abel Olaleye AladeOlupele of IpeleB3VacantOloba of UsoC4Oba Simeon Adedubaje, Adeyefa IElemure of EmureC5Oba R. A. AladetanyeAsuada of IsuadaC6Oba Omotunde Alaba AdakoOniyere of IyereC7Oba Okikiola Adetifa IIIAlale of IdasinC8Oba (Col.) S. I. B. AdemulegunOlupemen of IpemenC9Oba Kofoworola OladoyinboOjomoluda of Ijebu OwoCONDO EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba N. O. AdenusiYangede of EpeCILAJE LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba Lawrence A. A. Omowole IIIAmapetu of MahinA2Oba. Fredric Obateru AkinruntanOlugbo of UgboA3VacantOlikan of EtikanB4VacantMaporure of AheriC5Oba (Dr.) Kalejaye OlatunjiOdede of Igbo - EgunrinD6Oba E. E. IkuomolaAlagho of OdonlaD7VacantOlu of IgbokodaD8Oba A. K. IkuesanOlubo of Obe - NlaD9VacantOduka of Obe - OgbaroD10Oba Samuel Olumide EdemaMalokun of AtijereD11VacantAlaboto of AbotoDIDANRE LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba (Dr.) Fredrick Aroloye , JP, Arubiefin IVOwa of IdanreA2Oba G. Olakunle OgunlowoAwosunye of Atosin-IdanreC3Oba Olusegun AkinbolaAladeokun of AladeCAKOKO SOUTH WEST LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba Alhaji [Dr.] Y. A. Adeleye J.P. OONOlubaka of OkaA2Oba Nurudeen AdegoroyeOloba of ObaB3Oba Adejoro AdedejiOlusupare of SupareB4VacantAlale of AkungbaB5Oba Olokunbola AdedoyinOnikun of IkunCIRELE LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba C.O.LebiOlofun of IreleA2Oba J.T. DahunsiOdogbo of OmiB3VacantLarogbo of AkotogboB4Oba T.O. Adesayo J.P.Ahaba of AjagbaB5VacantLaragunshin ofIyansanC6Oba Samuel OyegbemiLighogho of Iju-OsunCILE- OLUJI/ OKEIGBO LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba [Engr.] Suulade A. AdedugbeJegun of Ile-OlujiA2VacantOlu-Oke of Oke-IgboBONDO WEST LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba (Dr.) Victor Adesimbo Kiladejo, Jilo IVOsemawe of OndoA2VacantAlara of IgunsinC3Oba A. A. AderehinwoAsafunrin of IgbadoD4Oba Pius AderinluwoAkinnuwa of IgbindoD5Oba Julius Adetinoye FadojutimiOloja of IlunlaD6Oba Sir [Dr.] Samuel Adeyemi AkinmusireOludoko of UdokoDAKOKO SOUTH EAST LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba A. Adesunloye Oyolola IIIOlisua of IsuaA2Oba Francis M. ApataOlupe of IpeB3Oba Oyekan GeorgeGbiri of EpinmiC4Oba Anthony OlugbojaOlufira of IfiraC5VacantOlupesi of IpesiC6Oba Julius OgunolaOlusosan of SosanDODIGBO LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba Aderemi AdelolaAjobu of Araromi-ObuA2Oba .D. Osebayo Adetula AkinloyeOrunja of OdigboB3Oba Johnson OlatomideOlore of OreC4Oba Patrick Adegeye Osuwekomi, Jilobeyo IIAkogbe of AjueC5Oba Festus Adenika AdekungbeOporo of OroD6VacantOworofun of LapahunD7Oba Pius A. AdewoleAkamuja of IgborowoD8Oba M. Olaniyi AkinwandeAjamolu of OnisereDESE-ODO LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1VacantAgadagba of Arogbo-Ijaw IbeA2VacantKalasuwe of ApoiA3Oba E. O. EgbukuyomiOdogun of IgbekeboC4Oba Raphael OyedeleOlu of IgbobiniC5Oba Adeniyi AjayiGbaluwe of IgbotuC6Oba F. A. OmosegbonNiyon of KiriboC7Oba Moses Omomofe OlomuTakunbe of IpokeD8Oba M. A. OlasehindeJowe of EnikorogbaD9Oba (Cmdr.) Olatunbosun-LuyiIbini of OjualaD10VacantOkiribiti of SabomiDAKURE SOUTH LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba Adebiyi Adegboye AdesidaDeji of AkureA2Oba Bamidele AkosileOlojoda of OdaC3Oba J. O. OjoIralepo of IsikanD4Oba Olukayode OluwatuyiOsolo of IsoloD5Oba Omoniyi OlufunmilayoAkapinsa of IpinsaDOKITIPUPA LOCAL GOVERNMENTSNNAMETITLEGRADE1Oba G. B. Faduyile AdegunAbodi of IkoyaA2Oba Gbadebo BajowaRebuja Of OsooroA3Oba Michael Obatuga AdetoyeJegun of Idepe-OkitipupaA4Oba W. AkinladeHalu of Ode-AyeB5Oba S. A. AkinlaluOrungberuwa of Ode-ErinjeB6Oba L. B. Ayelomi JPLumure of AyekaB7VacantOlura of Igbinsin-OlotoC8Oba J. 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On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dr. Aluko:I think you know the ones who are preaching vigilantism. They are the ones who talk about the extra-judicial killing of the Igbo because an Igbo chose to be called "Eze Igbo" in Akure. I have neither called for the killing, nor the destruction of anybody for making those calls, and yet you accuse me of vigilantism? Incredible! I think you should look carefully in the mirror. All I have advocated is that anyone has a right to live within the civil laws of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. The Deji of Akure is no sovereign; the constitution of Nigeria is the sovereign document, and it grants all citizens, irrespective of ethnicity, religion, or social status, equality before the law. There certainly can be no two captains in a ship. The Deji cannot be a sovereign monarch under the republican constitution. It is a contradiction in terms. I think you are the one, Dr. Aluko, who is both obfuscatory, or deliberately mischievous.Obi Nwakanma

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:10:21 +0100
Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
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Obi Nwakanma:
You should drop this obfuscatory advocacy....you are safely far away in Michigan or somewhere, and yet you are advocating cultural disobedience and vigilantism.....it endangers rather than helps your people Igbo, our neighbors and co-citizens.
We are not talking about the Chairman or President of a cultural or religious association.  We are taking about territorial suzerainty.....and there can be no two suzerains within the same territory, otherwise that is a recipe for chaos.
Please revise your priors on this subject.

Bolaji Aluko

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:



Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized. There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say. Obi Nwakanma

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:21:55 -0400

Subject: RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

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Prof Nwakanma,

Note the following facts as we continue to wringle through this maze of “Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure” saga:
1.      The Deji of Akure is an “Officially paid position” in the official Govt of Nigeria; fact!
2.      Any Nigerian citizen in Akure (including of a citizen of Igbo or Tiv ancestry) can contest for any position in the official Govt in the State, even the Local Govt Chairman in Akure. It is a constitutional right!
3.      However, not every Nigerian citizen [even he/she resides in Akure] will qualify to contest for or occupy the positions of traditional authorities in Ondo state including the Deji of Akure. FACT!
If you agree with the foregoing FACTs, we can move forward on this issue.

Take care. JUI
On Oct 16, 2015 3:53 PM, "Rex Marinus" <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:



IBK, maybe I should spell it out so that you will understand it clearly: if the Igbo have been in Akure for over 100 years, they are no longer "foreigners" to Akure. They do not need to register, unless it is for the purpose of general civic registration required of them by law, specially in Akure. They could congregate, establish their homes, transact their business, acquire land, build their churches, establish their shrines, including the shrine of Amadioha, for those who still subscribe to the traditional religion, dedicate sacred groves, invite their priests, and elect from among themselves, representatives, if it serves their own interests.The constitution of Nigeria grants them all that. Deji of Akure is the symbolic head of traditional Akure society, in its most primordial state. But Akure, as a state capital is today, no longer bound strictly to Akure primordialism. It is being built as a cosmopolitan Nigerian city. Its government is not decided by the Deji, but by those who have established residency in Akure, who are the city electors, among whom are the Igbo. Nobody today can be Chairman of the Akure Local government, without appealing to Igbo voters. And if the Igbo organize themselves well enough as an electoral bloc, may even support a candidate and win elections, including as Chairmen and Councilors in Akure. Unless your head is in the sand, that is the current reality.

Even in your "limited" use of the term, a "foreigner" does not have those rights. There is Igbo culture in Akure, and it is one that has been one hundred years in the making, unless you wish to deny it. Nothing the Deji does can obscure this. Again, the word "Eze" does no necessarily mean king. True Igbo make no kings. They have no need for such backward, awkward, childish, and medieval things. The Igbo were modern long before modernity. The Igbo abandoned the crowning of kings, long, long, before the European enlightenment. After Europe emerged from the dark ages, they suddenly knew what the Igbo had known for thousands of years: "Ezebuiro." Read Voltaire. The Yoruba too will emerge from the "dark ages" of monarchism and feudalism, but it will take the likes of you, a couple more thousand years to arrive at where the Igbo arrived ages ago, on the subject of kings. So I think, "Eze Igbo" in Akure is not the kind of "Eze" you have in mind. But whatever it is, he has a right to bear his title, however foolish, and I think it is a foolish and pretentious title. On the other hand, I think that the Deji has a right to break the man's head, if he claiming to be "Eze Igbo," comes to the Deji's palace to make claims about ownership of a "throne" in Akure. I will be the first to ask him to eat shit.Obi Nwakanma

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Obi Nwakanma,



You are the master of obfuscation.  Tell us what law governs the Eze Igbo Akure Issue?  You first ran under the banner of freedom of association and who told you anyone stopped Igbo associating in Akure?  The have been doing so for over 100 years!  You fall flat on your sorry Igbo arse on that score.



Then you came under the corporation laws, why are they not applying to the Corporate Affairs Commission for registration?



The word foreign here is used in a limited way to denote cultural practices indigenous to Akure and environs.  Can three Yoruba people go to Okija and want one of them to be the Oba Yoruba of Okija?  In matters of Eze or Igwe, the Igbo culture with their Ononwu and Indichie and the shrines and gods like Amadioha and symbols like Offor etc are foreign.  They have no place within Yoruba Akure culture.



Twist and wriggle as much as you wish.  You have picked a tall one here and your feeble teeth will break rather than chew this hard hide successfully.



Cheers.



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Subject: [Spam] RE: [Spam] [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

 

 

 

 
   
     
        JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.
       
        Obi Nwakanma
         

         

       
       
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          Hahaha. ..!
           
IBK, what are you for allover African countries? Are you retired!  Send me a flight ticket to visit you when y're in Nairobi Kenya or Johannesburg SA. Take care. JUI
         
          On Oct 16, 2015 10:33 AM, "Ibukunolu Alao Babajide" <i...@usa.net> wrote:
           

           
             
                 Joseph,
                 

                 
I left Arusha in 2010 and since been to Khartoum and I am now in Juba, South Sudan.  Now that Buhari is in post, my work is half done and I do not need to bandy words with dolts on these forums any longer!
                 

                 
Lest I forget well done on your hard work on Ebola!
                 

                 
Cheers.
                 

                 
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Subject: [Spam] [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
                   

                   

                   

                   
                     
                       
                          """In the third and final list the residual list are matters that are related to the heritage and traditions of the people that is the sole preserve of the local people and their state and local government administration.  That is where this Eze Igbo matter falls.  The Deji of Akure is the paramount traditional ruler in his kingdom and he can legally allow or dismiss any other king ruling in that kingdom especially an alien king.......The Deji of Akure has the powers to deny any mushroom king within his domain and he has done so! """...Unquote IBK!

                         
                         
                           

                         
                          Thanks IBK for once again validating JUI's mindset, that the concepts in most professions [law, medicine, accounts etc] are anchored on Commonsense, which may not be not appear Common on the face valuation. Take care. JUI [wondering where IBK has been hiding in Arusha Tanzania!]
                         
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                            On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Ibukunolu Alao Babajide <i...@usa.net> wrote:
                             

                             
                               
                                   Dear Joe,
                                   

                                   
Obi Nwakanma yet again allows his ethnic Igbo revanchist blinkers to deny him good reason or legal accuracy.
                                   

                                   
Under our Federal Constitution, we have three legislative competence lists.  They are:
                                   

                                   
1.  The Exclusive List;
                                   
2.  The Concurrent List; and
                                   
3.  The Residual List.
                                   

                                   
In the Exclusive list are issues exclusive to the federal government at the centre and this includes the registration of corporate associations.  That is done by the Corporate Affairs Commission, and this Eze Igbo matter falls outside its ambit despite Obi Nwakanma@s sophistry as pleading it as a freedom of association matter.  There are many associations that are not allowed under the law.  He may try to form an association of armed robbers and see how swift the law will grab his balls.  In the same category are seditious associations like MASSOB and other Biafran related illegal associations challenging the sovereignty of Nigeria.  That is a matter for a different exchange.
                                   

                                   
In the Concurrent list are issues where both the federal and the state can both legislate and this includes areas like health, education and similar areas.
                                   

                                   
In the third and final list the residual list are matters that are related to the heritage and traditions of the people that is the sole preserve of the local people and their state and local government administration.  That is where this Eze Igbo matter falls.  The Deji of Akure is the paramount traditional ruler in his kingdom and he can legally allow or dismiss any other king ruling in that kingdom especially an alien king of kingless people (Igbo enwe Eze) Igbos have no kings.
                                   

                                   

Since the British enacted the Warrant Chiefs Ordinance in Eastern Nigeria, these kingless people have outdone those who have kings in bastardizing the institution of kingship by installing themselves kings if they number two or three in any place all over the world.  Soon we shall hear of the Eze Igbo of Siberia.
                                   
The Deji of Akure has the powers to deny any mushroom king within his domain and he has done so!

                                   

                                   
Cheers.
                                   

                                   
IBK
                                   

                                   
                                     
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Subject: [Spam] Re: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

                                     

                                     
                                       
                                           Prof Nwakanma,
                                           
As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!
                                           
  Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, traditional authority is ALWAYS anchored on a geographical location or domain, although traditions can be practiced and tolerated in several places than the homeland because they don't exert the authorities in those foreign lands; it just a personal issue. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Eze of Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain in a foreign land! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! The reality is that any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!
                                           

                                             Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! Immigrant can practice their traditions to the extent that the practices don't conflict with the rules of traditional authorities of the indigenes. If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be no indigeneship issues in Nigeria; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship in any traditional domain will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI
                                           
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                                              On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 11:26 PM, 'Afis Deinde' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
                                               

                                               
                                                 
                                                    These guys blow too much Turenchi.
                                                   
                                                    When the stupid man was decked and chased out of the palace, none of these Turenchi throwers went to rescue him.
                                                     
When his "palace" will burn down and his Igbos chased out of Akure, I pray Obi Nwakanma be there to burn along!
                                                     

                                                      Afis
                                                     
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"If the Igbo wants to travel, and settle beyond Igbo land, let them head towards more receptive grounds. Let them leave landed property, or exchange it for cash, dismantle machinery, and leave the South West of Nigeria and resettle in Igbo land, and everywhere else in West Africa and Central West Africa, up to the Congo" . . . Obi Nwakanma

Obi,

This is easier than asking Igbos to respect their host communities?

Ayo Ojutalayo

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. ” . . . Martin Luther King Jr

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Subject: RE: [africanworldforum] RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Obi Nwakanma:

It should give you great comfort to note that I do not wish to "push the Igbo" out of Yorubaland, and in fact I cannot.  But if your rampaging super-menschen attitude - masquerading as constitutional protection of cultural vigilantism, which I have always railed against in these forums - and unwise step by Ilonai are adopted by many an Igbo community residing OUTSIDE of Igboland, it will make them both unwelcome and uncomfortable.  The tragedy is that you will quietly continue to live your life in Michigan - or wherever you are - spinning well-crafted English yarns, while conflict will brew in Igbo-X communities around Nigeria.

You will do well to read your fellow Igbo Ken Asagwara and Ezeana Achusim's wise counsels and takes on this matter.  No reasonable person can reject the notion of an appointed or elected leader to an identifiable or self-identified group of persons, particularly if they have been identified by law.  In fact, such a leadership is welcome, because then certain persons can be held accountable, and issues pertaining to the whole group can be addressed by speaking to that leadership.  But it is the arrogant claim BOTH of territorial control (Akure town, or even portion thereof, outside of his own home or estate) AND parity with an existing constitutional suzerain (the Deji of Akure), that are unwise and totally unacceptable.

Let ALL the Igbos - or just even a sizeable number - in Akure form an Association of Igbos in Akure (AIA) - and register it either with Abuja's CAC or Ondo State Government.  Let the President or Chairman of AIA under its constitution be called (formally or informally) Eze Igbo AIA - or even Eze Igbo Akure for short. I doubt if anybody will quarrel with that.  But leading a group of people is not leading a territory - just as a pastor leading the Redeemed Church in Akure does not make him claim leadership OF Akure and parity with the Deji of Akure.

That would be ridiculous.

For the sake of your people, you and the so-called Eze Igbo of Akure should learn greater humility.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS:  Although I am not an Akure indigene, a substantial portion of my extended family lives in Akure, and I visit and stay in Akure quite a number of times each year.  Two weeks when in Akure, I could NOT fail to notice the number of stores owned by Igbos - with their names prominent on their stores - along Oba Adesida Road and around the market.  Clearly, they feel welcome, otherwise they would not so self-identify.  Yes, the day should not come, but Akure without the Igbo will not be the Akure of today....but it will still be Akure.

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ezeana Achusim Igirigi:

May your tribe increase...on this narrow matter ! :-)

There is a senior citizen and friend in Washington DC  - Dr. Ignatius Ukpabi - who is affectionately called "Mayor" by everybody - at least many Africans, particularly Nigerians - in Washington DC, and has been so called for at least 20-25 years - at least ever since I knew him.  His being called that has NEVER threatened the existing recognized Mayor of Washington, elected ever so often.  Even some of those Mayors have called Ukpabi "Mayor" when they see him!

So it is not what you call yourself that matters, but what you do.  Dr. Ukpabi has never set up a "Mayor's Office" on One 14th Street in Washington DC, then hired some armed guards and called them 'Mayoral Police", and started issuing tickets to wrongly parked cars on 14th Street, nor has he required that all shops on 14th Street should pay taxes to One 14th Street.  That day is when his a***s will be hauled before District Court - and he will be shown who the REAL Mayor is! :-)

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

Smiling as he recalls "Mayor" Ukpabi!

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Otitigbe:

On this issue and advice by you below, we agree completely.  It would be foolish for a Yoruba fellow to go to some community in Hausa- or Fulani-land, and proclaim himself an Oba or Emir, or come to Ijaw-land and call himself an Oba or even Obanema or Amayanabo, with parity thereof! :-)  

That is an invitation to chaos, and I really don't know why that notion is so difficult to grab.

Obi Nwakanma and his super-menschen ilk should take note, and not hide under some fake constitutional protection of anarchy and cultural vigilantism.  

By the way, the Fulani herdsmen of yore around Akure (aka Falae so-called abductors) are mobile merchants; the Igbos there are sedentary ones.  In Yorubaland, they are two sides of the same economic coin - mobile merchants and sedentary merchants.

Lets think about that......

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD <otit...@oviri.com.ar> wrote:

Bolaji.
The Igbos agree. The Eze Igbo may use a crown inside his house when Igbo come to him jus like othe communites nonidigen do in Yorubaland and have challengeabl authority to their community to protect their culture, but non o them is sovereign. The only soveriegn is the traditional ruler anywhere in Africa.
The case of this Igbo Eze is that his followers started to boast to natives and here you have rea Igbo condemn him.
All over traditional Africa, it is a taboo to have two sovereign in the same domain. What we need her is put a limit to Eze Igbo or Oba Urhobo in Akure to know that their is just a priviledge and not a right.
Otitigbe.

El 16/10/2015 a las 21:40, Mobolaji Aluko escribió:

Nowa, Obi Nwakanma and co:

It is a cultural taboo in Yorubaland to have two kings in the same kingdom...that is the cap of what the ARG (Afenifere Renewal Group) has just written: In fact, 

QUOTE

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/191631-afenifere-asks-south-west-governors-obas-to-de-recognise-eze-ndigbos-in-yorubaland.html

“It is globally accepted that there cannot be two kings in the same domain as there cannot be two captains in the same boat.”

UNQUOTE

.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 1:00 AM, 'Nowa Omoigui' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Prof Marinus

QUESTION: Are constitutions not written by man?  Yes or No?

QUESTION: Is the track record of migrant groups all over the world, and the way they manage their relationships with host communities and their cultural norms not a factor?

QUESTION: Why is Israel so sensitive to the return of Palestinian refugees to ancestral lands?  What is the underlying principle behind immigration policies in Israel? Is Israeli policy not 'constitutional'?

FACT:  Acculturation, association and assimilation are complicated dynamics influenced by multiple considerations including institutional memory, and fears of cultural liquidation.  MAN is not a robot.

NAO

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Subject: RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.

Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.

Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized. There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say. 

Obi Nwakanma

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Subject: RE: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.
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Prof Nwakanma,
Note the following facts as we continue to wringle through this maze of “Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure” saga:

1.      The Deji of Akure is an “Officially paid position” in the official Govt of Nigeria; fact!

2.      Any Nigerian citizen in Akure (including of a citizen of Igbo or Tiv ancestry) can contest for any position in the official Govt in the State, even the Local Govt Chairman in Akure. It is a constitutional right!

3.      However, not every Nigerian citizen [even he/she resides in Akure] will qualify to contest for or occupy the positions of traditional authorities in Ondo state including the Deji of Akure. FACT!

If you agree with the foregoing FACTs, we can move forward on this issue.
Take care. JUI

On Oct 16, 2015 3:53 PM, "Rex Marinus" <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

IBK, maybe I should spell it out so that you will understand it clearly: if the Igbo have been in Akure for over 100 years, they are no longer "foreigners" to Akure. They do not need to register, unless it is for the purpose of general civic registration required of them by law, specially in Akure. They could congregate, establish their homes, transact their business, acquire land, build their churches, establish their shrines, including the shrine of Amadioha, for those who still subscribe to the traditional religion, dedicate sacred groves, invite their priests, and elect from among themselves, representatives, if it serves their own interests.The constitution of Nigeria grants them all that. Deji of Akure is the symbolic head of traditional Akure society, in its most primordial state. But Akure, as a state capital is today, no longer bound strictly to Akure primordialism. It is being built as a cosmopolitan Nigerian city. Its government is not decided by the Deji, but by those who have established residency in Akure, who are the city electors, among whom are the Igbo. Nobody today can be Chairman of the Akure Local government, without appealing to Igbo voters. And if the Igbo organize themselves well enough as an electoral bloc, may even support a candidate and win elections, including as Chairmen and Councilors in Akure. Unless your head is in the sand, that is the current reality.

Even in your "limited" use of the term, a "foreigner" does not have those rights. There is Igbo culture in Akure, and it is one that has been one hundred years in the making, unless you wish to deny it. Nothing the Deji does can obscure this. Again, the word "Eze" does no necessarily mean king. True Igbo make no kings. They have no need for such backward, awkward, childish, and medieval things. The Igbo were modern long before modernity. The Igbo abandoned the crowning of kings, long, long, before the European enlightenment. After Europe emerged from the dark ages, they suddenly knew what the Igbo had known for thousands of years: "Ezebuiro." Read Voltaire. The Yoruba too will emerge from the "dark ages" of monarchism and feudalism, but it will take the likes of you, a couple more thousand years to arrive at where the Igbo arrived ages ago, on the subject of kings. So I think, "Eze Igbo" in Akure is not the kind of "Eze" you have in mind. But whatever it is, he has a right to bear his title, however foolish, and I think it is a foolish and pretentious title. On the other hand, I think that the Deji has a right to break the man's head, if he claiming to be "Eze Igbo," comes to the Deji's palace to make claims about ownership of a "throne" in Akure. I will be the first to ask him to eat shit.

Obi Nwakanma

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Obi Nwakanma,

You are the master of obfuscation.  Tell us what law governs the Eze Igbo Akure Issue?  You first ran under the banner of freedom of association and who told you anyone stopped Igbo associating in Akure?  The have been doing so for over 100 years!  You fall flat on your sorry Igbo arse on that score.

Then you came under the corporation laws, why are they not applying to the Corporate Affairs Commission for registration?

The word foreign here is used in a limited way to denote cultural practices indigenous to Akure and environs.  Can three Yoruba people go to Okija and want one of them to be the Oba Yoruba of Okija?  In matters of Eze or Igwe, the Igbo culture with their Ononwu and Indichie and the shrines and gods like Amadioha and symbols like Offor etc are foreign.  They have no place within Yoruba Akure culture.

Twist and wriggle as much as you wish.  You have picked a tall one here and your feeble teeth will break rather than chew this hard hide successfully.

Cheers.

IBK

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JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.

Obi Nwakanma

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[Joe Attueyi]

Thank you for the above. I am disgusted reading educated people making overt threat and subtle incitement against Ndiigbo in the South West. What manner of country is this anyway? I am equally disgusted with Ndiigbo who live among people who despise them. It is ridiculous that adults cannot disagree without resorting to threats of annihilating people they disagree with

Amadiebube

I won't make the above over generalisation. 

I have lived most of my life in Yorubaland including one year in Akure. I have never felt threatened overtly or covertly. Needless to say by nature of where I was brought up & reside a large proportion of my friends are Yorubas. 

The fact of the matter, in my view, is that the reality of the relationship between our people on ground zero is the opposite of the impression created on these forums by a few people. 

If you google these Igbo- Yoruba diatribes on these forums you will see some consistency in both the purveyors and the triggers. Mostly folks older than 60 years, living in diaspora but grew up in Nigeria as what the Yorubas call ara-oko, in the twilight of their years they are looking for something that will make them relevant to the society they left behind---which unfortunately for them has also left them behind. 

Joe

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Chiwuikem Ihediwa:

You wrote:

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The Oni of Ife, the Oba of Lagos, the Oba of Benin, the Emir of Gwadangwuri, Kano  etc. are all useless as far as the Nigerian constitution is concerned, they do not have any role to play, zilch, zero. They are there for decorations period, Nigeria does not recognize institutional monarc

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Well, paraphrasing a famous American Senator, it is not what you don't know that bothers me, but what you claim to know so well that just ain't so......

Now take a look at this:

QUOTE

https://www.naij.com/433193-jonathan-appoints-new-chancellors-for-federal-universities.html

Below is the full list of all the new Chancellors, their states of origin and the institutions they head:

1. Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Sa’ad Abubakar (Sokoto)  - University of Ibadan

2. Emir of Kano Alh. Muhammadu Sanusi II (Kano) - University of Benin

3. Obot Akara, Umo Adiaka (Akwa-Ibom) - Modibbo Adama University of Technology, Yola

4. Obi of Onitsha, Igwe Alfred Achebe (Anambra) - Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria

5. Emir of Bauchi, Alhaji Rilwanu Sulaiman Adamu (Bauchi) - Federal University of Technology, Akure

6. Lamido of Adamawa, Dr. Barkindo Aliyu Mustapha (Adamawa) - Federal University of Technology, Owerri

8. Tor Tiv, Akawe Torkula (Benue) - University of Calabar

9. Etsu Nupe, Alhaji Yahaya Abubakar (Niger) - Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife

10. Emir of Gombe, Alhaji Abubakar Shehu Abubakar (Gombe) - Michael Okpara University of Agriculture, Umudike, Abia State

11. Asagba of Asaba, Chike Edozien (Delta) - Federal University, Gashua

12. Isuoha 1 of Ohaisu, Afikpo, Ezeogu Engr. Ewa Elechi (Ebonyi) - Federal University, Gusau

13. Ewi of Ado-Ekiti, Oba Michael Adejugbe (Ekiti) - Abubakar Tafawa Balewa University, Bauchi

14. Igwe Chikezie Agubuzu (Enugu) - National Open University of Nigeria, Lagos

15. Obong of Calabar, Edidem Ekpo Okon Abasi Otu V (Cross-River) - University of Agriculture, Abeokuta

16. Obi of Obinugwu, Orju, Eze Cletus Ikechukwu Ilomuanya (Imo) - Federal University, Birnin Kebbi

17. Emir of Hadejia, Alhaji Adamu Abubakar Maje (Jigawa) - University of Uyo

18. Emir of Zazzau, Alhaji Shehu Idris (Kaduna) - Federal University of Technology, Minna

19. Oni of Ife, Oba Okunade Sijuwade (Osun) - University of Nigeria, Nsukka

20. Emir of Katsina, Alhaji Muhammadu Kabir Usman (Katsina) - University of Ilorin

21. Emir of Gwandu, Alhaji Muhammad Iliyasu Bashar (Kebbi) - University of Port-Harcourt

22. Attah of Igala, Michael Idakwo Ameh Oboni II (Kogi) - Federal University, Oye-Ekiti

23. Emir of Ilorin, Alhaji Sulu Gambari (Kwara)  University of Agriculture, Makurdi

24. Oba of Lagos, Oba Rilwan Akiolu (Lagos) - University of Sokoto

25. Emir of Lafia, Alhaji Isa Mustapha Agwai (Nasarawa) - Federal University, Otuoke, Bayelsa State

26. Shehu of Borno, Mustapha Umar El-Kanemi (Borno) - University of Lagos

27. Amanayabo of Twon Brass, King Alfred Papa Prieye Diette Spiff (Bayelsa) - Bayero University, Kano

28. The Ibedaowei of Bomo Clan, King Joshua Igbugburu (Bayelsa) - Federal University, Lafia

29. Olowo of Owo, Oba Victor Folagbade Olateru-Olagbegi III (Ondo) - University of Jos

30. Alafin of Oyo, Oba Lamidi Olayiwola Adeyemi III (Oyo) - University of Maiduguri

31. Gbong Gwom Jos, Da Jacob Gyang Buba (Plateau) - Nnamdi Azikiwe University, Awka

32. Amanayabo of Opobo, King Dandeson Douglas, JEKI V (Rivers) - Federal University, Dutsin-Ma

33. Aku Uka of Wukari, Dr. Shekarau Masa-Ibi II (Taraba) - Federal University, Dutse

34. Ona of Abaji, Alhaji Adamu Baba Yunusa (FCT) - Federal University, Wukari, Taraba State

35. Emir of Anka, Mohammed Attahiru Ahmed (Zamfara) - Federal University of Petroleum Resources, Effurun

36. Ochidoma IV, Elias Ikoyi Obekpa (Benue) - Federal University, Kashere, Gombe State

37. Emir of Fika, Dr. Muhammadu Abali Ibn Idrisa (Yobe) - Federal University, Lokoja

38. Eze Eberechi M. Dick (Abia)  University of Abuja

39.  Alake of Egba, Oba Adedotun Aremu Gbadebo III (Ogun) - Federal University, Ndufu-Alike Ikwo, Ebonyi State

The new Chancellors’ appointments come less than a month to the end of Jonathan’s tenure.

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Res ipsa loquitur.....

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

 

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Deji of Akure Vs Eze Ndigbo Akure: The Needless Quarrel.

 

The author will start by highlighting some facts, about the quarrel between the Deji of Akure and Eze Ndigbo at Akure. You can find the story on the following link.http://thenationonlineng.net/akure-markets-shut-as-deji-eze-ndigbo-quarrel/

 

1.Igbos at Akure shut their businesses to protest the planned dethronement of their Eze Ndigbo (Sir Gregory Iloehike) at Akure, Ondo State.

 

2.The Igbos at Akure, Ondo State, warned the Deji of Akure against dethroning the Eze Ndigbo.

 

3.The Deji of Akure accused the Eze Ndigbo of insubordination and disrespect.

 

4.The Monarch (Deji of Akure) threatened to drive out the Igbos from Akure.

 

5.The youths at the Deji’s Palace attacked Eze Ndigbo Akure, who came to the Palace to honour Deji’s invitation.

 

Let me start by saying that every one (including the Igbos) has the right to protest, particularly if they perceived any form of injustice. Protest is permissible. On the issue of dethronement of Eze Ndigbo at Akure. Honestly, except the Deji of Akure installed the Eze Ndigbo himself, and perhaps recognized by the Ondo State council of chiefs/Ondo State Government, then he (Deji of Akure) might not have the powers to dethrone whom he didn’t enthrone. From the news/web link above, the Deji didn’t enthrone the Eze Ndigbo Akure. In contrast, the Eze Ndigbo claimed that he helped to install the Deji of Akure.

 

The Deji of Akure accused Eze Ndigbo of Akure, of insubordination and disrespect. The news/web link was silent on the nature of this disrespect and insubordination. But yours truly is wondering, if Eze Ndigbo later became a member of Deji’s council of chiefs or a cabinet member?  If not a member of the cabinet, then what’s the legal ways to deal with someone accused of disrespect and insubordination? It seems Deji of Akure wants to punish the Eze Ndigbo by dethroning him. Ironically he didn’t enthrone him. This approach might cause more harm than the original harm (disrespect and insubordination) he intended to solve.

 

The Monarch (Deji of Akure) threatened to drive out the Igbos from Akure. Deji of Akure got it wrong here. The constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria, guarantees every Nigerian the right to reside at any part of the country, without let or hindrances. The constitution is supreme. Therefore, issuing a threat to drive Igbos out of Akure is unconstitutional. His threat is null and void. We must tolerate and accommodate each other under the same country.

 

The youths at the palace attacked Eze Ndigbo who came to the palace to honour Deji’s invitation. This is unacceptable and highly condemnable. This shouldn’t have happened. There are legal and civilized ways to handle issues. Trusting that the palace chiefs would caution these youths. More so, hoping that reason would prevail, so as to de-escalate the tension in Akure, between the Igbos and the Yorubas. Kabiyesi (Deji of Akure), please let peace reign. Let Eze Ndigbo be.

 

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[Rex Marinus]

The problem is that we are not in "traditional Africa." We live in 21st century Africa of modern nation states, many like Nigeria with republican constitutions. These constitutions define where sovereignty lies, and it is not with the "traditional rulers." Let me again emphasize it: any group or community has a right to proclaim its own leadership, who must be protected in law. Akure is no longer simply "Yorubaland": it is a Nigerian city, and it is not governed by a "traditional ruler." In due course, anyone who pays tax in Akure , has residency in Akure, may be mobilized for a defiance campaign against the use of government money and tax payers money to pay rent to these fossilized, and primitive institutions. We must chose to live either in a republican democracy, or a constitutional monarchy. We must choose like India, to dismantle and abolish all these profoundly contradictory institutions and govern Nigeria under a progressive, liberal, democratic order, or continue to produce aberrations. Constitutional rule is the basis of the Nigerian federation, and people like the Igbo, who have a heritage of freedom and a tradition of individual rights will not subscribe or submit to any limitations in that freedom, wherever they live in Nigeria. This is bound to generate continuous conflict.

Obi Nwakanma

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[Nnaemeka Onumonu-Uzoaru]

The Eze Igbo Brouhaha

That any is surprised at current spite being generated by the Eze Igbo foolishness beats me.

What happened to the thousands of years old adage, ‘odi be ndi – respect for the way of life of other peoples’?

I am reminded that a few years back complaints were publicly lodged to Ohanaeze (?) against a so-called Eze Igbo in one of the Northern cities, because of his tyrannical ways and practices, to the extent that he was given away Igbo daughters to his friends despite the refusal and protests from the families against these horrible and indefensible practices.

How does one become an eze Igbo?

It was and is based on wealth no matter how it is acquired or intellectual ability of the train wreak.

Need we be reminded of the root of this despicable un-Igbo feudal construct?

This alien culture was introduced by none other than the ‘great Ojukwu’, an individual when alive never saw an opportunity to destroy the Igbo way of life he did not embrace; it was a ploy to mimic his born-to-rule masters and also a way to profit from the abominable practice – money na hand, no question asked. How soon we forget the dust that was raised by his coronation of two eze Igbo’s in Lagos? How did that end?

“Akure people have no problem with Mr. Grail Illoson becoming the leader and the chief spokesman for his people on issues that are important to them, but coming to Akure and asking any Deji of Akure to confer on him the title of “Eze Ndigbo” of Akure is a different ballgame altogether. It is an abomination! Only a naïve Deji who does not understand the history of his own people or the import of traditional values and sensitivities would ever grant that kind of favor.”

Dr. Wumi Akintide

Thank God that this Ojukwu’s created madness is finally being challenged, a challenge that should have come from Ohanaeze, but one does not look a gift horse in the mouth – I salute the Deji of Akure, may your days multiply!

Hopefully, this will spread all across the world as this abomination from Ojukwu will finally be consigned to the garbage dump of history, where belongs – TUFIAKWA! TUFIAKWA! TUFIAKWA! TUFIAKWA!

Emeka
Shaking head in disgust!

On Friday, October 16, 2015 10:52 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.

Obi Nwakanma

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"""And to JUI: the word "tradition" is often the recourse of the villain and the right wing. The idea of a "traditional authority" in an urbanizing society is sham. The Deji of Akure is by the very implication of Nigeria's constitution that vests all civil authority on an elected government and in courts established by acts of parliament, a sham institution, with no enforceable powers. His rights to his "tradition" does not obscure the rights of others in the same environment, deriving the same status under the law as citizens, to express their own "traditions." The only owner of the "territory" in which Ondo exists today is the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and so any claim to territoriality or a distinct "geography" outside of that is sham - that is until Ondo opts out of Nigeria, and establishes its own independent government under the monarchy of the Deji..... If the so-called "Eze Igbo" in Akure went to Deji in Akure to seek legitimacy, that is his ignorant business, because, all the legitimacy he needs has already been offered to him in the Nigerian constitution. He does not need the affirmation of the Deji of Akure, to be "Eze Igbo" in Akure, or to be "Gaaga L'ogwu of Ondo" for that matter."""....Unquote Prof Obi Nwakanma!

Prof Nwakanma, 

First of all, I dont think you can still maintain the above viewpoint, equating the authority of the Deji of Akure in his ancestral domain with the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure in a foreign land, after the lucid constitutional clarification and certification of the indigenous traditional authority, offered by IBK this morning!

Secondly, you should realize that despite the accommodation of all citizens under one national umbrella and constitution, the authorities of native American Indian Chiefs are revered and preserved in their domains in the United States; similarly, the traditional authorities [or as revised/adopted] of the Royalties [kings/queens] of all European and South African domains are protected by the laws of the land. While the rights all citizens are sacred in a nation's constitution, with freedom of association and grouping guaranteed anywhere in a nation, no nation's laws allow the implantation of a foreign traditional authority in a domain without the consent of the indigenous traditional authority. JUI believe you should know this reality more than most of us here, so that cuckoo-heads like Vin, Colly etc can learn something for a change and in place of their stark ignorance on Nigerian issues! Oooops!! Take care. JUI [ducking! Hahahaha!!]

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

First to my brother, Gibson Chigbu: I understand your skepticism about the rule of law and the use of the courts. It is of course well-founded. But the march of history is inevitable. As time goes on, and with greater pressure, these courts will provide protection. Now, some troglodyte is talking about "burning" Igbo "palaces" an driving the Igbo from Akure, or Ondo generally as if the Igbo themselves do not know how to burn palaces in Akure if it comes to that. But it is all "ma gbe e l'ese!" talk and deserves very little consideration. The Igbo are in sufficient number in Akure to seek the courts to enforce their legal rights, and persist, until that right is enforced. That is the way people have always obtained justice in history. They compel, through persistence, the courts to act. It does not come very easily.

And to JUI: the word "tradition" is often the recourse of the villain and the right wing. The idea of a "traditional authority" in an urbanizing society is sham. The Deji of Akure is by the very implication of Nigeria's constitution that vests all civil authority on an elected government and in courts established by acts of parliament, a sham institution, with no enforceable powers. His rights to his "tradition" does not obscure the rights of others in the same environment, deriving the same status under the law as citizens, to express their own "traditions." The only owner of the "territory" in which Ondo exists today is the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and so any claim to territoriality or a distinct "geography" outside of that is sham - that is until Ondo opts out of Nigeria, and establishes its own independent government under the monarchy of the Deji. I have told you that I'm not taken by this "Eze Igbo" nonsense. I prefer the more democratically elected Presidents of the Igbo Unions, but I still insist that even they, have a right to their madness, for as long as they do not break any laws. If the so-called "Eze Igbo" in Akure went to Deji in Akure to seek legitimacy, that is his ignorant business, because, all the legitimacy he needs has already been offered to him in the Nigerian constitution. He does not need the affirmation of the Deji of Akure, to be "Eze Igbo" in Akure, or to be "Gaaga L'ogwu of Ondo" for that matter. I salute you.

Obi Nwakanma

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Prof Nwakanma, 

As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, traditional authority is ALWAYS anchored on a geographical location or domain, although traditions can be practiced and tolerated in several places than the homeland because they don't exert the authorities in those foreign lands; it just a personal issue. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Eze of Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain in a foreign land! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! The reality is that any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! Immigrant can practice their traditions to the extent that the practices don't conflict with the rules of traditional authorities of the indigenes. If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be no indigeneship issues in Nigeria; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship in any traditional domain will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI

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On Oct 15, 2015 7:26 PM, "'gibsoncee' via NaijaEvent" <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Obi:

I love reading from you but this one is what an friend will call fafi. I say this with the simple authority of all the wars that have taken place and currently taking place in so many Igbo towns fighting and killing each other over autonomous communities creation and crowning of non governmental recognition. 

The so many heads of several Igbo unions of the n past co-exist ed with their host without problems.  Our Igbo towns have been mapped out by the Huasuas and Hausa enclaves created, their heads or chairmen known but none has gone to build palaces as Dankasa of Eziachi or of Nsu or Obinze. 

Finally, I ask you which court? You need to go back,  you have stayed here too long. When they finish with our man, no one will want to be Eze Igbo in Akure again. 

Did you hear about the Abubeoki of Ife again? By the way did he return after he flee. Have they buried the Ooni yet?

Have a great day. 

Gibson C Chigbu 

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JUI, for as long as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice. Akure is increasingly a city catering to a vast number of people other than the original Ondo. These groups have a right to their organizations. The civil law under which the Deji operates is the local government or municipal law, and the head of the Ondo local government is the duly elected chairman, under whose mayoral powers, with the acquiesence of the elected councilors, supersedes any pretentions the Deji of Akure may have with regards to power. Nigeria, as a REPUBLIC, does not operate under a monarchy. Nigerians living in Ondo, do not answer to the Deji of Akure. They answer to the Constitution of the Republic. The Deji must desist from this harassment, and should be taken to court, to effect an interlocutory injunction, against any interference in the pursuit of Igbo residents of Ondo to organize themselves by every legal means. I personally do not subscribe to the "Eze Igbo" idea, but we must also know that the word "Eze" in Igbo does not mean "King." In this case, it means "leader of the Igbo" in Akure. They have a right to organize themselves under any leadership they elect. The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law. I hope the Igbo in Akure prepare for a long court battle on this issue.

Obi Nwakanma

 

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:47:37 -0400

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[Rex Marinus]

Rotimi Fashakin, the Brits have consistently questioned the relevance f the monarchy, right from the Carolgnian restoration. Evey now and then they put it to vote. In any case, we are no Brits. We are Nigerians. By the way, what do you mean by "supremacist insularity?" I think you'd need to understand the very words you use before deploying them publicly. You do not throw out empty phrases because they sound sexy and impressive to you. I am fundamentally, and ideologically, anti-monarchy. I subscribe to the idea of the Republic. That is hardly "supremacist." Since you've had that word first thrown about, you have like a ventriloquist dog, without the necessary insight and discernment, continued to mouth it unfailingly like a robot.

Let me draw some picture here for you: a supremacist, like the folk in the Aryan movement, believes in the sanctity of the volk, just like some of you believe in the inevitability of the preservation of a right-wing tradition. That is the stuff that supremacists are made of. They have a fundamental fear and resentment of those who come to live among them, and who they think are violating and disrespecting their "sacred institutions," because they bring change, and represent "difference." They want the "purity of the race." They are afraid of change. Aside from being xenophobes, they are quick to prescribe genocide and ethnic cleaning as a "final solution" to these strange, and troubling populations. Now, who does this describe but you and your like.

Let me affirm my beliefs so that it should be clear to you: I am a constitutionalist, and I subscribe to Thomas Paine's immortal words, that freedom belongs to all humans, irrespective of who they are. No man should be king over another. I do not believe that the Igbo are superior to any people, nonetheless. I  however subscribe to a fundamental Igbo idea of the freedom and equality of all humans: all men are born free and equal, and are endowed uniquely by their CHI. The Igbo had known this long before it was declared publicly by the framers of the American constitution only about 200 year ago. There is no contradiction for me, in that regard, because such ideas about man allows me to think that humanity is not restricted to the Igbo alone. The Igbo do not think of man in strictly Igbo terms, but in universal terms. No Igbo, truly raised in that culture, can be "supremacist."

Let me also enlighten you a bit about this often abused term called "federalism." It is mainly about the devolution of power between governments. It is not about restrictions placed upon citizens who live in the same federation, nor is it the right to preserve a culture outside of "national culture." Federalism does not create a restrictive mandate. In a federal system, you could move from one state and reside in another, without any restrictions on your citizenship. An Igbo could thus move from Jos in Plateau state, and go on to live in Lokoja, Kogi state, without any restrictions to their citizenship. Federalism does not mean that states will make laws to restrict the movement of citizens, or restrict the value of their citizenship because they have no autochtonous roots where they choose to live. If that is your idea about federalism, then you're sorely mistaken. 

I have not attacked Yoruba culture actually. I have not said anything against Yoruba ways of celebrating marriage, childbirth, culinary culture, medicine, religion, etc. I have only said that in the 21st century, under the constitution of Nigeria, it is no longer valid for any part of Nigeria to insist on cultural purity. There are rights granted the Nigerian citizen which are superior to any ethnic traditions. Any Nigerian who lives in Akure is obligated, not to the Deji of Akure, but to the constitution of the Federal Republic, which under the very clear principle of equality makes the Deji of Akure, first of all a citizen, and secondly, EQUAL with any other citizen resident in Akure. The constitution confers no special privilege on him as "Deji of Akure" which it did not confer on the shopkeeper in Akure. Nigeria is not Britain, where the seal of the monarch is on everything, and everybody is the "subject" of the Queen, rather than the "citizen" of Great Britain. Nigerians in choosing their system clearly chose a Republican state, where all citizens are granted equal citizenship, and none is the subject of the other. Defenders of the monarchical system like you, use the excuse of "tradition" or "culture"  to confuse the issue. Not all culture is worth defending, or preserving, and critiquing that aspect of Yoruba culture must not be seen as disrespecting "Yoruba culture." If Nigerians wanted, they could have chosen, at independence, to go the way of Swaziland or Britain, and create a constitutional monarchy. But we chose to be a republic. That is what I defend. And you can chose to be churlish about it, and that is your cup of tea. But the age of the monarch is gone. It is the duty of all enlightened people to dump these queer medieval hangovers, and strenghten our system of elections, by which we exercise suffrage, and freely elect people of our choice to govern, and account to us. And by the way, the Igbo is no "immigrant" to Akure; he is a "resident" in Akure, for as long as there is no requirement of passport for him to come to Akure. He has equal rights in Akure as the Deji of Akure, under federal laws. That Igbo shopkeeper owes no other obligation, than to obey the laws of the Federal Republic published under her written constitution. You better go and read that too and stop mouthing ignorant hokum.

Obi Nwakanma

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Rotimi Fasakin:

I think that Obi Nwakanma likes the opportunity to spout his idealistic political philosophy of governance, which is really a Unitarist "Igbo" System of Constitutional Government (that is what he really means by "Republican Constitution") in which the "Igbo-ness" is as defined by him, and not necesarily the reality.

Let him come to Akure and repeat his hokum of being "equal" to the Deji of Akure in Akure.  The fact of the matter is that he is equal to the Deji of Akure IN Michigan, but not in Akure.  Even the Emir of Ilorin is NOT equal to the Deji of Akure in Akure, neither is the Deji of Akure equal to the Emir of Iorin in Ilorin.

The flat equality that he is spouting is an anarchist call........Obi Nwakanmi is an anarchist - that is not a name calling.....nothing wrong with that because that is a political label rather than a character label, but he should not pretend that he is a Constitutional Republican.

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[Philip Achusim]

But which is the real problem: the title or the person? Was this the first instance of an Eze Igbo in Akure? Why were the others before him not dethroned? You can still sing the lord's song in a strange land, but you have to sing it with respect for all. 

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[Vin Otuonye]

Joe:
 
I share your views. We share something in common. We are brought up in Yoruba land and Yoruba people are good people. We will always have riff raffs like Leye Ige, Afis, and people like Buska.
 
But also, I am just against this Eze Igbo rubbish. If anyone wants to be Eze of anywhere, let him go back to his ancestral land and become Eze. These Ezes, whether the Deji of Akure or any bloated Eze Igbo, honestly mean nothing to me. I don't care much about monarchy that much anyway.
 
Further there's always some over bloated, egotistic people like the Oba of Lagos, this Deji of Akure and others like them.
 
Nigeria is a constitutional Federal Republic, not a monarchy.
 
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye
 

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[Vin Otuonye]

Bolaji:
 
I have often asked this question. How are these traditional rulers graded? What are the criteria or requirements in grading them. I recall when Nigeria court granted a prominent public bail and one of the requirements is the surety must be a grade "A" traditional ruler. Does anyone know how these traditional rulers are graded?
 
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Obi Nwakanma:

The traditional rulers of Ondo State are recognzed by law by Ondo State, and are graded Grades A, B, C and D.  Any others are Grade F.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

https://www.ondostate.gov.ng/new/traditional_rulers.php

TRADITIONAL RULERS IN ONDO STATE:

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:10:21 +0100
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Obi Nwakanma:

You should drop this obfuscatory advocacy....you are safely far away in Michigan or somewhere, and yet you are advocating cultural disobedience and vigilantism.....it endangers rather than helps your people Igbo, our neighbors and co-citizens.

We are not talking about the Chairman or President of a cultural or religious association.  We are taking about territorial suzerainty.....and there can be no two suzerains within the same territory, otherwise that is a recipe for chaos.

Please revise your priors on this subject.

Bolaji Aluko

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.

Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.

Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized. There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say. 

Obi Nwakanma

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Prof Nwakanma,
Note the following facts as we continue to wringle through this maze of “Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure” saga:

1.      The Deji of Akure is an “Officially paid position” in the official Govt of Nigeria; fact!

2.      Any Nigerian citizen in Akure (including of a citizen of Igbo or Tiv ancestry) can contest for any position in the official Govt in the State, even the Local Govt Chairman in Akure. It is a constitutional right!

3.      However, not every Nigerian citizen [even he/she resides in Akure] will qualify to contest for or occupy the positions of traditional authorities in Ondo state including the Deji of Akure. FACT!

If you agree with the foregoing FACTs, we can move forward on this issue.
Take care. JUI

On Oct 16, 2015 3:53 PM, "Rex Marinus" <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

IBK, maybe I should spell it out so that you will understand it clearly: if the Igbo have been in Akure for over 100 years, they are no longer "foreigners" to Akure. They do not need to register, unless it is for the purpose of general civic registration required of them by law, specially in Akure. They could congregate, establish their homes, transact their business, acquire land, build their churches, establish their shrines, including the shrine of Amadioha, for those who still subscribe to the traditional religion, dedicate sacred groves, invite their priests, and elect from among themselves, representatives, if it serves their own interests.The constitution of Nigeria grants them all that. Deji of Akure is the symbolic head of traditional Akure society, in its most primordial state. But Akure, as a state capital is today, no longer bound strictly to Akure primordialism. It is being built as a cosmopolitan Nigerian city. Its government is not decided by the Deji, but by those who have established residency in Akure, who are the city electors, among whom are the Igbo. Nobody today can be Chairman of the Akure Local government, without appealing to Igbo voters. And if the Igbo organize themselves well enough as an electoral bloc, may even support a candidate and win elections, including as Chairmen and Councilors in Akure. Unless your head is in the sand, that is the current reality.

Even in your "limited" use of the term, a "foreigner" does not have those rights. There is Igbo culture in Akure, and it is one that has been one hundred years in the making, unless you wish to deny it. Nothing the Deji does can obscure this. Again, the word "Eze" does no necessarily mean king. True Igbo make no kings. They have no need for such backward, awkward, childish, and medieval things. The Igbo were modern long before modernity. The Igbo abandoned the crowning of kings, long, long, before the European enlightenment. After Europe emerged from the dark ages, they suddenly knew what the Igbo had known for thousands of years: "Ezebuiro." Read Voltaire. The Yoruba too will emerge from the "dark ages" of monarchism and feudalism, but it will take the likes of you, a couple more thousand years to arrive at where the Igbo arrived ages ago, on the subject of kings. So I think, "Eze Igbo" in Akure is not the kind of "Eze" you have in mind. But whatever it is, he has a right to bear his title, however foolish, and I think it is a foolish and pretentious title. On the other hand, I think that the Deji has a right to break the man's head, if he claiming to be "Eze Igbo," comes to the Deji's palace to make claims about ownership of a "throne" in Akure. I will be the first to ask him to eat shit.

Obi Nwakanma

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Obi Nwakanma,

You are the master of obfuscation.  Tell us what law governs the Eze Igbo Akure Issue?  You first ran under the banner of freedom of association and who told you anyone stopped Igbo associating in Akure?  The have been doing so for over 100 years!  You fall flat on your sorry Igbo arse on that score.

Then you came under the corporation laws, why are they not applying to the Corporate Affairs Commission for registration?

The word foreign here is used in a limited way to denote cultural practices indigenous to Akure and environs.  Can three Yoruba people go to Okija and want one of them to be the Oba Yoruba of Okija?  In matters of Eze or Igwe, the Igbo culture with their Ononwu and Indichie and the shrines and gods like Amadioha and symbols like Offor etc are foreign.  They have no place within Yoruba Akure culture.

Twist and wriggle as much as you wish.  You have picked a tall one here and your feeble teeth will break rather than chew this hard hide successfully.

Cheers.

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JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.

Obi Nwakanma

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Maazi.

Abomination is abomination no matter when it is challenged.

The creation of warrant chiefs was an abomination which even today exists in parts of Igboland. Hopefully, this will also in due time be challenged with other abominations that are now considered Igbo way of life. Who can forget when Ndi Igbo never flaunted their wealth in the faces of those whose communities made those wealth possible but used part of the wealth to help the communities. Today Ndi Igbo are being hounded in these communities because a new generation who have embraced Ojukwu's abominable ways are in place and have no respect for these communities. 

We now have governors and others who run roughshod over Ndi Igbo and do not give a hoot at the damage they have wrought. You have individuals who could use the money burning holes in their pockets to build industries, schools, roads, provide electricity, etc. in their towns or villages, governors who openly desecrate the trust  of the people by taking bribes, open drunkenness, open adultery, and expect Igbo to bow to them - that is how low Igbo has sunk.

It is time that Igbo return to its ancient way based on truth that worked for thousands of years.

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[Afis Deinde]

Chiwuikem Ihediwa is the chosen Abobaku of Oyo, when the King "waja", we will "muso! Muso! Muso!!!"

You can run but you can't hide Ihediwa.

Your ass belongs to Oyo town.

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“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Afis Deinde]

Obi Nwakanma, it is not "preaching extra-judicial killing", it is a prediction, forecast of what's gonna happen.

If the Igbos in Akure, not you loudmouths on cyber, but if the Igbos in Akure keep pushing the envelope, they will the pushed out of that town.

It is not going to be pretty! 

Afis

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On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dr. Aluko:

I think you know the ones who are preaching vigilantism. They are the ones who talk about the extra-judicial killing of the Igbo because an Igbo chose to be called "Eze Igbo" in Akure. I have neither called for the killing, nor the destruction of anybody for making those calls, and yet you accuse me of vigilantism? Incredible! I think you should look carefully in the mirror. All I have advocated is that anyone has a right to live within the civil laws of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. The Deji of Akure is no sovereign; the constitution of Nigeria is the sovereign document, and it grants all citizens, irrespective of ethnicity, religion, or social status, equality before the law. There certainly can be no two captains in a ship. The Deji cannot be a sovereign monarch under the republican constitution. It is a contradiction in terms. I think you are the one, Dr. Aluko, who is both obfuscatory, or deliberately mischievous.

Obi Nwakanma

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Obi Nwakanma:

You should drop this obfuscatory advocacy....you are safely far away in Michigan or somewhere, and yet you are advocating cultural disobedience and vigilantism.....it endangers rather than helps your people Igbo, our neighbors and co-citizens.

We are not talking about the Chairman or President of a cultural or religious association.  We are taking about territorial suzerainty.....and there can be no two suzerains within the same territory, otherwise that is a recipe for chaos.

Please revise your priors on this subject.

Bolaji Aluko

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Rex Marinus <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fact: no one is contesting Deji of Akure with Deji of Akure.

Fact: Deji of Akure is not the constitutional authority in Akure.

Fact:  Tradition in Akure is not, as all traditions tend not to be, a permanent fixture. It changes. Tradition is made by man. The title Aare Musilimi of Yoruba land, is not originally a Yoruba title. Fact.

Fact: the Nigerian constitution is the pre-eminent guide to civil life, and the basis of contemporary tradition. It supersedes any other, including any former or extant traditions. I hope you agree with me. It simply means that if the Yoruba community for instance wants to create the "Olu Yoruba" in Aba, they have the rights, for as long as they do not break the civil laws under which the city is organized. There is "Ama Hausa" in Aba, Umuahia, Owerri, Onitsha, PH, etc;  for instance, and they have the leaders of their communities, and Imams in their Mosques. The majority Igbo residents of these cities have not raised cudgels against them. They have as much rights in these places as the original claimants of these cities which have drawn people from the four corners of the earth, so to say. 

Obi Nwakanma

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:21:55 -0400

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Prof Nwakanma,
Note the following facts as we continue to wringle through this maze of “Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure” saga:

1.      The Deji of Akure is an “Officially paid position” in the official Govt of Nigeria; fact!

2.      Any Nigerian citizen in Akure (including of a citizen of Igbo or Tiv ancestry) can contest for any position in the official Govt in the State, even the Local Govt Chairman in Akure. It is a constitutional right!

3.      However, not every Nigerian citizen [even he/she resides in Akure] will qualify to contest for or occupy the positions of traditional authorities in Ondo state including the Deji of Akure. FACT!

If you agree with the foregoing FACTs, we can move forward on this issue.
Take care. JUI

On Oct 16, 2015 3:53 PM, "Rex Marinus" <rexma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

IBK, maybe I should spell it out so that you will understand it clearly: if the Igbo have been in Akure for over 100 years, they are no longer "foreigners" to Akure. They do not need to register, unless it is for the purpose of general civic registration required of them by law, specially in Akure. They could congregate, establish their homes, transact their business, acquire land, build their churches, establish their shrines, including the shrine of Amadioha, for those who still subscribe to the traditional religion, dedicate sacred groves, invite their priests, and elect from among themselves, representatives, if it serves their own interests.The constitution of Nigeria grants them all that. Deji of Akure is the symbolic head of traditional Akure society, in its most primordial state. But Akure, as a state capital is today, no longer bound strictly to Akure primordialism. It is being built as a cosmopolitan Nigerian city. Its government is not decided by the Deji, but by those who have established residency in Akure, who are the city electors, among whom are the Igbo. Nobody today can be Chairman of the Akure Local government, without appealing to Igbo voters. And if the Igbo organize themselves well enough as an electoral bloc, may even support a candidate and win elections, including as Chairmen and Councilors in Akure. Unless your head is in the sand, that is the current reality.

Even in your "limited" use of the term, a "foreigner" does not have those rights. There is Igbo culture in Akure, and it is one that has been one hundred years in the making, unless you wish to deny it. Nothing the Deji does can obscure this. Again, the word "Eze" does no necessarily mean king. True Igbo make no kings. They have no need for such backward, awkward, childish, and medieval things. The Igbo were modern long before modernity. The Igbo abandoned the crowning of kings, long, long, before the European enlightenment. After Europe emerged from the dark ages, they suddenly knew what the Igbo had known for thousands of years: "Ezebuiro." Read Voltaire. The Yoruba too will emerge from the "dark ages" of monarchism and feudalism, but it will take the likes of you, a couple more thousand years to arrive at where the Igbo arrived ages ago, on the subject of kings. So I think, "Eze Igbo" in Akure is not the kind of "Eze" you have in mind. But whatever it is, he has a right to bear his title, however foolish, and I think it is a foolish and pretentious title. On the other hand, I think that the Deji has a right to break the man's head, if he claiming to be "Eze Igbo," comes to the Deji's palace to make claims about ownership of a "throne" in Akure. I will be the first to ask him to eat shit.

Obi Nwakanma

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Obi Nwakanma,

You are the master of obfuscation.  Tell us what law governs the Eze Igbo Akure Issue?  You first ran under the banner of freedom of association and who told you anyone stopped Igbo associating in Akure?  The have been doing so for over 100 years!  You fall flat on your sorry Igbo arse on that score.

Then you came under the corporation laws, why are they not applying to the Corporate Affairs Commission for registration?

The word foreign here is used in a limited way to denote cultural practices indigenous to Akure and environs.  Can three Yoruba people go to Okija and want one of them to be the Oba Yoruba of Okija?  In matters of Eze or Igwe, the Igbo culture with their Ononwu and Indichie and the shrines and gods like Amadioha and symbols like Offor etc are foreign.  They have no place within Yoruba Akure culture.

Twist and wriggle as much as you wish.  You have picked a tall one here and your feeble teeth will break rather than chew this hard hide successfully.

Cheers.

IBK

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Subject: [Spam] RE: [Spam] [africanworldforum] Re: The Deji of Akure has the right to dethrone and abolish the "Eze Ndigbo" title in his domain.

JUI, the use of the word "foreign" in reference to a Nigerian citizen resident in any part of that country is abhorrent to me. There is no law in Nigeria equivalent to the Indian Protection Law in the United States, because unlike the USA, all parts of Nigeria were given the opportunity to opt out of the federation of Nigeria in 1957/8 at the London Constitutional Conference. All chose to be independent of Great Britain as part of a free, unified federation of Nigeria to be governed under the common law. The laws which established the federation of Nigeria does allow continuous trans-border movements until all claims to ancestral lands are erased and a full nation formed in the fullness of time. That is exactly why part of its key human rights provisions is the freedom of movement and freedom of association, and conscience. When you use the phrase "implantation of foreign traditional authority" in reference to the Igbo in Akure, you continue to propagate a xenophobic mindset that has no place in the common reality central to modern nation formation. The Igbo are not foreign to Ondo, they are citizens of Nigeria. The constitution of Nigeria does not confer any powers on the Deji of Akure. As a matter of fact, I said that the civil authority under which the Igbo in Akure are as regulated as the Deji is the authority of the local or municipal government, and it is elected. The constitution of Nigeria does not forbid the Igbo resident in Akure from contesting and winning elections in Akure. If someday an Igbo wins an election in Akure or Ondo, the Deji will have no powers to stop him, in spite of what you call "ancestral" claims. The Deji of Akure, unless he contests to be Chairman of the Akure Local Government Council, under a democratic mandate, has no real power to determine local government issues. IBK is therefore either too ignorant or too mischievous in citing what he dubiously calls the "residual list" as the basis of the Deji's authority in Akure. And I expect you, JUI, to be a little less sanguine, and a little better informed on that score.

Obi Nwakanma

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On Oct 15, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Joseph Igietseme <jigie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Prof Nwakanma,
As you and all of us would realize, this issue will be no issue if Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure did not go to the Deji of Akure to seek official traditional certification. So JUI agrees with you that “”..as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice.”” That is that! However, the issue of the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure is a traditional matter not like registering an organization or society of people from the same ethnic group and their officers in foreign countries [E.g., Edo-okpamakhin, Igbo Union, Yorubas of Atlanta, Zumunta etc]. This is why the Eze Ndi Igbo of Akure went to the Deji of Akure, not the state’s local Govt’s office!

 Now, although you took off well, you started blowing the goodwill when you began to say the following: “””The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law.”” How? First, tradition authority is ALWAYS anchored on a location or domain, although traditions can be practiced in several places. It is a FACT that there is no officially sanctioned “Eze Ndi Igbo” in Akure as a traditional authority in Yoruba-land; in fact, the Ndiigbo in Akure knows this fact and that the Official Govt is unlikely to grant any such authority and domain! If it was just simply a matter of being a Nigerian citizen who can reside anywhere in Nigeria as prescribed by the official Govt’s constitution, the Eze Ndi Igbo in Akure would have approached the office of the Commissioner for Local Govt to grant him his request; but it is more than that! Any sub-traditional authorities arising from a domain will take their cues from the existing traditional authorities!!

 Secondly, the custodian of the traditional authority in any domain in Nigeria rests with the indigenes! If immigrants could easily transplant their traditional authorities in foreign lands and obtain official legitimacy, there will be indigeneship issues; in fact, this traditional authority issue has been the major stumbling block for indigeneship in Nigeria; and as JUI advised a while ago, as long as traditional authorities remain valid in Nigeria, the acquisition of indigeneship will require the official Govt to engage and discussed with the traditional rulers/authorities on the manner of acquisition of traditional indigeneship by people who would be interested. If this is spelt out, any immigrant/foreign resident who wants traditional indigeneship of the domain he/she resides would have to undergo the additional process prescribed by the traditional authorities and be ready to comply by the traditional rules and rubrics! So let’s talk better talk on this matter! Take care. JUI
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On Oct 15, 2015 7:26 PM, "'gibsoncee' via NaijaEvent" <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Obi:

I love reading from you but this one is what an friend will call fafi. I say this with the simple authority of all the wars that have taken place and currently taking place in so many Igbo towns fighting and killing each other over autonomous communities creation and crowning of non governmental recognition. 

The so many heads of several Igbo unions of the n past co-exist ed with their host without problems.  Our Igbo towns have been mapped out by the Huasuas and Hausa enclaves created, their heads or chairmen known but none has gone to build palaces as Dankasa of Eziachi or of Nsu or Obinze. 

Finally, I ask you which court? You need to go back,  you have stayed here too long. When they finish with our man, no one will want to be Eze Igbo in Akure again. 

Did you hear about the Abubeoki of Ife again? By the way did he return after he flee. Have they buried the Ooni yet?

Have a great day. 

Gibson C Chigbu 

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JUI, for as long as we are operating under the constitution of Nigeria, which describes itself as a "FEDERAL REPUBLIC," the Deji of Akure does not have any extraordinary rights to stop anyone from being "Eze Ndi Igbo" in Akure, and proclaiming so, publicly. Under the rights of free association guaranteed by that constitution, any group of the Igbo may choose to organize, meet, and create a mutually beneficial order under any leadership of their choice. Akure is increasingly a city catering to a vast number of people other than the original Ondo. These groups have a right to their organizations. The civil law under which the Deji operates is the local government or municipal law, and the head of the Ondo local government is the duly elected chairman, under whose mayoral powers, with the acquiesence of the elected councilors, supersedes any pretentions the Deji of Akure may have with regards to power. Nigeria, as a REPUBLIC, does not operate under a monarchy. Nigerians living in Ondo, do not answer to the Deji of Akure. They answer to the Constitution of the Republic. The Deji must desist from this harassment, and should be taken to court, to effect an interlocutory injunction, against any interference in the pursuit of Igbo residents of Ondo to organize themselves by every legal means. I personally do not subscribe to the "Eze Igbo" idea, but we must also know that the word "Eze" in Igbo does not mean "King." In this case, it means "leader of the Igbo" in Akure. They have a right to organize themselves under any leadership they elect. The office of the Deji of Akure, derives its being from tradition; the office of the Eze Igbo in Akure, also derives its source in tradition. None can supersede the other in point of law. I hope the Igbo in Akure prepare for a long court battle on this issue.

Obi Nwakanma

 

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