SUNDAY MUSINGS: On this Matter of Dim Ojukwu's Many "Sons" {Re: To Ogbuonyeiro & MsJoe #4 Ojukwu's Son Is The President Of Gabon

[Mobolaji Aluko]

My People:

I have been reading these long exchanges largely between some of our Igbo compatriots as interlocutors about our common icon General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu , and they have been culturally exciting, and episodically titillating....

And usually when the voluble Nebukadineze Adiele is at his wits' end on a particular matter, he goes off on one of his long travels to erewhon....as he has just threatened to do, just like when he was taken up recently on his successful wrestling of Abiodun at Owerri, a town that I just visited last week on my investiture as a fellow of the Nigerian Society of Chemical Engineers. [http://fuotuoke.edu.ng/photo-galleries/vc-prof-mobolaji-aluko-gets-investiture-fellow-nsche  ;  I saw Abiodun there.]

Moving on...

I once watched a movie in which Robin Williams was the major actor,  legally adopted at childbirth by a Black couple.  He was not very smart, and so it was that it was not until he was about 30 years that he suspected that the Black couple was not his real biological parents!  :-)  It was the funniest part of the movie, that discovery....

Moving on....

All these "sons" claiming - or being claimed - to be Dim Ojukwu's flower sons, either because of their beards (for that even Ken Asagwara can make that claim), or their forehead (Nebukadineze Adiele can make that claim).  Mercifully Peter Opara cannot make the claim (he is too small a man, no beard and almost no forehead), and it is only when you push his buttons  that my friend of yore  Chukwuemeka "Smart" Agwunobi says that he is Bianca's Ojukwu's son - because of their joint first name and his brief toy-soldier stint at Biafra's Ugba Junction of yore.

Moving on.....

Now I ask:  has any GIRL, any FEMALE, come out yet to say that she was Ojukwu's flower child?  Mba nu!  In any case, how would she look?  Like 'em 'em 'em this handsome  Nne that I know.......I hesitate to name one of the persons around these Nets, it would be awkward....I don't want to make any one to cry.

Moving on....

One thing that I know is that Dim Ojukwu was a lady's man, hence no one REALLY knows who to believe - or rather it seems as if almost everybody is ready to believe anything about him when it comes to women affairs.  For example in 1959, Dim Ojukwu was 26 years old, and he is now supposed to have fathered a future Ali Bongo (now president of Gabon)  via a juvenile 15 year old girl in Gabon almost half his age - a Gabonese connection with the Biafra that was not established until 1966-1970 Biafra war which Ojukwu anchored as the main rebellion protagonist.  

Haba....

Not improbable, but most unlikely.......but again, Dim Ojukwu (born Saturday, November 4, 1933)  did marry Bianca Onoh (born Saturday, August 5, 1967) on Saturday November 12, 1994.  So he was then 61 years old, while she 27 years old - more than twice her age.

Moving on....and back to the main point.

On this paternity issue, my tests are simple:

   - if a man makes a claim of son-hood, and a father accepts it, whether it is biologically true or not, then let ALL discussion cease, even if the father looks like a lion and the son looks like an owl.  MKO Abiola once said that he does not know who all his children are, but unless he was totally drunk and raped, he knows the women that he slept with, so that if any one of them makes a claim within nine months of such an escapade, he had enough money overflowing from his pot to settle the claim, whether legitimate or illegitimate...that is a man for you!  Now, if the father denies paternity, move to the next question.

   - a man who makes a claim of son-hood, ask him for his birth certificate.  If he says that he has lost it, or that when he was born  such certificates were not available, we must move to the next question.  I won't take a sworn affidavit; after all Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes fame once got an affidavit that he was an Akwa Ibom Nigerian farmer!

  - ask questions of the woman who agrees that he is his mother.  Was it a long-term relationship, or or one-night stand?  If it was a long-term relationship, when and for how long, and who else saw them enter and leave rooms by themselves quite a number of times?  If it was a one-night stand, move to the next question...after asking the one question:  how many "one night stands did she have during that same "period" - both chronological and biological?"  Pun intended....if the man says that the woman/mother is dead, or if the woman is indeed dead, ask the next and most important question.

  - the last one and the most important is the DNA, which is conclusive 99.9%.  If the father will not or cannot subject himself to a DNA test, and the son will not or cannot subject to a DNA test, then let all further discussion cease.  

You cannot have a father who does not accept you;  have no affirming birth certificate;  have a dead mother; and not subject yourself to DNA, and then say that you are the son of the Pope or the Queen of England.

Mba nu!

And there you have it.   Have a Blessed Sunday.

Bolaji Aluko

Shaking his head

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 2:05 PM, 'Ezeana Igirigi Achusim' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Only God and the gods know who is who and who is by whom. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha 

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On Nov 29, 2014, at 3:15 AM, "Nebuka...@aol.com [TalkNigeria]" <TalkN...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ogbuonyeiro, nwanna:

I have just read a brilliant and persuasive piece by MsJoe on this subject matter. Although I disagree with some of her conclusions, her overall message is solid enough to infuse in one a reason to have a rethink on the Debe personality.

 

I disagree with her that Debe had the onus of proving that he is Ikemba's son (neither Igbo culture nor the law puts such burden on the child; it is always on the alleged father) but she provided a link in her piece which I followed and read eye popping expose on the man, Debe. If Debe is an impostor Ojukwu but Bianca was instrumental in Ikemba uncovering that, then she did what is expected of an ideal wife.

 

On account of MsJoe's piece and upon visiting those two links, I am suspending standing on anything I had written on this matter, especially over Debe and Bianca. If you did not see MsJoe's piece, seek it out but here is the link she provided:  http://debeojukwu.webs.com/

 

MsJoe, my dear Lady (don't worry, am not the murderous  Oscar Pistorious of South Africa who bored the world with his monotonous "my lady-ing of the judge, hehehe), if you are reading this, consider it a response to your piece. Your brilliance shone, as usual, in your persuasive piece. Some of your arguments are easily impeachable but the over all power of your entire piece makes the impeachable ones miniscule or insignificant in analytical infraction. Thanks for another excellent disquisition-like output of yours.

 

I am off again to being busy and being reasonably away from the forums, until about Christmas time.

 

Take care for now, everyone.     

Nebukadineze Adiele
Reject Religion; Revive Reasoning!

 

In a message dated 11/28/2014 8:55:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, africanw...@googlegroups.com writes:

Nebu nnaa,

We did not know Debe existed until Ikemba's passing.

Indeed at that time Debe or Sylvester got really busy going to different press houses, announcing his is the first living son of Ikemba.

The whole thing became ridiculous to some of us. I asked then, if he is the first living son of Ikemba, was there a first dead son? I mean, at a point I could not take it. I recall one Anambara chap, a friend along we all wondered who this Debe was. The guy blurted out....ma anyi amaro onye obu....but we don't know him. Which was absolutely correct. It was strange to us.

You could see the man was up to something, whatever it was. Trouble was brewing, and he was readying himself, putting himself in position to battle to win and to gain. Yes, while Debe was making rounds announcing himself, virtually from the outside, those of them in the inside, girded their loins, else this man from the outside comes and grabs everything.

Nebu, I am with you as far as owning your child whenever she/he comes in.

Folks, around NYC, I gat my eyes and ears open, but if anyone of you hear about a lady, see a lady who as much as hints her father is a Nigerian, please inquire deeper; if she was born in the early 80s, inquire deeper yet, make the announcement here of your finding. She may well be my daughter, and I want her now!So that is the way it ought to be. Take in your child, even if your wife is the devilish kind. She/he is your child, she/he comes first.

Do you know some bloody women come into a man's house and asks the man - "me and your children, who comes first?' That is the last day the bloody devil woman sees the inside of my house. Nne ya anwuo. Idiot. Imagine that. I do not know about other women, but Igbo women ask such questions of men with children that interested in them. It is crazy. Madness.

I have a cousin who impregnated her sister in-law in 1960 or thereabouts  in PH. This boy was a replica of my cousin, but the man feigned total ignorance of the boy, until just about 5 years ago. I held it against my cousin, and stated as much every opportunity I had.

I mean, this my cousin left for England leaving the boy behind through out the war, came back, married, had children with his present wife and really took his precious time to take this boy in in his 50s. Painful. Yet we were pleased somewhat that he fessed up to his responsibility, but is there making up for the boy all the years he wandered about fatherless? It is a sin to abandon a child.

But Nebu, as you insist, nothing Ikemba did alive or dead will minimize him. Ikemba was a thinking man, always. He could not have done a thing without thinking about it. Problem, is, in Anambara, property is king. Old saying which holds sway to date is....nna boy anwulugo....orapulu prot onne? It is all about property, unlike what you and I are in our part of Igbo land.

Love and lust for property equates Anambara to Yoruba. A dear friend of mine, a Lagosian, died in Lagos, traveling back and forth battling his siblings over his papa property. He had just had major heart surgery, he was not totally healed, and he took off to Nigeria to see his lawyers. Do not travel, I warned my friend. Barely days after his arrival in Nigeria, I got the news that he did not get up where he sat. He had just turned only 50.

People battle over property forgetting they may soon be gone, and property they will see no more. Ikemba is gone, the living may meelaa onwe ha....Ikemba is no more here. It is up to the living to respect themselves. Ikemba is no more with us, he left behind all dues he paid for us Igbo. That is it. Nothing minimizes the man. 

Ikemba paid all of his dues for himself and for a race. Igbo race. Nothing else matters.

Ogbuonyeiro

On Friday, November 28, 2014 6:56 AM, Nebukadineze via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Wharf,

I did not even know that you wrote the piece to which I responded -- it did neither bear the author's email address nor was signed. I take matters of this nature seriously because bringing a human being into this world and shaming the person through rejection or abandonment constitutes a violation of human right in my book. Now, be also serious as I go over some of your points.

 

• Here are the facts. Ikemba ndi Nnewi did not accept Debe as his son while he was alive. (The Snake)

 

The above is not a fact but if you insist that it is, cite me just one instance of Ikemba or Nnewi people having rejected Debe. Here is what Debe narrated and which no one has contradicted. (i) His grandmother, Ikemba's mother, gave him a piece of land in Nnewi. (ii) When Ikemba died, he, not Junior, not Bianca, or anyone else informed the people of Nnewi that his father was dead. (iii) With respect to Ikemba's death, Nnewi people dealt with him solely until Bianca and Peter Obi used the instrument of the government to remove him from all official participation in Ikemba's funeral and burial. (iv) If Igbo was still the Igbo of my grandfather's, such an abomination would never have been allowed stand.

 

The above are facts that can be googled within seconds and they contradict your claim in excerpt above.

 

• In fact you, an igbo man, should know that every community initiates children into community meetings when they come of age. In the case of Debe, the community told Ojukwu to produce Debe so he can be initiated. That request infuriated the Ikemba because he thought they overstepped their boundary because he had never told anyone that Debe was his son. (The Snake) 

 

 

Again, what you said above, if true, projects Ojukwu in bad light. A child is initiated into the village upon birth by the women of the community who sing and dance and are catered to. A male child joins all stages appropriate to his age but once an adult, he joins his age grade. But if a male child is born out of wedlock and raised outside of his father's village, what you said above applies. In that instance, the father of the child is not at liberty to react as you claimed that Ojukwu reacted. Only disreputable men deny their children.

 

Based on what is in the public domain, Ojukwu had never denied Debe until after his last marriage. Again, Debe used to visit him in Ivory Coast and Ojukwu kept tab on his progress while in exile. By Igbo culture and by decency, Ojukwu was supposed to inform his people that Debe was his son when his folks inquired, not get upset. In the Igbo of my grandfather, the people would have insisted on getting their answer or they would ostracize him. A child belongs to the village and if a male child is born out of wedlock, the father is not insulated from introducing the child to the village -- it's not a choice of his, it's a must because a child did not bring himself into this world -- unless the father is making an emphatic denial of fathering the child. Ojukwu could not suddenly make such an emphatic denial of Debe if he had been relating to him from childhood, the villagers would not accept but such denial without concrete evidence from him.

 

• When Ikemba died and Debe was making all that noise about been the first son one of the people he said supported his claim was his step-mother, Bianca. (The Snake)

 

 

I did not read Debe say that. What he said was that he and Bianca used to have a cordial relationship until not too long before Ikemba died.

 

• Yes I do know that some Igbo women can be uncharitable with step-children and other people's children, but it is of course not all Igbo women. Before we fry Bianca, we should be sure she is one of those types. (The Snake).

 

 

Now you are playing games. Nine out of ten Igbo women use all means possible to put their children ahead if their step children or other women's children. That is a peculiarity that warrants a generalization of such conduct within Igbo womanhood. I am not condemning it because nature made them that way and that must be why we, their children, are daring and proud -- our mothers having put us above all others.

 

With respect to Bianca, you are an educated man and must not feign ignorance of pointers. Debe has claimed that she came between him and his father. Junior has made a similar claim and was recently accused by Bianca of throwing her and her children out of the Ojukwu family's home in Nnewi. An Ojukwu's daughter was said to have not been on speaking terms with the Ikemba for over a decade because of Bianca. You cannot ignore all these pointers to give Bianca the clean slate you gave her without losing your credibility and intellectual seriousness.

 

• From everything I have read, Debe was hired by Ojukwu transport. He worked for the family's business which is an independent corporation and that was the entire relationship  (The Snake).  

 

 

If that was all that you read, then you did not read all that was written. He was a lawyer who was in the police (he cited one of the retired police IGs as his peer, to illustrate how far he could have gone in the police had he not left). His father, Ikemba, summoned him to take up managing some of the properties released to the family (not OTL, if am not mistaking). He made the blunder of not getting a retainer signed because it was family matter. Ikemba asked him to managed them because he is a lawyer and a family member -- there was no point hiring an outside lawyer when the family has a lawyer. You can see that you are wrong in restricting his relation to the family to property management only.

 

• You wrote that Ojukwu's children supported Debe: If they did why was Junior disputing Opara with him? Isn't Junior one of Ojukwu's children? (The Snake).  

 

I did not write something like that but if I gave you any impression that such was what I meant, let me clarify myself. I said that Debe has stated that his siblings have always recognized him as their elder brother. That does not automatically mean that they are supporting his law suit against OTL or his feud with Bianca. I am not aware that he and Junior are disputing Oparahood. Both of them agree that the Will was fraudulent but Junior, instead of being a man in fighting the Will as he publicly threatened, meekly accepted it through his acquiescence. By accepting the Will that he conceded was forged, he fraudulently usurped the Oparahood since the Will accorded him as such.

 

Based on what is available about Junior, I do no doubt that he is weak and slow, so it suits a conniving Bianca to have him as Ikemba's opara (first son). Debe is as fearless and as intellectual sharp as Ikemba and for that, he is a threat to Bianca's having her children being preeminent Ojukwu's heirs -- Junior does not pose such a threat. 

 

It was up to Ojukwu, not Debe, to demand a DNA test; Debe could not force it if Ojukwu did not want one. You write as if he showed up out of nowhere and claimed to be Ojukwu's son. His mother and Ojukwu had a sexual relationship at the time he could have been conceived. It could not be a coincident that a woman Ojukwu slept with bore a child who looks and acts like Ojukwu and whose age matches when that sexual encountered could result in a pregnancy. He had been Ojukwu's son long before Bianca knew of Ojukwu. Have you seen anyone, including Bianca, come out and contradict any of his claims, especially with respect to being Ojukwu's son? Has Ojukwu's Biafran ADC, who became one of his trusted aides after Biafra, not come out and supported Debe's claims?

 

So my dear brother, do not simplify or make light of this matter. If a young man shows up at my door and claims that his mother told him that I am his father, I will not play around it. If I slept with his mother at the time he could have been conceived, whether he looks like me or not, I am doing a DNA test. If he is my son and is older than my son to my wife, I will accord him his natural right of being my first son. That is what any decent man will do. Those of you who are projecting Ojukwu as having rejected his first son are demeaning Ojukwu without even knowing that's what you are doing. If he willfully and consciously denied his son, he ceases to be my hero. I can bet you that lots of Igbos will do similarly.

 

Take care.  

 

Nebukadineze Adiele
Reject Religion; Revive Reasoning!

 

In a message dated 11/27/2014 8:15:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, africanw...@googlegroups.com writes:

Nebu 

Facts are facts and I don't like to play around with them in serious matter. 

Here are the facts. Ikemba ndi Nnewi did not accept Debe as his son while he was alive. That is a fact. In fact you, an igbo man, should know that every community initiates children into community meetings when they come of age. In the case of Debe, the community told Ojukwu to produce Debe so he can be initiated. That request infuriated the Ikemba because he thought they overstepped their boundary because he had never told anyone that Debe was his son. 

When Ikemba died and Debe was making all that noise about been the first son one of the people he said supported his claim was his step-mother, Bianca. Yes I do know that some Igbo women can be uncharitable with step-children and other people's children, but it is of course not all Igbo women. Before we fry Bianca, we should be sure she is one of those types.

I don't see how my query diminishes the Ikemba. From everything I have read, Debe was hired by Ojukwu transport. He worked for the family's business which is an independent corporation and that was the entire relationship. 

You wrote that Ojukwu's children supported Debe: If they did why was Junior disputing Opara with him? Isn't Junior one of Ojukwu's children?

Finally if looks and intonation determines paternity the great Snake would have 200 children today out there. Do you know how many times poeple have thought I looked like someone from their past? Nebu there is science and there is a test to determine paternity. If Debe is serious he should go ahead and take that test and stop dribbling people. I am not interested in looks and manner of speaking. I am interested in science and scientific findings. 

Concluding no one can say what the Ikemba told Debe and as a mannered man, the Ikemba not wanting to bring shame to the young man might have warned him off in life only for the young to run out on his death to wax lies. Once again if Debe is Ikemba's son he can prove it without much saliva wasted by doing a DNA test. 

By the way if my paternity is in doubt I will do the DNA test too.

WS - A revered prince of Mushin.

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On Nov 27, 2014, at 3:39 AM, Nebukadineze via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Where did you get this bizarre idea that Debe being Ojukwu's son is even doubtful, not to talk of Ojukwu never having accepted him as his son? I have watched Debe speak and nobody but a different version of Odumegwu Ojukwu speaks through him. He looks like Ojukwu and those who knew of him as a child (like Gowon) have testified that he is Ojukwu's son.

 

Debe has chronicled his relationship with his father, his relationship with his grandmother (Ojukwu's mother), and his relationship with the people of Ojukwu's village in Nnewi, and how he periodically traveled to Ivory Coast to visit his father when he was in exile. Equally, he has indicated that Emeka II and his siblings accord him his position as their brother. But for the will, which Ojukwu could have framed under duress or under an infirm mind, I do not see how any sensible person can discard all these overwhelming factors to question that Debe is a son of Ojukwu's.

 

Debe has indicated that his relationship with his father began to sour after the Ikemba married Bianca. Other children of Ojukwu's have said similarly and knowing Igbo women's devious territoriality and disdain for step children, especially smart step children, no sensible person should doubt this claim. In putting her brood on the pinnacle of Ojukwu's scions, I will not doubt that Bianca caused a rift between Ojukwu and his other children, especially Debe Ojukwu who is a powerful character in contrast to the languid Junior.

 

People should be careful with their utterances. It is boorish of anyone, other than Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, to ask Debe for a DNA test. If you can ask him for a DNA test to prove that he is Ojukwu's son, then he or anyone can ask you for a DNA test to prove that you are your father's son.  

 

I have said this before and I will repeat it now. For not mentioning Debe in his will, I am giving the Ikemba the benefit of the doubt -- that the will was manipulated by Bianca. But if there is a conclusive evidence that Ojukwu willfully and in clear mind disowned his first son, he ceases to be my hero from that moment. I cannot respect any person who will do something that cruel to another human being whom he brought into this world.  

 

Before repeating this denial of Debe as Ojukwu's son, you should be cognizant of how negatively it portrays the Ikemba. If he doubted that Debe was his son, he had a whole lifetime to clarify it. Igbo culture expected that of him and if he consciously failed to live up to that expectation, one of its consequences is that he (Ojukwu) becomes diminished in Igbo land. This is what some of you, including those who allegedly altered his will, do not put into consideration before making your wild utterances. This type of statement is as demeaning of Ojukwu as the statements of those who ask Bianca for DNA test to prove that her children are Ojukwu's or ask her for evidence of marriage to Ojukwu.

 

It amazes me as to how people can wilfully choose the most negative story to propagate, even though common sense and available facts impugn such story.

 

Nebukadineze Adiele
Reject Religion; Revive Reasoning!

 

In a message dated 11/26/2014 12:49:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, africanw...@googlegroups.com writes:

Did Ojukwu ever accept Debe as his son?

If not has Debe done the DNA test as the world requested of him?

Until then let's be careful with Debe as Ikemba's son.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Rose Amadi <ramadi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Folks, this is nothing but an amalgamation of fictions and lies  to suit one's curiosity. The article fails to chronicle the birth of Ali Bongo and relate it to the presence of Ikemba in Gabon. Ojukwu fled to Ivory Coast in the early 70s and  could only have visited Gabon between 1968 through 1970. Are we insinuating that Ali Bongo must have been born and adopted during the Biafran crises? Absolutely nonsensical, and frivolously unscientific.

Resemblance does not cut it, or prove parental linkage but with DNA test only. I have met many African Americans here in US, that look like home folks in Nigeria. Debe Ojukwu has Ikemba's DNA strains, and we can match these with Ali Bango's to either verify or nullify these propositions. Amadi (USA/Aruba)

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Okwukwe Ibiam <o.i...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is no resemblance. None. Look at all Ojukwu's children, they all find a way to look like him. From Debe, ikemba Jnr. , to the Bianca kids. They all find a way to look alike.
Not so with this kid. Maybe he was an adopted Igbo secondary to the war, true. But, Ojukwu's son? Raincheck.

However, I'm intrigued by Patience Nkama. She sounds like a lady from my neck of the woods. Jookwa-o-o-o 

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Nebukadineze via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Folks,

I am a Congolese affairs' buff because of my love for their music. Once in a while, I surf through web sites that discuss matters related to Congo. A few minutes ago, I happened onto this one (see link below). On this topic, some African leaders of doubtful parentage or ethnicity were profiled and bingo, Ali Bongo was said to have been sired by the great Ikemba of Nnewi.

 

I concede that the Gabonese president is a carbon copy of Debe Ojukwu, Ikemba's first son. Read the scoop below and view the pictures -- his resemblance to Ojukwu is doubtless. In the second picture, his image is sandwiched between Ikemba and Omar Bongo. He has no resemblance to Omar Bongo but he looks exactly like Debe Ojukwu -- Ikemba's first son.

 

By the way, Gabon was one of Biafra's benefactors and thousands of Biafran children were evacuated to Gabon in order to save them (from dying) of Awo-instituted starvation of the children of Biafra. 

 

Here is the story and the links are at the bottom:

 

Gabonese believe that Ali Ben Bongo, ABO for short, is the adopted child of Omar Bongo and Josephine Nkama, who become Patience Dabany after her divorce. Officially, the former First Lady of Gabon had [gave birth to] the current president when she was only 15 years old in 1959. But according to radiotrottoir Ali Bongo [is] Ibo from a Catholic family of the former province of Nigerian Biafra. He was adopted by the Bongos at the request of Jacques Foccart and Maurice Delaunay then ambassador of France in Gabon. He would be the son of Emeka Odjukwu, the leader of Biafra who he looks like. They have the same morphology, the same nose, the same cheeks, the same build, the same type of hair and the same receding hairline.

Pierre Péan made revelations in his book "New African affairs: Lies and looting in Gabon." The French investigative journalist affirms the proven sterility Josephine Nkama, talks about fake degrees of Ali Bongo, his Biafran origins and assassinations he sponsored. For purposes of the 2009 presidential elections, Ali had brandished a birth certificate issued in Libreville by the mayor of a borough that is his uncle, while in all likelihood, he was born in Brazzaville in 1959.

The opponent Luc Bengone -Nsi had even appealed to the Constitutional courts for a ruling on the legitimacy of the nomination of Ali, whose origins are dubious. Like Joseph Kabila, Ali Bongo is regarded as an impostor by much of the population that challenges his Gabonite.

The revelations on this web site are extraordinary, the most shocking being Kamuzu Banda, the once life president of Malawi, having been an African American named Richard Armstrong who impersonated a Malawian Kamuzu Banda, a student who died in the US after a brief illness  Incredible!

These things are written in French, so open the web site with Google Chrome (browser) and use its language translation facility.   

http://ahp.li/m/2/f7967e97d6fd057f05f2.jpg

http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/93/15/04/20141120/ob_7a8a94_ali-bongo.JPG

  http://www.mbokamosika.com/2014/11/chefs-d-etat-africains-aux-origines-douteuses.html              

Nebukadineze Adiele
Reject Religion; Revive Reasoning!

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[Emenike C.]

"Now I ask:  has any GIRL, any FEMALE, come out yet to say that she was Ojukwu's flower child?  Mba nu!  In any case, how would she look?  Like 'em 'em 'em this handsome  Nne that I know.......I hesitate to name one of the persons around these Nets, it would be awkward....I don't want to make any one to cry.",- Bolaji aluko

Mr. Bolaji Aluko, 

Please tell us why you would be making a lady cry for looking like Ojukwu. Are you insinuating that Ojukwu was not a handsome man?

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[walead...@yahoo.com]

....And if Ojukwu's son now happen to be the leader of Gabon, what value can he had to the Biafra campaign? This is the veiled issue to many.

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Subject: [africanworldforum] SUNDAY MUSINGS: On this Matter of Dim Ojukwu's Many "Sons" {Re: To Ogbuonyeiro & MsJoe #4 Ojukwu's Son Is The President Of Gabon

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[Collins Ezebuihe]

Good piece, Bolaji, except for your usual assault on KC, Nebu, and Ogbuonyeiro.
 
However, look at this way and quite simply:
 
If Debe isn't Chief Emeka Ojukwu's direct offspring, why would Ojukwu turn over his business to him to manage?
Was/Is Debe the best CEO in the whole of Nigeria, and since when did it become fashionable to turn over a family business enterprise on a wholesale basis to an outsider?
 
You see, I respect late Ojukwu, but there are some things I don't like about him...and that is why he is not my main man among Igbo leaders. Azikiwe, Okpara, and Ibiam remain my main men.
 
But one question I would like to ask some of my fellow Igbos --especially Chukwuma Agwunobi and Ogbuonyeiro is this: if you are one of those ex-Biafran soldiers maimed and previously camped at Oji River area, and knowing that Ojukwu came back from exile, flying around Nigeria, married a woman less than half his age, politicking, but NEVER, EVER visited his wounded comrades, and aslo NEVER gave them honorary/honorable mention in his Will till death, would they still like Ojukwu?
 
Cheers and happy Sunday,
 
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[Chika Onyeani]

My dear Bolaji,

Which 1966-1970 Biafra war are you talking about, or you just put that in to see who would notice?

Chika Onyeani

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ogbuefi Onyeani:

The war started in 1966, but the bullets started flying in 1967.  

Case closed.

Bolaji Aluko

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[Chris Ukachukwu]

Nwanna,

Are you fair with what you imply with your question? Did you bother to check into what the man may have done (or not done) for the disabled veterans? Actually, I had been present on more than one occasion when similar questions were put to Ikemba and his answer in each case was very apt and very true. 

It is not good or helpful to just be "complaining Israelites" about everything concerning the war. We need to digest and absorb it realistically and move on. The war was unfair, harsh, traumatic but we fought a just fight and bore the pain and cost. End of story. But it made us a redeemed (and refined) people - something many will never understand.

Bottomline: Ojukwu was not the war and the war was not Ojukwu. In the words of JP Clark, we were all "The Casualties".

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We fall.

 All casualties of the war.

 Because we cannot hear each other speak.

 Because eyes have ceased the face from the crowd.

 Because whether we know or

 Do not the extent of wrongs on all sides,

 We are characters now other than before

 The war began, the stay-at-home unsettled

 

 By taxes and rumours, the looters for office

 And wares, fearful everyday the owners may return.

 We are all casualties,

 All sagging as are

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C. Ukachukwu

"Class, race, sexuality, gender and all other categories by which we categorize and dismiss each other need to be excavated from the inside."
- Dorothy Allison

"There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us.
When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

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[daniel Akusobi]

Aluko sef,
Now, let's move on, next questions please?
1) What are the chances of a one night stand resulting in the birth of a future president of a nation, say, Nigeria?

2) Is it always that two love birds would seek witnesses to affirm what we suspect they do when a door closes?
3) what matters most in a man woman relationship that is not marriage, duration or how tight or close?
Thanks for letting us know that Nebu is  beard faced , or did you say he has no forehead?
You are another fun person here.
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[Chris Ukachukwu]

Dan,

From what I hear, OBJ was the result of a one-night-stand of the mother with an Igbo man but that case begs for a DNA test. I never see any Igboman wowo reach Baba - not even ...., er, well it is Sunday, let me be charitable.

 

C. Ukachukwu

"Class, race, sexuality, gender and all other categories by which we categorize and dismiss each other need to be excavated from the inside."
- Dorothy Allison

"There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us.
When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

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[Chika Onyeani]

Bolaji,

Let's not miseducate our young people; there was no country called Biafra in 1966, rhetorically or structurally.  At least, I was still in the Nigerian Foreign Service in 1966, then based in the London office.

Chika Onyeani

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[Imperial Merchant Trust Ltd]

Prof Aluko ,

I think we are dealing with some scholars from the African Institute of Manufactured History, Nnewi, Anambra state, Nigeria. Lol. 

One of the fellows of the Institute, Orji Uzoh Kalu some years ago engineered the fabulous story that the real father of General Olusegun Aremu Obasanjo was an Igbo man and he ( Kalu ) used an invented photograph of Obasanjo look alike to convince some undiscerning minds . Kindly don't waste your time on debating fake story .

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[Wharfery Snake]

'If Debe isn't Chief Emeka Ojukwu's direct offspring, why would Ojukwu turn over his business to him to manage?

Was/Is Debe the best CEO in the whole of Nigeria, and since when did it become fashionable to turn over a family business enterprise on a wholesale basis to an outsider?' - Colly

Nnaa provide the source of the information above. 

All available information on Debe was that he applied for a job and was hired as agent for OTL properties. He was not hired by the Ikemba as OTL is a corporation with corporate offices. It is not a mom and pop operation. OTL is not owned by the Ikemba alone. Ikemba was one of the shareholders of OTL. OTL also was not managed by the Ikemba. 

WS - A revered prince of Mushin.

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[Ezeana Igirigi Achusim]

Wait a minute. So if you hire somebody to run your business it can be assumed he is your son? I did not know that. Many of us sure had white fathers we never knew about. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

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Nwa Dim Orioha 

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Ogbuonyeiro, nwanna:

Pierre Péan made revelations in his book "New African affairs: Lies and looting in Gabon." The French investigative journalist affirms the proven sterility Josephine Nkama, talks about fake degrees of Ali Bongo, his Biafran origins and assassinations he sponsored. For purposes of the 2009 presidential elections, Ali had brandished a birth certificate issued in Libreville by the mayor of a borough that is his uncle, while in all likelihood, he was born in Brazzaville in 1959.

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[peter opara]

LOL

I read this son of Mengele Ebeneza Bolaji Aluko making liberal references to me and size. LOL.

Fact is this guy has only seen me through his non-stop inquiries about me very likely through his Mgbati associates; he cannot help himself, if he could watch or observe me 24 hours non-stop, he would. It has been his dream since about ten years ago I came upon this native creature in the Internet to figure out Ogbuonyeiro.

But I am a step ahead of the slow poke as far as identity and matters about social intelligence. In that, I am strategically superior.

Whereas the bloody guy who announced to me or cautioned me hereabouts that he has my pictures cannot recognize me in person, if he goes out in his dim-witted disposition looking for a small man...LOL.... I need none to point me to him.

I would calmly saunter toward the pigeon head, standing straight and looking down at him or straight at his eye balls tell him what a jerk he is. How else to show the coward that one is not small, when one can look straight in his eyes or down at his eyes standing and in fact extending ones phalanges straights into those eyes stuck on a pigeon head with every ease at my disposal. How else to show a thoughtless man he is neither bigger not taller.

Short, pot-belly  Bolaji Aluko on size. Were the cretin any bigger than his 5' 5" frame, I bet no Nigerian would say a word to him.

Bolaji Aluko is an up close character in my imagination in the circumstances that I have always described him and made reference to him - STREET THUGGERY.

A coward, he hangs several yards away from fellow thugs he engineers, mouth off words like the tout in Ochanja Park or a Molue Conductor collecting fare, and disappears. He does this even when engineering "house to house search" - a favorite of the terrorist he is. Bolaji Aluko must been responsible for a number of unknown and unreported death of thugs like him in Nigeria and other places. The evil thing must have sent some people to early death.

Folks have  read me about this fetish, native gods and oracle spewing  and cursing professor who also moonlights as a bible quoting Christian? Tell me about a hypocrite.

Now, as Texans say someone is "all hat and no cows", Bolaji Aluko is all HEAD and nothing else.

I call him pigeon head, and he probably does not know why.

If you are at any Nigerian gathering and happen to notice a creature whose head cannot stop wobbling back and forth restlessly like a moving pigeon - that creature has to be the son of Mengele, Hobo Bolaji Aluko.

Do not take my word for it, just try it and you will see how right I am..

Ogbuonyeiro

[Collins Ezebuihe]

Was Debe not saying all along that Ojukwu was his father, even before he went in to assume control of that business --which was like a corporate entity like a "private" accounting business?
 
Was Ojukwu not giving Debe some "pocket money", or was he totally not --prior to Debe assuming control of a near rudderless business? The usual inquiry minds want to know.
 
 
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[peter opara]

Collins,

I began responding to this when suddenly the piece ran away......

Collins, do not mind Hobo Ebenezah Bolaji Aluko Mengele.....he knows those who know him and tell him what he truly is. Let him run his mouth all he wants, he gets what is coming to him whenever it is time.

Now, as to Igbo leaders of you choice, what you have to deal with is the fact all of them were under Ojukwu's leadership at the time it most mattered to Igbo, a time of life and death to Igbo, and these great Igbo sons accepted Ojukwu's leadership.

I dare say none could have held together himself and for his people at the time in question than Ojukwu. Okpara could have, but only Ojukwu could and that is for reasons I do not believe you yourself can begin to hazzard. Your great Zik where was he a bit into the war? On the other side. Our dear former governor Sir Ibiam stuck through, and so was our dear great premier - Okpara. But again where was Zik. Zik absconded when even Nigerian intelligence had it that Biafra was about to pull through. But that is another matter.

As to what Ojukwu did or did not do for war veterans especially for which you attempt to indict him, let me ask you a question. Do you know where those veterans live? Have you ever been there? You travel home sometimes, and you do have disposal monies with which you hang out in hotels as do many of you who prefer sleeping in hotels in Owerri instead of the cool thatch houses in the village. You have to tell folks what has been your contribution to these veterans. Reading you, I have to vouchsafe you were the ward of the feeding centers around your home town - that is you were pretty young during the war, slightly a bit younger than those of us who saw war.

I ask you to sit and reflect on that war, and what responsibility it was for a young man way younger than you are today, upon whose shoulder the safety and security of not only Mbaitoli Ikeduru, but the entire 15 million peoples of then eastern Nigeria rested. Tell me how easy it is for you today running your family - the children, their schooling, the bills, your wife, extended family. Do you always answer those early morning calls from Nigeria? Hahahah.

Now, the war ends, you did nothing during the war, you have done nothing for Igbo now, and there you are displeased about a man who invested his life concerned solely about you and all of yours.

You guys have start thinking.

Love him or hate him, Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu is not minimizable.

So, di ka ndi Anambala si ekwu...rapu okwu.

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[daniel Akusobi]

Mazi Okpara.
You raised a very interesting question about our Biafran Veterans.
Can you please tell us where we can find some. They deserve our hand shakes and possibly some expendable change.
Dan

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[Wilson Iguade]

"Love him or hate him, Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu is not minimizable." By Peter "Ogbuonyeiro" Opara.

Response: Very interesting! Just wondering out loud - "Love him or hate him, Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu is he maximizable."?

Enquiring minds wanna know. "I"

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[peter opara]

Brainless iguana iguade....always trying to hang his coat where he does not belong.

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[Collins Ezebuihe]

Peter Opara:
 
First of all, before Biafra, my late Dad was already harvesting plantains way before the war began in 1967, not 1966. Then during that war Biafran soldiers were feeding from the endless plantain, banana, and Casava plants my late Dad put up in my neck of the woods. Chicken was everywhere in my compound and sustained lives beyond my family. In fact, one Biafran officer, who was a regular at our compound, once remarked that if other business and community emulated my Dad, hunger would not been a problem in Biafra. Till today, those things are still there and we have plantations in and around Ohaji too. Therefore, I was fortunate to have the kind of visionary father that I had. Need I say more?
 
Anyway, most of the recognitions Biafra received during those dark days of our history also came from friends of Azikiwe --like Nyerere, Bongo, etc. They are not friends of Ojukwu, but Ojukwu was just the man on the "throne" shortly before and during that war and got credit for those recognitions. Had Azikiwe or Ibiam been on that throne, we definitely would not have fought that war; because these Igbo seasoned politicians would have found a way to convince Nd'Igbo not to fight that war, or they would have at least convinced Nd'Igbo to delay declaration of Biafra --knowing that the British were setting Nd'Igbo up, in order to have unfettered access to South-south oil. But Ojukwu was so naïve that he fail for British evil machinations. Even Sir Loius Ojukwu, Emeka Ojukwu's father warned him not to declare that session at that time, but he did not even listen to his own father. and look at the result!
 
In furtherance, the history of Nd'Igbo did not begin or end with Chief Emeka Ojukwu and the civil war: Before Col/Gen Ojukwu, there was Nnamdi Azikliwe and, after the civil war, we still had Nnamdi Azikiwe and he accomplished more for Nd'Igbo and he was not a "one-hit" artist' azikiwe kept winning political Grammies. Similarly, before Abraham Lincoln, there was George Washington. So, do I need to explain my drift to you?
 
Again, if you are among those maimed Biafran soldiers shunned by Ojukwu till he passed in 2012, what would be your opinion of Ojukwu today? Please stop being emotional and face facts, you owe Odumegwu Ojukwu absolutely nothing.
 
Chow,
 
Colly Ezebuihe. 

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"Do you know where those veterans live? Have you[Collins] ever been there? You[Collins] travel home sometimes, and you do have disposal monies with which you hang out in hotels as do many of you who prefer sleeping in hotels in Owerri instead of the cool thatch houses in the village. You have to tell folks what has been your contribution to these veterans." -Ogbuonyeiro

Ogbuonyeiro, God bless you! There are people on this board that just try their absolute best to bring out the worst in all of us.

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Nnaa Dan, you are a comic. If you are really serious you wont be asking Ogbuonyeiro. You will invest time and energy investigating and discovering all by your lonesome where they are. It is not a hidden secret location but a place that one search on google will hit you with over a few thousand hits.

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[Wharfery Snake]

Colly,

I dont get the drift of yours below. Maybe you can be a bit clearer. I don't know how Bongo became Ziks friend by the way. Can you shed some light on that? Also everything I have read did not point to Zik as the reason for the favors shown ndigbo by Nyerere and Bongo. So tell us how you got your information?

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[Collins Ezebuihe]

Wharfy<
 
The African leaders I mentioned were comrades of Zik during the colonial days when they were fighting the colonialists in a near coordinated fashion. They did not recognize Biafra because of Odumegwu Ojukwu.
 
Sure, Ojukwu has his respectable place in Igbo history, but Zik did far more for Nd'Igbo than Odumegwu ever accomplished. That is just in the same fashion that George Washington accomplished more for the US than Abe Lincoln did --though Lincoln freed the African slaves. Please accept that fact.
 
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[HC Ade]

Why pouncing on Collins for saying and asking for obvious questions? If an outsiders should make those inquiring observations, l believe you will all read tribal dimension to it but the truth still remain were the veterans well treated by Dim?

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[Wharfery Snake]

Collins Nwanna:

I am asking for the source of your information. Because the reasons Biafra was recognized by those who did are written in history books and can be easily referenced. None of them every mentioned Zik as the reason for recognizing Biafra. 

Look if yours was a guesswork, just say it. Right now you are offering it as a historical work and that is where I have a problem.

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[Wharfery Snake]

HC Ade,

How about you? What have you contributed to benefit those men? After all they are countrymen.

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[Collins Ezebuihe]

Wharfy Nwanna,
 
Why would Zik's name be mentioned, when he was not the Biafran commander? Would that have been prudent to shun Ojukwu and talk about Zik --even as Zik had one-on-one relationship with ALL of those presidents --Nwalimu, Kaunda, etc-- that recognized Biafra. Even Hausas and Yorubas know who exactly shook that Mango tree for Nd'Igbo during that civil war.
 
It was the work of Zik, Okpara, Ibiam, Mbadiwe, etc that did it...from WCC, Cariters to international politicians. That is just like someone can be elevated to a high position by a president based on recommendation from a well-respected politician. That is how these things work. 
 
When Zik, Mbadiwe, Ibiam, Okpara and co began having access to the White House and European high places, Odumegwu Ojukwu was still an infant.
 
Zik, Okpara, Ibiam, Mbadiwe, etc had worldwide acclaim and connection before that war, while no one --except the Nigerian Army-- knew then Colonel Ojukwu before he was stationed in Kaduna, from where Ironsi sent him to the East. That was how he became Biafran leader. Otherwise, he was no match to Mbadiwe and company.
 
Ndewo and see you in the evening,
 
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[DIPO ENIOLA]

Collins Ezebuihe of Owerri:

 

You are a thinking person. The sentiments you expressed below are quite prevalent among thinking members of the Igbo intelligentsia. I am embarrassed for Wharf the Snake of Orlu. He is one smart guy, but he appears insincere when he acts like Igbo irredentist.  A couple of years ago, we used to exchange private emails and instant messenger, he was good and clear-headed. But he cannot let go his predisposition to hero worshiping of Igbo personalities. My in-laws have expressed in clear terms the sentiments you have enunciated below.

Keep telling the truth. Your views of Lt. Col. Odumegwu Ojukwu are right on the mark. It is not because I once lived in Owerri, I love Owerri guys and you and my good friend Ozodiobi Osuji, are of good Owerri stalk.

 

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Bolaji Aluko aka Mr. Controversy:

 

This Otueke Varsity VC trouble komoko man yi; do you see how trouble sleep you Inyanga go de wake am. Could you not have written your whatever on my hero, late General Ojukwu without this your cockamamie silliness, “All these "sons" claiming - or being claimed - to be Dim Ojukwu's flower sons, either because of their beards (for that even Ken Asagwara can make that claim),..”

 

When did you ever read me claim as you ignorantly stated above? You yeye  efulefu man; as you regard late Awo as your hero and worship him, so do I deem late General Ojukwu my hero and revere him in life and death. To the extent that you are right about my lofty and luscious beard, I keep it in reverence to him and in memory of him, General Ojukwu. The rare breed of a man, I call him. Now, you know what part of your identity you keep in memory of your Yoruba god, late Awo. So, stop crying over mine. Do you hear?

 

Moving on...

 

Bolaji Aluko; it’s amazing what political appointment can do to tame that who once behaved like a political jungle beast. Ever since former Ekiti State Governor, Kayode Fayemi, your friend recommended you to President Jonathan for Otueke Varsity VC appointment, the internet roaring lion commentator you were on Nigeria’s politics became a lamb of sorts. No longer do we read your often controversial opinionated views on President Goodluck Jonathhan, the PDP, etc. I remember one time, nothing PDP, OBJ nor Jonathan did was good enough for Bolaji Aluko. Today, he remains caged only to pop out his opioro mango head once in a while and exhale like an iguana on Nigeria’s political issues instead of the political fire-breeding dragon of yore. Otherwise, how could Bolaji Aluko remain silent on the present political situation in his home state Ekiti which Governor Ayodele Fayose is running like his fiefdom. Were he the Bolaji Aluko of the past, he will have by now, taken up his placard and parade up and down the front entrance of the Nigerian Embassy in Washington, DC., drawing every passerby’s attention to how President Jonathan and Governor Ayodele Fayose of PDP are ruining his Ekiti State government.

 

By the way Bolaji Aluko, there was no “1966-1970 Biafra war”. Biafra War was from July 6^th, 1967 to January 11^th, 1970. What Nigeria had in 1966 was political crisis which a year and six months later led to the Declaration of Biafra and the immediate Nigeria/Biafra War. So, revise your priors.

 

Other than your silliness that I had to redirect, your take on Debe as legitimate or  not son of late General Ojukwu is not unreasonable read. Actually, MsJoe covered very well most of what I would have loved chiming in on that issue.

 

By the way Bolaji, give my regards to your Madam(s).

 

Cheers.

 

As you are wont to say, I am here having some belly laugh.

 

Mazi KC Prince Asagwara

 

 

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Pierre Péan made revelations in his book "New African affairs: Lies and looting in Gabon." The French investigative journalist affirms the proven sterility Josephine Nkama, talks about fake degrees of Ali Bongo, his Biafran origins and assassinations he sponsored. For purposes of the 2009 presidential elections, Ali had brandished a birth certificate issued in Libreville by the mayor of a borough that is his uncle, while in all likelihood, he was born in Brazzaville in 1959.

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[peter opara]

Nnaa,

Collins Ezebuihe is Joe2Times and Thomas Ozodi Osuji Combined hiding in plain site.

The man's imbecility and pretentiousness is so galling, it is ulcer inducing. Look at how dangerous he is, and we are just discovering. In fact he could hide all his life like Banjo among us, without our knowing it - and that is given the part of Igbo land he comes from. It is indeed dangerous for him to be towing the silly line he is now known to tow. But he knows how to hide, so he should keep it up.

I have had the privilege of meeting President Kenneth Kaunda several times, and one question I did not fail to ask him the very first time I met him  was - Why did you recognized Biafra? ....the old man did not miss a bit...you could see the time of his action was fresh in his mind..."freedom and security of the oppressed" the old man blurted out....

Now, Colly Ezebuihe, call home and ask you older folks who cried out to the world for Igbo more than young Ojukwu.

I sat with President Kaunda's aides, all they talked about was Emeka...they called him by his first name...and fondly..smiling all the time..Emeka.....same reason did Julius Nyere recognize Biafra...same Felix Houphoue Bogny...sam Papa Doc....same Albert Bongo...same France was pro-Biafra...same reason President Nixon and Kissinger were pro-Biafra.....and there you are knowing nothing then, and knowing way less now pitifully talking NONSENSE.

Collins, yourself, your father, your mother, all of yours owe your life and pride as Igbo folks to Ojukwu...... Let me read you dipute that..

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[peter opara]

This guy is just a dunce. He proves it each time he opens his mouth. Nnaa, quit now. You got nothing.Talking like a Middle school student or even worse.

Jesus! I knew it..

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[Wilson Iguade]

Hehehehe!

Listen to a certified dunce, Peter Opara, calling others "dunce", wow! Tori wowo! 

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[Wharfery Snake]

Collins,

Following your logic below who is shaking it now for Liberia, Sierra-Leone, Guinea in the Ebola outbreak? How about Congo in their own civil war? In fact how about Haiti after the earthquake? 

Nnaa Cariters did not come to Biafra on account of any  one individual. They came to Biafra to alleviate the suffering of people. You belittle their work with your statement. 

I will keep asking for the book - your source of information - which mentioned that Biafra was favored because of Zik, Ibiam, et al...

WS - A revered prince of Mushin.

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[Collins Ezebuihe]

Wharfy,
 
I gave you a reply yesterday, Eastern evening time, but your latest comments are based on something I wrote much earlier. Are you for real?
 
Please check your Inbox again, and see where I wrote "[AGAIN, WHARFY]". Therein lie your answers.
 
Ndewo,
 
Collins Ezebuihe
 



 

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[peter opara]

This our brother Colly Ezebuihe is disgustingly insufferable.

He likes to yak as if he knows what he is talking about, when in my class a FAT F is all he gets. Look at him. Ojukwu was in Kaduna before Ironsi sent him to the east. Oh, yea?

Mvadiwe etc were at the White House when Ojukwu was an infant. Of what import is that relative to who was who in Igbo land when it mattered, and who shouldered the most at the time? 

Ojukwu should have saved his shoulder and let Mbadiwe shelter Collins Ezebuihe and family. Zik, nko? Collins and all of his would have completed three whole years in a slave holding place in the Sahara desert before 1970, and in fact, up in the air would have been the best description of his fate if anyone as much as cared to wonder what became of them.

Now, would Collins hazard guess what role Mbadiwe played during the Igbo time of struggle to live? He should put aside his imaginary vacuous romance of Zik and rendezvous with Nyerere, Kaunda etc to gain recognition for Biafra.

Collins might as well tell us he observed it all close up and personal, and he has no reference, not indeed that he could learn from a reference for he knows too well things about which he is clueless.

Collins my friend, breeze is still blowing, and we continue to see much of your otula.....LOL.

Seen it all I say...leaves much to be desired in the department of knowledge of any history, not even Igbo history that ought to be a bragging right for you.

So what you gat, man. Nathing...just nathing.

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[Adeniran Adeboye]

Dear Chris,

Thank you for the reference to J.P. Clark's work.

Adeniran Adeboye

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On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:42 AM, 'Chris Ukachukwu' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Nwanna,

Are you fair with what you imply with your question? Did you bother to check into what the man may have done (or not done) for the disabled veterans? Actually, I had been present on more than one occasion when similar questions were put to Ikemba and his answer in each case was very apt and very true. 

It is not good or helpful to just be "complaining Israelites" about everything concerning the war. We need to digest and absorb it realistically and move on. The war was unfair, harsh, traumatic but we fought a just fight and bore the pain and cost. End of story. But it made us a redeemed (and refined) people - something many will never understand.

Bottomline: Ojukwu was not the war and the war was not Ojukwu. In the words of JP Clark, we were all "The Casualties".

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We fall.

 All casualties of the war.

 Because we cannot hear each other speak.

 Because eyes have ceased the face from the crowd.

 Because whether we know or

 Do not the extent of wrongs on all sides,

 We are characters now other than before

 The war began, the stay-at-home unsettled

 

 By taxes and rumours, the looters for office

 And wares, fearful everyday the owners may return.

 We are all casualties,

 All sagging as are

- See more at: The Casualties by John Pepper Clark

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C. Ukachukwu

"Class, race, sexuality, gender and all other categories by which we categorize and dismiss each other need to be excavated from the inside."
- Dorothy Allison

"There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us.
When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

Ogbuonyeiro, nwanna:

Pierre Péan made revelations in his book "New African affairs: Lies and looting in Gabon." The French investigative journalist affirms the proven sterility Josephine Nkama, talks about fake degrees of Ali Bongo, his Biafran origins and assassinations he sponsored. For purposes of the 2009 presidential elections, Ali had brandished a birth certificate issued in Libreville by the mayor of a borough that is his uncle, while in all likelihood, he was born in Brazzaville in 1959.

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[afis]

"But one question I would like to ask some of my fellow Igbos --especially Chukwuma Agwunobi and Ogbuonyeiro is this: if you are one of those ex-Biafran soldiers maimed and previously camped at Oji River area, and knowing that Ojukwu came back from exile, flying around Nigeria, married a woman less than half his age, politicking, but NEVER, EVER visited his wounded comrades, and aslo NEVER gave them honorary/honorable mention in his Will till death, would they still like Ojukwu?.........By Collins Ezebugije. Shikena Afis ".......in Afis nothing has changed, nothing will change until Real Change hovers on the Yoruba Horizon. Contrary to your thinking, unlike some of you guys, I do not answer to anyone but my conscience........I cannot entrust my Destiny to anyone, especially the old folks who are out of tune with reality. Therefore, I will let my humanly mistakes come from my hands and my Deeds, not from the Deeds ill-prepared for me by some so-called Elders. Mistakes should be mine to proudly make, and mine to humbly rectify.......afis, July, 2013. Sent from Yahoo Mail on my iPad

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