OBAMAM-NATION: Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns ObamaGen Williams et al:Obama is right: a nation that allows culture handed down to them from people that never saw how the future would look like is doomed to remain down. Such is the case with African countries. Culture is something one continuously assesses and re-assesses and in doing so, pick and sustain what is important for the current generation and put in museum, what is no longer needed. Africans have remained tied to the culture (most of which are wicked, sexist, degrading and dehumanizing!)With regard to fighting acculturation:It is pretty late to fight the "acculturation", wouldn't you say? Here is my point:
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama--Who determines the old traditions that we must let go?He or we Resident- Africans?Have we not acculturated enough?Are we going to be follow-follow all our lives?When do religious beliefs become subsumed under Human Rughts?There is a LIMIT.iw_________________
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Maj-Gen. (Rtd)Exec SecPANAFSTRAG08056210960website: www.panafstrag.orgOn Tuesday, July 28, 2015 11:50 AM, 'Pa Fru Ndeh' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
--Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
10:42 AM ETPresident Obama was welcomed by the African Union's chairwoman as "one of their own"
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Over the past decade it has gained strength and respect in the international arena as it wields its political and military tools to solve thorny African problems, from civil conflict to terrorism and obstacles to trade. By becoming the first U.S. leader to address the A.U., Obama ensured that his praise, his exhortations to do better and his promise of partnership reached every corner of the continent, on what is likely to be his last visit to the region as President.Welcomed by the African Union’s first chairwoman, Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, who introduced him as the President of the United States of America, the first to address the A.U., and “one of our own,” Obama took the podium to sustained applause, cheers and whistles. In a wide-ranging speech that touched on his African roots, Obama celebrated the continent’s gains, noting that Africa has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a middle class projected to grow to more than one billion consumers. “With hundreds of millions of mobile phones and surging access to the internet, Africans have the potential to leapfrog old technologies into new prosperity,” he said. But to continue on that trajectory, Obama warned, Africa “can’t let old traditions stand in the way.”He called on African governments to maintain economic gains by improving democracy, protecting human rights and ensuring freedom of the press, singling out his host, the Ethiopian government, in particular for its crackdown on journalists and opposition leaders. “Democracy is not just formal elections,” Obama said to resounding applause. “When journalists are put behind bars for doing their jobs, or activists are threatened as governments crack down on civil society, then you may have democracy in name, but not in substance.”He also encouraged African leaders to respect term limits, to act more like Nelson Mandela, who stood down after his second term as President of South Africa, and not like Burundi’s President Pierre Nkurunziza, who was just elected to a constitutionally illegal third term as President amidst widespread violence. “I have to be honest with you,” Obama said in comments that appeared to go off script. “I just don’t understand this. I actually think I am a pretty good president. I think if I ran again, I could win. But I can’t. The law is the law and no one is above it, not even presidents.” Even as representatives of the dozen African countries who have some of the longest-serving leaders in the world shifted uncomfortably in their seats, the audience erupted into the wildest cheers and loudest applause of the speech.Obama had come to Africa to meet with Kenyan and Ethiopian leaders on issues ranging from security, economic development and human rights. His speech at the A.U reflected similar themes as he attempts to cement his African legacy. He has hinted, however, that he might consider returning to Africa at the conclusion of his presidency, telling the audience, “I’m looking forward to life after being President. It means I can go take a walk, I can spend time with my family, I can find other ways to serve. I can visit Africa more often.”The biggest challenges, however, remain unresolved and out of his reach, the damper on an otherwise successful visit. Large swaths of Africa remain in turmoil, with terror groups al-Shabaab in Somalia and Boko Haram in Nigeria continuing to take lives and disrupt progress. The ongoing civil war in South Sudan, which has seen tens of thousands killed, raped or tortured and has displaced millions, defies any attempts at resolution. “In South Sudan the joy of independence has descended into the despair of violence,” Obama lamented. On Monday he met with regional leaders in an attempt to force rival South Sudanese leaders Salva Kiir and Riek Machar to accept a peace agreement. If they do not, Obama warned, “I believe the international community must raise the costs of their intransigence,” a threat that most likely means an international arms embargo and increased sanctions.Even on issues of human rights, Obama was met with some resistance from leaders in both Ethiopia and Kenya. When Obama publically called for an end to anti-gay discrimination in Kenya, President Uhuru Kenyatta noted that while the two countries share many values, gay rights were not among them. And in Ethiopia, Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn demurred on Obama’s calls for greater press freedoms by accusing journalists of acting unethically and consorting with terrorists.Critics have complained that while Obama’s visit was full of pomp and lectures, he has delivered little in the way of the expected monetary largesse. That may be the most successful part of his visit yet. “So many Africans have told me — we don’t just want aid, we want trade that fuels our progress,” he said in his speech. They say, “’We don’t want patrons, we want partners who help us build our own capacity to grow.’” Throughout the past four days, Obama has been relentless in his calls for greater democracy, accountable governance, and rule of law, the foundations of economic growth that will do far more to deliver on Africa’s promise than any amount of aid.
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Asagwara, Ken (EAL)
Bolaji Aluko, VC:
While it may be true that the four “tests” you outlined are relevant when evaluating the usefulness of any culture(s) in contemporary times, I believe among the African cultures that President Obama would want let go, for instance, is the culture of Polygamy. Polygamy as an African cultural institution served and continues to serve useful purposes from time immemorial.
In place of an African culture of Polygamy, President Obama would want Africans to accept the western world contemporary times culture of Homo Sexualism and Lesbianism which African countries and many other countries of the world consider abnormal behavior, un-natural in human societies, even in the wild kingdom. How can any reasonable person advocate that Africans abandon their old tradition of Polygamy which has never stood in the way of progress and if anything, had fostered progress in most African societies for the anathema called Homo Sexual and Lesbians, a way of life that both in the short and long run will destroy the institution of marriage and family as God/Nature created it?
I do not know, if it is obvious to you and the other readers that among the old African traditions that President Obama would want done away with is the African culture that rejects Homo-Sexualism and Lesbianism. For him, in order that it be that African countries have joined the modern and contemporary times, they should accept western world’s disgusting and abominable culture of man and man marriage and woman and woman marriage. Mbanu; that can’t be.
Cheers.
Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
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United States President Barack Obama wrapped up his four-day visit to Africa on Tuesday July 28 with a rousing address to the African Union, at its headquarters in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Calling for the empowerment of African youth and women, for an end to the “cancer of corruption” and greater economic ties between Africa and America, Obama told the 54-nation body that “It is long past time to put aside old stereotypes of an Africa forever mired in poverty and conflict.”
The African Union was established in 2001 to achieve greater unity between African countries and a better life for African people. Over the past decade it has gained strength and respect in the international arena as it wields its political and military tools to solve thorny African problems, from civil conflict to terrorism and obstacles to trade. By becoming the first U.S. leader to address the A.U., Obama ensured that his praise, his exhortations to do better and his promise of partnership reached every corner of the continent, on what is likely to be his last visit to the region as President.
Welcomed by the African Union’s first chairwoman, Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, who introduced him as the President of the United States of America, the first to address the A.U., and “one of our own,” Obama took the podium to sustained applause, cheers and whistles. In a wide-ranging speech that touched on his African roots, Obama celebrated the continent’s gains, noting that Africa has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a middle class projected to grow to more than one billion consumers. “With hundreds of millions of mobile phones and surging access to the internet, Africans have the potential to leapfrog old technologies into new prosperity,” he said. But to continue on that trajectory, Obama warned, Africa “can’t let old traditions stand in the way.”
He called on African governments to maintain economic gains by improving democracy, protecting human rights and ensuring freedom of the press, singling out his host, the Ethiopian government, in particular for its crackdown on journalists and opposition leaders. “Democracy is not just formal elections,” Obama said to resounding applause. “When journalists are put behind bars for doing their jobs, or activists are threatened as governments crack down on civil society, then you may have democracy in name, but not in substance.”
He also encouraged African leaders to respect term limits, to act more like Nelson Mandela, who stood down after his second term as President of South Africa, and not like Burundi’s President Pierre Nkurunziza, who was just elected to a constitutionally illegal third term as President amidst widespread violence. “I have to be honest with you,” Obama said in comments that appeared to go off script. “I just don’t understand this. I actually think I am a pretty good president. I think if I ran again, I could win. But I can’t. The law is the law and no one is above it, not even presidents.” Even as representatives of the dozen African countries who have some of the longest-serving leaders in the world shifted uncomfortably in their seats, the audience erupted into the wildest cheers and loudest applause of the speech.
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United States President Barack Obama wrapped up his four-day visit to Africa on Tuesday July 28 with a rousing address to the African Union, at its headquarters in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Calling for the empowerment of African youth and women, for an end to the “cancer of corruption” and greater economic ties between Africa and America, Obama told the 54-nation body that “It is long past time to put aside old stereotypes of an Africa forever mired in poverty and conflict.”
The African Union was established in 2001 to achieve greater unity between African countries and a better life for African people. Over the past decade it has gained strength and respect in the international arena as it wields its political and military tools to solve thorny African problems, from civil conflict to terrorism and obstacles to trade. By becoming the first U.S. leader to address the A.U., Obama ensured that his praise, his exhortations to do better and his promise of partnership reached every corner of the continent, on what is likely to be his last visit to the region as President.
Welcomed by the African Union’s first chairwoman, Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, who introduced him as the President of the United States of America, the first to address the A.U., and “one of our own,” Obama took the podium to sustained applause, cheers and whistles. In a wide-ranging speech that touched on his African roots, Obama celebrated the continent’s gains, noting that Africa has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a middle class projected to grow to more than one billion consumers. “With hundreds of millions of mobile phones and surging access to the internet, Africans have the potential to leapfrog old technologies into new prosperity,” he said. But to continue on that trajectory, Obama warned, Africa “can’t let old traditions stand in the way.”
He called on African governments to maintain economic gains by improving democracy, protecting human rights and ensuring freedom of the press, singling out his host, the Ethiopian government, in particular for its crackdown on journalists and opposition leaders. “Democracy is not just formal elections,” Obama said to resounding applause. “When journalists are put behind bars for doing their jobs, or activists are threatened as governments crack down on civil society, then you may have democracy in name, but not in substance.”
He also encouraged African leaders to respect term limits, to act more like Nelson Mandela, who stood down after his second term as President of South Africa, and not like Burundi’s President Pierre Nkurunziza, who was just elected to a constitutionally illegal third term as President amidst widespread violence. “I have to be honest with you,” Obama said in comments that appeared to go off script. “I just don’t understand this. I actually think I am a pretty good president. I think if I ran again, I could win. But I can’t. The law is the law and no one is above it, not even presidents.” Even as representatives of the dozen African countries who have some of the longest-serving leaders in the world shifted uncomfortably in their seats, the audience erupted into the wildest cheers and loudest applause of the speech.
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Ezeana Igirigi
How many Ekiti traditions have you campaigned against as we speak? The British still have their queen. What tradition are we talking about? Africans take only the good in other cultures and not all. Oral sex is in other cultures and not in ours. We refuse to practice or accept that so that we can become modern. Same sex marriage is not in our culture and we refuse to embrace that as a people. Politicians need votes to win elections. What they legislate is not reflective of their convictions. Remember that many Americans are opposed to abortions, oral sex and same sex marriage. Politicians cave in to significant voting blocks.
Africans assess their culture regularly and make necessary changes at their own pace. If our African politicians are not selfish, we would not be flying to Europe and America to beg and be forced to listen to lectures. Look at Cuba? Did any succeed in lecturing them on which traditions to ditch?
African culture as it is and development are not mutually exclusive. I still know my debits and credits, even though I commune with the gods as my grand folks who could neither read no write did.
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Asagwara, Ken (EAL)
General I. Williams:
I believe you and me are on the same wave length on this issue. Culture is relative; and belief systems and values that work in one society may not work or be acceptable in another. Any changes that may occur in any culture should not be imposed from outside.
Cheers.
Mazi KC Prince Asagwara
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Vin Otuonye
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There is nothing wrong in listening to those from the outside. A cultural practice that hurt an individual, no matter how lowly placed that individual is in society should be done away with.
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Mobolaji Aluko
Ken Asagwara:
Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD
Otitigbe.
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Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD
Is the culture of the Western World where chidlren are sunk in drugs the sign of progress that Obama wants for us?
Otitigbe.
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daniel Akusobi
Maazi Aluko.
You said this : " by the way, I have stayed away here from spiritual or religious matters, because any religion that makes its adherents or Community unhappy, or threatens the Environment, is not worth adhering to "
Nice take .
Now explain the degree of threat or unhappiness a people or community would feel about a religion, or the percentage of the population of such a community that must complain about the religion to qualify it for
abandonment .
Boka Haram members profess Islam , ISIS does too. There are some others in Somalia and other places causing us and their people some anxiety.
You just said their religion is not wort adhering to or are there some exceptions?
I think the idea of Christianity do make some fundamentalist Muslims and some of their communities and people
" unhappy".
Does it mean no Christianity nor Islam in such communities where each religion sees the other as a threat to their survival ?
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Asagwara, Ken (EAL)
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye:
Nwanna; please give me one or two examples of cultural practices that hurt an individual so that we can ask that it be done away with. And remember that culture/tradition is what most folks or majority in a society accept as legitimate and socially approved way of life and for peaceful co-existence. And if there is a culture/tradition which hurts one person as you said, what is wrong in that one individual or a few adjusting to fit and remain members of that society and culture?
For instance, democracy is a culture that determines how the society is governed. In it, we say, the majority rules, meaning, there are others (minority) who may feel hurt by the culture of the majority. Should the society do away with democracy as a culture because there are those its outcomes do hurt? Please educate me.
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Asagwara, Ken (EAL)
Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye:
LOL! It was as if I read your mind. I knew that is what you had in mind. Well; my brother, the Osu caste system now belongs to the Archives as far as Igbo like me are concerned. It was a tool that served some useful purposes in the times of our great ancestors. Today, more enlightened and better avenues are available for addressing those short-comings of the individuals whose actions or unwarranted behaviours necessitated its institution. Times have changed.
Anyone paying adherence to the Osu caste system today, is living in the past. And remember that in those days, not every part of Igbo land had the Osu caste system. It was prevalent in present day Imo and Anambra states. Please, let it die a natural death even if its vestiges may linger around longer than it should.
Cheers.
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You have been brainwashed by the white man. Do you really think that the women in the Western World are emotionally stable with their monogamy? You must be joking. Women in polygamy are freest to develop themselves economically and independently. See the rate of dicvorces in the Western world. Man-Woman relations in Africa is very complex, those of us moving arround with oyibo women understand the differences.
Go to visit a Psychologist in the Western World to see what monogamy has done to them.
Our family system is an Institution and completely different from the social contract called marriage in the Western world. The reason same sex marriage is gaining ground in Europe and America is becuase marriage is a social contract that when it ends, lawyers are needed to share the goods.
In the African family structure the Institution is based on powerful spiritual base that involved both families and their ancestors.
Do not write about what you do not know . It is evident that you are ignorant about the African family systema and thus view Africa from the specturm of oyibo people.
Look at the face of oyibo women, do you see happiness? Look at the face of the African woman even the poor you will see unrivaled joy and spirituality.
Stop campaigning for Hilary Clinton and her lesbian groups.
Otitigbe
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Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
10:42 AM ETPresident Obama was welcomed by the African Union's chairwoman as "one of their own"
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Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD
Joseph Onuora:
"Denying women access to Kola nut during events."
" Forcing women (and children) to remove their hairs upon the death of their husbands."
" Preventing women (wives) from cooking for their husbands while they (women) are menstruating."
On homosexuality, you must be out of your mind.
Otitigbe
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Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD
Otitigbe
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Subject: [africanworldforum] Re: OBAMAM-NATION: Africa Can’t Let Old Traditions Stand in the Way of Progress, Warns Obama
Asagwara, Ken (EAL)
Joe:
Just that you know; I am not ignoring you or your rejoinder to my comments on this issue. I have been swarmed with many to dos. I was planning to respond to your earlier piece also, addressed to me when the below came up in my inbox. I am right now pressed for time, all things considered. But I will surely respond to you in a day or two or thereafter. Just stay tuned.
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afis
Dr Asagwara with supercilious Non-question and roundabout answer, that borders on super-silliness! Please tell us ojare, how an Osu caste can change to "fit into Igbo society". Please tell us how a "leper" thrown into an Evil forest can change his misfortune, to suit his Igbo super-race demands. And while you are busy being superciliously silly, tell us how a first child-woman who is forbidden to inherit her father's home because she's female, can change to "fit your Igbo society". My good man, stop being super-silly in public. Send me all your Silliness privately, I will send you mine. Have yourself a good
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United States President Barack Obama wrapped up his four-day visit to Africa on Tuesday July 28 with a rousing address to the African Union, at its headquarters in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. Calling for the empowerment of African youth and women, for an end to the “cancer of corruption” and greater economic ties between Africa and America, Obama told the 54-nation body that “It is long past time to put aside old stereotypes of an Africa forever mired in poverty and conflict.”
The African Union was established in 2001 to achieve greater unity between African countries and a better life for African people. Over the past decade it has gained strength and respect in the international arena as it wields its political and military tools to solve thorny African problems, from civil conflict to terrorism and obstacles to trade. By becoming the first U.S. leader to address the A.U., Obama ensured that his praise, his exhortations to do better and his promise of partnership reached every corner of the continent, on what is likely to be his last visit to the region as President.
Welcomed by the African Union’s first chairwoman, Dr. Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, who introduced him as the President of the United States of America, the first to address the A.U., and “one of our own,” Obama took the podium to sustained applause, cheers and whistles. In a wide-ranging speech that touched on his African roots, Obama celebrated the continent’s gains, noting that Africa has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with a middle class projected to grow to more than one billion consumers. “With hundreds of millions of mobile phones and surging access to the internet, Africans have the potential to leapfrog old technologies into new prosperity,” he said. But to continue on that trajectory, Obama warned, Africa “can’t let old traditions stand in the way.”
He called on African governments to maintain economic gains by improving democracy, protecting human rights and ensuring freedom of the press, singling out his host, the Ethiopian government, in particular for its crackdown on journalists and opposition leaders. “Democracy is not just formal elections,” Obama said to resounding applause. “When journalists are put behind bars for doing their jobs, or activists are threatened as governments crack down on civil society, then you may have democracy in name, but not in substance.”
He also encouraged African leaders to respect term limits, to act more like Nelson Mandela, who stood down after his second term as President of South Africa, and not like Burundi’s President Pierre Nkurunziza, who was just elected to a constitutionally illegal third term as President amidst widespread violence. “I have to be honest with you,” Obama said in comments that appeared to go off script. “I just don’t understand this. I actually think I am a pretty good president. I think if I ran again, I could win. But I can’t. The law is the law and no one is above it, not even presidents.” Even as representatives of the dozen African countries who have some of the longest-serving leaders in the world shifted uncomfortably in their seats, the audience erupted into the wildest cheers and loudest applause of the speech.
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