Re: Kaduna pupils desert schools after eating free meals

[Joseph Igietseme]

The impulsiveness and cynicism in Nigerians are unbelievably unrestrained!

No sane person would consider the laudable feeding program to attract and retain pupils in Kaduna state as ill-conceived or misdirected; the program is sound, meritorious in all respects and a winner any day and any where! Even in the United States, there are feeding programs to attract elementary/secondary school students to school early and maintain their attention in classes. Go figure! And so, in Nigeria where traditional and religious practices may influence educational quests or attainments, programs such as feeding of students during school periods, provision of uniforms, books and writing materials are needed to encourage schooling at the formative stage of life.

Besides, every public program has its teething period and maturation duration when unanticipated or more problems become obvious due to field experience during implementation. Serious program Directors and managers develop new policies and strategies to revise and solve these emerging problems to strengthen the benefits and outcomes of the programs. So a SIMPLE solution to any observed misuse of this feeding program is to ensure that ONLY pupils who enrol with ID#s are fed at school; others who come will be told that they MUST enrol in school; Shikiena!

We MUST appreciate the Mallam Gov's educational promotion initiative; it's visionary and progressive! Take care. JUI

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:11 AM, C15201947 c152...@aol.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

He (Adamu) said: “The main goal of the school feeding programme is to attract out-of-school 

children to school and keep them in class for them to acquire education and better their lives. 

But read the 'Kaduna state commissioner for education, Adamu.'  The man is not qualified

to lead state education, if indeed he said the above.  Kids left after meal because they have 

no idea who was in charge and why they should be in the school.  They probably thought they

were invited for kids party.

School attendants should be state law that mandates parents to register and bring their 

children to schools.  'The main goal of the school feeding program is to help kids concentrate

and learn, and not to attract out-of-school children to school....'

The school meal program was incorrectly applied because wrong employee, Adamu, 

was hired to lead, hence the unexpected result.

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School breakfast is not a bad idea at all.  They just have to tweak it a little, since the kids are going home to nap after they have eaten.  Would have been better though, as Vin was saying, to give them seats and desks, better school environment—in short, make the schools look like schools again before the breakfast program.  Be that as it may, the breakfast program has started already, the authorities shouldn’t scrap it, but find ways to encourage the kids not to go home after eating.  The program might end up serving as incentive for kids to go and remain in school.  The breakfast doesn’t need to be an elaborate meal, a fist-full of groundnuts and 2 slices of bread, should be okay.

 

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God help us

 

On 15 March 2016 at 22:32, vincent modebelu vin_mo...@yahoo.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

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The pupils have developed the habit of leaving school immediately after the free meal under the guise of going to drink water 

 

    

El Rufai is not doing this correctly. There must be seats for the children first.

 

They should improve things and not make them worse.

 

 

These KIDS must be served inside not lined up outside like refugees

 

fellows

 

We have not heard from those boys yet.

 

There are two sides to this story.

 

I bet the story went like this..

 

ElRufai and the commissioner set up a scam food company to siphon monies.

They told the boys that there are free foods morning and afternoon.

A free uniform thrown in.

 

 

These boys dress up as if they are going to AsoRock Dinner every morning, after eating, they go home.

 

They do not have any Opon Imo with them, no books, no natin.

 

Just come and eat ..

 

What is wrong with that ?

 

Many things will have to be adjusted here to keep these kids in school for hours after eating. FREE TV

 

 

  
Kaduna pupils desert schools after eating free meals

 ON MARCH 15, 20164:58 AM

IN NEWSCOMMENTS 

Kaduna State Government, yesterday, expressed concern over the desertion of schools by primary school pupils after taking the free meal offered them. 

 

The pupils have developed the habit of leaving school immediately after the free meal under the guise of going to drink water. …file photo 

The state’s Commissioner for Education, Science and Technology, Dr. Shehu Adamu, told newsmen in Kaduna that government was disturbed by the situation. 

He appealed to parents to ensure that children remain in school after taking their free meals, so as not to jeopardise the programme. 

 

Adamu said that parents must also ensure that no child returned home until closing hours, “otherwise the aim would be defeated.” 

The commissioner stressed that the programme was introduced to encourage school enrolment, attendance and retention. 

 

He said: “The main goal of the school feeding programme is to attract out-of-school children to school and keep them in class for them to acquire education and better their lives. 

“We will not allow a situation where children will just come to school and leave the moment they finished eating their meals;

 if it is about water, we have already asked parents to provide water for their children. “Therefore, parents have a responsibility of ensuring that the children 

do not only come to school on time, but remain in school till closing hours.

 

” On the delay in paying vendors supplying food under the programme, 

he said they had been directed to open account with Heritage Bank through which they would be getting their payments. 

Adamu said the bank officials would screen and capture all the vendors in their respective local government areas. 

He reminded the food vendors not to cook on March 25 and 28, being Good Friday and Easter Monday.

 http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/03/kaduna-pupils-desert-schools-after-eating-free-meals/

vin.....///

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 Observe and see

 

 

 

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[Afis Deinde]

Osun state started feeding students on Aregbesola's first term.

This gesture increased the pop in schools.
Hiccups don't make a program bad, they just have to keep plugging it.

Afis

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

We wne to school with one kobo to buy food at school. Many of thos who did the same are highly placed in the world today. Our parents were proud to take children to school.
What kaduna needs is employments for the parents and they will send chidlren to school. School feeding is another source of corruption.
Yous aid that you are a professors, and i am sure you did not go to school to eat in your days.
here in Argentina, there is food in te school so children are attracted to go to school, thete is a sign of poverty and not progress.
El Rufai should provide integreted eccnomic condition for the people instead  of cheap politics.
Otitigbe

[Afis Deinde]

Otitigbe you are right. Employment is better than feeding students. However, where there's no stability, companies don't locate there.

Instability is killing Nigeria's economy.

The govt may try to employ, but the key Tomas's employment is private sector.

But Instability?

So what can a govt do to alleviate hunger and at the same time stimulate students and encourage education?

Most of those kids during an interview of a student in Osun, they only eat once a day!

There's no food for the student's family.

Too much poverty in that Nigeria!!

Afis

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Bro Afis,

Biko, dont even mince words in telling Brother Otitigbe the way the majority of educated Nigerians support Mallam el-Rufai's educational promotion initiatives in Kaduna state; in fact, draw Otitigbe's attention to the following beautiful rejoinder by our own Pastor Joe Attueyi, a PDP card-carry forumite, in support of the Kaduna feeding initiative:

""""The Nigerian elite is the most out of touch elites I have ever come across in the societies I have had the privilege to interact with. And the funny thing is that most of them are just one generation out of ( extreme ) poverty. And they escaped poverty through access to western style education. One would think that they would be champions of access to education. But no. Some want fertilizers so the parents can feed their children. Others want the schools buildings constructed first before taking the kids off the streets and giving these kids access to education ( no matter how deficient). 

In 1979 Jakande started an education revolution in Lagos. Prior to LKJ primary schools in Lagos were doing 2 or 3 shifts while there were few secondary schools. Between October when he was sworn in and December '79, LKJ abolished the shift system by building what the elites called 'cattle sheds'. A concrete foundation, 4 poles and a roof. All over Lagos. For both primary and secondary schools. The elites went crazy.  How can you call those schools? But the facts were that rather than split the school day into 3, primary school students began doing a full day of schooling in 'cattle sheds'. Rather go into Danfo driving , many of those students move on to secondary school under 'cattle sheds'. 

Some years ago there was a grand gathering of graduates of what used to be derisively called Jakande Schools. Many had become professionals in diverse fields of endeavour. Those 'cattle sheds' have been improved by subsequent government.  But they are still referred to as Jakande schools. ! After more than 30 years!

We need to get the kids of Kaduna out of the streets of we don't want them to be Boko Haram tomorrow. The start maybe rocky but we must never despise the days of small beginnings. 

Kudos to El Rufai and his team in Kaduna! We cannot solve our problems thinking st the same level at which we created the problems.""""......Unquote Pastor JA.

In fact, Mallam's policies will start manifesting in the next 3 to 5 years when we will be seeing massive university enrollments and qualified artisans emerging from Kaduna state. 

Unfortunately, Otitigbe wants Govt to solve all employment problems facing the parents first before focusing on promoting youth education. Can you believe that bizarre thought process?  Meanwhile, USA is developing more head-start and meals' programs to encourage school attendance! Has the US, Finland, Germany and most industrialized nations solve all the parents' economic problems before embarking on mass citizens education initiatives? The answer is: NO!

Na wa for us, sef!! Take care. JUI

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[Ezeana Igirigi Achusim]

A program that feeds children has to be applauded. Especially when that meal served them through that program is their only meal for the day possibly. 

There is a likelihood that a child will be naturally attracted to where he feeds than to where he remains hungry. While he is fed, he could be amenable to many other things beneficial to him. Christian missionaries knew that Africans were not interested in the religion they were peddling, but only interested in the education. So what did the missionaries do, so that Africans now know more Christianity than the missionaries who peddled it to them? They said to the Africans, before classes, they had to pray and read the bible. Africans said no problem. They prayed, read the bible and got the education they really wanted. Why can't the Africans do the same with our own children? If the children show up in schools to eat, they are like clay, a putty in a porters' hands. Showing up in school to eat is 90% of attention we need from the families to deliver on the education phase. 

Don't get me started. There is appetizer. There is the main course. And there is the dessert. Which children would want go home if they can get to enjoy the appetizer, the main meal and the dessert all within the school day? No. Yummy dessert will keep the kids learning until the desserts arrive in late afternoon. 

Look. At one time, I had a handful of daycare centers as clients. The children are fed breakfast, snacks, lunch and then snacks. You will be surprised how daycare providers used nourishments that the children loved to spike enrollment. I used to tease the directors that if my wife cooperated and we had more children, the children were headed to their day care centers because of the food served. 

And I am

Ezeana Igirigi Achusim

Odi-Isaa

Nwa Dim Orioha AkA Onyeukwu 

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[Joe Attueyi]

our own Pastor Joe Attueyi, a PDP card-carry forumite, in support of the Kaduna feeding initiative:

Dr JUI

For record purposes I have NEVER joined any party in Nigeria---talk less of being a PDP card-carry forumite

When I am ready to contest elections, which maybe 2019, I'll join the appropriate party then--all things considered. 

Joe

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[John Ebohon]

My brother JUI,

 

We know how much you love El-Rufai, the two views expressed that you have responded to are not criticisms of the policy but their views on how the underlying problem that necessitated the free school meal can be best approach. Otitigbe is saying that employment for parents will afford them the capacity to provide for their children. This is in line with the Chinese proverb that someone is better served being taught how to fish than being offered fish every day on charitable basis.

 

Similarly, Otitigbe may have also sensed the danger of parents abandoning their responsibilities to the State, in which case, they expect the state to assume their roles as parents. These are valid points that should not be dismissed, all you have to do is provide a counter argument to win Otitigbe over, which I will do in a moment, but suffice to analyse the other person you also came heavily on about the issue. This other person did not also dismiss the efforts of El-Rufai, he was rather looking at how it could be more effective by suggesting legal enforcements whereby parents are required by law to send their children to school at a given age cut-off point.

 

If I was responding to Otitigbe to try and persuade him to see the merits of the policy, I will first appreciate his points but ask that he relooks the underlying assumption to his employment suggestion. The assumptions are the belief that if parents are in employment, such employment will pay enough for the children to be adequately fed. Following from this, there is also the assumption that children will necessarily be given priority by parents; evidence abounds that this may not necessarily be the case. These are the reasons why school meals are given to children whose parents have been mean tested in developed countries. If children could choose their parents, many choose wisely, and that a caring government can do is step in to offer assistance. However, it is not something that the government can take on alone, it is an expensive business, voluntary and religious organisations can step in to assist because what should not happen is for the project to suddenly collapse.

 

The response to the brother who advocated legal instrument could be persuaded by pointing to the need for varying the instruments used in this instance. Persuasion can be more productive at times, and that the transaction costs of policing legislation both in money and kind can huge for all involved. What stops parents relocating away from Kaduna to other States who may subscribe to the philosophy of boko haram on western education. In this scenario who will be the looser – is not the children? In most advanced countries, both incentive (carrot) and legal (stick) measures are used to encourage child education, what El-Rufai is doing is not new, even in the Nigerian context, Awolowo and Alli of blessed memories did just as much. Personally, I rather see the money spent rather than disappearing in someone’s pocket and ending up buttressing economies the likes of Switzerland.

OJ      

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Thank you OJ.
You have just thaught some a lesson on how to debate. Some will just insult. And in the spirit of debate, I understand what you wrote and your support for El Rufai.
I believe in development and integrity. The evidence in South America shows that feeding children in schools is no solution, even in Argentina all primary and secondary school kids and even kindergattern are given notebooks. Instead of studying with it, they play videogames.
Before I explain my point, some spoke of Candinavian countries , I disagree with that example, take Sweeden for example, Sweeden has a population of nine millions, it is a country that give Peace Prize but country number 12 in weapons export, what an irony. They sell 20 thousand missiles and there is money to feed the people. That is no example.
We are a people that all have roots and lands in some village, there was no hunger in Africa until civil wars were introduced, when Europeans were still suffering from the effects of the Wrold Wars, Afrircans were feeding well and sending children to top Universities in the world. How did Africans do it? A family harvest cocoa in a Year and send children to Havard and MIT. Tombo tappers in Sapele sent children abroad for education.
Something went wrong, and that is what we must fix. Employment does not need to be made by government but rather we need an economic policy that will strenghten the people in their various economic activities. This happened under Okotie Eboh, this happened under Adebayo Adedeji, our farmers's products were important, were were exporting, rubber factories lit up Sapele until the useless civil war derailed Nigeria.
El Rufai should abolish the Talakawa policy, and go African by improving on agriculture. Simple machines set up in villages to process productions will drive the economy. Instead of building mighty Mansions , those funds should be used to drive the economy of the market woman. I wrote yesterday that I rejected an offer to head a University (which the idiot Igiestsme insulted me about instead of debating issues like you did), I instead propposed that instead of a VC with SSS cleaning shoes, let us go down to the grassroots with education. I suggested a set of secondary school creating classrooms for higher education , with  a set of computers and let exprienced profesionals in diaspora port in knowledge , this will prevent family being torn apart.
So if we fund micro-industries into the villages, and reuse the secondary school facilites as higher Institutions in the evening which is very possible with technology on hand. Development will come. The world powers are building satelites that will provide internet services through wireless technology in few years time, we just execute plans now to be able to tap from it.
Free education is very good becuase I believe education for all is important , in fact I am offering one to Urhobo Youths now, but the best meal for a child is the food prepared by the mother.
El Rufai should put in place freedom of worship, freedom to do busines, secularity, ban religious extremism and he will see how Nigerians emigrate within the nation to drive the economy.
If this feeding is just for a year while economic reforms are done, then I agree but not permanent.
In Argentina , populism of Peron threw down Argentine. in 1902, Argentina was number two in economic power in the world becuase of export of food to feed Europe that was always in war.
Peron brought in populism and many have abused of the populism to create poverty, masses depending on the State, what we now have are children who go to school to eat. There is a school named after Nigeria in the suburbs of Buenos Aires, I led a few Nigerians to celebrate 50th aniversary in 2010, the headmistress told us that the children over-eat on Fridays becuase throughout the weekend, they have no food to eat at home. I do not want to encourage that in Africa. When I went home in 2000, I went to a church in a village called Mosoga, the villagers danced well because in their backyard, there were cassava plants, they just need to uproot one and there is food for the family. What is needed is a government that will improve on that. We do not need to copy copy. We have all it takes to be a great nation, let us look inwards and pump money to drive the economy of the grassroots. Te end remember that I suggested that the hidro-electrity in Sokot State be used to drive the economy of the villages arround it instead of burning energy on cables to feed Sokoto. That is how to develop a nation.
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[Joseph Igietseme]

My Brother OJ,

There comes a time in a man's life when he resolves to dish the real pills to inanities spewed by people like Bro Otitigbe in the community.

Here is a Guy [Otitigbe] who resides in Argentina, working as an Engineer [he claims], a discipline that's based on solid scientific mathematics and physics, but he's advocating the study and use of IFA protocols to solve Nigeria's problems, locate missing Malaysian aircrafts and to advance Africa. Note that Argentina and Otitigbe dont use IFA protocols for their living!

Here's a man, Bro Otitigbe, whose children benefit from Argentina Govt's feeding and head-start programs to encourage a sound early education despite the fact that Argentina is more industrialized than Nigeria. Meanwhile, Otitigbe is expressing cynicisms and condemning the youth education promotion programs in Kaduna state that is aimed at achieving the same goal in Nigeria.

As you may be aware, education of children is a constitutional right in Nigeria, just like most industrialized countries. However, the educational success in most of the industrialized nations tells us that additional policies and programs, such as provision of meals, books, computers, uniforms, transportation etc are required to achieved the goal of mass literacy, an educated populace, and accelerated national development especially advances in science and technology. Most states in the US have these programs. JUI children were regularly picked up to school when they were in Elementary/High School from the front of my house around Atlanta to their schools and brought back; all part of Govt's education promoting programs; why would JUI not believe that Nigeria could have done better than the trekking we did to school in our days? Imagine how many more people could have gone to school at Agenebode or Lokoja if we had free meals, transportation, books/pens/pencils and uniforms. We were even punished for not wearing the proper uniforms that some parents couldnt afford! 

So what is Otitigbe's point; eh? Man, some mindless people can sometimes tick-off somebody with their irrationalities. We should NEVER mince words in telling them the truth about their inanities! Take care. JUI

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Folks,

Otitigbe is pissing JUI off with his continuing rambling and irrationality on this issue. The salient point is: If feeding programs are being operated in Argentina where Otitigbe lives; in USA, Canada, Japan, Finland, etc where we have the BEST education in the world, what global best practice is Otitigbe advocating? 

Na wa o.....! And this Guy wants to go head a kindergarten in Delta State; in Nigeria? Tufi-akwa again! Hahaha...! JUI

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Ooooops! 

JUI craves your indulgence, Pastor Joe...........hahaha! Actually, the domain of card-carrying membership may be limited to the forum...........hahaha! JUI docking!!

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[Wilson Iguade]

Not sure exactly why JUI is pissing himself off and pooping on himself at the same time, hehehe! 

I read Brothers Otitigbe and OJ responses or takes and found their respective positions to be SOUND inputs to this thread. 

JUI is known to kiss asses and El Rufai is the lastest ass the dude loves to suck on. Tufiakwa!

Folks, El Rufai in my book has not done shit significant enough to warrant all the accolade buttlickers like JUI and Joe Attueyi accord to EL Rufai. El Rufai has created how many jobs? Please, do not listen or read from those who know nothing about business principles telling you govt does not CREATE jobs. If so, that is, govt does not create jobs, well, Nigeria will have the most job creations in the WORLD! Right? Because, govt in Nigeria is definitely NOT doing shit. Therefore, under business principles, of govt does not create jobs - there will be jobs, jobs, and more fucking jobs yafu yafu jobs everywhere in Nigeria, because govt does not create jobs, right? 

My point, govt CREATES jobs, period. And, please do not argue with me that govt just creates the environment for job creations, because that is not all the tori, yes govt creates the environment for job creations and also CREATES jobs. Let me be abundantly clear - GOVERNMENT creates fucking jobs including the office of presidency. 

So now, back to my question: How many jobs have El Rufai created since assuming office? JUI and his fellow El Rufai buttlickers, please answer this damn question - since El Rufai assumed office how many jobs has he created for all those damn beggars he swept with APC broom off the street? 

What was the employment rate when El Rufai took office and what is the employment rate today, right now? For crying out loud, how many fucking jobs has El Rufai fucking created? Huh! 

Stay tuned! Iguade

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[Wilson Iguade]

JUI, please grow up! 

Otitigbe point is exactly what the subject matter indicated, please read and think before showing your personal dislike towards Otitigbe. 

Read the subject matter: "Kaduna pupils desert schools after eating free meals".

JUI, the subject says "Kaduna pupils desert schools after eating free meals". What exactly do you not understand with this subject matter?

Brother Otitigbe said as much that such policy of El Rufai will not, repeat WILL not grow the economy or build community when all the kids are doing is - "... desert schools after eating free meals". 

Dude! Get real and leave IFA out of this. Focus on defending your ole friend that calls himself a governor of a state and he has not created one damn job. I wonder how many locations are citizens of his state pooping over in public view due to lack of sanitation facilities in his state, just like Lagos state where pooping in public space is a badge of honor and to be photographed and posted on the internet. Tufiakwa! Stupid people that called themselves, governors

Stay tuned for more dumb and dumber comments from those with THIRD WORLD Education. 

Iguade

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[Afis Deinde]

JUI, if you actually engage Otitigbe in debating an issue, you may decide to walk over waters, climb all mountains between North and South America just to reach Argentine's address where Otitigbe resides.......all in the hope of just holding him on his brotherly broad shoulders and shake some sense into him.

Believe it or not, when reading thru Otitigbe's posts, it is possible one thinks of a small mind complimented by a small body frame, however from the video he posted, Otitigbe's posts does him great injustice. 

What I observed in that video was a taller man with bushy Afro like that of WS, jovial and seems intelligent enough to captivate his audience who seem to be eating out of a "guru's" palm.

His demeanor seems completely different, like Jekyll and Hyde, completely unrecognizable to his posts on the forums.   

Just my humble dissection with my scalpel of the man in that video named Otitigbe.

Afis

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

JUI.
What is the solution you offered. It is not enough to criticize me. You ignorace of Ifa is just too stupendous. I am sorry for you. Just as you wrote my understading of applied mathematics made  me marvel at the secret codes in Ifa, you see? I laugh at you.
Two of you in this forum hate me for my upholding our heritage in Ifa, you and Emeka Okala. But I do not care. You act on ignorance.
I have on hand the research of a white man where he made a mathematical analysis of Ifa which I am still trying to decode.This is what you should be researching on as a biotehcnologist, to go deeper into methaphysics as I am now trying to do, I am slowly now researching in Electronics en Methaphics to understand the feelings of the unseen and yet exists.
In the study of Ifa poems, I found out that there are two separate systems (worlds) separated by two walls (Odi Meji) and Ifa helps our world to obtain information from the other world where we can obtain guide as to how to solve our worldly problem.  This give understanding of where Biblical Prophets (Awo) got understanding to leade the people. Do you have brain to understand that?  My drawing of how the two walls (Odi meji) are is a mathematical understanding on the matter. Now that I have been able to graphically represent it, it is time for others to take it and go deeper. My knowledge in Yoruba language is limited after reading Ojulowo Oriki Ifa, so a Natural born Yoruba with scientific education could take off from where a have been limited to becuase of the language barrier and build on it.
You run away from knowledge and remian only where the white man put you.
In the Paradigm of Programming Languages which is one of the subjects I lecture in the University,  Semanthics and Synthax were topics raised in evaluating a Programing languages, believe it or not, I found it very present in the poems narated in Ojulowo Oriki Ifa. That is why we have fake Babalawo, becuase you need high level training and understanding of Yoruba language to be a reliable Babalawo. Read the exmple below:

Òkó se-rìbìtí-sorí-sonso

A diá fún Oba Ajàláyé ;

Òkó se-rìbìtí-sorí-sonso

A diá fún Oba Ajàlórun

Awon méjeji njija agbaa rele Olodumare.
......

You can see the power of a language. Not even Shakespeare could equal the collection of words and the power of language contained in those poems. I read the complete works of shakespeare when I was young in Africa. Those few lines contain Semanthics, they contain Sythax.
See another example:
 Otototo
Orororo
Ototo l,a a jepa

These are example of powerful languages by our ancestors that could lead us as to how they survived storms and lived with nature from time immemorial.
I sorry for you. It is a watse of time to debate someone deep in ignorance.
Otitigbe

El 17/03/2016 a las 10:59, Joseph Igietseme escribió:

My Brother OJ

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Do you have brain at all?
I said ti is counterproductive, and I offered an alternative idea.
How can this guy be a Professor? He has no capacity to process infromation.
Otitigbe.

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[Joseph Igietseme]

Otitigbe,

Tell us anywhere in the civilized world that your so-called “productive alternative” is practiced and useful; it is not in the US or Canada, not in Argentina you reside, not in EU where most of the early education is free; and definitely not Hades! So what are you advocating; for whom and where? Are you out of your mind or y’re just yanking your mouth to be heard or hear yourself?

> Bro Otitigbe, it’s possible you think y’re talking to and dribbling children here; it’s just like somebody would want JUI to buy the senseless story that a US-based Attorney went to Nigeria and deliberately opted to wrestle and pound one Madman Abiodun, regardless of all the safety, hazards, law and decency issues involved. Some of us are just so little- minded for these schemes.
Biko Bro Otitigbe, Me-chi onu, ja-re! JUI [cracking in the lunchroom!]
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[FREDRICK ONWUMBIKO]

Folks,

 

The phenomenon of incentivizing the northern youths to embrace education to no avail has been going on as long as one can remember. The sordid stories in this regard are abounding and they are so unbelievable until you witness it firsthand. A friend was posted to a teacher training school in Kano in the late 70s. One of their duties was to drive forty, eighty miles with five to six all wheel vehicles to remote villages to round up youths of certain age and height to be trained as teachers. We are talking about stack illiterates from the villages, these youths are bathed and issued uniforms, clothes and stipends. In the meantime most of them do escape and return back to their villages. What is mind blowing was that those youths who came in as illiterates, if they manage to stay for the nine months training, are certified as teachers whether they passed the exams or not and after graduation they were automatically issued a new Honda civic or Hyundai with salaries way above the youth corpers and posted to different schools as well trained teachers. People, it takes nine years to produce a teacher starting from secondary school but the north accomplishes that feat in nine months with stack illiterates. Bravo!

 

Believable, of course not but that is the reality that exists in the north. This story is the tip of the iceberg, if people knew one tenth of what goes on in the north the country will go aglow. Think about it, majority of the leaders today come from those school systems and in the case of these kids currently avoiding the school system, in the near future they will filter into the leadership of the country and we will continue to wonder what is wrong with Nigeria.

 

There is more to the problem of education facing the north than feeding the kids. The rest of the south does not need feeding to stay in school, so the problem is not in the stomach, it is in the head! head! and head. What is needed is massive reorienting of the psychology of the north and their perception of life and when necessary use feeding as icing. Only if people knew billions that have been spent in the north on all sorts of programs to retain the northern youths in school that came to naught, they will shake their heads in amazement.

This feeding program is a gambit and has no bearing to the problem militating against the north educationally. The problem is deep seated, psychic wise, cultural, faith, belief and value system. Folks should get off the skirmish as to which feeding program works best, the northern educational problem is unique in its own way. My greatest problem is that it looks like the whole nation is being asked to wait for the north to wake up before the country can move forward. What an unfortunate contemplation.

 

This is Nigerian reality and some!

 

Good luck folks,

 

Fredrick.

[afis 'Deinde]

I see Fred Onwumbiko is a listener to Hillary Clinton speeches

Good work, you used "incentivize" appropriately.

Hehehehehehehehe!

Shikena 

Afis

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[FREDRICK ONWUMBIKO]

Afis,

 

The functional illiterate, as important as this topic is, this is the best you can contribute with all this excitement. You with your two liners, well, the world is still waiting for you to surpass your two liners one day before you kick the bucket. Keep it up, you have not disappointed yourself yet.

 

Good luck folks,

 

Fredrick.

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Thank you brother . Tell them. WE do not need copying school feeding, we shoudl copy education.
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[afis 'Deinde]

Fred Onwumbiko I am proud of you.

You crossed the bridge.

Great achiever.

"Incentivize".

You copied it from Clinton!
I dey laff oooo!

Shikena 

Afis

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[Wilson Iguade]

Fredrick says "My greatest problem is that it looks like the whole nation is being asked to wait for the north to wake up before the country can move forward. What an unfortunate contemplation."

Response: Huh! I know what you mean! Lord have mercy! Iguade

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[Thomas]

desertion implies they went to school! northerners are interested in power, not school! when you go to restaurant, eat and return home, could that be considered desertion?

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[Zubbie Ekwueme]

 

There is more to the problem of education facing the north than feeding the kids. The rest of the south does not need feeding to stay in school, so the problem is not in the stomach, it is in the head! head! and head. What is needed is massive reorienting of the psychology of the north and their perception of life and when necessary use feeding as icing. Only if people knew billions that have been spent in the north on all sorts of programs to retain the northern youths in school that came to naught, they will shake their heads in amazement - Fredrick ONWUMBIKO

Fred Onwumbiko:

Thank  you sir, but the answer lies in non-violent separation of the SESS from Muslim Nigeria. All over the world, and all over the internet, the Muslim world in constant state of chaos. Why are our politicians keeping quiet foolishly? Do they have the death wish?

The students would eat and quickly escape before they are they are caught by the murderous Boko Haram, who does not want northern Muslims to go to school in the western mode. I don't blame the kids. Eat and run away.

 

SESS people will blame themselves and their children will blame them too, if the continue to stay in infested, dangerous Muslim Nigeria.      

 

ON EVERY 25TH DECEMBER MORNING

REMEMBER ALWAYS, THE VICTIMS OF 

MADALLA, MUBI, GOMBE & JOS

AND ONE MILLION BIAFRAN/BEROM CHILDREN MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD

 

On Friday, March 18, 2016 7:29 AM, Ikenna Okonkwo <bioko...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is more to the problem of education facing the north than feeding the kids. The rest of the south does not need feeding to stay in school, so the problem is not in the stomach, it is in the head! head! and head. What is needed is massive reorienting of the psychology of the north and their perception of life and when necessary use feeding as icing. Only if people knew billions that have been spent in the north on all sorts of programs to retain the northern youths in school that came to naught, they will shake their heads in amazement - Fredrick ONWUMBIKO

My greatest problem is that it looks like the whole nation is being asked to wait for the north to wake up before the country can move forward. What an unfortunate contemplation - Frederick ONWUMBIKO

CHIEF FREDERICK,

YOUR ANALYSIS ABOVE IS VERY PHENOMENAL and inspiring. I WHOLLY ENDORSE YOUR SUBMISSION. You APTLY put it very RIGHT. I kept laughing and laughing and laughing till I read through the end.

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Very fortunate indeed.
Wilson.
Dr. Tonye David West ( a very sound Political Scientist) wrote some years ago that the highest Human Development Integrity (HID) meassured by the United Nations in Nigeria was found in what is today Edo and Delta State amd the lowest was in Zamfara State. He later wrote that if by that time Edo and Delta State had formed a nation of their own, they could be country number 70 in the world while Zamfara State could be coutnry number 172 in the world. But becuase of Zamfara measurement, Nigeria that time was rated country number 172.
That is an indication of where we are.
Otitigbe.

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