Fw: Democracy??

[GyanKusum Mehta]

Sending current debate started by AFMCUK Alumni.

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From: harbans bhogal <drbh...@gmail.com>

To: anil behl <anil...@yahoo.com>

Cc: AFMCUK ALUMNI <afm...@googlegroups.com>; Vivek Chhabra <drvivek...@yahoo.co.uk>

Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2023, 12:12:13 GMT

Subject: Re: Democracy??

A discussion and comments made without judging the contributor are a gold mine for an inquisitive mind and taking in the 'world' view. Actions taken by individuals or countries provoking derogatory comments on the belittle a forum of discussion. Your view, their view and my view should be aired and respected without sentence to the gallows. God bless you all. 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 at 12:00, 'anil behl' via AFMCUK ALUMNI <afm...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear Jag Aulakh Sir

(I believe you are G batch, I am J)

I have been in India all the while - except a one year hand surgery training in UK & a 2 year Craniofacial training in USA . Served in the Armed forces for 38 years & now in Corporate hospital

You - have been in UK for over 40 years except for short trips to India (5 star hotel stays in Metros I presume)

India is not the same as you left it after college.        The BBC is.

India is becoming more assertive, that does not go well with these "goras".

These documentaries are their methods to implant sub liminal content in our brain.

My issue is that they are selective (read manipulative), if only they were FAIR in criticizing where criticism is due

All I can say is :     They Gotcha, Jag Aulakh,Sir. They Gotcha.

This documentary is based on the content provided by a functionary of the High commission in India who was specifically tasked by Jack Straw the then British foreign secretary + interviews were only with India baiters like Arundhati Roy.

High Commission was subsequently pulled up by the then Foreign secretary of India, Kanwal Sibal, and they apologized.

20 years later the divide and rule is activated again.

Please see the content provided by Kanwal Sibal, and the remarks of British prime minister in UK parliament

Coming out with this 20 years later, claiming  Only BBC knows best 😂

This case has been thoroughly investigated with a fine tooth comb - remember, The Manmohan govt went thru it with all the resources over 10 full years of their rule, Did not get any proof

Finally, the Supreme court also dismissed the case - 

BBC believes they are superior to our Supreme court too - would you call it a Colonial Hangover

I am not going to do "Whataboutism" - two wrongs do not make a right

You have an opinion - I am attaching the opinion Mr Tariq Mansoor, Vice Chancellor of Aligarh Muslim University (the pinnacle of Muslim studies in India)  published in the Indian Express today.

You may like to read it

An intelligent, suave well educated person like you, knows that the world is full of mis information, disinformation, slanted information and manipulation. 

You mention about Press info index and India's ranking there. Let me quote to you a few similar "surveys" done 'scientifically' by the "intellectuals" of International Agencies 

Pakistan & Sri lanka have no food; BUT, they rank better than India in "Hunger Index"...

UAE has no Private Media; BUT, they rank better than India in "Press Freedom"...

Afghanistan does not allow girls to study; BUT, rank better than India in "Academic & women's Freedom"...

Iraq & Syria have no peace only war but they rank better than India in "Happiness Index"!

I would like to know 

1. Who asked these agencies to do the surveys, 

2. what is their methodology, 

3. What is the interest of these groups, 

4. Who funds these and why - after all it will cost money, right

5. Even when they are patently wrong, nothing ever happens to these agencies

India needs its diaspora to stand up for it, some of them act as if they are ashamed of their country of birth.  They feel, superior to their own countrymen, and when they see their countrymen doing well, the crab mentality comes in

Please do introspect - are you being manipulated 

You mentioned - the British politics is crap - that which affects you on a daily basis, Do something about it  - 

If you have to ask 

1. The British, when are they going to apologize for the Jallianwala bagh murders - your PM (David Cameron) came to Amritsar (possibly for votes) and specifically stated that they are not going to do a formal apology.

2. The BBC should make FAIR documentaries without intent to manipulate thought 

3. many many other skeletons in their cupboards - Are you aware the Pope had called Benito Mussolini "a man from God" during his hey days

Already too long, but if I have your attention read on

Best comparison of death of PM Modi’s mother and British monarch, by Pakistani born British Khalid Umar;-

*Funeral of a Goddess*

by Khalid Umar

Today died a Goddess who gave birth in India to a child who was destined to be the greatest son of the soil to lead India in its 75 years of history. That man who is the Prime minister of the largest democracy of the world, did not let his “personal loss” to be an official mourning. It was the last rites of a common Indian; A Son giving shoulder to the 'Arthi' of his mother. By the time, the sun rose in the West, a son had placed a century of life in service before Bhagwan’s feet had gone back to work. Funeral was as swift as is giving birth to a child. That is the stuff greatness is made of. That is the ethos of Dharma. 

Although it is no comparison, but it reminds me that on 08 September 2022, a geriatric women aged 95 died in one of the oldest ‘parliamentary democracy’, due to ‘old age’. Her funeral took place after 11 days on 19 September. The state funeral cost the national economy over £2.6Billion. The televised funeral was watched by over 4.1 Billion people. That’s how the 70 years reign of the longest serving monarch ended. The country was at standstill for good 2 weeks. That was England and the woman who died herself chose each and every act of this this pomp and show celebrations in the country where 14.5 million people are living in poverty in the UK. That's more than one in every five people. Of these, 8.1 million are working-age adults, 4.3 million are children and 2.1 million are pensioners. What else will be criminal indifference?

These are people who have the audacity of giving ‘bhashan’ to India on democratic values!

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Khalid Umar is a Pakistan born, London based Barrister & Writer.

Yeh mera India
Our PM, has been in power as a CM or PM for the last 20 years. Yes 20 years. His mother continued to live in a small 2 room flat all thru.

see this attached video about

Indian finance minister meeting her father in his house. Look at the house condition. She came to her father's town for an official work, On the way, she visited her father at the home, she is introducing her team members to him and her father also introducing his son, daughter in law & grand sons to them . See the Simplicity 🪴

Continuing .....

please google Jal Jiwan Mission. till 2019 only 16% of our households had running water in their house. Yes sir - only 1 out of 6. In the last 3 1/2 years this no. has tripled. But BBC will only show "What about the others"

I may have lost your attention by now, so I will stop

Next visit, please visit Bharat (not the 5 star hotel in a Metro) and see your country of birth

Air Marshal Anil Behl Retd

On Wednesday, 25 January, 2023 at 03:53:26 am IST, 'Vivek Chhabra' via AFMCUK ALUMNI <afm...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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Warm wishes,

Vivek 

On 23 Jan 2023, at 23:41, 'Jag Aulakh' via AFMCUK ALUMNI <afm...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



Vivek et al

I have never suggested that the UK is a paragon of virtue. Politics here is crap but we do have Press Freedom. Not so in today's 'Democratic India'. 

The argument that India is alright because others are worse is spurious and disingenuous. The worst country is Myanmar (180/180). India is 150/180. Does that make you proud? 

Let's always compare ourselves with Myanmar and we'll smell of Roses.

Jagat

PS. Have you seen the TV documentary?

On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 21:02:04 GMT, 'Vivek Chhabra' via AFMCUK ALUMNI <afm...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thanks Ashish, I hope your response will help Jag Aulakh to now refrain his unsolicited, biased and vitiating reflections, forever, on this pious forum.

Warm wishes,

Vivek 

On 23 Jan 2023, at 18:38, ashish....@yahoo.com wrote:

Dear Dr Chhabra boss,

I've been trying to avoid replying to views in this group but sadly I lost.

The great democracy, or is it a monarchy, of the UK and the EU have blocked the Russian TV channel, RT and many other media outlets. And there was not even a whimper of protest from the citizens of those countries. But we unwashed dirty Indians are lectured on freedom of speech, expression and press!

Remember Julian Assange was extradited to the US from the heaven called UK and now in jail forever. Luckily, Edward Snowden saved himself from a similar fate.

As far as Reporters Without Borders is considered, bol do ki bharatiyon ne inke tukron pe palna chhod diya hai.

Cheers Boss

🍻👍

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 23:02, 'Vivek Chhabra' via AFMCUK ALUMNI

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The news item says this too…

The documentary was also criticised in a joint statement by more than 300 former judges, bureaucrats and prominent figures who accused the BBC of pushing a British imperialist agenda and “setting itself up as both judge and jury to resurrect Hindu-Muslim tensions”.

Warm wishes,

Vivek 

On 23 Jan 2023, at 15:22, 'Jag Aulakh' via AFMCUK ALUMNI <afm...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



Censorship. Can India really be called a Democracy any more? The Press Freedom Index 2022, published by Reporters Without Borders, ranks India 150th out of 180 countries! 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/23/india-emergency-laws-to-ban-bbc-narendra-modi-documentary

https://rsf.org/en/country/india

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[Vijai Kumar]

Gummy, 

Many thanks for sharing this. I can see and hear the vitriol.  May I humbly suggest AGMCUK to ask members NOT to write on  Politics and Religion in the open forum.,but  write to like minded individuals. You will observe our WhatsApp group does not permit anyone to wrote, forward or post  any topic related to religion and politics 

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[GyanKusum Mehta]

Vijai, I do listen to you.You know my involvement in our Whats App group well, not political, non religious, & only as a friend amongst batch mates.

That was the reason to let B batch know via mail what was going on in UK AFMC Alumni since BBC documentary on Mr Modi.

You may come to know that from AFMCites in UK a march is organised against BBC in Scotland, coming W/E. Good luck to them I say.

Gummy

 

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