Real Time Remote Music Creation - Aloha!

[Secretary AES Melbourne Section Inc]

Some online stories on an upcoming real-time (really low latency) music collaboration system caught my eye.
It's called Aloha from Swedish software outfit Elk Software,

They say it can be used with fibre optic and 5G internet connections, and even "cable" connections. 

ProSoundNews covered it here

https://www.prosoundnetwork.com/gear-and-technology/aloha-by-elk-promises-latency-free-remote-music-creation 

Then, Aussie mag Audio Technology has a story here

https://www.audiotechnology.com/news/say-aloha-to-real-time-iso-jams

In discussions about this with fellow Committee members, the open source Jamulus and JamKazam systems were mentioned, as well as various non-realtime remote recording solutions like SoundWhale and AudioBridge (thanks Fabio!).

An interesting topic, given the times.

Does anyone else have experience with these sorts of systems?

Peter Smerdon.
Secretary 
AES Melbourne Section 
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[Fabio Marraccini]

Hi there,

On the remote collab space (non realtime) I’ve also explored Audio Movers, Connection Open and Bandlab. Give me a shout if you want to share experience with any of these or the ones mentioned on Peter’s email.

Cheers,

Fabio Marraccini Project Manager, Audio Engineer, Technical Support AudioGeek11 “Audio Engineering Services for the Digital Age" +61414302995 fabio.ma...@audiogeek11.com https://audiogeek11.com Out Now: 'Where Music Meets Technology' Podcast

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[Ross Bencina]

Hello Peter,

On 16/08/2020 8:23 am, Secretary AES Melbourne Section Inc wrote:
> In discussions about this with fellow Committee members, the open source
> Jamulus and JamKazam systems were mentioned, as well as various
> non-realtime remote recording solutions like SoundWhale and AudioBridge
> (thanks Fabio!).

To add to your list, another option for real-time network music is
SoundJack:

https://dev.soundjack.eu/

It is open source and has been around for many years now.

Regards,

Ross

[Secretary AES Melbourne Section Inc]

Thanks Ross.

Another member has reported that this website is blocked by Malwarebytes - flagged as containing a trojan.
I have confirmed the report.

Any idea what's going on?

Anyone??

Maybe somebody could reach out to the Soundjack folks about this.

Anyway, it's probably wise to exercise caution until we know what's going on.

Peter Smerdon.
Secretary 
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[Jan Schmidt]

Hi,

On 16/8/20 8:23 am, Secretary AES Melbourne Section Inc wrote:
> Some online stories on an upcoming real-time (/really low /latency)

> music collaboration system caught my eye.
> It's called Aloha from Swedish software outfit Elk Software,
> They say it can be used with fibre optic and 5G internet connections,
> and even "cable" connections.

As it happens, a researcher from Uni Melbourne gave a talk last week
about low-latency live musical collaboration. There's a recording here:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/750423472?t=5h1m21s

Cheers,
Jan.

>
> ProSoundNews covered it here
> https://www.prosoundnetwork.com/gear-and-technology/aloha-by-elk-promises-latency-free-remote-music-creation 
>
> Then, Aussie mag Audio Technology has a story here
> https://www.audiotechnology.com/news/say-aloha-to-real-time-iso-jams
>
> In discussions about this with fellow Committee members, the open source
> Jamulus and JamKazam systems were mentioned, as well as various
> non-realtime remote recording solutions like SoundWhale and AudioBridge
> (thanks Fabio!).
>
> An interesting topic, given the times.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with these sorts of systems?
>
> Peter Smerdon.
> Secretary 
> AES Melbourne Section 
> Ph 0437-422-458
> Website    https://www.aesmelbourne.org.au/

> <http://www.aesmelbourne.org.au/>

> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/MelbAES
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[Fabio Marraccini]

Hi Jan,

Thanks for sharing - very interesting video that certainly went beyond the scope of what I knew… have you tried any of these platforms yourself ?

For low-latency jamming I’m still using Jamulus with my band on a weekly basis (yes lockdown blues is one of the main themes)

For remote collab I’m leaning towards Audiobridge or Bandlab.

There are so many different ones out there - any working for you ?

Cheers,

Fabio Marraccini Project Manager, Audio Engineer, Technical Support AudioGeek11 “Audio Engineering Services for the Digital Age" +61414302995 fabio.ma...@audiogeek11.com https://audiogeek11.com Out Now: 'Where Music Meets Technology' Podcast

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[Jan Schmidt]

Hi,

On 2/10/20 9:06 am, Fabio Marraccini wrote:
> Hi Jan,
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> Thanks for sharing - very interesting video that certainly went beyond
> the scope of what I knew… have you tried any of these platforms yourself ?

No, I haven't - the only collaboration we have attempted during lockdown
was using Zoom for distributed orchestra practice and it's generally awful.

> For low-latency jamming I’m still using Jamulus with my band on a weekly
> basis (yes lockdown blues is one of the main themes)
>
> For remote collab I’m leaning towards Audiobridge or Bandlab.

I want to learn what techniques they are using to try and minimise the
latency across the open internet vs "normal" audio/video conferencing
solutions. I already had a look at JackTrip, and it seems Jamulus is
also open source - so there's a good opportunity to learn there too.

Cheers,
- Jan.

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> Cheers,
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[Fabio Marraccini]

Hi there,

This is an old thread so I hope it still works. Still waiting to do a beta test of Aloha. Meanwhile, I’ve published an updated article on what’s out there:

https://audiogeek11.com/best-services-for-online-music-jam-2021/

Cheers,

Fabio Marraccini
AudioGeek11
Product Development | Audio Engineering | Technical Support

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