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Further to Kevin’s comments, I should note that base isolation can be very effective if it shifts the natural period of a conventional fixed-base building to a longer period away from the dominant shaking frequencies of the strong ground shaking. However, the natural period of tall structures (say > 10 stories) are normally outside of the damaging shaking frequencies. To use base isolation that is flexible enough to shift the natural period of a high rise to something significantly > 1sec would mean that they would move significantly under every day wind loads.
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It looks like progressive collapse occurred. The collapse started from the top floor, impacted and damaged the floor below and caused progressive collapse. Because of the flat slab design of the building without beams, the impact damage to the flat slab floor caused the column lost stability.
Bangkok basin has the natural vibration period of about 1 second according to a paper published by Prof. Pennung Warnitchai in 12WCEE in 2000. Prof. Warnitchai was also the leader in developing Thai seismic design code. The code published in 2018 divides Bangkok into 10 microzones. It has specific requirements for flat slab design to resist progressive collapse, similar to US DoD method. Unfortunately this building still collapsed. This building was designed by a consulting firm from Italy and is under construction by a Chinese contractor.
The epicentral distance to Bangkok is about 1000 kilometers, we can expect long period motions and site amplifications. More than 30 highrise buildings in Bangkok suffered different levels of damage, but only this one collapsed. Resonation contributed to these large responses.
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I agree with you that it appeared to fail from the top down like the World Trade Centre. However I doubt very much that it was due to higher mode excitation. This was a building still under construction. My suspicion is that they had poured the slab forming the floor of the next higher story, but the columns supporting it had not been fully braced with the lift well walls and maybe shear walls, which would been following a story or two behind. The upper story would then have had a lower stiffness that the lower ones which would have resulted in something like a whiplash behaviour of the upper floor. We will have to wait until the results of an engineering investigation to find out if this is what happened, but I suspect that it will be due to a temporary lack of stiffness due to the construction procedure.
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Great conversation,
I agree with George. For example, the concrete might have been poured recently and not be at its full strength or perhaps even still not fully set. Internal brick walls would be missing. Ductility might be missing from the floor to column connections. Load paths might be partially through formwork and scaffolding. Lots of opportunities for vulnerability.
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The earthquake had everything to do with the collapse. It would have excited the vibration of the Bangkok basin at its natural period of about 1 sec according to Hong Hao, which in turn would have caused resonant response in buildings with similar natural periods. Presumably the building that collapsed was one of these. What probably made this building different was that because it was still under construction the interstory stiffness of the assumed uncompleted top story may have been markedly less than that of the completed stories below. If the stiffness of the top story of a building is markedly less than the stiffness of the lower stories, then the interstory amplitude of vibration of the top story in the fundamental mode can be much greater than that of the stories below it, making it much more susceptible to collapse. I call it the whiplash effect. It can also be a problem for flexible towers mounted on the top of buildings, not only in earthquakes but also when tall buildings supporting flexible towers are excited into vibration by wind.
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Yes Kevin,
It would be the displacement demand that strains the top floor that leads to the initial damage and consequent collapse. Unless there is not sufficient ductility and resilience to absorb the energy, the top floor collapses.
The weight then impacts on the next floor which is probably only a week or two old and so not full strength anyway.
So, it may not matter what frequencies are present as long as the displacement demand is large enough to breach the practical ductility present – scaffolding, wet or 2 day old concrete slab or columns or column/slab connecctions (pumchiing shear in a weak concrete state).
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Looking at the swaying building in the video circulated by Adam the period of that building is much larger than 1 second – more like 5-6 seconds – which suggests the natural period of the basin is probably of this order at this location. It depends on the depth of the alluvium at the location so this may vary. Because of the form of construction – flat slab and columns, not beam and columns – the period of this building would probably be more than N/10 which is a very empirical estimate. I don’t think higher modes of vibration would have been the problem.
In the Newcastle earthquake a similar phenomenon occurred at a substation where some structures failed and others didn’t, which we investigated at CSIRO. It turned out it was due to the structures which failed being located on soft soil of a depth which produced a period of vibration of the soil column that closely matched their natural frequency, and these structures also being characterised by having an upper component much more flexible than the rest of the structure which was the component that failed. Unfortunately I cannot find the report we wrote on it.
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There is an interesting photo on Wikipedia of the building 3 months ago. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Bangkok_skyscraper_collapse#/media/File:State_Audit_Office_of_Thailand_2024.jpg
It looks as if the top story was different form the lower stories, with a much higher story height and therefore probably much less interstory stiffness. This may be a major contributing factor.
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