Harrison Bergeron

[Ms. Wilbanks]

I'm glad you all liked the story.  Choose one of the ideas to discuss with your peers using the online forum.  

Why do you think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story?  Was he commenting on how we live today?  If so, do you agree with his assessment of us?  If equality doesn't mean equal, what does it mean?  If no two people are created the same, can they be equal?  

[Markayla Canty]

I feel like Kurt Vonnegut is commenting on how we live today. I feel this way because in the story he referred to 'the dark ages' as if how we live now is just so insane we cannot live in it. But we're doing fine. I don't agree of how he's looking at our society today, because in my opinion equality would make society worser than it already is.

[Jordyne Hatter]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to show us that equality isn't always the best route and if we judge each other so much by appearance and actions, that might be what is in store for the future. In a way, he was commenting on how we live today because we all judge each other for what we can and cannot do. For example, the ones who have more talent then other people, or are better looking, sometimes look down on those who are not as lucky as to have good looks or natural talent. If equality doesn't mean equal I think it means that we put the pettiness and prejudice behind us and accept that we are all people, whether or not we are not as pretty as each other, or someone can play piano better than the other. I think equality means accepting everyone for their differences and that everyone accepts THEMSELVES. If no two people are created the same, they cannot be equal physically. But they can be equal in the sense that they are people, both of them have flaws and both of them have a reason they were  put on this Earth, and they were born the way they are for a reason, they have a purpose.

[Clinton]

I think Kurt Vonnegut's story was written with the intention of assessing the way we modern Americans so highly value equality. If you really think, everyone wants to be on par with the rich. They want the same rights/restrictions to be spread around all social classes, not just the middle. The don't want to be poor, they want to be equal, as does most of the middle class. I don't know how equality is valued in other countries, but here in America, equality is prominent.

[Steve Burgos]

If two people are created the same I think they can be equal but what would make them unbalanced would be there skills. What I mean is that you can be exactly the same in looks, hair, height, and weight  but one of the two people could be a better dancer or a better singer. When that happens then they are no longer equal. But if both were great dancers and singers then they are officially equal again. 

[Markayla Canty]

If two people are created the same, they cannot be equal. They have their own way of everything. Even if they are created the same, they will not grow up to be the same or equal. No body is like anybody else and I think it's impossible to make everyone equal.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

I'm glad you all liked the story.  Choose one of the ideas to discuss with your peers using the online forum.  

Why do you think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story?  Was he commenting on how we live today?  If so, do you agree with his assessment of us?  If equality doesn't mean equal, what does it mean?  If no two people are created the same, can they be equal?  

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[50026762]

I honestly don't think that two people that are created different from each other can be the same because they'll do and say stuff different, for instance with George and Hazel, George would say something sarcastic but Hazel would think that he is serious all because Hazel was naturally not too bright but George was.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Ekaterina Dombayeva (Katie)]

I think that Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story sort of to make fun of our society today.The reason I said that was because we all say we want equality but at the same time we don't. Even though we don't want people to be better than us there always will be.The story is reflecting almost like a mirror image on our society. I believe we handicap people mentally instead of physically. For example people that are really good at something that isn't as important as something else, the society throws them off because their skills are "un-important". A really good artist might not be recognized as a person that is good basketball.It all depends on the society.

[Maya]

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:25:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Burgos wrote:

If two people are created the same I think they can be equal but what would make them unbalanced would be there skills. What I mean is that you can be exactly the same in looks, hair, height, and weight  but one of the two people could be a better dancer or a better singer. When that happens then they are no longer equal. But if both were great dancers and singers then they are officially equal again. 

I don't think that to people can be the same we are just like snow flakes each of us have our own characteristics, our own blood type, our own finger printed we were made different. 

[Jennifer]

I think Kirt Vonnegut wrote the story because,it made you think how it would be if the world was equal,if everyone was equal.No one was different everyone was the same.The author wanted us to think,if this would ever happen.The whole story seems horrifying,its sounds dreadful to have devices on your ear that would give a sharp sound every twenty seconds,just so you wouldn't take advantage of your brain.But maybe when everyone is equal there won't be more problems in the world.

[Mariah S.]

I think Kurt Vonnegut was trying to tell us that equality isn't all that. Us Americans are all trying to be equal but I think he is saying if we go down that path of trying to be completely equal, its all going to be chaos. Like Markayla said he mentioned "the dark ages" as in, we were the dark ages because we were not all equal. 

[Briana Matarrese]

If no two people are created the same, they can be equal. I think originality and uniqueness makes up a person. Everyone was made to be different on purpose, imagine if we all looked the same, liked all the same things, went all the same places. Wouldn't that be boring? I think so. I think we can all be equal in senses of what were allowed to do and what people think of us. I think that's what real equality is because what makes up a person is how they are different and different isn't a bad thing and doesn't make people not equal. 

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Rosdrick Anderson]

 I think that Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to tell people about one day

this could happen because no one will disagree with equality.And being the 

the same mentally and psychically would change the world. Sports would be dull
people would have nothing to compete about.Maybe he was trying to say that everyone 

try to be the same as anyone else and the ones who do not are killed 

or excluded.Equality must mean fair if not equal everybody would be fairly average.

  

[Lexi Duran]

Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story "Harrison Bergeron" to show people that everyone having equality is not necessarily the best idea for the society today or in the future. I think that by Kurt Vonnegut writing this story he wasn't exactly commenting on how we live today but commenting on how people nowadays want equality and how everyone thinks that equality will bring euphoria upon us all but it is the exact opposite. He made this story strong and deep to give people an understand on how the government might treat the citizens of the world within "equality" and how mandatory living would be. Vonnegut's meaning of equality seems to be like your only as smart as the dumbest person or as strong as the weakest person. 

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Matthew J.]

I think that Kurt wrote the story because he wanted to show the people what he thinks life will be like 2081. He describes how society was in that time in positive way which means he must agree with their ideas. I don't think he was commenting on how we live today because how we live today is the opposite of how they live and the story. As a result, why would he commenting on how we live when we are nothing like the society in the story. I think there are different types of equality too. There can be equal in rights or literally equal.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Yalitza Topete]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story because he wanted to show an example of how the world might be like, if we end the differences of each other. I believe he was commenting on how we live today because in the story, George and Hazel mentioned how much they hated competition with other people in which they considered the dark ages for our time. I agree with the assessment of us because we do compete with our peers. There's always going to be somebody stronger then everybody else, better looking than anybody else and smarter than anybody else as well.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Raena]

 I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote this story, because, maybe it was his theory and opinion on how our world will be in the future, and how the people will be and react. I think he was was commenting on how we live today. I do not agree completely with him on his assessment of us, because, i don't believe we are that bad right now to become what he thinks we'll be in the future, but i do think something similar might happen around that time, but maybe not as bad as we all think. I think if equality doesn't mean equal, it means like to be treated fairly even with all our differences whether ones better or not that we're still treated the same as others. If no two people are created the same they can be equal.

[Nina]

I absolutely agree with you Jordyne. Society today is so superficial, and materialistic. Being equal in the eyes of the law, (and for some, god) is  no longer enough. If you don't look the same as someone who's considered pretty than you're no longer good enough. Standing out is no longer acceptable, These are huge issues in our society that aren't acknowledged enough. 

[Faven Woldetatyos]

I think that Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story because he wanted to show readers that being completely equal and getting rid of the differences won't really benefit a society. I believe he was commenting on how we live today because today the people in our society are usually trying to fit in by acting and dressing like the it people of our society. I think that he is trying to show us an example of the it people of our society gaining power and making sure everybody is the same, so that we can realize how important differences are in a society, even though it doesn't seem like it.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Sydney Comet]

Equality doesn't mean everyone is equal at everything. Equality means that everyone is treated with the same rights until their actions prove them wrong. For example, if someone where purposely to harm or kill someone else, they shouldn't be able to walk through the streets like everyone else. Their actions proved that they need to be arrested and locked up in a jail because they cause harm to people. 

[Alexis Gonzales]

If no two people are created the same, I don't think they can be equal . Yes, we are all created humans so in a way we are created equal, but what about the people who are born with disabilities ? Therefore, we aren't even necessarily born equal . Then , there is the factor of our differences as we grow older . For example , Micheal Jordan was born a human just like all other people . The difference is he is SKILLED in basketball . Because of his difference , he gets treated greater and not equal to others like maybe say a teacher . Therefore, we as people are not created equal and we sure are not treated equal, so there is no way we can all be equal . 

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Bailey Spriggs]

If two people aren't created the same, I don't think they are truly equal. I think this because if one person is born with a disability, and another isn't, they aren't equal with health, and they can't be equal with the way that they will be living. 

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Sarah Bates =D]

Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to show our generations that you cannot have a perfect society. If there was a perfect society everyone would be mindless robots and not very happy. He   was probably warning future generations that if you strive to be a perfect nation/society everyone would be equal in every which way and it wouldn't be great to run a country like that.   Equality mean that people have equal rights and counted as  equally to any other person. Two people are not created the same, but in our society  they have equal voices, rights, and importance in our society. 

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Olivia]

If no two people are created the same, they cannot be created equal. Any set of two people have at least slightly different skills, and so, are unequal in some way. If one is handicapped to have the same skills as the other then, their burdens are unequal. It would be a round-about game to attempt to make two people totally equal. For example, if one person is a very slow runner, but another is an Olympian gold medalist, the Olympian could be handicapped to run at the same speed as the runner who is not very fast. However, then the two would still be unequal because the Olympian is burdened yet the other is utterly free from burdens and handicaps. Utter equality is not achievable between any two individuals.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Heather S.]

Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story in order to show us that it isn't always the best thing to be equal with everybody. It is better to have competition so that people are different because if everybody is the same the people who are stronger or smarter worked harder in order to get that way so it isn't far.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

[Viktor Gemelev]

Equality means that everyone should be treated equally whether or not they have advantages or disadvantages over one another. A person that is really good in many subjects in their life should be treated the same as a person that is not so good in those subjects. Every person has their own thing they are good at which is why they should be treated equally, even if one of those people are much better or worse than others. Equality does not mean that everyone has to be equal at everything, such as intelligence or strength. Everyone has a different intelligence and strength level as everyone else, and that should be treated the same because everyone has their own strengths that should not be limited, which would make it not fair if they were. The society in the story took equality the wrong way and they took it too literal, limiting everybody's strengths.

[Selena Gochenour]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story because I think he wanted to show what life could be like if we all wanted to be equal. That is a way nobody should want to live because if no one was different how could we show our own skills and show our own life we want to live. Life should never end up being that way! I like the way life is not with no one equal and no one the same as somebody else.  

[Chloe Wright!!!]

If no two people are created the same, they can still be equal. Just because not everybody looks the same and has the same strength doesn't mean that we are being unfair to those that do not have these skills. Equality, the way I look at it goes along with rights. We do not all have to look the same to be equal. To be equal, we should all get the same rights, meaning things like women getting paid as much as men, not something that goes along with looks.

[Coree Morgan]

Topic: If no two people are created the same, can they be equal?  

Answer: No to people are created thee same as in physical traits and characteristics. Otherwise, we are all equal because we were born with the same rights. People, such as the government, just choose to put limits on our equality. For example, if you are a woman, you make less salary and pay than a man because we still hold onto that value from a long time ago. Not to mention, their apparently is a great deal of difference between the rich and the poor. Both groups have different money intake but both groups are just people with the same rights as others. Equality means absolutely nothing when it comes to human nature. we would rather have a person in highest authority, if they fought for it, and would let them control us instead of us all working as a group. This does not necessarily mean that people need sash weights or thought breaking head phones to make us equal. Those only control our physical body which is of no importance what so ever.

[Sydney Comet]

Did he really write it to make fun of our society today? Kurt Vonnegut's story was published in 1961, the generation he meant for this story to be is way older than us. I think that he meant to show that if people keep complaining about everything not being fair, and not realizing that nothing can be completely equal for everyone, and  it is based our hard work, that life could end up like it is in the story Harrison Bergeron.  

[Daniela (Daddy) Castro]

I think that Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to somewhat comment of how we live today and how that would effect us in the future. The story mentions that the dark ages were where everybody was competing against everybody else. I think he was referring to our time period now because that's exactly what's going on. Every teenager is in competition with someone else, trying to get "better" guys, trying to be prettier than others. In the point of the view of others, our society is ugly. There are some people who say that people are people and we should all be counted equal. But others disagree. If people can't come to the sense that we are all equal, our world would be like the world Kurt Vonnegut describes. The government would try so hard to create us equal in ways that we wouldn't like. I completely agree with the message I found behind the story. 

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

I'm glad you all liked the story.  Choose one of the ideas to discuss with your peers using the online forum.  

Why do you think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story?  Was he commenting on how we live today?  If so, do you agree with his assessment of us?  If equality doesn't mean equal, what does it mean?  If no two people are created the same, can they be equal?  

[Deron (Hulk) Solomon]

If no to men are created the same then yes they can still be equal. All people have the opportunity to do something that other people do 
its just a matter or whether or not you take it. And some choices are out of your hand and are made for either when you were created or by your guardian.

[Sarah Bates =D]

I agree with Nina and Jordyne because that physically they are not the same, but they are equal in "the eyes of the law." I also agree with Nina that society hasn't yet realized that physical traits make someone more important. 

[Hanna Piilola]

If no two people are created the same, they can't be equal. Everyone has the right to do or attempt whatever they want, this is what makes them equal and the same. Although, it is up to the person to change that. Since everyone has the same rights and abilities, people can make different decisions. For example, everyone has the right to symbolic speech. There are some people who will take action and take advantage of it to express their opinion of a certain topic. Others could decide not to take action in it either because they don't have one opinion or they don't want to express it for whatever reason.

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:16:44 AM UTC-6, Ms. Wilbanks wrote:

I'm glad you all liked the story.  Choose one of the ideas to discuss with your peers using the online forum.  

Why do you think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story?  Was he commenting on how we live today?  If so, do you agree with his assessment of us?  If equality doesn't mean equal, what does it mean?  If no two people are created the same, can they be equal?  

[Miriam Mata]

I think that Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story that it is not always good for everyone to be just like you. He was commenting on our society because teenagers today exclude others because other people are different. It's mostly seen in popularity, popular people judge others because they are not like them. I think those popular people who judge and make fun of people could learn something from this story. If we lived in a society like the one in Kurt's story the popular people wouldn't even be talking because they wouldn't have anything to talk about. For example if a popular person today were to talk about how ugly another person is, in a society like the one in 2081 they wouldn't talk because they would be just as ugly as the other person. Obviously they wouldn't talk about themselves.

[Mykayla Flores]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote "Harrison Bergeron" to show what it would be like if we got what we wanted. Society today believes that we all have to be the same or do the same things or else were not "cool" and were left out. In 2081, everybody was equal to everyone else and it was not as great as we want it to be. 

[Brittany Cornett]

I believe that Kurt Vonnegut wrote this story to show that everyone can not be equal, we are all different and unique for a reason and we should keep it that way. Everyone is created differently and that is what is so unique about us. We are not supposed to the same.

[Heather S.]

I agree with Alexis because we are all created as humans but after that people aren't always the same. For example other people work harder in order to make it to the Olympics so they should have the right in order to be different and stay different. Then some people are born with disabilities so they are not necessarily equal.  

[Jenna Larson]

I feel that Kurt Vonnegut was saying that everybody can be equal. If no two people are created the same, they can still be equal. All people can be equal by having equal rights and by being treated fairly. In the stroy people who have slight advantages over others are handicapped, but people who are normal have no handicaps. In the story the government thinks that everyone is equal but their not because some people get handicaps and some don't. The society that we live in now is equal because everyone has equal rights and are treated equal.

[Caleb Hyatt]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to express the insanity of the idea of equality. He wanted to show us that equality is really not the answer and that differences make people who they are. He was commenting on the constitution and how equality can lead to horrible lives and mass chaos. But on the other hand, if equality doesn't mean perfectly equal then it must mean equal as in the rights and the meaning to others, which even to the government doesn't apply, which means that our society doesn't take equality seriously, except where it stands in the 18th amendment. 

[Coree Morgan]

In reply to Olivia A., no two people are created the same as in physical traits and characteristics. Otherwise, we are all equal because we were born with the same rights. People, such as the government, just choose to put limits on our equality. For example, if you are a woman, you make less salary and pay than a man because we still hold onto that value from a long time ago. Not to mention, their apparently is a great deal of difference between the rich and the poor. Both groups have different money intake but both groups are just people with the same rights as others. Equality means absolutely nothing when it comes to human nature. we would rather have a person in highest authority, if they fought for it, and would let them control us instead of us all working as a group. This does not necessarily mean that people need sash weights or thought breaking head phones to make us equal. Those only control our physical body which is of no importance what so ever. 

[Emily H.]

I think Kurt Vonnegut created this story because he is trying to say that people in our modern society(in america) care to much about everybody being equal. Kurt Vonnegut was saying that  maybe being completely equal is not as great as we make it out to be. If everybody was equal not just in rights and stuff, but in looks and strength. Making a life a place where no one was better then anyone. So we would have to be all as equal as the dumbest person or even the weakest.

[Nate Beutel]

 I believe Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story about our generation because of how different we are today then in years past. In the story Kurt views our generation in a way that seemed to say that we will turn out to be a society that crumbles and i disagree. Our generation has had some of the best creations and innovations to help us like improving our sources of clean power.  

 

[Jordan Maestas]

If two people were created the same they can't be equal. The two people could be twins that look the same but we all know twins think different. As Harrison in the story was trying to present that people can be better than others like when the musicians played. The two people might be equal on the outside but in the mind they think totally different.

[Dominic Granados]

Kurt Vonnegut was indeed commenting on how we live today because in this present time people are so judgmental to people with lesser abilities or lesser qualities. He was commenting on how we live today because today people cause trouble/problems because of other peoples' qualities and is also known as harassment or bullying. This is a major cause of suicide, and Kurt Vonnegut was trying to say that if this started growing as a large problem then it would lead to what he stated in his story. He wasn't directly commenting on this, but he was indeed commenting about how we live today.

[Samuel Tadesse]

I think that Kurt Vonnegut wrote this story to show that a world where everybody is equal is not a good thing because people and government will take advantage of everyone. In the story, the the government makes people wear weights and other handicappers. Do the people in the government have to wear handicappers? I think equality means the same.  

[Olivia]

[Lauren Spero]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story for the reason of if society ends up the way the it was in the story, then in my opinion would be a disaster.  When Harrison Bergeron escaped from jail, he didn't like how the government was ruling the country, so he took matters in his own hands.  He did that by going against the law by taking off his weights and items required by law.  honestly, I didn't think it was ironic because I would have followed him to get out of a matter that serious and I would not be happy at all.  I think Kurt Vonnegut was commenting on society today because we judge people for who they are everyday and if we, as a society, become equal life won't become stable. I don't agree because just because in the constitution it says all men are created, it is not against the law to treat them differntly.

[Imane Elouadi]

I believe Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story because, he wanted to warn the future generations,  which is us, of using equality to the extent. Today myriad amounts of people "handicap" others in the society who are better. For example, taxes are constantly rising, but salaries aren't. So, people who benefit the society the most, such as teachers, are being figuratively "handicapped" by not receiving the correct amount of money, which is keeping them down in society. Therefore, Kurt wanted humans to learn a lesson from the story. 

[Andrea Gonzalez]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to show that no matter how hard we try not every man can be made or created equal. The government was able to control most people but they couldn't control Harrison no matter how much they tried which was why they killed him. It was impossible to make him the same. People can have the same rights as others (going to school, working, etc.) but they will never be physically the same (hair, eye color, skills, etc.).

[Brittany]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to show that people can't be equal. One person is always going to be smarter or prettier than someone else. People are just going to have to deal with other people being better than someone else. Just because you put a transmitter on some one doesn't mean they aren't still going to be smart, look at Harrison Bergernon he still supposably plotted to take over the government with a transmitter and weights on. That shows that everyone can't be equal and that we were put on earth for a reason. 

[Markayla Canty]

I agree with Mykayla to a point. Although now I don't think it's unnecessary to say the fact that we all have to do the same things as others to be cool. But we all have our own definition of the word cool. And, I feel like this story was made to teach our society today a lesson. You don't need to be equal to another person to have a good life. You just have to be as good as you can be as yourself.

[Lexi Phillippi]

I think Kurt Vonnegut wrote the story to show us that if we are always competing with each other, one day the government might decide to run things in the same way. The only reason the Handicapper Generals used this method of control was to prevent things from going back to the way they were in the "dark ages" when every one was competing against everyone else. I think Kurt Vonnegut was commenting on how we live today, maybe he was trying to foreshadow what could happen if we let our competitive life style get out of hand enough to the point where simple things like intelligence, strength, or beauty could be fought over until the government got so tired of it that they made it so no one could fight over it because everyone would be equal with certain handicaps.

[Maegan Akell]

Kurt Vonnegut I believe, wrote the story to comment on how we live today. He was trying to show us our society now, in the future, but at a more extreme level. I fully agree with his assessment of us. If you join a local soccer team and you play and loose, you would get a reward anyways. Something like a ribbon or trophy, just for trying. What this is doing is saying it doesn't matter who has better qualities and can play better, it's just the fact you tried. It's like the whole "No child left behind" program. Societly is trying to make us all equal. Equality is good and all, but when you join a competition their should only be one winner. Isn't that what school is? Just a big competition to see who is smarter an can succeed using their knowlege in life. Personally I think the whole "No child left behind" program is dumb and is limting ones full potentail. If your in a math class and one kid doesn't get what your learning, sometimes you have to go back and waste a whole day re-learning something YOU personally already know, to make that one kid understand it. Situations like this are only getting more frequent. I'm not quite sure where I was going with that whole point, but I hope you can see and understand what I am trying to convey.

[Erikka]

I agree with Sydney because there is not a way for everyone to do everything the same. Everyone is born different. There is no possible way even with giving people handicaps that everyone can be the same. Equality is treating someone the same and not judging them. But as Sydney said, if someone does something bad then they shouldn't be treated equal to everyone else.

 

[Reuben E.]

Ok first i didn't really like the story.

If no two people are created the same can they be equal?

If no one is created the same I don't believe anyone can be equal. If no one was first created the same then they wouldn't die the same. So in that sense no one can be truly equal. Another example is Hazel will always have an average IQ but George would always be smarter than her speaking if there weren't handicaps.Two question I have is if the handicaps were to lower someone with higher an IQ and not letting them think for more than 20 seconds how is that having equality. My second question is that were the handicappers enforcement wearing handicaps themselves. 

[Jared Clanton]

If two are created the same they ca not be equal.  Like Jordan Masteas said they can be twins.  But I dont agree with the fact thet twins don't think the same because I know a pair of twins and they think almost exactly the same.  This doesn't mean they are eqaul though.  If they were to be equal they would have to hav the exact traits.  The twins I know don't because one is taller than another.  Also,  if they were equal they would be given the same attention and they do not.  One of them just hurt their arm and he is getting way more attention because he is hurt.