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1. The creation is simultaneous. Dṛṣṭi, i.e. vṛtti-upahita-caitanya itself is sṛṣṭi. There is no concept of pañca-mahābhūta and pañcīkaraṇa etc.
What is this upahita? If it functions to conceal, what is the nature of its concealment? Is it a material or like a cloud, or darkness, or error?
2. Pratyabhijñā is illusory. The Devadatta seen now is not the Devadatta seen a moment ago. It is a new dṛṣṭi, it is a new Devadatta.
1. “Another counter-argument made by Vyāsatīrtha on DS is that this doctrine cannot establish recognition. Whether recognition is a validmeans of knowledge or is not within the domain of valid means continues to be an issue in the ongoing debate in classical Indian philosophy. The process of recognition depends upon two aspects: one is mental and the other is sensory. When it is established that ‘this is that very Devadatta’ then there exists the possibility that one Devadatta is in memory and another Devadatta is being directly perceived. Vyāsatīrtha points out that there will never be such knowledge if knowledge differs in each moment.
Madhusūdana replies to this problem with an illustration of the recognition of a flame, which is different in each moment. This reply definitely aligns his argument closely with the Buddhist doctrine of momentariness. In this sense, the charge of Vyāsatīrtha that DS appropriates the Sautrāntika doctrine of momentariness seems to have some validity.”
2. The consequence Vyāsatīrtha had shown in the svarūpalakṣaṇa of Brahman was re-established in AS. Namely, when we say ‘this is silver’, there are two parts: one part is ‘this’, and the other is ‘silver’. In the context of error, the ‘this’ part is the foundation of the cognition as ‘silver’, and it is the ‘silver’ that is falsely perceived, not ‘this’ part. This is the common Nyāya theory of error accepted even by Bhāṭṭa-Mīmāṃsakas. Vanamālin states that if the part ‘this’ is to be real, then there is also ‘the property of being perceived’ (dṛśyatva). To accept any object as perceived constitutes a fallacy, following DS.
3. He further adds that, in the moment when there is a conception that ‘this is silver,’ no shell exists, along the lines of DS (since only ‘that which is known’ exists). It is therefore not possible to state that superimposition is due to ignorance of that i.e., shellhood, for instance.
3. Bhāvarūpa avidyā is admitted. You say somewhere, “the swarUpa lakshaNa of adhyAsa i.e. appearance of non-difference of mithyA vastu with satya vastu, is not possible”
How can mithyA be a vastu when you hold silver is sublatable and that whatever is seen exists?
4. There is only one jīva.
What is the nature of this jiva? Empirical, Brhaspati, Eshwara, Sakshi, Pure Consciousness? Reconcile that jiva is anadi but has an end.
5. There is no ajñāta-sattā of objects.
“Sublatory knowledge is considered to be false. The problem arises: how can one false knowledge be more reliable than another when the knowledge of x sublates the knowledge of y? This problem raised by Vyāsatīrtha appears to be the most difficult one for Madhusūdana to resolve. Although Madhusūdana does not defend the taṭastha type of definition, pointing out that this is for those who possess a lower aptitude for realization, he defends the second, or svarūpa type of definition, wherein the appearance of a real thing is in the false form. If pure ‘consciousness only’, free from modification, is accepted as the doctrine of DS, there is no necessity for defending this position. As Madhusūdana defends another version of DS, in which all is only false appearance, then in this case, his defense of the svarūpa definition fits.”
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Sudhanshi-ji: Leave everything aside, what Shankara says, what SSSS ji says, what VivaraNa says, what MS says. Can we show an iota of difference between waking and dream? Can we cite even one parameter based whereupon I can distinguish dream from waking?
Michael-ji: Very nice! This is the argument we need to have with ourselves over and over again.
Dennis: Presumably neither of you has ever had a lucid dream. You recognize, in the dream, that you are dreaming and are able subsequently to direct the development of the dream. You actually choose ‘where to go’ and ‘what to do’. You are limited only by your imagination. Flying unaided is a popular one. (I have only had lucid dreams a handful of times but experienced this one.)
Best wishes,
Dennis
Dennis: Presumably neither of you has ever had a lucid dream. You recognize, in the dream, that you are dreaming and are able subsequently to direct the development of the dream. You actually choose ‘where to go’ and ‘what to do’. You are limited only by your imagination. Flying unaided is a popular one. (I have only had lucid dreams a handful of times but experienced this one.)
As I said, clearly you have not yourself experienced a lucid dream. You would not try to argue in this way if you had.
Best wishes,
Dennis
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Namaste Dennis ji.
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Leave everything aside, what Shankara says, what SSSS ji says, what VivaraNa says, what MS says. Can we show an iota of difference between waking and dream? Can we cite even one parameter based whereupon I can distinguish dream from waking?