Dear Sri Subramanian,You write :"one becomes liberated from bondage by constantly thinking 'I am Vishnu'"IS it not like saying "One becomes a crorepati byconstantly thinking 'I am Mukesh Ambani'"?
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praNAms Sri Venkataraghavan prabhuji
Hare Krishna
Very correct. shAstras are totally unnecessary. There is no need for shravaNam, mananam, nididhyAsanam. There is no need for Shankaracharya to have come down to earth and written all his commentaries. It is a total waste of time.
Whereas, not doing anything and whiling away one's time is perfectly sensible.
Ø Hmmm…. Very rare sarcasm from you prabhuji 😊 however there is some theory which emphasizes that don’t take all these things as real!! These are all just your dream characters and acting (as if) in your dream world 😊 A passionate DS vAdin would say this 😊 Just curious to know here in this dhyAna: like ‘I am vishNu’ is something like svasvarUpAnusaNdhAna as in ‘shivOhaM’ ( keeping only vishNu tattva or shiva tattva in mind – upAdhi rahita tattva jnana ) or like keeta intensely thinking about bhramara and getting the ‘shape’ of bhramara (sArUpya type of krama mukti) ?? As it is clear in Advaita contemplating on I am vishNu or shivOhaM is not later type of meditation and that is not shAstra vihita as well.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
These are all just your dream characters and acting (as if) in your dream world 😊 A passionate DS vAdin would say this 😊
Just curious to know here in this dhyAna: like ‘I am vishNu’ is something like svasvarUpAnusaNdhAna as in ‘shivOhaM’ ( keeping only vishNu tattva or shiva tattva in mind – upAdhi rahita tattva jnana ) or like keeta intensely thinking about bhramara and getting the ‘shape’ of bhramara (sArUpya type of krama mukti) ??
praNAms Sri Venkataraghavan prabhuji
Hare Krishna
It was sarcasm, but its purpose was not to belittle, but to illustrate that there is a reason why the shAstra and the guru paramparA exists. No one in the advaita tradition will say that the guru, scripture, karma, dhyAna or jnAna sAdhana are purposeless. They are very much necessary.
Ø Yes, that is the reason why bhAshyakAra too give utmost importance to sampradaya, sampradayavida guru and his teaching. And when he is insisting the importance of sAmpradAyika teachings through shrotreeya brahmanishTa guru he never advised sAdhaka jignAsu-s that they are mere dream characters in sAdhaka’s dream state.
However in some places, ahamgraha upAsana of the type has also been prescribed. The purpose of it is to prepare the mind for the rise of samyak jnAna.
Ø Yes the purpose of OmkArOpAsana, vibhUti upAsana or daharOpAsana, ahaMgrahOpAsana, hArdabrahmOpAsana as explained in chAndOgya shruti etc. is for chitta Shuddhi and brahmalOka prApti through kartru tantra sAdhana. And I don’t think these upAsana-s too not advocating the dhyAna like I am vishNu, I am shiva keeping and treating the sOpAdhika brahma / Pratima as me like imposter paundraka in bhagavata 😊
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!
bhaskar
Dear Sri Venkatraghavan,
I thank you for your kind response.
As a reply to your response I am bringing to your kind attention two postings of mine which appeared in Advaitin group as well as Advaitin-1 group.
That will be enough for you to know the importance of the questions I posed to Sri Subramanian. Please ponder over the questions in the light of the mantras to which I have referred in the posting [a-2]. My Revered Guru’s Grace helped me in my journey undertaken in the direction as revealed by those mantras towards MYSELF which is ATMAN / BRAHMAN.
POSTING :[a-1]
Re: [Advaita-l] How can prANa be Brahman?
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SUBJECT : Re: [Advaita-l] How can prANa be Brahman?
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Sat, 10 Sept, 2016 at 4:34 pm
Dear Friends,
Sri Chandramouli writes : "In short the goal of every advaita sAdhaka should be to be a jivanmukta."
The fact is that every one including an advaita sadhaka is already a jivanmukta but most of them, say 99.999% , are not aware of this TRUTH. So what has to be done is to become aware of this FACT. The methodology to become aware of this fact has been given in the mantras 2-1-3 & 2-1-4 of Kathopanishad and Mantra 2-4 of Kena Upanishad . In the commentaries to those mantras, Sri Shankara, in the most simple and direct way has explained and shown the path in very clear terms . If only a sincere mumukshu, with an open mind, can study at the feet of a Guru who has cognized the truth within himself by himself and see the Truth, not through the screen of the scholarship and knowledge which he has accumulated, but with a clean slate as taught by the Sruti and Acharya he can surely and certainly reach the goal which is no goal at all.
Sri Shankara says :
[a-1]Atman is nityavartamAnasvarUpaH.
[a-2] nityatvAt mokShasya ,
sAdhakasvarUpAvyatirEkAcca ||
[a-3] AtmA hi nAma svarUpam ||
With sAShTAMganamaskArams,
Sreenivasa Murthy
Posting [a-2]
From::
Sreenivasa Murthy
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Sun, 10 Dec, 2023 at 11:02 am
SUBJECT : MESSAGE OF THE UPANISHADS
Respected members,
Mother Sruti declares :
Yatra nAnyat paSyati nAnyat SRuNOti nAnyat
vijAnAti sa BUmA || Chandogya 7-24-1
SatyaM jnAnaM anantam brahma || TaittarIya 2-1
sarvagM hyEtadbrahma ayamAtmA
brahma || ManDukya Mantra 2
brahmaivEdagM viSvaM variShTham || muMDaka 2-2-12
sa EvEdagM sarvaM || Chandogya 7-25-1
ahamEvEdagam sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-1
AtmaivEdagaM sarvam || Chandogya 7-25-2
Atmata EvEdagM sarvam || Chandogya 7-26-1
prapaMcOpaSamam Sivam advaitam caturtham manyantE
sa AtmA sa VijnEyaH || Mandukya mantra 7
From the above quoted mantras it follows that
Aham which is myself and which is HERE and NOW
is BUmA, Atman, Brahman. And also I am anantam and advaitam.
I am HERE & NOW.
Hence where nAnu is there which is HERE & NOW,
there is no second thing besides me which can be seen,
Which can be heard or which can be thought about.
So I AM advaitatattva.
This is the only conclusion that can be drawn from the above quoted Sruti mantras.
I request the very well versed Scholars in Vedanta
to ponder over the implications of these mantras
and show how what has been stated in these mantras is a fact of life.
This is a litmus test to all the great scholars of this group.
With respectful namaskars,
Sreenivasa Murthy.
Unquote.
With this I will close.
With respectful pranams,
Sreenivasa Murthy.
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