Dichotomy in creation - Advaita beautifully explained - Dream analogy - Hindi

[V Subrahmanian]

Swami Premanand Ji responding to a question: 

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[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste.

Sankshepa ShArIraka very emphatically says the following:

तव गाढमूढतमसा रचितं जगदीशजीववपुषा सकलम्। 

प्रतिभाति तावददृढं दृढवत् समुदेति यावदवबोधरविः॥२२२॥

This prapancha in the form of world, Ishwara and jIva is constructed by your dense, dark, deluding ignorance. While it is extremely fragile, it appears as solid and firm only so long as the sun of jnAna does not appear.


तव चित्तमात्मतमसा जनितं परिकल्प्यत्यखिलमेव जगत्। तव कल्पनाविरचितः स गुरुस्तव रूपमद्वयमुदाहरति॥२२५॥

Your mind is born from ignorance of Atma. And your mind imagines this entire world. Guru, who is also constructed by your imagination, will explain/teach/make you see your own non-dual nature.

Regards.

Sudhanshu Shekhar.

[V Subrahmanian]

Apt verses from that text.  I think since avidya/maya is trigunatimika, the Guru, shāstra, etc. kalpanam is owing to the sattva aspect.  

warm regards

subbu 

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[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Namaste Subbu ji.

I think since avidya/maya is trigunatimika, the Guru, shāstra, etc. kalpanam is owing to the sattva aspect.  

The sarvAtma-bhAva is essentially this -- this notion of I, you, he is an illusion. As much illusory as the notion of I, you, he in dream. 

I-ness, you-ness, he-ness are illusory. However, something is there which is indicated by the word I, and something is there which is indicated by the word you.

That entity, the real entity which is actually being meant by the word I and you, is same. It is identical in all living beings. It is the substratum of these bodies, minds and also the inert stones etc.

Raman Maharshi said, "The body is in space, but the space is in you".

That very same identical entity (self) is acting somewhere as I, somewhere as you and somewhere as he or she. Indeed, electricity and bulb/fan/AC is a very apt example.

Now, since bulb, AC, fans are experienced to be different, it is natural to imagine that their causes will be different. 

The upAdhis of Ishwara, Guru, shAstra are (imagined to be) absolutely pure. And hence, they must be inferred to be emanating out of sattva aspect of ignorance.

However, the sage situated in sarvAtma-bhAva would be focused on the Self. And treating the upAdhis as nothing but products of ignorance, he would see his own Self as the being of Guru, Ishwara and also other beings. Seeing one's own mind and body as "this" instead of "I", and/or, seeing "I" as "this" helps a great deal in non-identification with non-Self.

AshTAvakra GItA glorifies such a sage -

चेष्टमानं शरीरं स्वं पश्यत्यन्यशरीरवत्। 

संस्तवे चापि निन्दायां कथं क्षुभ्येत् महाशयः।।3.10।।

Regards.

Sudhanshu Shekhar.

[Bhaskar YR]

praNAms

Hare Krishna

>  rAma, rAma IMO the statement : “ Ishwara is constructed by your dense, dark deluding ignorance” is utter blasphemy and no dobut it is vehemently propagating nireeshwara / nAstika vAda.  So as per above dictum after jnAna, jnAni would say Ishwara / paramAtma is product of your ignorance don’t give any heed to Ishwara tatva and there is nothing that can be called Ishwara -guru etc.!!   So those Jagadguru-s doing the pooja to Ishwara and offering the naivedyam is nothing but offering the milk to non existing ‘snake’ in rope!!  paramAtma, I don’t know what more I have to see about Ishwara-guru in this world of dry-logic. 

 

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!

bhaskar

[Bhaskar YR]

since avidya/maya is trigunatimika, the Guru, shāstra, etc. kalpanam is owing to the sattva aspect.  

 

praNAms

Hare Krishna

 

So as per you, dark and deluding ignorance in which Ishwara is created is sAtvika aspect in advaita vedAnta!!! OTOH, if you see the shruti references like brahmavAdinO vadanti, it is clear that a paramArtha jnAni never ever thinks that Ishwara is the product due to dense, dark and deluding ignorance, in his bhUma drushti ultimately he realizes that Ishvara (the personal God, or Saguna Brahman) and his own true nature (Atman) are non-different from the ekamevAdviteeya reality, i.e. brahman. The jnani's understanding of Ishvara is not   that Ishwara is just a snake (non-existing one) in rope or one of a separate entity, but rather a realization of unity or Ikyata or abheda. And in this abheda jnAna Ishwara is NOT the product on jeeva’s ignorance rather it is the tattva that is non-different from HIM.  IshwarO gururAtmeti mUrthybhedAt vibhAgine.  And these intricacies of Advaita vedAnta can be understood by those who have limitless bhakti-shraddha towards his / her Ishwara and guru not to the mere dry logicians.  Yasya deve parA bhaktiH yathA deve tathA gurau, tasmaite kathitA hyarthAH prakAshante mahAtmanaH…says shwetAshvatara shruti. 

 

I am really surprised you are clapping to the dry logicians Ishwara-guru bhakti rahita dry logic statements. 

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Hare Krishna Bhaskar Prabhu ji.

>  rAma, rAma IMO the statement : “ Ishwara is constructed by your dense, dark deluding ignorance” is utter blasphemy and no dobut it is vehemently propagating nireeshwara / nAstika vAda. 

Not really. It all depends on the framework and definition of Ishwara. In pratibimba-vAda of VivaraNa, Ishwara is bimba-chaitanya. While the bimba-tva is avidyA-krita, the chaitanya is not avidyA-krita. 

See, just as jIva is chaitanya with upAdhi (malina-sattva), similarly Ishwara is chaitanya with upAdhi (shuddha-sattva). The respective upAdhis are avidyA-krita, mithyA and गाढम्-ऊढतमसा-रचितम्. But the chaitanya aspect is not mithyA or avidyA-krita.

On the other hand, if one defines Ishwara as shuddha-chaitanya, then of course it is not avidyA-krita.

So, instead of treating the statement as blasphemy, we need to understand what the text is trying to say. Brahma-vidyA is not about perpetuating the difference between jIva and Ishwara by reinforcing the difference of upAdhis. Brahma-vidyA is about dismissing the upAdhis lock, stock and barrel and situating as the Self which is identical in all jIvAs and Ishwara. 

 

So as per above dictum after jnAna, jnAni would say Ishwara / paramAtma is product of your ignorance don’t give any heed to Ishwara tatva and there is nothing that can be called Ishwara -guru etc.!! 

The upAdhi of Ishwara is a product of ignorance. Chaitanya is not a product of ignorance. The AbhAsa of chaitanya in upAdhi is avidyA-krita and mithyA. The upahita-Chaitanya is not mithyA. The teaching after jnAna is -- remove your drishTi from upAdhi and be. Period.

 

 So those Jagadguru-s doing the pooja to Ishwara and offering the naivedyam is nothing but offering the milk to non existing ‘snake’ in rope!! 

The offering of naivedya/milk is an activity in the domain of avidyA Bhaskar ji. It is as much avidyA-krita as any other upAdhi. Be it of jIva or of Ishwara. Some activities pave the way in dismissing the upAdhi. It is one of them. 

 

paramAtma, I don’t know what more I have to see about Ishwara-guru in this world of dry-logic. 

Very clearly one has to see an analyse. It is not about dry logic or wet logic. It is just clear seeing. One has to question oneself - am I, in the garb of wet logic, being a mere fanatic!

Regards.

Sudhanshu Shekhar.