'You are my equal' says Krishna to Shiva
V Subrahmanian
ब्रह्मवैवर्तपुराणम्/खण्डः १ (ब्रह्मखण्डः)/अध्यायः ०६
पराक्रमेण यशसा महसा मत्समो भव।।
प्राणानामप्यधिकस्त्वञ्च न भक्तस्त्वत्परो मम ।।1.6.३०।।
त्वत्परो नास्ति मे प्रेयांस्त्वं मदीयात्मनः परः।।
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Bhaskar YR
praNAms
Hare Krishna
which says that differentiating between Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu, is considered to be a great misdemeanor. Years ago I heard that verse, but unfortunately I forgot the verse. If you are aware of it. I would request you kindly to share that.
Ø Sri Appayya deekshitar had said something like this I reckon. And in Hindu dharma ( tamil discourse of HH Sri chandrashekharendra Saraswati has some narrations like this from purANa-s where sometimes shiva bossing over vishNu and vice versa 😊 the below quoted verse from purAna rather a potent reference for the vaishNava-s to say: See our Krishna certifying shiva FROM TODAY ONWARDS (adyaprabhruti) you are equal in my knowledge!!?? What does it mean shiva was inferior in knowledge all these previous days and by relentlessly serving the lord Krishna he got the knowledge by the grace of Krishna and krisha is admiring the knowledge of his shishya and bhakta. All these verses showing the Lord appraising his devotee with vAtsalya and you & me does not anyway mean any Ikyata / non-difference OTOH in this purANa, the Boss elevating his sub-ordinate/shishya/bhakta after seeing his service & devotion 😊 As per dvaita vAda rudra / shiva is parama bhAgavatOttama and he is the first devotee of Lord vishNu 😊 And frankly, I am quite amused why we the socalled advaitins spending so much time in proving the equality or predominantly trying to prove the supremacy of lord shiva over vishNu / Krishna in every possible way 😊 Especially when we are first to say all upAdhi-s of Ishwara is avidyAkruta and Ishwara’s sarvajnatva, sarvashaktitva etc. are in the realm of avidyA kshetra !! why and what we are trying to prove in avidyA kshetra here?? I just wonder !!
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
अद्यप्रभृति ज्ञानेन तेजसा वयसा शिव ।। २९ ।।
पराक्रमेण यशसा महसा मत्समो भव।।
From today onwards O Shiva you shall be my equal in knowledge, brilliance, age, prowess, fame and splendor.
प्राणानामप्यधिकस्त्वञ्च न भक्तस्त्वत्परो मम ।।1.6.३०।।
त्वत्परो नास्ति मे प्रेयांस्त्वं मदीयात्मनः परः।।You are greater to me than my life, of me there is no greater devotee than you. None is more loving to me than you, you are greater than my self.
Om tat sat
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V Subrahmanian
Dear Subbuji,There is also another source, but I am unable to recall the details of the source, where Lord Krishna sought the blessings of Lord Shiva, in order to be undefeatable. The Bholanath was so pleased that he gave that boon to Lord Krishna. Lord Shiva said that nobody would be able to defeat Lord Krishna and not even He (Lord Shiva) will be able to defeat him (Lord Krishna).When king Bana captured Lord Krishna's grandson Aniruddha, Lord Krishna attacked Bana. Lord shiva came to the side of his devotee, Bana. There was a truce. Bana remained alive, because of Lord Shiva.
Hari-Hara abheda in Vishnupurana
In the Vishnu Sahasra Nama bhashya, Shankara at the beginning, even before the actual names start, gives several verses that bring out Hari-Hara and Trimurti aikya concept. Amidst these is a verse from the Vishnupuranam:
त्वया यदभयं दत्तं तद्दत्तमखिलं मया ।
मत्तोऽविभिन्नमात्मानं द्रष्टुमर्हसि शङ्कर ॥ ५,३३.४७ ॥
योहं स त्वं जगच्चेदं सदेवासुरमानुषम् ।
मत्तो नान्यदशेषं यत्तत्त्वञ्ज्ञातुमिहार्हसि ॥ ५,३३.४८ ॥
अविद्यामोहितात्मानः पुरुषा भिन्नदर्शिनः ।
These verses occur in the context of the Banasura vadha episode narrated in the VP. At the end the Lord Vishnu addresses Lord Shiva with the above words: The boon of fearlessness that you gave to Banasura is given by Me. (Hence) O Shankara, you aught to view me as non-different from you. I, you, this world consisting of devas, asuras, humans, is entirely non-different from me. Know this to be the Truth. However, people deluded by avidya, ignorance, comprehend difference (between You and Me and the entire creation).
[After these lines cited by Shankara, occur these lines in the VP:
वदन्ति भेदं पश्यन्ति चावयोरन्तरं हर ॥ ५,३३.४९ ॥
प्रसन्नोऽहं गमिष्यामि त्वं गच्छ वृषभध्वज ॥ ५,३३.५०
People talk of and also view difference between us, O Hara. I am pleased and shall move on. You, O Vrshabhadhvaja (Shiva), too depart.]
For the segment मत्तोऽविभिन्नमात्मानं द्रष्टुमर्हसि शङ्कर ॥ ५,३३.४७ ॥ cited by Shankara, Sridhara Swamin just makes this comment: the word is to be parsed as: matto avibhinnamiti cchedah (not different from me).]
Shankara cites this verse just before the other verses from other sources in the VSN bhashya. Some of these other verses are:
Two seminal verses from the Bhaviṣyottara purāṇa in the introduction to the VSN:
Maheśvara (Śiva) says:
विष्णोरन्यं तु पश्यन्ति ये मां ब्रह्माणमेव वा ।
कुतर्कमतयो मूढाः पच्यन्ते नरकेष्वधः ॥
[Those fools who, devoid of proper thinking, consider Me and Brahmā as different from Viṣṇu, will be baked in the lowly hells.] This idea is reflected in a famous Tamil saying: ariyum aranum onnu, ariyadavar vaayile mannu.
ये च मूढा दुरात्मानो भिन्नं पश्यन्ति मां हरेः ।
ब्रह्माणं च ततस्तस्माद् ब्रह्महत्यासमं त्वघम् ॥
[Those fools, wicked ones, by seeing Me and Brahmā as different from Hari are committing the heinous sin of brahmahatyā.]
One can recall a similar verse in the Śrīmadbhāgavatam (Dakṣayajña section) as said by Viṣṇu: such jiva-s will not attain liberation.
Clearly, such verses of the scripture are never a favorite of non-advaitins.
Another verse, in the same genre, cited here by Shankara is:
Harivamśa verses, spoken by Maheśvara (Śiva) to Vishnu:
अहं त्वं सर्वग देव त्वमेवाहं जनार्दन ।
आवयोरन्तरं नास्ति शब्दैरर्थैर्जगत्त्रये ॥ (3.88.60)
[O, the all-pervading one, I am Thee, and Thou are me alone. There is no difference between the two of us either by word or meaning in all the three worlds.]
One can appreciate the similarity of expression by Veda Vyasa in the VP verse cited above: वदन्ति भेदं पश्यन्ति चावयोरन्तरं हर ॥ ५,३३.४९ ॥
Another instance of the VP expressing non-difference is:
श्रीपराशर उवाच
अविकाराय शुद्धाय नित्याय परमात्मने ।
सदैकरूपरूपाय विष्णवे सर्वजिष्णवे ॥ १,२.१ ॥
नमो हिरण्यगर्भाय हरये शङ्कराय च ।
This is a stuti of Brahman, .......Prostrations to Hiranyagarbha, Hari and Shankara.
Sridhara Swamin comments: ब्रह्मादित्रिमूर्तिरूपेण प्रणमति हिरण्यगर्भादिरूपाय तैः रूपैः सर्गस्थित्यन्तकारिणे वासुदेवाय नमः | [Vasudeva, by his three forms Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, performs the cosmic acts of creation, etc.] Sridhara swamin, in the Bhagavatam commentary (2.10.4o, 42,43) too, has used a similar expression to say that the trimurtis are only three forms of the same Brahman:
ब्रह्मरूपेण स्रष्टृत्वमुक्त्वा विष्णुरूपेण पालकत्वमाह ।.....रुद्ररूपेण संहर्तृत्वमाह ..। [After having stated the creatorship as Brahmā, the sustainership as vishnu is being stated.]
This is in perfect tune with what Shankara has commented in the VSN bhashya:
Further in the same stuti in the VP we find:
ज्ञानस्वरूपमत्यन्तनिर्मलं परमार्थतः ।
तमेवार्थस्वरूपेण भ्रान्तिदर्शनतः स्थितम् ॥ १,२.६ ॥
In Absolute terms, Brahman is Pure Consciousness, absolutely uncontaminated. This very Absolute Entity is, owing to delusion, bhranti, seen as the experienced, observed, world.
Sridhara Swamin says here: अर्थस्वरूपेण दृश्यरूपेण द्रष्टृजीवभ्रान्तिज्ञानेन स्थितम्, प्रतीतम् | [to the observer jiva, owing to his erroneous perception, (the Absolute (nirguna) Brahman stated above) is appearing, comprehended by, as the entire world of objects.]
One can once again see the parallel here between the verse of the VP cited at the beginning: अविद्यामोहितात्मानः पुरुषा भिन्नदर्शिनः । VP 4.33.49 [People see difference owing to delusion due to ignorance.]
It is the Drg-drshya viveka is eminently taught in the VP.
Thus, the VP, Sridhara Swamin has stated at the beginning, is a text that teaches Advaita. He has said: By being exposed to the repeated instances of the non-difference across the jagat jivatma and Paramatma, this Purana is the most ideal place for a seeker of liberation.
The bheda between Hari-Hara, Trimurtis, and the created world, is censured by the VP as caused by avidya, bhranti. It is rather ironical that the Yoga Vasishtha, the Suta samhita and the Kashikhanda of the Skanda purana are grouped as heretic works, (avaidikatrayaM j~nAnaM vAsiShThaM sUtasamhitA | kAshIkhaNDaM parityAjyaM vaidikasya virodhataH ||) not worthy of even being touched, by the Vaishnavas, while the VP, held as the foremost among the so-called 'sattva puranas' ('Puranaratnam'), is conveying the primary message that is no different from those black-listed works.
Sridhara Swami's invocation to the Srimadbhagavatam commentary:
माधवोमाधवावीशौ सर्वसिद्धिविधायिनौ। वन्दे परस्परात्मानौ परस्परनुतिप्रियौ॥
I bow to Mādhava and Umādhava (Shiva) who are both 'Isha-s' Supreme
Lords. They are capable of bestowing all accomplishments (to their
devotees). They are both the selves of each other and both love to
engage in the stuti of each other.
Thus the Veda, Veda Vyasa, Shankara, Sureshwara (in the vartika has explicitly said: One Ishwara is spoken of by names such as Hari, Brahma and Pinaki), Anandagiri, Amalananda (who authenticated the Prapanchasara as that of Shankara), down to the present day advaitins - all vedantins denounce the Hari-Hara bheda and Trimurti bheda. Theological schools outside the purview of Vedanta cannot survive if this Vedic truth is admitted. Hence they stoke animosity among the followers of sanatana dharma by denigrating Shiva.
V Subrahmanian
Dear Subbuji,
There is also a verse from an ancient text, very commonly cited around Uttar pradesh, which says that differentiating between Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu, is considered to be a great misdemeanor. Years ago I heard that verse, but unfortunately I forgot the verse. If you are aware of it. I would request you kindly to share that.
ते नर करहिं कल्प भर, घोर नरक मंह वास. [रामचरित मानस - लंकाकांड - दोहा २].
राम जी के सागर पर सेतु बनाने से पहले रामजी कहते हैं की
जो राम भक्त हैं और शिव का द्रोह करते हैं अथवा शिव भक्त हैं राम का द्रोह करते हैं ऐसे नर कल्प भर घोर नरक में वास करते हैं.
Bhaviṣyottara purāṇa :
Maheśvara (Śiva) says:
विष्णोरन्यं तु पश्यन्ति ये मां ब्रह्माणमेव वा ।
कुतर्कमतयो मूढाः पच्यन्ते नरकेष्वधः ॥
[Those fools who, devoid of proper thinking, consider Me and Brahmā as different from Viṣṇu, will be baked in the lowly hells.] This idea is reflected in a famous Tamil saying: ariyum aranum onnu, ariyadavar vaayile mannu.
ये च मूढा दुरात्मानो भिन्नं पश्यन्ति मां हरेः ।
ब्रह्माणं च ततस्तस्माद् ब्रह्महत्यासमं त्वघम् ॥
[Those fools, wicked ones, by seeing Me and Brahmā as different from Hari are committing the heinous sin of brahmahatyā.]
One can recall a similar verse in the Śrīmadbhāgavatam (Dakṣayajña section) as said by Viṣṇu: such jiva-s will not attain liberation.
regards
subbu
सोमनन्दिन्
श्रीकृष्ण उवाच ।।
अहं सुदर्शनं शंभुस्तेजसा च वयं समाः ।।
ब्रह्मा स्रष्टा च योगेन नास्माभिस्तेजसा समः ।।१६।।
~ ब्रह्मवैवर्तपुराणम्/खण्डः ४ (श्रीकृष्णजन्मखण्डः)/अध्यायः ०३६