Kai's Power Tools 3 and Extensis PhotoTools 3
fkhattab
KPT Classic worked fine KPT 3: The spheroid designer and Texture explorer freeze adobe 7, after performing the task.
Operating system is Windows XP pro.
Would appreciate if someone has a solution for KPT 3 freezing adobe after it performs the filter.
Regarding Extensis PhotoTools, initially it wouldn't install because it is searching for photoshp.exe, and the exe file for version 7 is photoshop.exe, so I renamed the exe file to photoshp.exe and it installed fine and functioning OK, all in the letter "O"
Look forward to a workaround for KPT 3
Thank you
Farid Khattab
fkhattab
Quote Hello
The quickest way to get back control is to either
CTRL SHIFT X and then ESC
or
click on the top of the tool pallette then CTRL M then ESC.
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Mike Engles
Thank you mike
Farid Khattab
fkhattab
Thank you
Farid Khattab
mike engles
It also worked fine in Photoshops 4,5,5.5 and 6.
Adobe must have changed something,for it to not work in 7.
A unintended consequence of the improvements made to 7?
They say that there is a fault in KPT 3 that only comes to light using Photoshop7.
The Interform filter is the only one that does not lock up Photoshop 7
Mike Engles
Bonnie Shaw
Carol Steele
using a keyboard shortcut - see the FAQ's or do a search on KTP3 here in
this forum.
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Carol
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ctbarker32
When will Adobe have a proper fix for this problem? If companies drop support for third party products they need to explicitly say so in their sales lit. A customer should not be surprised by a drop in feature after purchase. It's somewhat akin to a car manufacturer deciding to leave out brakes and not mentioning it until the hapless customer goes to stop the car and discovers this "feature" while frantically trying to stop the car! All software manufacturers need to be more proactive in their customer diligence if they expect us to keep throwing dollars at upgrades.
-CB
Robert Barnett
supported by the maker's of the package? Seems to me you should be
complaining to Corel. They need to update the package if everyone thinks its
so great and important to have.
Robert
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Laws are to protect the common man. But, they take a crook to interpret
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Carol Steele
What makes you think it wasn't?? Things move on and KTP3 hasn't (unless you
are using v5 or v7). Sometimes older software just won't function properly
with software which is 7 years newer - for instance Photoshop 7 just won't
function with Win95. Rather than blame Adobe, try blaming Corel who insist
that you purchase a complete new version of KPT7, no upgrades are available.
ctbarker32
Fact: KPT3 works with every version of Photoshop except 7. That seems to indicate a change in P7. Doesn't sound like its KPT3's fault per se.
Maybe KPT3 is a broken plugin by design. Maybe you hate it, etc. I don't care. KPT3 was easily the most widely distributed/used Photoshop plugin for years. Again, you might hate it, etc but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people owned it and may have used it. Some like myself may still use it. I don't recall a statement by Adobe about a radical redesign of the plugin architecture for P7? If there was, please give me the URL. Was the dropped support for KPT3 listed in the Readme? Again, if it was found in Beta testing why not at least let people know? Selective disclosure doesn't cut it.
Software programmers create workarounds for "broken code" all the time. The more famous examples are MS creating bug fixes for logic problems in Intel chips. Everyone may blame Intel for the original bug but MS doesn't tell everyone to replace their chips (except in the most extreme examples). Instead, MS tests for that version of chip and inserts workaround code. Keep the customer happy.
You state that P7 doesn't run on Win95. That's fine because Adobe lists their system requirements on the box and in their literature and it specifically excludes Win95. Fine, caveat emptor. In the case of old plugins, I see no exclusionary statements on the box or in their lit that says that old plugins will no longer be supported. If they had, I would agree that I have been warned and can make my purchase decision accordingly. It seems that many have been brow beaten into accepting arbitrary program changes and just accept it. I do not accept this without explanation from Adobe.
Finally, to my knowledge later versions of KPT do not provide updates in code or functionaltiy of KPT3. Each successive KPT has been essentially an entirely different product.
-CB
mike engles
In this case I could not agree with you more, but I will be surprised if anything will be done.
Imageready 7 works fine apparently . In Photoshop 7 the cure if you do not already know is,
CTRL SHIFT X and then ESC or click on the top of the toolbar, then CTRL M then ESC.
This will unlock Photoshop 7.
Even more clunky then the clunky KPT 3
Mike Engles
Carol Steele
You mean that a new version of Photoshop should include a huge amount of
extra coding just to allow it to work with a seven year old plug-in????? No
doubt some of that coding might wreck some of the new features of Photoshop
or eliminate some of the new coding such that it slows this version down to
a crawl - JUST SO KTP3 CAN WORK?????
A huge amount of work has gone on 'under the bonnet' with PS7 - such that it
actually runs quicker than PS6. I too was disappointed that KTP3 no longer
functioned properly without using the work rounds mentioned by Mike - but I
realised that as software progresses, it cannot be completely compatible
with older products. Only a year before KTP3 was released, we were all
working from Win3.x - so what you are saying is that PS7 should be
completely backwards compatible with Win3.x????
I suppose I'm just grateful that things have moved on with the important
software. After all, KTP3 is just a plugin - if Corel were interested in
pleasing its customers it is THEY who should be producing the fix, not
Adobe.
Robert Barnett
Fact 1:
Even if Adobe changed the plug-in specification they have a right too and it
is up to plug-in makers to update their products.
Fact 2:
As far as Corel is concerned KPT 3 is a dead product. You want updates so it
works with PS 7 complain to Corel.
Fact 3:
KPT 3 doesn't work right with PS 7. Get over it!
Chris Cox
The bug is in the KPT UI code. (One of our engineers is still trying to figure out what they did wrong - which ain't easy without the plugin source code.)
ctbarker32
Anyway, you speak like you are intimately familiar with the coding of Photoshop 7? You said: "some of that coding might wreck some of the new features of Photoshop or eliminate some of the new coding". Do you work for Adobe? If so, could you please explain what the decision process was that led to dropping support for KPT3 after it worked in every other version of Photoshop? Also, you and Robert seem to harp on Corel and seem to have some animosity towards Corel? That could be explained if you both work for Adobe? I don't understand your enthusiasm for defending Adobe while not really addressing my basic premise that Adobe has failed by not explaining in advance to potential purchasers that KPT3 will no longer be supported.
If neither of you write code or work for Adobe, then how the h*ll do you know that supporting KPT3 undermines the integrity and speed gains of P7? It's pure conjecture unless you are privy to information and are not being forthcoming?
While thinking about this and doing a little more testing, it appears that the KPT3 plugin code runs just fine as an action. I have the KPT3 action pack installed and my limited testing indicates that the KPT3 code when run as an action runs just fine. So much for the theory that KPT3 "undermines" P7? It appears (based on empirical evidence not wilda#@ coding theory) that the KPT3 "hang" is a UI code problem. I can't believe that a UI change to support KPT3 is equivalent to sending a man to the moon and "undermines" all the enhancements to P7?
Why can't Adobe address the issues involved so we don't have "amateur coders" making wild guesses as to the viability of a fix?
-CB
ctbarker32
You say Adobe has addressed this before? How about a URL for the uninformed? I read the FAQ which I belive was from Carol and saw no Adobe response. I just did a search on the Photoshop Knowledge Base using keyword "KPT3" and it returned no documents.
Finally, you state that the bug is in KPT3's UI code. Fine, we all know it is an orphaned product (with a large audience). Adobe, essentially accepted the responsibility of supporting KPT3 with UI bugs and all since KPT3 has worked with all versions of Photoshop up to P7. By continuing to support KPT3 all these years it has gone from being a bug to a Photoshop feature! KPT3 had the UI bug back in P4, P5, P6. It would appear KPT3 had the "UI bug" as much with P4 as with P7. Only with P7 does Adobe suddenly change it's mind (or gets more strict with the plugin spec) on the bug?
Anyway, reading between the lines it appears that Adobe is looking at the problem and I anticipate a fix in the near future. As a paying customer, I will be a happy camper! That's all I was asking for.
Thank you.
-CB
Robert Barnett
That alone is enough for me.
Robert Barnett
nothing to do with Adobe support. It was just luck.
I also, wouldn't count on a fix if it requires Adobe to change something
that is going to break other up to date, supported plug-ins especially if it
turns out to be something that was caused by KPT's crappy funky interface.
mike engles
It seems obvious that ImageReady 7 is a lame product as were Photoshops 4,5 and 6. So is Illustrator 10. They somehow managed to cope with the KPT UI problem.
Mike Engles
Michael Neal
Chris Cox
We have now confirmed the nature of the bug, and it is an obvious bug in the KPT code. We're still not sure how it worked in previous versions.