Just got Photoshop CS and if you select a portion of an image
using the Magic Wand tool while the image is zoomed in more than
100% Photoshop locks up and quits.
My system:
Dual P4 Xeon 2.4 GHz CPU
2 Gig's RAM
Windows 2000 Server edition (with all the latest updates)
take care,
Zareh
Does the whole computer lock up or just Photoshop?
Bob
When I use the magic wand and do several selections, especially finner selections, the program crashes.
I attributed this to a very buggy PS-CS release which seems to run very slow, like it is debating over every command. However, after my initial install which crashed allot, I did a complete reformat and reinstall of everything, updating drivers, and cutting out the unnecessary applications.
Still it crashes and is extremly slow, expecially compared to PS7. The magic wand crashes so often that I save before using the tool.
My System Spec:
WinXP sp1 (all updates-Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600)
Dual Xeon 2.66 with HT enabled
Ram-1Gb
Gainward Geforce 4 Ti4600 with dual monitors driver 53.03 w/128mb
Hard drive: Adaptec Raid 0 - two HDs totalling 240/Gb
Plextor PX-708a (DVD Burner)
Plextor PX-W4824A (CD Burner)
Teac DV-516E (DVD-Rom)
Floppy
Epson Stylus Photo 960
Epson Perfection 2450 Photo
Microsoft wireless Elite Keyboard/Mouse Combo (driver version 5)
I will appreciate any help
Mark
Bob
This is reproducible, for me:
1) Create new image, 14px WIDE by 400px HIGH, filled with the background color, 72 px/in resolution.
2) Select paint bucket tool (tolerance level doesn't matter).
3) Click anywhere in the image to replace the background color with the foreground color.
4) Error occurs: "Could not complete your request because of a program error."
5) Click the OK button, but Photoshop remains locked up. The application has to be killed via the Task Manager.
* ** HOWEVER, this error does NOT occur if I create the initial image at 400px WIDE by 14px HIGH, then proceed with the paint bucket tool. That works just fine. ***
So that's what I'm doing - creating the 400x14 image, then rotating it 90 degrees.
Seems to me like a Photoshop bug and not a system error.
Photoshop 7.0
WinXP Pro, SP1, all updates applied
Dual 2.6GHz Xeon, HT enabled
1GB memory
NVIDIA Quadro2 EX
40GB IBM system drive, 7200rpm IDE
200GB WD scratch/data drive, 7200rpm IDE
It occurs when creating a brand new image (no file opened), as well as with existing .psd files.
- No file type is necessary.
- Important image size information was posted above.
- It happened at 100% and 200% zoom (only two levels I tried).
- The paint bucket settings are as follows:
Fill: Foreground
Mode: Normal
Opacity: 100%
Tolerance: 10
Anti-Alias checked
Contiguous: checked
All Layers: not checked
As Bob stated, it could be associated with the use of dual Xeons. But it seems like Adobe would still want to figure out a solution to the problem, right?
The lock up is not consistent with a procedure for me, except that it does center around the magic wand tool. I can be zoomed in or zoomed out, and the with different file sizes. I have seen this while working on a standard wallpaper dimensions as well as a photo at 4096x6368.
I have used many of adobe's products, including PS7 which had no problems for me. It would seem odd that PS has issues with dual systems? Except for "Zareh" and "MarkATS" who has not yet posted thier Video Sard specs (hint!) we are also using nVidia. I have the latest drivers that I recently updated hoping to fix this problem.
Not to distract from the main issue here, but just in case it is related, I still feel PS-CS is significant slower than PS-7.
Except for "Zareh" and "MarkATS" who has not yet posted thier Video Sard
specs (hint!) we are also using nVidia
Mark works for adobe.
I do not work for Adobe. :)
I click the okay, the program freezes for a bit and then I get the winXP dialog to send an error report to M$ that says:
"Adobe Photoshop CS has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience."
Then the program finishes its crash.
I, as I have said, saved my file before it crahes by using the magic wand because it is that predictable.
Its funny to me how when one thing is fixes, it can provide solutions across the board, and who knows, maybe will fix my lost in speed performance.
Okay, my hope are getting high, need to slow my roll.
Are you telling me that nobody at adobe has an nvidia video card? I know that nVidia maybe a small company, but I figure you would have heard of them.
On a more serious note, I did turn off Hardware Acceleration an the problem still persisted. I am using the latest referenced drivers, and while I had the previous driver, Photoshop still had the problem.
Are you telling me that nobody at adobe has an nvidia video card?
at this site, in the machines with dual xenons, all the video cards are ATI, so it's a matter of tracking one down.
Next things to try...
Disable the mmxcore.8bi plug-in
use msconfig to disable one of the processors
First thing, I removed the plugin mmxcore.8bx, and of course restart photoshop and there was no changes in the instability. So I but it back into the folder.
Since I wasn't sure how to disable one of the processors with MSconfig, I went ahead and tried removing only the MultiProcessor Support.8bx plugin from Photoshop and now it does not crash. It is still slow, but faster than crashing.
I of course tried it several times with the plugin back in, and then removed. Everytime the plugin was used, PS crashes, and when it was removed from the Photoshop folders, Photposhop was usuable.
I did not find the .8bi extension, but I figured it was the .8bx.
I had mentioned that both of my systems have problems, however, only my home system has the problem with Photoshop. My computer at work doesn't have the magic wand bug. Since the problems my work computers has is more with Illustrator's 3D filter, I should say my work computer is fine and concentrate on my home computer’s problem with Photoshop. Sorry. (It does however does still seem sluggish compared to PS7, but it works and I can deal with that.)
Maybe the Hyper Threading on my home system is the culprit? I will try turning it off when I get home.
We have a dual 2ghz xeon also with a Matrox Parhelia 256mb video card
She called Adobe today and he said she should remove the mmx thing and one or two others. Then that seemed to stabilize it but he said that only allowed PSCS to use one of the dual processors.
He said that one of the processors must be defective. I told that to my vendor and she said get new drivers for my video card. Why can't they make pscs idiot proof or at least warn us of the problems?
I did turn it back on and the problems return.
So guessing would point to Photoshop's incompatibilty with hyper threading. Turning off hyper threading everytime I use Photoshop is not an option. Other programs benefit from Hyper Threading so my default should still be on. Besides, PS7 worked, and all my older Adobe products worked great on this machine untill CS.
Photoshop's incompatibilty with hyper threading.
I have a single p4 (2.8C) with hyperthreading and it's working. It's more like multi-threading with the dual xeons that's a problem. Just clarifying the terms. Please carry on! :)
The problem is only on the dual processor machine that has hyper threading.
Just clarifing the entire thread. :)
John - we can't predict every possible driver conflict or hardware defect that you'll see. We can only warn you about problems that we know about, and we try to fix all of those before we ship the product.
Well, I have not ignored that possibility. However, the problem is still there, and it is not only on my machines, there are others that are posting the same problem with dual processor systems.
This has already been mentioned in the thread.
However, I have made sure that I have all the latest drivers, and all my programs work, including PS7. The only exception is Photoshop CS.
What sort of hardware problem should I look for that only effects the Magic Wand in PS-CS?
I understand that we are trying help each other, but lets not act like I am here blinding pointing a finger at Adobe or trying to get a solution to a problem on only my machine. There is a problem and it is not only on my machine.
I have experienced the same "Could not complete your request because of a program error" many times since upgrading from PS 6 to CS. It has always been with the magic wand tool, with many different images at different zoom levels, etc. I even tried a fresh install of the operating system and PS with no luck. See system specs below for some similarities:
IWill DP533 with Intel 7505 chipset
Dual 2.4GHz Xeon CPU's with 533FSB
1GB PC2100 DDR RAM
PNY nVidia GeforceFX 5600 256MB Video Card
Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard
All drivers are latest signed versions. It sounds like hyperthreading in a dual CPU configuration (4 virtual CPU's) might be a problem. I will try to verify what others have posted regarding this and let everyone know.
We're continuing to try and reproduce the problem you're seeing but haven't had any success thus far on our Dual Xeon systems. Could those of your experiecing the problem post your system info as displayed in Photoshop (Help | System Info). Please remove your serial # info before posting.
Also, if others have specific steps they use to reproduce this problem, please provide them. Please also let us know if the problem is resloved by removing the Multiprocessor Support plugin.
--Stephanie
We haven't seen this behavior in house. Could you start a new thread for this issue so we can collect that data seperately?
--steph
Anything new on the slow down because of thumbnail display on large tiffs?
Bob
If you can't find them, post back here and I'll start a new thread.
Bob
The steps I use to reproduce the problem are as follows:
1) Run PS
2) Open a bmp file (i've tried more than one with similar results)
3) Select magic wand tool with following options:
New Selection
Tolerance: 32
Anti-Aliased: Checked
Contiguous: Checked
Use All Layers: Unchecked
4) Click on area of bmp to select with tool
5) Hold left-shift key to add to existing selection
6) Click on other areas of bmp
7) Repeat steps 5-6 until error (Stop dialog saying "Could not complete your request because of a program error") occurs
The error does not always appear after the same number of selections and seems to change depending on the area selected and the file used, but the error eventually occurs every time. Sometimes I also get an Application Error from windows (Unhandled exception at 0x77f47a6d in Photoshop.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x00000000). I've tried to debug this (with Visual Studio) but without source code it's not terribly useful. I could provide a call stack trace if you need it, though.
Another thing I've noticed is that on the occasion that I DO NOT get an application error from windows, I can hit OK on the PS error dialog and then the magic wand action works fine. Very strange, indeed.
I disabled HyperThreading in the motherboard BIOS and the problem went away. This is not an acceptable solution in my book. Also, removing the Multiprocessor support plugin fixed the problem, but at a noticeable loss of performance.
I hope this helps. Please email me if I can provide any more information.
Here is my system info:
Adobe Photoshop Version: 8.0 (8.0x118)
Operating System: Windows XP
Version: 5.2
System architecture: Intel CPU Family:15, Model:2, Stepping:7 with MMX, SSE Integer, SSE FP, SSE2, HyperThreading
Processor speed: 2399 MHz
Built-in memory: 1023 MB
Free memory: 682 MB
Memory available to Photoshop: 933 MB
Memory used by Photoshop: 75 %
Image cache levels: 4
Use image cache for histograms: No
Serial number: xxx
Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop CS\
Temporary file path: C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\
Photoshop scratch has async I/O enabled
Scratch volume(s):
Startup, 34.5G, 24.8G free
Primary Plug-ins folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Photoshop CS\Plug-Ins\
Additional Plug-ins folder: not set
Installed plug-ins:
ADM 2.84pe69a 02.06.17-00:03:36h
ASDStrm 1.02x7 02.02.15-01:45:06h
Accented Edges 8.0
Acrobat TouchUp Image 8.0 (8.0x115)
Angled Strokes 8.0
Average 8.0 (8.0x115)
BMP 8.0 (8.0x115)
Bas Relief 8.0
Camera Raw 2.0
Chalk & Charcoal 8.0
Charcoal 8.0
Chrome 8.0
Cineon 8.0 (8.0x115)
Clouds 8.0 (8.0x115)
Color Halftone 8.0 (8.0x115)
Colored Pencil 8.0
CompuServe GIF 8.0 (8.0x115)
Conditional Mode Change 8.0 (8.0x115)
Contact Sheet II 8.0 (8.0x115)
Conté Crayon 8.0
Craquelure 8.0
Crop and Straighten Photos 8.0 (8.0x115)
Crop and Straighten Photos Filter 8.0 (8.0x115)
Crosshatch 8.0
Crystallize 8.0 (8.0x115)
Cutout 8.0
Dark Strokes 8.0
De-Interlace 8.0 (8.0x115)
Difference Clouds 8.0 (8.0x115)
Diffuse Glow 8.0
Displace 8.0 (8.0x115)
Dry Brush 8.0
Embed Watermark 1.70.19
Export Transparent Image 8.0 (8.0x115)
Extract 8.0 (8.0x115)
Extrude 8.0 (8.0x115)
FastCore Routines 8.0 (8.0x115)
Fibers 8.0 (8.0x115)
Film Grain 8.0
Filmstrip 8.0 (8.0x115)
Filter Gallery 8.0
Fit Image 8.0 (8.0x115)
Fresco 8.0
Generic EPS 8.0
Generic PDF 8.0 (8.0x115)
Glass 8.0
Glowing Edges 8.0
Grain 8.0
Graphic Pen 8.0
Halftone Pattern 8.0
Ink Outlines 8.0
Lens Blur 8.0
Lens Flare 8.0 (8.0x115)
Lighting Effects 8.0 (8.0x115)
Liquify 8.0
MMXCore Routines 8.0 (8.0x115)
Mezzotint 8.0 (8.0x115)
Mosaic Tiles 8.0
Multi-Page PDF to PSD 8.0 (8.0x115)
Multiprocessor Support 8.0 (8.0x115)
NTSC Colors 8.0 (8.0x115)
Neon Glow 8.0
Note Paper 8.0
Ocean Ripple 8.0
Online Services 8.0x100
PCX 8.0 (8.0x115)
PDF Image 8.0 (8.0x115)
PNG 8.0 (8.0x115)
PNG Icons 1.21x7 2001.12.14-1602h.21s
Paint Daubs 8.0
Palette Knife 8.0
Patchwork 8.0
Paths to Illustrator 8.0 (8.0x115)
Pattern Maker 8.0 (8.0x115)
Photo CD 8.0 (8.0x115)
Photocopy 8.0
Photomerge 8.0 (8.0x115)
PhotomergeCylmap 8.0 (8.0x115)
PhotomergeRender 8.0 (8.0x115)
PhotomergeUI 8.0 (8.0x115)
Picture Package 8.0 (8.0x115)
Picture Package Filter 8.0 (8.0x115)
Pinch 8.0 (8.0x115)
Pixar 8.0 (8.0x115)
Plaster 8.0
Plastic Wrap 8.0
Pointillize 8.0 (8.0x115)
Polar Coordinates 8.0 (8.0x115)
Poster Edges 8.0
Radial Blur 8.0 (8.0x115)
Read Watermark 1.70.19
Resize Image 8.0 (8.0x115)
Reticulation 8.0
Ripple 8.0 (8.0x115)
Rough Pastels 8.0
Save for Web 8.0
ScriptingSupport 8.0
Shear 8.0 (8.0x115)
Smart Blur 8.0 (8.0x115)
Smudge Stick 8.0
Solarize 8.0 (8.0x115)
Spatter 8.0
Spherize 8.0 (8.0x115)
Sponge 8.0
Sprayed Strokes 8.0
Stained Glass 8.0
Stamp 8.0
Sumi-e 8.0
Targa 8.0 (8.0x115)
Texturizer 8.0
Tiles 8.0 (8.0x115)
Torn Edges 8.0
Twain Acquire 8.0 (8.0x115)
Twain Select 8.0 (8.0x115)
Twirl 8.0 (8.0x115)
Underpainting 8.0
Variations 8.0 (8.0x115)
WIA Support 8.0 (8.0x115)
Water Paper 8.0
Watercolor 8.0
Wave 8.0 (8.0x115)
Web Photo Gallery 8.0 (8.0x115)
Wind 8.0 (8.0x115)
Wireless Bitmap 8.0 (8.0x115)
ZigZag 8.0 (8.0x115)
Installed TWAIN devices:
CanoScan N1220U
In either case, disabling hyperthreading or the mp plug-in will prevent the error.
As far as how many clicks, I have had the error show up very quickly (1-3 clicks) and then some longer click numbers, but I ususally did not count the number. So my experience is various, but it will always happen.
Just to reiterate what I did post before, with hyper threading disabled, there is no problem, and if the mp plugin is removed, again there is no problem.
I'm still not sure why it happens just with hyperthreading and not with just multiple processors.
Adobe Photoshop Version: 8.0 (8.0x118)
Operating System: Windows XP (build 2600.xpsp2.030422-1633 (SP1)
Version: 5.1 Service Pack 1
System architecture: Intel CPU Family:15, Model:2, Stepping:7 with MMX, SSE Integer, SSE FP, SSE2, HyperThreading
Processor speed: 2665 MHz
Built-in memory: 1023 MB
Free memory: 636 MB
Memory available to Photoshop: 932 MB
Memory used by Photoshop: 50 %
Image cache levels: 4
Use image cache for histograms: No
Serial number: Classified
Application folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS\
Temporary file path: C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\
Photoshop scratch has async I/O enabled
Scratch volume(s):
Startup, 223.5G, 139.4G free
Primary Plug-ins folder: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CS\Plug-Ins\
WIA-EPSON Perfection2450
EPSON TWAIN 5
k. just checking! good luck, dave
Admittedly I've not seen this on a dual P3 1.4GHz system, but I am having other bad crashes.
See "Repeatedly Hanging on Startup " post.
PSCS seems much, much more wobbly than 7.01 ever did.
A patch please, ASASP!
I still get crashes. They may not always bring PSCS down, but since they sometimes do, it sucks to be fearful of using a PS Tool.
As far as other programs crahsing with dual Xeons and Hyperthreading, I have not seen it untill CS. I agree with you Neil that CS is wobbly than PS7, However, I would say CS is "beta" compared to PS7. It is just so slow. Even saving and opening, or "building histograms" or whatever PS excuse comes up when something new comes up. I wonder if these problems also are because of Dual Xeons and Hyperthreading.
Its not like dual xeons or hyperthreading is new or an unexpected configuration.
Hate to butt in on this thread, but whatever was the final word on THIS THREAD? <http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@@.2ccf71d7/16>
You never came back to say if your Color prefs>advanced controls had dithering for conversions selected, and if not, how things come out when that option is selected...??
Did you get rid of the banding from large amounts of gaussian blur applied in 16 bit or not?
inquiring minds...