Re: You can't use Pagemaker in OSX Leopard.

[Myrna_...@adobeforums.com]

I have 2 G4 iMacs running 10.4.11 OS. The problem I am having is when using PageMaker 7.1 some letters appear to be sticking and or delaying and or repeating and it is not the KEYBOARDS I have no problem with any other program just PageMaker. This started a few weeks ago and it seems to be getting worst.

[Buko]

And what does this have to do with PM not working in Leopard?

The secret to getting help in a forum is placing your Question in a place people will find it and titling the thread you start in a manor so you will explain the problem. Start a new thread.

[mel_h...@adobeforums.com]

I dont know if anyone can help me or not. I am running pagemaker 6.5 on a G3 mac with system 9.2. everything was working fine this morning and then all of a sudden computer locked up and when I tried to open pagemaker it came back with an error message that it could not start "Rainbow Bridge" and CMS error:CMS Plug-in not found
any suggestions.

sdc...@yahoo.com

[Buko]

This has nothing to do with Pagemaker running in Leopard please start a new thread

[Bob_Ra...@adobeforums.com]

I am not clear ... does Pagemaker run on Leopard?

[Aandi_...@adobeforums.com]

>I am not clear ... does Pagemaker run on Leopard?

Sorry if the subject (message title) isn't clear. Can you suggest a
way we could improve it?

Aandi Inston

[Dave_S...@adobeforums.com]

Aandi,

I do believe you've responded to a spammer.

Dave

[Aandi_...@adobeforums.com]

I see you might be right. That would certainly explain the question.

Aandi Inston

[ha...@adobeforums.com]

You can add me to the die-hard Pagemaker users. I own InDesign and have made several attempts at switching over. I just like Pagemaker so much more. I now have a mac book pro that I would love to use pagemaker on. I would also like to upgrade my desktop (currently have G5 dual 1.8) Of course the Leopard operating system precludes me from using Pagemaker. But couldn't I go to ebay and buy Pagemaker 7 for the PC and run it with Parallels Desktop in Windows XP or Vista? Is it the Intel processor that won't allow me to use Pagemaker or just Leopard?

[boblevine]

Unsupported under Vista so you'd need to go to XP.

Bob

[ha...@adobeforums.com]

But it will work on my Mac using XP? I don't care which operating system I use. I just want to use it on my Intel Mac.

[boblevine]

It should...but I can't believe you'd go to all that trouble...and cost.
I'd really recommend you get a one month subscription to Lynda.com and
watch the InDesign training videos.

Bob

[Buko]

I go back to Pagemaker and shudder now at how bad it is compared to ID. and the longer you put it off the harder it will be to learn.

[Debra_...@adobeforums.com]

Hello L & G,

I need clarity, PLEASE!!! I just bought a Macbookpro about 1 month ago, and it's running Leopard 10.5.5. I still own my PC, running Windows XP. I chose to buy a MAC instead of another PC with Vista. I used MAC back in 1990, AND NOT SINCE, so I'm GREEN!!! Most of my stuff was done in Pagemaker 7.0. I just called Adobe YESTERDAY, and they're sending me discs of the MAC version of Pagemaker 7.0.2. Are you telling me that I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN AND RUN MY FILES ON MY MAC??? Because they told me EVERYTHING WOULD BE FINE, JUST LIKE ON MY PC!! Is Pagemaker a DINOSAUR now???

[boblevine]

Not only is PM a dinosaur, it's been one for many years.

You cannot load or run PM on an Intel Mac. Your only way to run PM on a
modern computer is to do so using Windows and even then Vista can be a
problem.

Time to move to InDesign.

Bob

[Buko]

If you want to run Pagemaker on a Mac it is best to buy an old Mac that boots OS 9. You can buy these very cheap now.

[Buko]

March 24, 2001, Apple released Mac OS X

May of 2002 steve jobs pronounced OS 9 dead.

[Brutus_...@adobeforums.com]

PLZ HLP!!!

I'M TRYING DESPERATELY TO GET MY CLAY TABLETS TO WORK ON A NEW MAC PRO. I DON'T GET ANY RESPONSE FROM THE STYLUS, NO MATTER WHAT I DO. AND THE CUNEIFORM PICTOGRAPH DICTIONARY WON'T RECOGNIZE THE NEW HITTITE LOGOGRAPHS. I'VE BEEN USING CLAY TABLETS FOR OVER 30,000 YEARS, AND I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH THEM. THE TECHNOLOGY IS STONE SIMPLE AND RELIABLE. I'VE GOT SEVERAL MILLION DOCUMENTS ETCHED IN CLAY THAT ARE NOW OBSOLETE. WHY DID THE MARKETING PEOPLE HAVE TO ABANDON A TRIED-AND-TRUE TECHNOLOGY FOR ALL THIS NEW FANCY-PANTS STUFF? I'M SURE IRON AGE TECHNOLOGY IS FINE FOR SOME FOLKS, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE BRONZE AGE. THANX ALOT, ADOBE!

[Buko]

Can you re-chisel your post in upper/lower case so its easier to read?

[Brutus_...@adobeforums.com]

SILLY BUKO! CUNEIFORM DON'T GOT NO STINKIN LOWER CASE CHARACTERS! AND WHAT KIND OF PROPER RANT IS TYPED IN MIXED CASE? ALL CAPS REALLY GETS THE POINT ACROSS!!! ;-)

[Buko]

Silly Me!

[Michael...@adobeforums.com]

Brutus, you're nuts: N.V.T.S. Nuts!

[Church_V...@adobeforums.com]

Pagemaker 7.0 runs in Classic on my G5 running OS 10.3.9. I save the files as Pagemaker 6.5 so that the staff at church can open them in PM 6.5 on their PC. I want to upgrade my Mac OS to get later versions of Safari, Iphoto, etc. If I switch to InDesign, can I save files with the extension .p65? I don't think the Church is going to upgrade anything any time soon.

[boblevine]

No. InDesign cannot save PM files, it can only open them.

Bob

[Buko]

If you want to keep using Pagemaker it is best to keep an older machine.

[kur...@adobeforums.com]

Is not it possible to run Windows Pagemaker in Mactel OS X Wine?
You see my friend who designs books from time to time wants to return to Pagemaker from InDesign. He uses Leo.

I started to use Pagemaker 4 in 1996 on Mac LC III. Since 1998 I use Pagemaker 6< on Windows. I prefer Pagemaker over Quark, because I have learned how to script PageMaker directly and through DDE and its ability to color and preview transparent monochrome bitmaps.

E.g. I have wrote several small <50 line scripts which do impose me a book or magazine which ever way I want to in a few seconds.

For example if somebody asks me to prepare for a prepress a book designed in Ms Word :-P, whith lots of color charts I do not redesign it. Instead I make a PDF, then separate colors in Photoshop, save each pure color like Red, Green, Pink and Black in the number they are present in document in its own monochrom bitmap, place tiffs in Pagemaker, color them in their respective colors and impose.

I have even wrote a script which automates also a footnotesin PM6< - the script searches for all specially colored footnote characters on some page, finds corresponding footnote among others in footnotes story, measures the length of footnote(s) in lines, counts the lines available on page, shrinks the text block, puts part or whole footnote(s) in a free space and formats them - first with line above, others without. If footnote does not fit, puts part of it on the next page with other footnotes if present.

[Jay Chevako]

kur...@adobeforums.com wrote:
> Is not it possible to run Windows Pagemaker in Mactel OS X Wine?
> You see my friend who designs books from time to time wants to return to Pagemaker from InDesign. He uses Leo.
>

You could try using parallels or Fusion (I'm not sure about the name) to
run windows on the mac, But I'm not sure if pagemaker will work on it.
>
> … then separate colors in Photoshop, save each pure color like Red, Green, Pink and Black in the number they are present in document in its own monochrom bitmap, place tiffs in Pagemaker, color them in their respective colors and impose.
>
That is a serious amount of work for a chart. Why not just convert it to
CMYK or are you printing in spot colors?

Jay

[Buko]

All I can say is good luck.

Your workflow sounds terrible and a mess.

With all the features of ID why anyone would want to use such old software is beyond me. PM was great in its day but really is not the best choice. Also keep in mind that Even PM will have problems on the new Windows machines.

And Wine is for Linux not Mac.

[kur...@adobeforums.com]

"That is a serious amount of work for a chart. Why not just convert it to CMYK or are you printing in spot colors?"

Yeah, and what if there are hundreds of pages and thousands of charts?
Just converting to CMYK leaves black (text) into all 4 process colors!
I record Photoshop action which proceses each color in their number to separate file. All they are saved each in its folder named by color, the file names are by page number. Then macro puts them into PM and colors.
Thus the document is small, it prints very fast and print file is extremely small. E.g. I print color books on B3 inkjet printer with continuous ink supply system designed by me. The print file of 912 B5 page two color book imposed on 330x550mm sheets has only 220Mb prn file for odd or even pages. The print file goes to printer in 10 seconds after a doubleclick. Then leaves computer almost idle and free for other work.

"Your workflow sounds terrible and a mess."

Trust me, it just sounds like mess. If you saw me at work you would see I perform seemingly tremendous work unbelievably quickly. Much faster then redesign. Photoshop automation and PM automation does the work. And with todays super fast computers you even do not have to wait hours to reporocess everything in case of mistake.

"Also keep in mind that Even PM will have problems on the new Windows machines."

Yes, sure.

* ** I installed first PageMaker 6.5 than 7.0 on OSX 10.5 CrossOver (a polished version of Wine ).
Both start and work very quickly. On 2GHz C2D Mac PM seems quicker than on 2....@3.54GHz C2D XP. Version 7.0 complains about plugins of templates and pictures. Picture plugin cannot be removed - then PM7 do not start at all. It leaves it with one error message which can be bypassed with spacebar press.

I did not install them. Instead I copied installed PM folders from my Windows machine to Macintosh laptop into Aplications folder, chose run command in Crossover and pressed the save to programs menu button. Then pasted program icon found in Google into its alias and drag alias on to dock.
The friend seemed pretty happy. Especially since many of his old documents were designed in Windows PM.

[Jay Chevako]

kur...@adobeforums.com wrote:
> "That is a serious amount of work for a chart. Why not just convert it to CMYK or are you printing in spot colors?"
>
> Yeah, and what if there are hundreds of pages and thousands of charts?

> "Just" converting to CMYK from MS Word leaves black (text) into all 4 process colors! The people at printing machine will kill you for the job. Because it is almost impossible to align 4 colors if they are present on all page in the text.
>
In Photoshop go to edit /convert to profile/ custom cmyk and under
separation options check maximum GCR, this will convert your black to K
only.

Depending on the client and the chart I will often recreate the chart in
illustrtator. This is not the fast and dirty method, but I often get
barely legible charts from clients, and I don't like publishing them
that way.

Glad You got the emulation working. I would look into indesigns
scripting to see if it would work a bit better for your needs.
Jay

[Buko]

as far as the 4 color text. when you bring the MS text into ID its color is auto which is an RGB black. just delete auto from the swatches and replace with black. ID can convert all the other diagrams on the fly.

[Jay Chevako]

Buko, with files of these type, the charts are almost always placed jpgs
including the text.
Jay

[Buko]

OK I thought he was talking about the type in the word file.

if there is black in the graphics and they are not photos them GCR Max is needed.

[kur...@adobeforums.com]

In Photoshop go to edit /convert to profile/ custom cmyk and under separation
options check maximum GCR, this will convert your black to K only.

Hurray! It works! I opened a PDF text file, added red circle (for testing), drew gray dot on it and converted profile to:
Custom CMYK...
Black Generation: Maximum
Black Ink Limit 100%
All text became 100K!
The gray shades inside the antialised dot became percantage of black in the center and mix of magenta, yelow and black in margins.

[Jay Chevako]

kur...@adobeforums.com wrote:
> Hurray! It works! I opened a PDF text file, added a red circle (for testing), drew gray dot on it and converted profile to:
>
I'm glad that worked for you. I am still a little confused on your work
flow. Are you rasterizing the text of the pdf file in Photoshop?
Jay