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Matt Miller

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May 21, 2003, 1:48:39 AM5/21/03
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We have been using TrueType versions of some fonts and we now need to change to the Type 1 versions (at the request of the client/printer).

We deleted the TrueType versions and installed the Type 1 versions. InDesign shows the font in the Character palette and the characters display properly on screen. However, when we print (to a non-postscript laser) it prints the characters in the default font (Arial).

We have tried reinstalling the fonts.

When I preflight the document the fonts are ok and the correct Type 1 versions are listed.

Using InDesign 2.0.2 & Windows 2000 Pro.

Anybody know how to solve this problem?

Thanks in advance,

Matt Miller

Thomas Phinney

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May 21, 2003, 4:02:32 AM5/21/03
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What particular fonts are we talking about? What exact make and model of printer?

Probably the first thing I'd check is to see if there was an updated printer driver available from the manufacturer.

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Matt Miller

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May 21, 2003, 8:09:38 AM5/21/03
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Thomas,

The fonts in question are the Euclid family, in particular Euclid Symbol regular. We got the Type 1 versions of the fonts from a MathType 5 CD.

I'm not at work currently but from memory I think the printer is a Canon LBP-660.

The fonts have printed on the same printer from PageMaker in the past, however we have since had to reinstall Windows and I had forgotten to replace the TrueType versions with Type 1.

The TrueType versions had been printing fine from InDesign.

My first instinct was that the problem was due to me changing the font versions after creating the document, but now that I think about it it's possible we've never used the Type 1 versions in InDesign. Should there be any application-specific problems, or if the font works from one should it work from all?

I'll check to see if there is an updated printer driver when I'm back at work tomorrow.

Thanks,
Matt

Matt Miller

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May 21, 2003, 6:32:33 PM5/21/03
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I've checked the printer driver for the Canon LBP-660 and it is the most recent version. Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Matt

Matt Miller

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May 21, 2003, 6:58:35 PM5/21/03
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I've just done a few tests...

Firstly I created a new document in InDesign to make sure it wasn't just the fact that I had changed the fonts in an existing document causing the problem. The new document still failed to print Euclid Symbol.

I then created documents in PageMaker and Word and both were able to print Euclid Symbol successfully.

Is there something I need to know about the way InDesign handles Type 1 fonts? I recall someone talking about copying fonts into InDesign's own font folder at one stage... is this something I need to do?

Thanks,
Matt

Ian A. Wright

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May 21, 2003, 8:22:14 PM5/21/03
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Matt:

Unlike Thomas, I'm not a type expert. I found Euclid Symbol at <http://www.myfonts.com> and it's from the Design Science Font Family. That suggests there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the font. However, how did you install that font into your Win2k operating system? You can install fonts just for InDesign but it should not be necessary as long as the font is good and it is properly installed.

Matt Miller

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May 21, 2003, 8:27:45 PM5/21/03
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Ian,

We first just copied them into the Windows fonts folder, however we have since removed them and tried installing them via Control Panel, Fonts, File>Install new font.

Neville Lassotovitch

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May 22, 2003, 11:47:48 AM5/22/03
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I have ATM and have never had a problem with Type 1 fonts in any program but I did have a curious problem with Univers Condensed Open Type fonts which I purchased from Adobe and installed in ATM. They looked fine on screen but printed terribly to my non-postscript printer. I read somewhere (probably on this forum) something about fonts also being installed under Program Files/Adobe/Fonts/Rquired folder. I gave it a shot and installed them there too and it worked! They now print fine. Just a thought.

Neville

Matt Miller

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May 22, 2003, 8:14:42 PM5/22/03
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Thanks for the suggestion Neville but unfortunately it didn't work.

If anyone has any ideas please let me know as this is a vital part of our production and we have no work-around...

Thanks,
Matt

r_harvey

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May 23, 2003, 2:58:22 AM5/23/03
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Fonts frequently appear to be named the same in TrueType and Type 1, but there are secondary names within TrueType font files that are not necessarily the same. (This is also why, in other InDesign threads, some complain that fonts are missing... they're somewhere down the list hiding under an alias.)

For example, Illustrator 9 replaces TrueType names with Type 1 names when you export to WMF--so anybody reading the file will not recognize the font names as TrueType, making IL9 WMF broken. WMF is essentially what's sent to the Windows printer driver.

Perhaps InDesign is aliasing the TrueType names. You may be able to fix it by changing the style to the same font name again; if that doesn't work, change to another, then back again.

A final option is to have-at the font files with Fontographer.

Thomas Phinney

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May 24, 2003, 4:04:44 PM5/24/03
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I'd also look at making sure that the printing is set to download the fonts, and try changing to "full" from "subset" in the font download settings.

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Matt Miller

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May 25, 2003, 6:54:47 PM5/25/03
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r_harvey:

I didn't quite understand everything you suggested, however I looked through the font list and there didn't appear to be the font present under another name.

I don't have any experience with Fontographer so that option sounds a bit out of my league...

Thomas:

Are you referring to the download fonts option under the Graphics tab in the Print dialogue?

If so, these options are not available to me (greyed out). I assumed it was because I was using a non-postscript or basic printer?

Thanks for your time guys, any other suggestions are most welcome!

Matt

Matt Miller

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May 25, 2003, 10:31:10 PM5/25/03
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I did another test. If I make a PDF (via Export) everything works ok and the correct characters are there when I print the PDF.

This points towards some kind of problem in the print process of InDesign... any ideas?

Thanks,
Matt

Matt Miller

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May 26, 2003, 12:33:07 AM5/26/03
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Sorry I'm not really understanding what you're saying... The document I made a PDF out of is the same document that when I print directly from InDesign does not print Euclid Symbol.

I am only seeing one name in my font list and it is the one I have been using all along.

I'm sorry if I'm missing your point... What exactly are you saying I can do to make it print correctly directly from InDesign?

r_harvey

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May 26, 2003, 12:08:01 AM5/26/03
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> This points towards some kind of problem in the print process

See the first sentence of #9 (ignoring the parenthetical note--which is off-topic). When you started-again, you used the current font name, not the one with an alias.

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