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HUGE problem with random kerning
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Dana Chapman
May 9, 2003, 3:21:31 PM5/9/03
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For some reason, it seems only in type larger than 14 pts or so, the kerning gets completely out of whack! This does not happen in quark or illustrator (& I wouldn't know about pagemaker b/c I don't use it for obvious reasons) This is SO frustrating because I have to go in with my cursor & take out the (-150), (-14), (100) etc & replace it with zero. Even then its ok on sceen, but not when I print it out. Its so random & I have no idea why this is happening! Please help! I have the latest update & that didn't help me at all.
dana
Alon
May 9, 2003, 4:37:02 PM5/9/03
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I found "optical" kerning sets type a heck of a lot better than "metric" kerning.
Jay Fraser
May 9, 2003, 4:35:44 PM5/9/03
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Is your kerning set to optical or metrics?
Thomas Phinney
May 9, 2003, 7:33:21 PM5/9/03
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I have a somewhat different take than Alon on this. My own experience is that "optical" kerning is a major improvement for poorly made fonts, and some improvement for an average font. But really top-notch fonts tend to do better with the kerning the designer put in ("metrics" kerning).
However, it is certainly a matter of taste and opinion.
Regards,
T
Thomas Phinney
Fonts Program Mgr.
Adobe Systems
Julian Tarkhanov
May 11, 2003, 7:10:32 AM5/11/03
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"Optical" kerning can get you in REAL trouble if a font file is designed improperly or is too old. A multitude of times I had poroblems with letters overlapping each other, dashes improperly positioned... all this was a result of applying "Optical" to bad font files, especially Cyrillic fonts.
Try to switch to "Metrics" and see if it works for you. Also it's strange that you see the fonts OK on the screen, but they go "Whacky" on print - InDesign's preview is not Quark's, it's very accurate. Check the print options as well (font downloading etc)
Try to switch to "Metrics" and see if it works for you. Also it's strange that you see the fonts OK on the screen, but they go "Whacky" on print - InDesign's preview is not Quark's, it's very accurate. Check the print options as well (font downloading etc)
Dana Chapman
May 12, 2003, 10:49:21 AM5/12/03
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I tried changing the mode from "metrics" to "optical" & it just shifted the kerning problem between other letters instead. What I've noticed is it mostly happens with bolded type, regardless of the point size. Since I am noticing this is happening to only Gill Sans in this particular document, I am going to try & replace this font with one my friend sent to me. I'm getting a feeling that its more about a corrupted font than anything else. Thank you for your help!!!!!!!
dana
dana
Jay Fraser
May 12, 2003, 4:34:07 PM5/12/03
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ah-HA! OK, this is a clue. Are you applying the bold within InDy, or is this imported text? If it's imported text, the problem could be that InDy isn't seeing your Gill Sans Bold, & is faking it. The tip-off is that the font style is in brackets, i.e. [Bold]. A confirmation would be to go to Type > Find Font, and see if Gill Sans Bold shows up w/ a yellow triangle next to it.
If that is the problem, the solution depends on your system & if you have a font-handling utility ... but basically you want to put the whole Gill Sans where InDy can see it. If you can get away w/ it, pull all the versions of Gill off your hard-drive, & install a fresh set in the "Fonts" folder in the "InDesign" folder.
Good Luck!
Jay
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