Layout imported from Quark, image boxes filled with white
Ken Nielsen •
I am hoping that this is something that can be fixed easily and globally:
I have imported a catalog that was originally produced in Quark. Everything is fine except now I notice that all of the photos, which are all eps with clipping path are in container boxes that are filled with white and thus make type and other graphic elements blocked out where they should show through.
Is there any way of correcting this? With one of the container boxes selected, I have already looked at object color and it shows no color fill.
Bob Levine
Try the object menu and select clipping path. Choose Photoshop path.
Bob
LooseFast
Converted a Quark 4.0 document and see that all the .eps files which had transparent background in Quark now have a white fill, which blocks images and text behind them as Ken describes above. I did re-save one .eps as an Illustrator 8.0 file and that seems to ring back the transparency.
Is this the only solution,then? Would be a bit of work to re-save everything!
Thanks,
Tom
John Kallios
John
clausjensen
Claus
Jeremiah Poling
> I have already looked at object color and it shows no color fill.
May just be a display issue. Have you tried turning on high quality display?
Or printing a page to see if it's still there?
If the eps is saved with a non transparent preview you will see a white box
on screen unless you show high quality (which makes indesign redraw the
image instead of using the preview built in.)
It will still print correctly though.
Of course I may be completely off base and Bob may hold all the answers! ;)
-Jeremiah
Jeremiah Poling
Guess that零 what I get for using a newsreader.
-Jeremiah
Ken Nielsen •
Try the object menu and select clipping path. Choose Photoshop path."
Thanks Bob, Tried these controls and no avail. White square background still appears regardless of setting - tried them all. Clipping path is working because images have colored backgrounds and clipping path knocks that out.
I will go down the list to John's recommendation next. Thanks to everyone for the great array of possibilities. I am learning something through this for sure.
Ken Nielsen •
Claus, white background box still remains.
If all fails, I will put text on its own layer above the photos, but there has got to be a solution other than that, I mean, these are clipping paths that are working and a box of white is showing up after the clipping effect is working (items are clipped but white block shows.)
PS here is a rub, a creation of replacing these images, that were once 'square cut' tiff images, with new 'clipping path' images and using the same container frame. I may have found this to be the problem. but will be back in a minute after I "RE-PLACE" the clipping images into NEW container boxes rather than using the old boxes. Doesn't make sense but nothing does right now so I will try it.
Ken Nielsen •
John, turned on overprint preview and white boxes stay. I saved my images with 8 bit Macintosh preview which has worked well in the past.
I have gone back and resaved one image with 8 bit tiff preview, updated the links in InDesign, and the white boxes still show. I don't see an option to save with transparent tif preview. Can you clarify a little more on where this choice is located (Photoshop 7.0.1.)
PS I also tried saving with various jpeg levels and still no change in the white box. I am thinking that this has something to do with controls in InDesign since these same files worked fine and showed transparency outside of the clipping path area when they were used in Quark.
Sandee Cohen
Is there any chance that there is a white fill in these frames?
Ken Nielsen •
Sandee, if you will look back to the original post, that starts this thread, you will see that fill is the first thing that I checked. There is definitely no fill. But here is the strange part: These are containers that are no longer linked to images but they still contained the preview from the former images. I then linked their locations to new eps images using the links dialog from the window menu. For some strange reason, this does not just give you a new image in the old container box but gives you a new image in its own container box - PLACED WITHIN the old container box which is now filled with white but shows as containing NO FILL in the color palette.
I am resolving this by not updating links but going through and deleting old previews and placing the new images individually using command D.
Ken Nielsen •
1. Placing, by updating links, new images into the old image locations has yielded two boxes when I select the image with the open arrow selection tool. One box is the image itself and has a red container outline.
2. The second box has a blue container outline and is what is left of the old image that has now been replace with the new clipping path eps photo. The blue container box is now acting as a mask - so when I move the image contained in the red box - outside of the blue box - it clips (yes - the blue box clips the eps image as a square clipping container.)
4. Go figure.
5. What I am going to need to do is go back through the document and delete all photo previews that still exist from the old photos which no longer exist, but the previews are still there. - Delete those and then go back through and Command D, place nice new fresh images into the document
6. Why?
7. Because it works.
Ken Nielsen •
Meanwhile, I will just go on with this project, doing it the best way I can and not questioning what I can't do, nor why.
Thanks to all of you great people here on the InDesign forum.
Ken
John Kallios
would you mind sending me an offending page with just one of the graphics. I would really like to see this. If not, no hard feelings.
john(at)orionprinting(dot)com
Ken Nielsen •
Searching for a global fix now so I can go back to simply replacing images using the links palette.
John Kallios
Yes, that is the frame for the image. If it was filled all along, then that would explain why you were seeing white.
If this was the case, then there is no reason to send me a page. If your original graphics still have a problem then I would still like to see it.
Illustrator eps files have issues with the pict preview at times with InDesign. Using transparent tif preview solves it (but can also introduce another problem if the eps image has transparency)
My workflow, I find it best to use native .AI files and native .PSD files (with transparency instead of clipping paths) I know you are converting legacy work so this does not apply to that.
John
Ken Nielsen •
I am bringing in new images now and notice that, when using the unfilled arrow tool that I can (default colors) select two items independently on the freshly placed image: One is the photo itself, the arrow turns into a hand symbol when you run it over the image, then touch down on the image and you get the photo with a red box around it. Now, if you hold down and drag the image slightly off to the side you will notice that when you release that it is clipped by another bounding box. Take your cursor and select outside of the photo but in line with the clip and you will select the bounding box which is outlined in blue (default.)
This, blue box, is the one that can be filled with white, as it was Sandee, by the way, and that explains the white area completely.
I am going to run one more test to confirm that my original images were indeed showing white because the blue 'container' box was filled with white.
Whew...
Buko
Ken Nielsen •
Ken Nielsen •
That's what it is John. A simple answer now, because everything can be explained with good solid software like InDesign. It just wasn't behaving normally when I first saw the problem. I was using the selection (hollow) arrow to select the photo and, of course, that was showing "no fill." It's the frame that had the fill.
I feel like a sheep now.
Baaaaa....
John Kallios
Don't worry, it is not like I have not done anything like this before.
XD
John
(you are a bigger man than I am for fessing up)
Buko
Ken Nielsen •
Damn file corruption. You never know when it's going to hit.
Most likely caused by faulty ram and a bad video card.
Buko
Most likely caused by faulty ram and a bad video card.
No No Ken, corruption is from Quark. All corruption is Quarks fault.
Sandee Cohen
It's the frame that had the fill.
Ken,
Whew! I'm so relieved to read that. I think it most likely had to do with how ID translated the Quark files.
But you are HARDLY the only one to get caught by ID's Direct Selection tool. I've got a friend, who should know from her years using Illustrator, who get just as confused.
Ken Nielsen •
Oh, it's sooo simple, once you know what it is.
Special thanks for everyone here for the input which all led to the eventual turning on of the light bulb.
: )
Ken_Nielsen_鼻adobeforums.com
Changing image type from tif to clipping path eps has worked but place the images in a smaller size in each existing box. The fix has been to reduce the view of pages to 25% then marquee select everything on a spread and ungroup (command shift G) then fit to existing frame (command option shift E.) What is cool is that these commands work on the photo container boxes only and leave everything else like type, even though it's selected, alone. Great program this InDesign I say.