What the font?

Matthew Poor

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Apr 1, 2003, 11:30:47 PM4/1/03

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Ok, as well as having the mysterious pdf difficulties on saving (any solutions yet?) I have a separate mystery that has me stumped.

Illustrator has in its font menu myriad roman, followed by a small black diamond.

Myriad is not loaded/active anywhere according to every other application.

GoLive has a copy of myriad (MyraidPro-Regualr.otf) in its required/altercast folder. I am hesitant to delete this as I do not understand what it is there for.

I have tried deleting all the font data base files fnt01, 02, 05 or whatever. No change.

I am using OSX with suitcase, all (illustrator too) are latest versions.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Matt

Thurgood

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Apr 2, 2003, 2:12:57 AM4/2/03

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It is the default font for illustrator and the balck diamond is indicating that it is missing I believe. If youwant to see the balck diamond go away I would load the font. I don't think you can get rid of the name being displayed.

Matthew Poor

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Apr 2, 2003, 1:49:22 PM4/2/03

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That makes sense. I guess I will load it then.

Thanks!

Matt

Unknown

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Apr 2, 2003, 3:14:27 PM4/2/03

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Go to Type in the upper menu. Drag down to Find/Replace. Replace the uninstalled font with one you have. There is a choice of 'from the document' or 'from the system'. The diamond will go away.

Matthew Poor

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Apr 3, 2003, 8:50:35 AM4/3/03

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Maybe I am not getting you on this one. Doing this gives me the option of finding a font in my document and replacing it with one from my system.

Myriad is not in my document. Myriad appears in the font menu at startup, with no document open. It is in the font menu with any and every document I open.

Myriad shows up in the system list of the find/replace font dialog, not the document list. In the system list, there is an asterix next to it, and no true type or postscript icon.

It is not that I have myriad in a document and do not have it in my computer, it is exactly the other way around.

I do not have myriad activated by suitcase, or in my system folder. Illustrator can still use it somehow.

Tell me if you had meant for me to do something else

Matt

Unknown

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Apr 3, 2003, 3:44:34 PM4/3/03

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Nah. I had it bass-ackwards due to my incredible abilty to misunderstand. Myriad is the new default font for illustrator replacing Helvetica apparently. It is ensconced somewhere within the Illustrator folders and loading info. It is 'read' from the AI folder by the startup if you didn't load the Adobe fonts (as with a custom install?) Myriad maybe did not get installed. That is how I misunderstand it...

Mike Sulzer

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Apr 3, 2003, 7:06:05 PM4/3/03

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How on earth did you get AI 10 installed in X without Myriad installed and working? Myriad to AI 10 is like tea in GB. I have it in three places: Library/Fonts/Myriad, Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts/Reqrs/Base/Myriad, and System Folder/Support/Adobe/Fonts/Reqrs/Base/Myriad. I doubt that the last one has any significance when running in X. The second one is Adobe's place for puting anything that does not work with X (such as MM fonts), and the first is where you would expect to find it. Did you install AI 10 when operating in X? If not, it might help to do so, but if everything else is working why touch it?

Skip McKinstry

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Apr 4, 2003, 1:31:15 PM4/4/03

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I'm having (I think) the a similar problem with Myriad. Myriad MM is listed in the font menu in Ill 10, but I can't find the various weights. Anyone have a suggestion?

Thurgood

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Apr 4, 2003, 2:14:53 PM4/4/03

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If you are working in OS X then MM fonts are not supported and I believe that Adobe will not be creating any new ones.

Mike Sulzer

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Apr 5, 2003, 12:48:44 PM4/5/03

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I have never heard of Myriad MM. As far as I know it is not a Multiple Master font. If your "Myriad MM" is working as a regular font (no weights) perhaps everything is OK except the name of the file(s).

OS X does not support MM fonts, but AI 10 does. This means that they have to be put in a special place (Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts/Reqrd/Base [note typo(s) in last reply!]) in order to work. They will not work if put in Library/Fonts. I have: Adobe Sans MM, Adobe Serif MM, Nueva MM, and Tekton MM. You also need the corresponding files with names like TektonMM. They all work as expected in AI 10 on OS X. They all have come free with various versions of AI, except Tekton, which I bought. To use MM fonts, you need to move them from wherever they are (search disks and backups) into the directory given above.

I hope that there will be more MM fonts. They have always been a good way to get the attention of your audience with subtle changes in emphasis.

Thurgood

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Apr 5, 2003, 1:20:05 PM4/5/03

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Mike that is intersting, very excellent info, there is a Myriad MM font I saw it soemewhere on my hard drive, though I think I removed them.

I don't think they are developing MM Fonts.

Ann Shelbourne

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Apr 5, 2003, 7:15:19 PM4/5/03

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Wade:
You are correct. Adobe plans no further development of MM fonts and sales will gradually be discontinued.

Something to remember if you need to make PDFs from Illustrator:
MM fonts will embed correctly in PDFs that are made from Illustrator 10.0.3 if you use File menu > Print > Create Adobe PDF.

I find that going via that route allows you to embed MM fonts in a PDF; while "Save As an Adobe PDF" throws up the message about protected fonts not being embeddable.

This thread may be of interest:
Robin Breslin "FAQ: Multiple master fonts on OS X" 4/11/02 5:52am </cgi-bin/webx?50@@.ef6eec0/0>

Mike Sulzer

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Apr 6, 2003, 10:28:08 AM4/6/03

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Ann,

AI 10.0.3 in OS X (10.2.4) does not give that message and appears to embed the MM fonts correctly. It appears that the AI and PDF formats are very nearly equivalent ways of storing information; this was not true with earlier versions.

Mike Sulzer

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Apr 6, 2003, 11:27:39 AM4/6/03

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Skip, Thurgood,

I am wrong, you are right, there is a MM verson of Myriad. Skip, do you have both files installed in the right place?