Interest in ADF tooling support on Eclipse?

[Greg Stachnick]

Hi Everyone,

My name if Greg Stachnick and I am a PM in the Oracle Development
Tools group, currently responsible for Oracle's Eclipse-based tools.
At Open World this year we announced a new initiative to bring ADF
tooling support to Eclipse as part of our Oracle Enterprise Pack for
Eclipse (OEPE) plugins. If you attended OOW, you may have had a chance
to play with the new ADF Faces tooling at the OEPE booth.

From the ADF Methodology Group surveys, it seems there is interest
here for ADF tooling to come to Eclipse so what has been your
experience so far with trying to develop ADF applications in Eclipse?

If you are not familiar with OEPE, we try to release new features
every quarter and take an incremental approach to supporting new
technologies. The rapid release schedule has worked out well so far as
it allows us to react to and incorporate user feedback into the
product in a timely manner. We have an idea of which parts of ADF to
tackle next but we would be very interested in hearing which parts of
the ADF stack you would want to see brought to Eclipse first.

Thanks for the invite to the group and if you are interested in ADF
tooling in Eclipse, we would be really interested in hearing from you.

[Mark Robinson]

I'm using JDeveloper right now, but I would be very interested in moving to Eclipse for development.  What I'd need to see would be support working with Oracle SOA Services.  With that I could work on moving over to Eclipse.

Mark

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[Jan Vervecken]

hi Greg

If your question is "... if you are interested in ADF tooling in
Eclipse ...", my first interest would be, does this new initiative to
bring ADF tooling support to Eclipse make JDeveloper any less
strategic for Oracle?

(I also asked the question in a somewhat related forum thread on OTN
at http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=9114312#9114312
)

thanks
Jan Vervecken

[John Stegeman]

Greg,

I guess I'm neither here nor there on whether it's a good thing. What
would be good for me would be to be able to reduce the number of tools
I have to learn and use - if all of the JDeveloper functionality (ADF
Tooling + SOA Development) made it into Eclipse, then the question
becomes more interesting - I've certainly used JDeveloper much more
than Eclipse in the last 11 years or so. To me, the benefit of using
Eclipse would be the larger number of extensions/plugins available for
Eclipse - that would, for example, reduce my need to wait for proper
Maven integration in JDeveloper, as Eclipse just does fine with Maven.
It would also probably kill the need for TPC, as Mylin (or whatever
it's called nowadays) is established and mature. I've not to-date
tried to develop ADF applications in Eclipse, as I think it would be
an utter failure because of the lack of tooling. If I were picking
parts to bring to Eclipse first, I'd probably go along these lines:

1). ADF BC (although I'd probably be fine with using JDev to develop
the BC layer and using Eclipse for the rest).
2). ADFc (task flows)
3). ADFm (data binding)

John

[mrs.o...@cma-cgm-systems.com]

Hello

I think it could be a great opportunity to have ADF tools developped
for eclipse too because most of developers know this IDE very well and
as said previously, eclipse has a lot of plugins and refactoring
capabilities. For me Oracle should focus its effort to produce the
best tools for ADF.

[glnd]

Greg,

What I would like to be supported in OEPE: ADF Faces and ADF Business
Components. But I heard those will only be supported by JDev and will
not be migrated to Eclipse…?

Regards,
Gert

On Nov 2, 1:04 pm, Jan Vervecken <verv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi Greg
>
> If your question is "... if you are interested in ADF tooling in
> Eclipse ...", my first interest would be, does this new initiative to
> bring ADF tooling support to Eclipse make JDeveloper any less
> strategic for Oracle?
>
> (I also asked the question in a somewhat related forum thread on OTN

> athttp://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=9114312#9114312
> )
>
> thanks
> Jan Vervecken

[ugb]

Hi Greg,

many times in my adf workshops i hear the same sentence from the
eclipse users:

"JDeveloper looks nice but i want to use my Eclipse..(my toy..)"

So we lost this developer for the ADF community and maybe we lost the
development team who think about to use ADF.

My wish list:

1.) Generate JPA DataControl
2.) Using and Build ADF Libraries for 1.)
3.) ADFc and ADFm (Build up the UI)
4.) Using and Build ADF Libraries for 3.)

At this time (2., 4.) i can use the ADF Libraries from other Eclipse
Teams in my JDeveloper :)

5.) ADF BC (maybe for the developer who don't use JPA)

ulrich

[Donovan Sherriffs]

This would definitely interest me. The first thing I would like to see
is the adf ui component and task flows in eclipse.

[John Flack]

I guess I'm more interested in NetBeans than Eclipse, because iReport,
the development tool for JasperReports is available as a NetBeans
extension as well as a stand-alone tool. But what I'd really like is
to be able to add it as a JDeveloper extension. My understanding is
that the extension API for JDeveloper has more in common with NetBeans
than with Eclipse, and since Oracle now owns NetBeans, maybe this will
happen. Or I'll get a Round TUIT and do it myself - but those TUIT
things are very rare, and the round ones even rarer.

[Edwin Biemond]

Hi Greg,

for me, it is ADF Rich Faces, Bindings, ADF Task Flows. I think there
is no need for ADF BC ( not the highest )
Most eclipse people come from a java background where they used
hibernate or toplink, They dont like ADF BC
so with OEPE, we already got Eclipselink .

And it would be cool if it works on Glassfish

thanks Edwin

[Marko Mitic]

I like eclipse IDE and I using it very often in my environment   but is not comfortable for development ADF apps.
My plug in wishes are:
1. ADFc - task flows designer
2. ADFm - data bindings, page def designer
3. ADFc debugger
4. BC - not importrant in first relese plug-in

+1 vote for ADF eclipse plugin development :)

Marko

[Mallikarjun sajjan]

I completely agree sergi, Jdeveloper is best tool we can have for the app development,

and easy to use .

On 4 November 2010 19:53, Serge <sergin...@gmail.com> wrote:

I Like Eclipe IDE too with all its plug gins but I think a lot of
resources will be need to provide to Eclipse all the functionalities
we have today with Jdev.
And I don't think open-source communities will have know-how or energy
to come up with a tool equals to what we have today in Jdev.
My own advice will be try Jdev  and get experience on that. Keep
reading public documentation .
There are a lot of marvelous functionalities and it cover all the
space of all kind of application we need today in some enterprise
project.
Today, compare to my previous projects on Eclipse, loosing time to map
DB (hibernate sync), today i can do it like a game using jsr227
binding functionalities + adfbc.
I worked with eclipse since 10yrs and i'm not regret my choice to move to Jdev.

 +1 vote for Jdev   :)

Simon
Developer on ADFBc & Fusion

2010/11/4 Marko Mitic <mim...@gmail.com>:

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Regards,
Mallikarjun Sajjan

[fnimphiu]

Hi,

I think the idea of an ADF Java EE edition for Eclipse sounds like a
good idea: ADFm, ADFc, ADFv and the EJB, POJO, WS, URL Data Controls.
This also goes in line with the feedback I got so far.

Frank

[Amr Gawish]

The more the IDEs the better.

I believe having all ADF, SOA, WebCenter and ECM will be a good start!

Best Regards,
Amr Gawish
Oracle Middleware Consultant
http://www.amr-gawish.com

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