Many extremely intelligent economists believe in Keynesian economics, which has received a horrible reputation among conservatives. Here is an excellent take on how this economic theory is actually sound if government were ever capable of properly instituting these principles.
The theory of stimulus is Keynes’s, is (in my opinion) sound, and is as follows. If, because a high rate of unemployment creates pessimism about the economic situation, people increase their savings at the same time that business is reducing its investing—and that is our situation today—the government can by financing projects through borrowing put the inert savings to work (inert because businesses aren’t borrowing people’s savings). The projects require workers, so unemployment falls, and with it pessimism and the cash hoarding, by consumers and businesses alike, that pessimism induces.
With Keynes’s theory understood, it becomes possible to list the principles of effective stimulus:
There is an enormous amount of idle productive capacity in the U.S. economy at present. There is thus a case, as liberal economists such as Paul Krugman keep urging, for further stimulus spending. The problem is that such spending is irresponsible unless coupled with a credible commitment to repay, after the economy recovers, the money borrowed to finance the spending. Not only is there no such commitment; at present the only realistic prospect is of staggering deficits stretching indefinitely into the future. As a result there is at present no stomach for additional stimulus spending. The government is reduced to impotent gestures, of which the job-subsidy plan is one.
Let's keep in mind that the goal of those in powerful places is not to
fix the economy as we would agree a fix would look like. The goal is
to siphen off wealth from Americans, keep us down rather than upset
about this, and raise certain people's standard or keep it at a
constant level at the expense of those that earned the wealth out of
their own diligence. In short, sort of socialism.
Al Gore and others will rake in trememdous profits if the phony green
movement kicks in as it is scheduled to do.
Health care dominance by government will control us more than we realize.
So, in my opinion, for what it's worth, the econimic theories of
vairous proponents might be used as fodder to deceptively seem to back
up positions of many and actually be the backup for some, I am sort of
ambivalent about these discussions - as I have made clear - and
probably to the dissappointment of some.
Now, when the Savior returns to rule there will be all sorts of policy
makers around and perhaps the Lord will let them deave into some of
these theories....who knows.
On 2/7/10, adam loumeau <adaml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many extremely intelligent economists believe in Keynesian economics, which
> has received a horrible reputation among conservatives. Here is an
> excellent take on how this economic theory is actually sound if government
> were ever capable of properly instituting these principles.
>
>
>
>
> The theory of stimulus is Keynes’s, is (in my opinion) sound, and is as
> follows. If, because a high rate of unemployment creates pessimism about the
> economic situation, people increase their savings at the same time that
> business is reducing its investing—and that is our situation today—the
> government can by financing projects through borrowing put the inert savings
> to work (inert because businesses aren’t borrowing people’s savings). The
> projects require workers, so unemployment falls, and with it pessimism and
> the cash hoarding, by consumers and businesses alike, that pessimism
> induces.
>
>
>
> With Keynes’s theory understood, it becomes possible to list the principles
> of effective stimulus:
>
>
>
> 1. The stimulus must be large in order to make a substantial dent in
> unemployment. The $787 billion stimulus enacted last February may have
> been
> too small; a $33 billion jobs subsidy is a drop in the bucket.
>
>
>
> 1. The stimulus must be implemented before recovery from a depression or
> recession is well under way—otherwise the government’s borrowing to
> finance
> the stimulus will slow the recovery by pushing up interest rates. (That
> is,
> at some point in the recovery, business will resume investing and so will
> be
> competing with the government for capital.) If enactment of the job
> subsidy
> is delayed in Congress, or if procedures for preventing the gaming of the
> program are cumbersome, the subsidy expenditures may come too late to do
> *any* good.
>
>
>
> 1. The stimulus must be targeted on industries, and areas of the country,
> in which unemployment is high. Like the $787 billion stimulus, the
> job-subsidy plan flunks this test as well.
>
>
>
> 1. Most important, a stimulus is designed to stimulate demand, not
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I leave the possibility open for that outcome, but beleive that if
there is a way to do it right, politicians would screw it up anyway by
not following the strictly limited application that might work - like
Adam aluded to.
Like I said earlier about tax cuts - the reason I think this works is
that it puts money into the marketplace into the hands of those that
use money as a tool to increase wealth - much like the parable of the
talents.
The fundamental problem I have with government medling is that they
think they can decide how and where to spend the money when
entrepreneurs of successful companies probably know better. So if you
give a tax cut to these businesses for hiring or a payroll tax holiday
then you put money into their hands as long as they hire more people -
if they can put them to productive use.
Some business out there will need more employees if they are 'cheaper'
and payroll tax cuts makes them cheaper.
The government would surely get a higher return on that 'investment'
than if they decided where to spend the money.
It is power hungry, vain, conceited, narcisitic politician ego that
causes the type of hyped up rhetoric wherein we hear that some program
will help the economy. More probable is that the program scratches
someone's back for a quid-pro-quo or indirect delayed benefit to the
joker proposing it. Or it is just plain designed to placate theire
constituents who are still looking for 'that dollar'.
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Also, the tax cut or holiday could have a provision that in order to
qualify the employer must check a box stating that there was no
churning going on and that all new jobs must be listed with the person
who previously held the job and why that person is no longer there -
or something like that.
But more to the point - the tax holiday should be for new hires that
do not replace anyone.
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Keep up the good work guys. This is great.
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Milton Friedman is a conservative economist of fame.
FDR initiated massive government programs and many "progressives" that
infiltrate higher education have touted Keynesian economics as the
thing to look towards.
Economics uses graphs with alebraic and calculus functions to try to
prove theories.
Not everything can be projected through mathematical equations
although they appear to be valid mathematically.
Also, rhetoric and political slant can come into play when talking
economics and if one is not careful, one finds himself hunting down a
missing dollar that isn't there at all.
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There is disingenuineness in their points of view - all down the line.
Conservative views are generally much more based on caveats, principles etc.
So even if Keynesian economics has merit, it would not be followed by
these dishonest folks.
They want to change the US population to be subservient and lose their
traditional sense of self-determination. That is the goal not any
specific economic theory.
It is good to understand economics in my view, primarily to know that
'leaving things alone' is the best approach to most everything.
Our consitition gives us the right to do things which we can deletate
to a represenatative government. That goevernment had no rigthts other
than those the people first had to delegate to them.
Hence they can protect us (police, army) build our streets, sidewalks
and bridges, etc.) If we don't have the right to put our hands in our
neighbors' pocket and pull out cash to feed our family, then we cannot
delegate that (non) right to the government.
Simple as that.
we might have done nothing. That would have been utter ruin. Instead we met the situation with proposals to private business and to Congress of the most gigantic program of economic defense and counterattack ever evolved in the history of the Republic. We put it into action. . . . No government in Washington has hitherto considered that it held so broad a responsibility for leadership in such times. . . . For the first time in the history of depression, dividends, profits, and the cost of living, have been reduced before wages have suffered. . . . They were maintained until the cost of living had decreased and the profits had practically vanished. They are now the highest real wages in the world.
Creating new jobs and giving to the whole system a new breath of life; nothing has ever been devised in our history which has done more for . . . "the common run of men and women." Some of the reactionary economists urged that we should allow the liquidation to take its course until we had found bottom. . . . We determined that we would not follow the advice of the bitter-end liquidationists and see the whole body of debtors of the United States brought to bankruptcy and the savings of our people brought to destruction.
Escercising the brain is like excercising the body in that instead of
atrophy you get strength.
Three strong heads ... that's what I see.
From a fat-head, anyway.... (that's me for you that are mentally
exhausted and didn't figure that one out)
>>>> son, and I will dredeem <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/1d>
>>>> all
>>>> mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely
>>>> eI<http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/1e> will
>>>> do it; whereforefgive <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/1f> me
>>>> thine honor.
>>>> 2 But, behold, my Beloved
>>>> aSon<http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/2a>,
>>>> which was my Beloved and
>>>> bChosen<http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/2b> from
>>>> the beginning, said unto
>>>> me—cFather<http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/2c>,
>>>> thy dwill <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/2d> be done, and
>>>> the eglory <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/2e> be thine
>>>> forever.
>>>> 3 Wherefore, because that
>>>> aSatan<http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/3a>
>>>> brebelled <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/3b> against me,
>>>> and sought to destroy the
>>>> cagency<http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/3c> of
>>>> man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give
>>>> unto
>>>> him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he
>>>> should be dcast <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/3d> down;
>>>> 4 And he became aSatan <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/4a>,
>>>> yea, even the bdevil <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/4b>, the
>>>> father of all clies <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/4c>, to d
>>>> deceive <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/4d> and to blind men,
>>>> and to lead them ecaptive <http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/4e>
>>>> at
>>>> his will, even as many as would not
>>>> fhearken<http://scriptures.lds.org/moses/4/moses/4/4f>unto
>>>>>>> - the FED giving the "free market" cheap credit, encouraging risk
>>>>>>> and leveraging in the private sector
>>>>>>> - the government agencies, Freddie and Fannie, stamping a US
>>>>>>> Government guarantee on mortgages they KNOW people cannot afford
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> packaged and sold by the banks on the "free market" as a mortgage
>>>>>>> backed
>>>>>>> security, worldwide.
>>>>>>> - the government telling the "free market" what lending
>>>>>>> qualification guidelines should be
>>>>>>> - the government promising to bailout any bank from failure in the
>>>>>>> time. Here's <http://mises.org/rothbard/AGD/chapter7.asp#fn2> an
>>>>>>>> *their* warning voice leading up to the crisis. Hank Paulson knew
>>>>>>>> But I am not aware of *any* debate over whether Herbert Hoover's
>>>>>>>>> Vision<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCfZcYofve0>.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%2525252Bu...@googlegroups.com>
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>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%2525252Bu...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> >
We might as well be planning for the milenium for that is the first
time we may be able to apply 'clean' principles to work.
For now, this is just an excercise in logical discussion that may or
may not have merit.
For every argument in one direction there are several in the other
then exceptions to that etc etc etc.
Sound like the ancient onological arguement developments with their
ins and outs that make your head spin.
Anyone know what the ontological arguements are all about?
Well this economic discussion, with its spurts of cleverness, sounds
like that to me in that it doesn't amount to a hill of beans for real
world application.
On 2/10/10, adam loumeau <adaml...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> - the FED giving the "free market" cheap credit, encouraging risk and
>>>> leveraging in the private sector
>>>> - the government agencies, Freddie and Fannie, stamping a US
>>>> Government guarantee on mortgages they KNOW people cannot afford to
>>>> be
>>>> packaged and sold by the banks on the "free market" as a mortgage
>>>> backed
>>>> security, worldwide.
>>>> - the government telling the "free market" what lending qualification
>>>> guidelines should be
>>>> - the government promising to bailout any bank from failure in the
>>>> time. Here's <http://mises.org/rothbard/AGD/chapter7.asp#fn2> an
>>>>> *their* warning voice leading up to the crisis. Hank Paulson knew more
>>>>> But I am not aware of *any* debate over whether Herbert Hoover's lack
>>>>>> Vision<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCfZcYofve0>.
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%2525252Bu...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> .
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> For more options, visit this group at
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/adams-discussions?hl=en.
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > --
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Bill Loumeau
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Oracle Financials Business Consultant
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > OracleCPA
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > 760.583.0186
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%2525252Bu...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> .
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > For more options, visit this group at
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/adams-discussions?hl=en
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%2525252Bu...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> .
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>>>>>>>> .
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%2525252Bu...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> >
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>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>> <adams-discussions%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
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>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
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>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>> <adams-discussions%252Buns...@googlegroups.com<adams-discussions%25252Bun...@googlegroups.com>
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As far as Spencer's point that the discussions won't mount to a hill
of beans and that I am being hopeless about it - I agree that I do not
have the right attitude when you look at it that way.
The united order will rule when the Savior is here, I think, so Paul's
question might be mute.
Spencer's positions and points of view are very good, in my opinion
and he has logically answered the opposite point of view.
I frankly don;t understand Adam's points - perhaps I don't pay attention enough.
Tricky, sophisticated confusing arguments are usually wrong in my
opinion. I have always done well in school and other academic
discussions about economics, but the real high brow stuff evades me.
So I really can't follow nor do I understand what Adam is really
saying always.
So that is why I have taken the position that appears hopeless. I
guess I am reacting to what appears futile to me - and that may be
because I just have not dedicated myself enough to follow the details
of the arguements.
They sort of sound like looking for the dollar to me.
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I don't think Adam is an elitist groopy (sonuds nicer), but I do think
that Adam thinks more, reads more and discusses logically better than
most - including myself - so I don't always follow all of his points.
But that doesn't mean I think he is wrong - just that I don't follow
it all.
I hope we all agree that we know we could be wrong and are only
sharing our current viewpoints - which should be able to be changed if
we see a better 'arguement'.
I am open.
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>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>
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>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> > --
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> > Bill Loumeau
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> > Oracle Financials Business Consultant
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> > OracleCPA
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> > 760.583.0186
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> >
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> Bill Loumeau
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> Oracle Financials Business Consultant
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> OracleCPA
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> 760.583.0186
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> --
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Neither the constitution nor scriptures are very replete with
information on this subject either.
So we are left to postulate - or more probably - argue points that
others have already made.
Nothing wrong with that. Kind of like jogging just for the sake of
jogging. I would rather go somewhere.
That is definitely against God's commandments.
It is one thing to hedge against risk - where logical solutions are
implemented to minimize loss. Quite another thing to speculate just
for the purpose of gaining a lot of money in the process without any
concern for where the money is invested - I mean without caring about
the entity getting the money and for what it will be used.
Greed was the motive - not protection against loss.
That was the fundamental error in my opinion.
All the fixes after that are like making sure a drunk only drives on a
less populated street so he doesn't have much of a chance of hitting
anyone.
Once the numbers start to balance out, the US Constitution is not a
guarantee at all.
That is why we started out with the US Constitution AND God - centered
in, trusting in, praying to and living within the gospel tenets of
GOD.
We cannot discuss any of this with much chance of being correct in a
vacuum without bringing God into the discussion.
That is the other big problem with the economy today.
God's ways are above man's ways.
Just because the world is deceived about this fact doesn't mean we should be.
So what's up Steve McQueen?
On 2/12/10, Laura Hanson <hanson...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of current events, did you guys know that many banks across the
> country have been running out of money and collecting FDIC insurance,
> sometimes multiple times? It's happening a lot and not being talked about.
> The FDIC is totally in debt and not sure what to do. Bank holiday maybe.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Spencer Hanson
> <spenc...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Some news <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFbPN9ktuvI> on the economic
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