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Jenelle Centeno

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Aug 3, 2024, 4:34:21 PM8/3/24
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It doesn't just stop there when I alternate between the different fan speed, it can also cause my internet to drop off. I believe it might be due to the power surge within my house, however, I am not quite sure what might be causing it.

I believe it's not due to my Desktop's multi-plug, as if it was the power surge due to that my desktop would turn off by itself and restarts. However, the desktop is perfectly fine and only the internet is affected.

It would be useful if you could explain how you concluded that "when I turn on/off my fan" then "there will be a power surge within my house" - do you mean that changing the fan speed and/or on/off state causes lights to flicker? That would be very odd, as "light flickering" is usually associated with high-current changes (like a microwave oven or air conditioner turning on), and normal box fans are in the 100 watt range (i.e. low power).

Your desktop not powering off at the same time may not be a useful bit of data: PC power supplies have a "hold up" capacity that could be many dozens of milliseconds long ("hold up" is "supplies power to the PC even though the wall power has failed"). This is long enough that the PC can ride out the power "excursion".

The other thing to know is that in the USA at least (can't speak for where you are), residential power comes into the house on two 180-degrees-out-of-phase legs, each 120 volts above ground (neutral). This is so that we can allow both 120V (one leg to ground) and 240V (potential between the legs) appliances. If your fan is on one leg, the Internet router/modem is on the same leg, and the desktop is on the other leg, then power fluctuations caused by the fan can affect the router/modem (on the same power leg) while the desktop is unaware (different power leg).

This is a pretty common problem with high-powered electric motors, such as the one in your fan. Inside the fan's motor, there are coils of wire which will create a magnetic field when you push a current through them, which is what turns the fan. Once the fan is spinning, this arrangement will also produce a voltage across the coil, which resists further current flow. However, for a moment when you first connect that coil, the magnetic field hasn't had a chance to build up yet, which means the coil of wire looks like a short circuit. That's not a problem for the fan itself, but for other devices on the same circuit, for a moment it will look like there's a short circuit right next to them. As a result, they will see greatly reduced voltage for a moment every time the fan starts.

The easiest solution is generally to move one device or the other to a separate circuit, so that they won't affect each other as much. Since you only have one circuit, you can't completely do that, but you still may have some luck with moving one device or the other to a different outlet across the room, or in a different room. They definitely shouldn't be on the same power strip in any case.

However, it's very likely your router's power supply can be replaced with a universal one which will function better under a brownout. (This is assuming your router/modem has an external AC/DC power supply, which most do. If yours takes in AC directly, this won't work.) Check the label of your router's (and modem's, if they're separate devices) power adapter. Your new adapter will need the exact same output voltage rating, and a current output rating equal or greater than the one you have now, with a wide range input voltage rating. Something like this might do the trick: 30W Universal Switching AC/DC power supply.

Hey I was facing the Similar issue when I connected a longer LAN wire (about 10m) b/w the modem and router, whenever I would switch on the Fan the router would remain on but the green light of internet would become Red on the Router

But when I replaced that LAN cable b/w Router and Modem with the original LAN cable I got with the router my issue was resolved and there was no effect when I turned on the FAN and the internet would run smoothly.

I apologize for being away so long (since the very beginning of the year). Health issues and such. Can you believe I still have my new build to build, all those shiny new parts and such? And I am back at square one going back to consult everything I was learning.

But I have a new issue today. I just ordered a new power surge protector, an APC P11VNT3 Performance SurgeArrest 11 Outlet with Phone (Splitter), Coax and Ethernet Protection, 120V. From what I have thus far gathered, there are those who claim that utilizing such Ethernet connections significantly slows down internet speeds, while others claim no significant loss.

Those lines already have superior protection installed for free. Using protectors that virtually do not degrade signals. As required by codes and other standards for longer than PCs have existed. But mostly unknown to consumers.

Numerous anomalies can exist. Nothing averts all. Many, if not most, are already made irrelevant by what exists inside each electronic appliance. Many will recite fears from hearsay rather than learn what makes anomalies (ie low voltage) irrelevant. Same myths will also recommend protectors that do not even claim to protect from a typically destructive anomalies.

For example, low voltage is popular with many who ignore numbers, are informed by subjective fears. and have no idea what is routinely accomplished inside all electronic appliances. Normal voltage for all electronics is even when incandescent bulbs dim to 50% intensity. How often is your voltage dropping that much? Then be concerned for appliances actually at risk: ie refrigerator.

If low voltage exists (incandescent bulbs dimming less than 50% intensity), then a UPS is needed for each refrigerator. Or an electrician is needed ASAP for house wiring that threatens human life. How often do your bulbs remains dimmed that much?

Yes, you definitely want to have a surge protector for ALL the sensitive electronic equipment you have in the house, like TV/stereo/computer.
The surge protector you decide on need not be the most expensive or highly rated. Mid-range will do just fine.

Do you seriously think that a bolt of lighting that has traversed several miles of an air gap is going to be stopped by a surge protector with a spark suppression gap that may be measured in millimeters? Lighting will go where it wants and if your house or equipment is in the way you cannot stop the lightning.

I have been involved with desktop computers since the early inception of the Apple II. I have never used any form of surge protection other than a UPS to guard against power outages. Some non-critical systems (I run six systems at my house) are not protected at all. I have lived in Texas and Tennessee where thunderstorms are frequent and brutal at times. I have never lost a piece of equipment because of power surge issues.

The marketing of surge suppressors is just marketing so the product can be sold. The makers have to create a need to create a demand. And they have done just that judging by some of the comments here. If a surge protector makes you feel better I guess the price can be justified. A UPS is more valuable and power dropouts are much more frequent than surges.

The only protection IME is an online UPS. This will prevent your computer equipment from major over and under voltage, but not from very close lightening strikes. You need a good offline backup for that.

Spec numbers. For 120 volt electronics even before PCs existed, voltages as high as 600 would not cause damage. ATX specs for original Pentium PCs defined even better internal protection up to 1000 volts. Concern is a voltage that exceeds that existing internal protection.

Cumulative damage to electronics due to low voltage is also classic hearsay. No datasheet says low voltage causes damage. The hard numbers he forgets to provide. Datasheets define all low voltages as not harmful.

The fewer who really know this stuff are obvious. They first learn and can cite spec numbers. Numbers show a UPS claims near zero protection. Numbers also define protection, defined by international standards, already exists inside electronic appliances.

In my opinion, the only protection you need is electric. If there is a surge/spike on the data line, your modem/router will take the hit, not your computer. In my +/- 30 years of experience, my modem/router has NEVER taken a hit, except for one time when I was overseas in 1992: my dialup modem got zapped.

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