Open Letter to Catholics, About Catholics, America & Protestantism
Robert Weinert
Mr. Toner,
The email you wrote me in reply was an excellent essay and contained many facts of which I was unaware, but I stand by my assertion of very few Catholics in America prior to 1880.
I do not know the exact or estimated percentage of the total population that Catholics composed but my understanding from all I have read is that Catholics were less than 1% of the population for the 17th and 18th century. In the 19th century the number of Catholics in America finally reached approximately 14% by the turn of the century circa 1900. As I told you before, America was a Protestant Nation in her founding and for most of her history.
Let me go Google this... I'll be right back...
OK - LOOK AT WHAT I FOUND:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism_and_American_politics
http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/farmers_land.htm
"Catholics were somewhat late-comers in American History. There were small populations that existed, but for the most part Catholics suffered much Anti-Catholic sentiments. During the American Revolution until the late 18th century, there existed only about a 1% population of Catholics (about 30,000 out of 3,000,000 total population). Then, there was mass immigration of Catholics from Ireland, Germany, Southern Europe, Philippines, and Latin America. By 1830, there was roughly 600,000 Catholics in the United States and the total population of the nation had swelled to over 12,000,000 . 200,000 Irish had immigrated in the 1830's due to poverty in Ireland. Many of these Irishmen became Protestants. The Irish Potato Famine in 1845 caused the Irish population in America to reach 962,000, the number doubling in the next ten years[3]. Anti-Catholic laws were established during the 1830's and 40's. Groups such as the Know Nothings formed in the late 19th century and were even associated with the Republican Party against the Irish Catholics.
But by the end of the 19th century, Catholics represented 14 percent of the total U.S. population of 75 million, and by the early 1900's, Catholicism was the single largest religious denomination in the country[4]. Still, Catholics did not hold many high offices in politics. Of the first 54 judges, only one was Catholic."
BELOW ARE ACTUAL DEMOGRAPHIC NUMBERS, POPULATION TOTALS
1790
Total population: 3,929,214; farmers 90% of labor force; U.S. area settled extends westward on average of 255 miles; parts of the frontier cross the Appalachians
1800
Total Population: 5,308,483
1810
Total population: 7,239,881
1820
Total population: 9,638,453; Land Law allows as little as 80 acres of public land for a minimum price of $1.25 an acre; credit system abolished
1830
Total population: 12,866,020; Mississippi River forms the approximate frontier boundary
1840
Total population: 17,069,453; farm population; 9,012,000 (est.); farmers 69% of labor force
1850
Total population: 23,191,786; farm population; 11,680,000 (est.); farmers 64% of labor force; Number of farms: 1,449,000; average acres: 203
1860
Total population: 31,443,321; farm population: 15,141,000 (est.); farmers 58% of labor force; Number of farms: 2,044,000; average acres: 199
1870
Total population: 38,558,371; farm population: 18,373,000 (est.); farmers 53% of labor force; Number of farms: 2,660,000; average acres: 153
1880
Total population: 50,155,783; farm population: 22,981,000 (est.); farmers 49% of labor force; Number of farms: 4,009,000; average acres: 134; Most humid land already settled; heavy agricultural settlement on the Great Plains begins
1890
Total population: 62,941,714; farm population: 29,414,000 (est.); farmers 43% of labor force; Number of farms: 4,565,000; average acres: 136; Census shows that the frontier settlement is over
1900
Total population: 75,994,266; farm population: 29,414,000 (est.); farmers 38% of labor force; Number of farms: 5,740,000; average acres: 147
JUST AS I THOUGHT MR. TONER - I WAS RIGHT - YOU WERE WRONG!
America was a Protestant nation and Catholics were (Thank God) a tiny percentage of the population in the early American colonies right up until 1880 just as I claimed in my earlier email. {I thank God that Catholics were a tiny percentage of the total population of America because they would have more quickly ruined America, IMHO.}
Now you may ask why would it bother me or why should I be concerned about the percentage of Catholics in America?
I am concerned because Catholics lean democratic and or socialist in their thought processes and in their voting patterns. You might ask why this is true, if it is true.
It is my assertion that Catholics think differently than Protestants about politics and economics primarily because of the centralized, top to bottom, authoritarian form of church government they suffer under in the Roman Catholic hierarchical church.
Furthermore I am asserting that the average lay Catholics are not Bible readers, they are not Bible lovers, who let the principles of the Bible guide their political and economic opinions.
I am asserting that Catholics will ruin every Protestant nation where they gain a majority because of the fact that Catholics do not understand the benefits of Biblical liberty, limited government and rugged individualism.
Catholics tend to be collectivists. Why? My theory is that they are collectivists because their church is collectivist. Their Priests and Nuns take vows of poverty and live in a collectivist milieu and I further assert that living in this type of environment affects the preaching and teaching that comes from the minds and hearts of the Priests and Nuns.
On the other hand, Protestants tend to be individualists, because their Pastors are very similar to entrepreneurs who are building a business. It takes a dynamic leader in a Baptist church for example, to build a large congregation of many hundred members. Catholics find the concept of a Pastor as an entrepreneur, revolting. But Protestants find the mandatory Catholic vows of poverty revolting.
Thus I am asserting that the Catholic mindset and the Protestant mindset are as different as day and night and I am furthermore again reiterating that Catholics could never have given birth to America. I am asserting that it took the independence minded Protestants to give birth to this great nation that was built upon self-reliance and rugged individualism rather than collectivism. These are broad generalizations that are subject to exceptions, but these stereotypes are in the majority, accurate and true.
Catholics could never have given birth to an America.
Look at South and Central America as an example where Catholicism dominated for hundreds of years. The only thing produced in South and Central America was poverty and centralized dictatorships, just like the Catholic church.
It took Protestants of all kinds, Baptist, Methodist, Congregationalists and Quakers (and yes I will grudgingly admit, even Anglicans) to give birth to America.
It took Protestants of all kinds, with their love of Presbyterian forms of church government… electing elders and selecting their pastors by elections and providing for ecclesiastical courts where charges might be brought against errant pastors or elders by laymen, …to have the genius and the insight and the experience to write a beautiful and balanced document like the United States Constitution.
Catholics were not and are not capable of such thinking. Even today, it is difficult to find truly conservative Catholics who understand that the economic teachings of Jesus, the economic teachings of the Bible in both the Old Testament and the New Testament are 100% dedicated to the propositions, that in modern vernacular are known as "Free Market economics," or "Libertarian economics" which are scripturally undergirded by a strong affinity for "unassailable private property rights."
Sad to say, almost all Catholics think "the state" should "help the poor, the elderly and the infirm." Thus most Catholics vote democrat.
There are many Catholics on my email list. I am CC'ing them a copy of this letter.
I expect to hear intelligent, well written rebuttals such as Mr. Toner wrote me below.
I love the Internet. I love the battle of ideas. I love the free exchange of ideas that the Internet makes possible.
May God open your Catholic eyes so that you may be enlightened and fully agree with me, LOL, that was a joke people, lighten up.
Bob
Robert. I think you are off base with this history of Catholics in the USA. Let's look at "There were almost zero Catholics in America until huge floods of them came to America between 1880 and 1920. America was a White Protestant Christian nation for the first 300 years of her history. From the early 1600's to the late 19th century there were very few Catholics in America"Arrant nonsense! The French were among the most numerous pioneers in our Westward expansion, from the Northern border to Louisiana. The French helped George Washington take Yorktown on land and at sea. It was this victory over Cromwell that convinced the British that it was time to quit. The Irish were a large part of Washington's army. The Spanish settled all over, particularly in "Florida" (Spanish for colorful), Texas, the West, and Southwest. Dutch settlers were numerous in the East. New York was "Niew Amsterdam" for a long time. Those nations were overwhelmingly Roman Catholic, and so were its people that came here.
I'm a "Narrowback" myself, a Second Generation Irishman. My wife is from Dublin, so I am quite familiar with the Irish influence on our history.
The Declaration of Independence was written in the fine hand of Irish Born Charles Thompson.
First read to the people in the fine brogue of John Nixon, another irish born citizen.
It was printed by John Dunlap, born in Ireland.
It bears the signatures of 7 Irishmen; Charles Carroll MD, Thomas Lynch SC, Thomas McKean DE, Robert Paine MA, George Read DE, James Smith PA, George Taylor, also of PA, and Mathew Thornton NH.
The Great Seal of the USA was designed by Charles Thompson of Co. Derry who was Secretary of The Continental Congress during it's entire existence.
The White House was designed by James Hoban who emigrated from Co. Kilkenny in 1785. He supervirsed its completion, and - you Anglo's ready for this? - following its destruction by the British in 1814, Hoban directed its reconstruction.Thereafter, The State and War Offices, begun in 1818, were designed by him, and he assisted in the design and construction of the U.S Capital. Hoban also served as a member of The Washington City Council from its incorporation in 1812 until his death in 1831.
The first armed attack against the British was the capture of arms and ammunition at Portsmouth NH, 4 months before the Battle of Lexington. The attack was led by John Sullivan (afterwards Major General), a son of Owen Sullivan of Co. Limerick.The first decicive victory for our side was won at Moore's Creek Bridge Wilmington NC on 12 Feb. 1776, when 1,500 Tories surrendered to the troops under the command of Col. (Later to become General) James Moore, a descendant of Roger O'Moore, a leader of the Irish Rebellion of 1641. The first General Officer to die was Gen. Richard Montgomery, who fell while leading the attack on Quebec Dec. 31 1775. He was born in Co. Donegal. Washintons army had 17 Irish Generals. The First Commodore of the US Navy was John Barry, of Co. Wexford. I had the honor and privelege of being quartered in Barry Hall, the last 2 years of my stay at the USMMA, Kings Point.
During the Young Irish "disorder", 9 Irishmen were convicted of treason, and sentenced to death.
They were John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Patrick Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas
Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrance McManus, and Michael Ireland.Pressure from the USA caused Queen Victoria to relent on the death sentence, and they were
sentenced to "Transportation" and banishment to Australia.In 1874, word reached Queen Victoria that Sir Patrick Duffy Patrick Duffy who had been elected
Prime Minister of Australia was the same man she deported 25 years earlier. On the Queens
demand, the records of the rest of the deported men were revealed, and this is what was uncovered:Thomas Francis Meagher, Gov. of Montana.
Terrance McManus, Brigadier General, US Army.
Patrick Donohue, Brigadier General US Army.
Richard O'Gorman, Gov. General of Newfoundland.
Morris Lyene, Attorney General of Australia, who was succeeded by Michael Ireland.
Thomas D'Arcy McGee, MP Montreal, Minister of Agriculture, and President of Council, Dominion
of Canada.John Mitchell, prominent NY Politician. He was the father of John Purroy Mitchell, Gov. of NY
1917As for sheer numbers, keep in mind the millions of Irish who were sick of the English persecution of Catholics and emigrated to the USA. The potato famine alone brought at least one million Irish here. Again, these people were overwhelmingly Roman Catholics.
"There were almost zero Catholics in America until huge floods of them came to America between 1880 and 1920. America was a White Protestant Christian nation for the first 300 years of her history. From the early 1600's to the late 19th century there were very few Catholics in America"
Really?
Ed Toner, Brick NJ
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Dear Anne,
Your email response below was delightfully accurate and I was rightly chastened.
You have provoked a torrent of words to flow from my heart into this email to you.
Anne, we are in trouble.
Here is a small example from my personal experience September 18, 2006.
I live in the middle of the American continent. We call it the "Midwest."
In my occupation as a salesman just today, I had two and only two customers who were probable buyers.
Coincidently, both of them were from India!!!!
They both lived in very large, very beautiful, new homes.
One of them was a total asshole who jewed me down on price to nearly losing money.
Now lets discuss some seemingly random statistics below and hopefully I will connect all of this into a coherent logical essay.
In California, Texas and Florida, which are 3 of the largest states in the USA, thanks to legal and illegal immigration, WHITES ARE NOW A MINORITY.
Our current immigration policy was designed by Jews.
This is a fact and very few Americans are aware of this fact.
Traditionally in America it is a fact that Catholics have voted for the socialists in the American Democratic party.
Therefore you understand that Catholics voted in large numbers for the liberal democrats who empowered the Jews to enforce and implement the immigration policies that we are now "enjoying."
There were almost zero Catholics in America until huge floods of them came to America between 1880 and 1920.
America was a White Protestant Christian nation for the first 300 years of her history. From the early 1600's to the late 19th century there were very few Catholics in America.
But now America is turning Catholic and brown too.
In addition to that problem as a result of our insane Jewish designed immigration policy, now we have millions of Muslims in America.
40 years ago we had almost zero Muslims in America. Now according to the stats I have seen there are between two and three million Muslims in American at this time.
Jews have done this to America intentionally in the name of diversity and multiculturalism so that they would only be one minority in a nation of minorities... Digression ahead…
I found a beautiful green insect, similar in appearance to a cross between a grasshopper and a praying mantis, on the door of one of my clients homes today. I did not want the insect to enter the customers home and so before I knocked on the door this home, I bent down and grasped the bug to move it off of the door without harming it. But to my surprise the reaction of the bug was to lurch so violently in an attempt to get away that one of its grasshopper like legs dislodged from it's body. I FELT TERRIBLE. I did not want to harm the beautiful insect, I was just trying to move it. I successfully moved the bug safely to a green leafy shrub. But I felt so badly about causing the loss of the insects leg, that I nearly teared up. I talked to the Lord about it in prayer.
Now why did I tell you that story, to demonstrate that I have a big soft heart! I am not mean or cruel. I do not even like killing spiders in my home. I do not want to even think about actually killing a human being. But I find that I am constantly thinking evil thoughts about Jews for what they have done to my nation. I think that I would be so happy if the Iranians got a Nuclear weapon and used it to destroy Israel. Why? Why would I dwell on such an evil thought? It is out of anger at the Jewish Left in America. And because if such a terrible event happened to the Jews precious Israel, then I think it would shock the living nonsense out of all the Jews in all western nations and perhaps (wishful thinking on my part) they would then realize that they need the European Christian Right as their ally in the world against the low IQ blacks, browns and Muslims who hate them just as much as they hate White Christian America. Then I fancy in my imagination that we Jews and Christians could be allies!
No, I am wrong and it is foolish to even entertain such irrational hopes. The truth of the matter is that the Jews are mentally ill and nothing will straighten them out. They are irreversibly secular, socialist and anti-Christian. The ugly truth is that we probably need a real Holocaust, not an exaggerated fake Holocaust like the one they claim occurred in WWII. {The word is getting out about the lies the Jews have told about WWII and what really happened.}
Those are ugly words. I am sorry I wrote them. I am sorry that I feel I have to write them. Here I am, a man who calls himself a Christian, a man who does not even like to take the life of an insect, a man who is actually considering the elimination of an entire ethnic group. Why? You have to ask "why" I have evolved in my thinking to this stage. Self Defense. It is because I perceive that the Jews are trying to eliminate my people as a distinct cultural ethnic group. This is sad, very sad that I have felt compelled out of survival instincts to begin to think in this way.
Cynical Question: "Is this the truth about planet earth," ie, it is "kill or be killed?" Or am I revealing that I have a lack of faith in God? Am I revealing that I lack sufficient trust in the "Sovereign Almighty God" who does as He wills and no man resists His will?
Jesus was led as a lamb to the slaughter. Christians were tossed to the lions in ancient Rome and for the most part they passively submitted except for passively trying to hide from the authorities. Later during the Reformation and Inquisition, Protestant Christians were burned alive at the stake by "priests" of the Roman Catholic Church, and in most cases these Christians also submitted passively to martyrdom when flight was not open to them as an option.
There are some examples in history of Christians who took up arms in self-defense, but the record is thin.
The American war for independence in 1776 may have been one such example.
But for the most part, Biblically speaking, it does not seem that Jesus looks favorably upon using the sword against the enemies of Christ except in the most extreme cases where it is a necessity of self-defense.
Today in these momentous times, I find myself so angry at what the Jews have done to my nation and the other western Christian nations, that I am holding murderous thoughts in my heart against Jews as a group. This is sin. This is wrong. God help me. God make me like Jesus, willing to be led as a lamb to the slaughter as a martyr, if that is what God is calling me to do.
God purge me of the ugly words and thoughts that dwell within my rage filled heart over what the atheist Jews, the Zionist enemies of God have done to America and Britain and Australia.
My Prayer: "May God Save These Jews or Curse Them and Destroy Them!"
My Prayer: "May I obey God and refrain from acting on my imaginations of revenge upon these wicked Jews who are in the words of Jesus, "The Synagogue of Satan.""
May you refrain as well.
I am sincerely yours,
Fully meaning every heartfelt word written above,
Robert Weinert
September 2006
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From: Anne Glew <ag...@bigpond.net.au |
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To: Robert Weinert <rober...@gmail.com
Date: Sep 18, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Dear Anne, about Mother Teresa,
Bob, I did not read your email about Mother Teresa the first time you sent it out.
However you should know that Mother Theresa leaves me cold.
I do not know why.
Perhaps it is because she did not strike at the root of the problem, which is the political system in Calcutta Or perhaps it was her intense involvement in the poor of the other countries while the Anglo Saxon people are struggling.
She enjoyed herself helping out the refuse of society in a coloured country, which is a bottomless pit.
The truth of the matter is that when England ruled India the lower classes were better off.
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From: Robert Weinert
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To: Anne Glew
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: Dear Anne, about Mother Teresa,
Anne, you did not answer this email I sent you
On 9/6/06, Robert Weinert <rober...@gmail.comwrote:
snip... snip...
I am anti-Catholicism, id est, I think their theology is wrong and unbiblical - but this essay below is so good, I just had to send it to you - it challenges me to be a better christian... Bob
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Just five
days after Princess Diana was killed, Mother Teresa died September 5, 1997.
The daughter of an Albanian grocer, she joined an order at age 18 and
began working in the slums of Calcutta.
Starting the Missionaries of Charity, which care for the blind, aged,
lepers, crippled, and dying, Mother Teresa stated:
"I see Jesus in every human being. I say to myself, this is hungry Jesus,
I must feed him. This is sick Jesus. This one has leprosy or gangrene...I serve
because I love Jesus."
A Nobel Prize recipient, 83-year-old Mother Teresa spoke to 3,000 attendees, including President and Mrs. Clinton and Vice-President Al Gore at the National Prayer Breakfast, February 3, 1994:
"I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself, and if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?...
Please don't kill the child...give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child and be loved by the child."
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Dear Frank,
In Salem, Massachusettes a total of 13 witches were burned by Calvinists while
in Europe the Catholics were burning "witches" by the thousands, for
hundreds of years.
It shocks and surprises me that you do not know the history of the Catholic
church wholesale slaughtering Protestant Christians. Do you know about the mass
slaughter of the Hugenots in France? Have you never read "Foxes book of
Martyrs"? You must buy that book and read it. I will give you your money
back if you buy that book and read it and do not find it riveting factual
reading.
Bob
PS - Coincidently I just wrote a letter to a Catholic friend of mine tonight that outlines some of my concerns about Catholics. I will email you a copy.
On 9/20/06, Frank Saubier <none...@insightbb.com> wrote:
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From: Frank Saubier <none...@insightbb.com> |
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To: Robert Weinert <rober...@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 20, 2006 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Dear Anne, about Mother Teresa,
I think it is one thing to face the fact that a great many of the elite conspirators against America and proponents of the NWO are Jews. It is also reasonable to be suspicious of any Jew that rises to prominence or power that he may be one of the Jews with the dreaded Zionist views and therefore dangerous to us. It is also valuable to expose their lies and expose individual Jews whose behavior fits the diabolical patterns you outlined.
However, bigotry is when you go over the line and make judgments of individuals based on the "group" they belong to, and you correctly identified that as "sin.". Your comment below wails like so many protestants about God, talking to Him, and sin, etc. while all the time righteously confident that they are not going to Hell. Maybe you can STOP DOING WHAT YOU KNOW TO BE SIN! Imagine that!
And I see you are cultivating a similar but less developed bigotry against Catholics. Your stories of burning protestants is a new one to me and it sure does not fit into anything I have heard. On the other hand, I can imagine that if non-violent, protestant, Puritans burned witches in Salem there is a good chance every group burned witches at some time or another, but that isn't what you meant, I guess. I have never entertained the thought to burn anyone nor heard any such thoughts preached at any Catholic affair or spoken by any Catholic!
Although the Jews consider any criticism of them or even disclosure of unflatering facts about them as bigotry, it is not. So let's do that wherever and whenever, but without bigotry.
Frank
http://members.evansville.net/nonedare/