Re: What if - China had expanded c.1400 and not contracted? Re: Easterns vs Westerns?

[Abrigon Gusiq]

I can see a fleet of Chinese Junks (large ones from report),
sailing to Portugal, and demanding TRIBUTE to the Emperor China
for one.

Not sure if the Infanta of Spain would like being shipped off to
China to marry some pagan Emperor, and be one of his wives, but
... What you do for the Church?

Pope likely would send back a messenger/legate.

Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire would send a like one, to bring
Christianity or atleast counter the Papal offer.

When was the Chinese Fleet? Got to get a time line going?

I do think India and SE Asia would not be happy, but same with
Japan? What you mean we are a secondary Emperor?

I do see trade stations of some sort set up along the coast of
India, Arabia (likely to link up with cross country ones, such
as Egypt and .. who was active at this time, the Ottoman Empire
and the Moghuls and who else? and along Africa. I wonder how
long until they find South America or ...).

Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dragonkat" <dragonk...@yahoo.com>
To: "Fantasy world creation"
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: What if - China had expanded c.1400 and not
contracted? Re: Easterns vs Westerns?



Anybody want th tackle this Subject???

On Jan 31, 2:04 am, Dragonkat <dragonkat2fl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 12:51 pm, Dragonkat <dragonkat2fl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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> > On Jan 11, 10:16 pm, Michael Adams <abri...@gci.net> wrote:
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> > > I do wonder how the world would look like, if the Chinese
had
> > > not pulled back in the c.1400s and become a closed in
country?
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> > > They had sent out massive ships to as far as Madagascar,
and
> > > maybe more, but then suddenly they decided to contract and
be
> > > the "center" of the universe, all cause of the Emperor
having
> > > some confusian dream or ...
>
> > > Rumors still exist that they got as far as the west coast
of
> > > California, and maybe even further. They they like the
later
> > > Japanese contraction, left many colonies across SE Asia
and
> > > places like I remember the Phillipines and else wheres or
...
> > > more info/research needed.
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> > > The Japanese did it after contact with the west, and cause
of
> > > the quick conversion of to much of the country by
Christian
> > > missionaries, they closed the country off. Leaving
colonies
> > > (trade towns/etc) to suffere..
>
> > > Mike
>
> > Suppose Nippon(Japan) and its Samurai didn't stay at home,
> > Invaded Korea & Manchuria (ala WWII but around 1400s),
> > trained more samurai & bushi to KEEP these...
>
> > What If that were the catylist for Chinese Imperialism? Into
> > Indochina, Tibet, Mongolia, Siberia to fill out troops for
the
> > war against the Nipponese Shogunate of Manchuria, which
> > stands (against the odds) because of local samurai and
> > their butchery? Those swords took off heads! Mounted
> > Archers! Cavalry! In thirty years the Shogunate would be
> > Established... compleate with three 'ninja' clans, the mix
> > between truebloods, halfbloods, & Native-blooded samurai
> > being a heirachy of sorts, more horses, and the Shogun's
> > children being at the Imperial Court(s), first in Nippon
true-
> > bloods, then in China w half-native halfbloods fourty years
> > into the occupation...ending the war to cold diplomacy.
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> > China would still be Imperialistic, leaving Siam for later,
&
> > taking India in a simalar manner the English/French did,
> > pitting one against another, only before the 1500s.
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> > I don't know how much of Siberia would be taken, but then
> > China's western march would go to what is now Kazikstan
> > & Afganistan & Pakistan early 1500s...
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> What if Japan/Nippon took over Indonesia/Aulsralia/ Alaska
while China
> expanded on the Mainland? The kingdom of Siam becoming a
shadow
> Shogunate somewhat like Manchuria but with its King...
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