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andrew_hatala
Dec 3, 2008, 3:52:31 PM12/3/08
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Hello Lewis and Class,
The following is a summary of some concerns that arose last night
during class. Please let Prof. Mehl-Madrona or myself know if there
are other issues that have not been addressed.
1) The students wanted an individual breakdown of their final marks so
they can be sure of how their final grades are determined for the
course.
2) There was some mention of the grades being adjusted to meet the
required average of 84. The students were interested in the details of
exactly how this adjustment will be made and this information provided
with a copy of their final grade.
3) There was also some concern about handing in their final papers
over email and wondered if they could set up something in the main
office or on paws to submit papers just incase there are complications
in sending them electronically. Along with this, can students be
emailed back to confirm their final papers have been received if they
do choose to send them by email.
Happy paper writing!!!
The following is a summary of some concerns that arose last night
during class. Please let Prof. Mehl-Madrona or myself know if there
are other issues that have not been addressed.
1) The students wanted an individual breakdown of their final marks so
they can be sure of how their final grades are determined for the
course.
2) There was some mention of the grades being adjusted to meet the
required average of 84. The students were interested in the details of
exactly how this adjustment will be made and this information provided
with a copy of their final grade.
3) There was also some concern about handing in their final papers
over email and wondered if they could set up something in the main
office or on paws to submit papers just incase there are complications
in sending them electronically. Along with this, can students be
emailed back to confirm their final papers have been received if they
do choose to send them by email.
Happy paper writing!!!
Kim Duff
Dec 3, 2008, 4:51:59 PM12/3/08
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andrew_hatala wrote:
>
>Hello Lewis and Class,
>
>The following is a summary of some concerns that arose last night
>during class. Please let Prof. Mehl-Madrona or myself know if there
>are other issues that have not been addressed.
>
>
>
>Hello Lewis and Class,
>
>The following is a summary of some concerns that arose last night
>during class. Please let Prof. Mehl-Madrona or myself know if there
>are other issues that have not been addressed.
>
>
>3) There was also some concern about handing in their final papers
>over email and wondered if they could set up something in the main
>office or on paws to submit papers just incase there are complications
>in sending them electronically. Along with this, can students be
>emailed back to confirm their final papers have been received if they
>do choose to send them by email.
>
>
>Happy paper writing!!!
>
I thought it had been decided that the final drafts would be given to
>over email and wondered if they could set up something in the main
>office or on paws to submit papers just incase there are complications
>in sending them electronically. Along with this, can students be
>emailed back to confirm their final papers have been received if they
>do choose to send them by email.
>
>
>Happy paper writing!!!
>
you Andrew, and you would send them by postal mail to the address Lewis
provides? (although i have to admit since this was decided I've been
worrying about whether this would work because Lewis never seems to
stay in any one place long enough to be where he would say he was going
to be if he did provide an address.)
Kim
>>
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Shélah
Dec 11, 2008, 9:47:44 PM12/11/08
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I was just wondering if Lewis has a list of those of us who went to
the sweat so that we actually get our participation marks. Has this
been posted somewhere else? I haven't been on much, so I may have
missed it.
the sweat so that we actually get our participation marks. Has this
been posted somewhere else? I haven't been on much, so I may have
missed it.
Lewis MehlMadrona
Dec 11, 2008, 11:28:30 PM12/11/08
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Here's my understanding of what will happen.
Once you submit your papers or the deadline passes, I will begin grading them. I am commenting on papers now and sending them back for revisions. I will add up the posts and the credits for the other activities after the December 15th deadline. (Am I remembering correctly that this is the deadline?)
If you are concerned about my knowing who went to the sweat, why don't you send me a tally from everyone who went so we can make sure it jives with my tally.
I believe that the Psychology Department agreed to time date and stamp the papers before you send them to me. I personally don't think that's necessary, because I'm not a "hard ass" and understand the exigencies of technology, but if you wish to do this, please do.
I prefer email because that's simple and it works, especially now that I changed my filer to 480 instead of Psych 480. But if you want to snail mail them, you can send them to P.O. Box 861714, Wahiawa, HI 96786, USA.
Kim is correct that I have been traveling some since I left Canada, but I have been checking my Vermont P.O. Box every week. However, I will leave Vermont on December 17th, and if you snail mail your paper to Vermont, I won't see it again until I return to the area on January 16th for a weekend workshop.
I'm uncertain why you don't trust emai,l or me, for that matter, to be understanding if there is a glitch in technology. I've never met a group of people (or the subset of you who are worried) so worried about their grades.
Once I have all your papers, I will spell it all out so that you can micro-dissect and argue endlessly if you wish about the marks. I suppose some of you will be happy and some won't. That's usually the way it goes.
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Once you submit your papers or the deadline passes, I will begin grading them. I am commenting on papers now and sending them back for revisions. I will add up the posts and the credits for the other activities after the December 15th deadline. (Am I remembering correctly that this is the deadline?)
If you are concerned about my knowing who went to the sweat, why don't you send me a tally from everyone who went so we can make sure it jives with my tally.
I believe that the Psychology Department agreed to time date and stamp the papers before you send them to me. I personally don't think that's necessary, because I'm not a "hard ass" and understand the exigencies of technology, but if you wish to do this, please do.
I prefer email because that's simple and it works, especially now that I changed my filer to 480 instead of Psych 480. But if you want to snail mail them, you can send them to P.O. Box 861714, Wahiawa, HI 96786, USA.
Kim is correct that I have been traveling some since I left Canada, but I have been checking my Vermont P.O. Box every week. However, I will leave Vermont on December 17th, and if you snail mail your paper to Vermont, I won't see it again until I return to the area on January 16th for a weekend workshop.
I'm uncertain why you don't trust emai,l or me, for that matter, to be understanding if there is a glitch in technology. I've never met a group of people (or the subset of you who are worried) so worried about their grades.
Once I have all your papers, I will spell it all out so that you can micro-dissect and argue endlessly if you wish about the marks. I suppose some of you will be happy and some won't. That's usually the way it goes.
Lewis
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Kim Duff
Dec 12, 2008, 3:08:26 AM12/12/08
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It's not the grades per se, as much as it is the education. And the
reason we have these expectations are because they are what the
department demands of us. We are expected to develop critical thinking
skills as well as other (sorry, i'm blanking out...iv'e been working on
my paper all day and am ratehr worn out.) The reason or extent that we
are worried about grading is because we don't have any other way of
judging how the department is going to think we did in the course, and
what our abilities are. (which in ordinary circumstances would actually
mean something about the class, but in this case, doesn't.) Transcripts
do end up being important in the future for jobs and admittance to grad
school etc. Also, I think, (and it's just IMO) that some of us who
still ahve the energy for such things, and who are concerned about the
value of our education have gone from worrying about learnign comething
in the course, to worrying about how those who were not invovled int eh
course are going to see our 'accomplishments' in the course. which is
to say, worrying about learning to worrying about the formal transcript
stuff. Given that there is no exam, and we've never really understood
what was happening at any moment in the class, some of us have needed
something to focus our concerns on.
...And some of us have been, and/or are waay too burned out to care any
more and have long since given up spending any emotional energy on the
subject at all, and just focused on getting the stuff done necessary
for the formal completion of the course so that we can get it over with
and get on with next term and the rest of our careers.
Kim
reason we have these expectations are because they are what the
department demands of us. We are expected to develop critical thinking
skills as well as other (sorry, i'm blanking out...iv'e been working on
my paper all day and am ratehr worn out.) The reason or extent that we
are worried about grading is because we don't have any other way of
judging how the department is going to think we did in the course, and
what our abilities are. (which in ordinary circumstances would actually
mean something about the class, but in this case, doesn't.) Transcripts
do end up being important in the future for jobs and admittance to grad
school etc. Also, I think, (and it's just IMO) that some of us who
still ahve the energy for such things, and who are concerned about the
value of our education have gone from worrying about learnign comething
in the course, to worrying about how those who were not invovled int eh
course are going to see our 'accomplishments' in the course. which is
to say, worrying about learning to worrying about the formal transcript
stuff. Given that there is no exam, and we've never really understood
what was happening at any moment in the class, some of us have needed
something to focus our concerns on.
...And some of us have been, and/or are waay too burned out to care any
more and have long since given up spending any emotional energy on the
subject at all, and just focused on getting the stuff done necessary
for the formal completion of the course so that we can get it over with
and get on with next term and the rest of our careers.
Kim
Gord
Dec 12, 2008, 11:36:42 AM12/12/08
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Yep, Dec. 15th is the deadline.
As for anxiety about grades, blame the psychology department...
they've turned us into animals, haha. Education is a competition, you
know. I think another reason may be that it is pretty difficult to get
into grad school for psychology, so if you are a serious student in
psychology (like most are in the class since it is a seminar class)
then you probably realize that a BA in psychology isn't particularly
useful. So, in other words, lots of us want to get into grad school
(or social work, or some other program, or whatever) and, based on how
competitive it is, a number of us may not make it. Juxtapose this with
the fact that we're competing with each other to get into grad schools
and yah. I guess what I'm saying that a lot of the anxiety you're
seeing is fairly warranted. We're normally good people, we're anxious
about grades out of necessity. Blame the system man, blame the system.
As for anxiety about grades, blame the psychology department...
they've turned us into animals, haha. Education is a competition, you
know. I think another reason may be that it is pretty difficult to get
into grad school for psychology, so if you are a serious student in
psychology (like most are in the class since it is a seminar class)
then you probably realize that a BA in psychology isn't particularly
useful. So, in other words, lots of us want to get into grad school
(or social work, or some other program, or whatever) and, based on how
competitive it is, a number of us may not make it. Juxtapose this with
the fact that we're competing with each other to get into grad schools
and yah. I guess what I'm saying that a lot of the anxiety you're
seeing is fairly warranted. We're normally good people, we're anxious
about grades out of necessity. Blame the system man, blame the system.
Lewis MehlMadrona
Dec 12, 2008, 12:08:24 PM12/12/08
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That would be consistent with my narrative approach -- that there are no bad people, only bad stories and dysfunctional contexts.
It was so much different at Stanford when I was there. I guess I do tend to grade like we were graded at Stanford. The courses were thick as in lots to do but if you did everything, you got an A. No curves. I suppose that's why an A at Stanford is treated as an 88 at the U of Sask.
The syllabus was a contract as in you go this and you get an A.
Who was the rock group who have the song, "All we are is rats on a wheel."
Lewis
It was so much different at Stanford when I was there. I guess I do tend to grade like we were graded at Stanford. The courses were thick as in lots to do but if you did everything, you got an A. No curves. I suppose that's why an A at Stanford is treated as an 88 at the U of Sask.
The syllabus was a contract as in you go this and you get an A.
Who was the rock group who have the song, "All we are is rats on a wheel."
Lewis
dwr...@mail.usask.ca
Dec 12, 2008, 1:04:01 PM12/12/08
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I whole-heartedly agrre with Gord; it's the system that breeds anxiety
and competition. I think it's a shame but it is, nonetheless, the
state of affairs.
Anyway, as for the Sweat Lodge tally, I (Danny) was there. Another
good way to find out who went would be to read teh thread on the sweat
experience.
On Dec 12, 11:08 am, "Lewis MehlMadrona" <mehlmadr...@gmail.com>
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and competition. I think it's a shame but it is, nonetheless, the
state of affairs.
Anyway, as for the Sweat Lodge tally, I (Danny) was there. Another
good way to find out who went would be to read teh thread on the sweat
experience.
On Dec 12, 11:08 am, "Lewis MehlMadrona" <mehlmadr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Kara
Dec 12, 2008, 1:15:09 PM12/12/08
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Lewis, I was also at the sweat but I agree with Danny, just read the
thread on the sweat experience. I also agree that it's the system
that has trained us to be so competitive and have anxiety over marks!
It may be unfortunate but it's true.
thread on the sweat experience. I also agree that it's the system
that has trained us to be so competitive and have anxiety over marks!
It may be unfortunate but it's true.
Marisha
Dec 12, 2008, 1:28:55 PM12/12/08
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Lewis, I too was at the sweat. I also posted about my experience on
the thread as well.
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the thread as well.
Heather
Dec 12, 2008, 3:05:09 PM12/12/08
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Gord I couldn;t have said it any better then you. I was never an
anxious person untill I entered university. For that matter until I
actually started to get good grades. Life was so much easier when all
I need was a 52 to pass a class! Oh well, I guess we should learn to
love the process of learning and not concentrate on the resutls, as my
mother would say. i still haven't figured out how to do this
Lewis I was also at the sweat.
Heather
anxious person untill I entered university. For that matter until I
actually started to get good grades. Life was so much easier when all
I need was a 52 to pass a class! Oh well, I guess we should learn to
love the process of learning and not concentrate on the resutls, as my
mother would say. i still haven't figured out how to do this
Lewis I was also at the sweat.
Heather
Sippie
Dec 12, 2008, 5:00:46 PM12/12/08
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I was also at the sweat!
Lewis MehlMadrona
Dec 12, 2008, 9:17:00 PM12/12/08
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Thanks for confirming the tally that I already had. At least it's accurate. It's sad that everyone gets so anxious over grades that you stop having fun learning. I think I prefer the American system, because by and large, we're not expected to have a curve. It's ok for everyone to do well. Or it's ok for everyone to do poorly, which happens occasionally, but is often blamed on the teacher. The idea is that a good teacher inspires the students to do well. The philosophy behind curves is actually disturbing when you think about it.
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Andrei Vinogradov
Dec 12, 2008, 9:52:42 PM12/12/08
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Yes, the philosophy behind the curve is quite
disturbing. Mark Twain also pointed it out.
Shélah
Dec 12, 2008, 10:51:44 PM12/12/08
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I was also at the sweat.
And several of us have reiterated several times that it is not the
grades we are concerned about, but the lack of any structure and
learning.
And several of us have reiterated several times that it is not the
grades we are concerned about, but the lack of any structure and
learning.
Andrei Vinogradov
Dec 13, 2008, 2:16:41 AM12/13/08
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Bell curve reminds me of an anthill. Oh
well...
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Melissa
Dec 13, 2008, 1:35:36 PM12/13/08
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Hey! I just wanted to confirm that I attended the sweat. Also, since
we're kind of discussing this, I wanted to let Heather know that I
sympathize with her- it's so hard to stop focussing on your grades
when you're used to doing really well academically. I'm used to
depending on numerical grades to validate that I learned something in
a class, even though I know that's ridiculous. I still struggle
sometimes to separate my self worth from the work that I do. Scary.
Also, Lewis, I really hate to ask this because I know that you gave us
a huge extention already, but if my paper happened to be handed in a
day late would you still grade it? If not I totally understand, I was
just wondering.
Lewis MehlMadrona
Dec 13, 2008, 3:34:18 PM12/13/08
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How about a little Christmas bonus for all of you. My new book has to be at the publisher on December 17th. I won't have time to read any papers until the morning of 18 December. Let's consider 2359 on 17th December as the new final deadline. Does that work for everyone?
Lewis
Lewis
Kim Duff
Dec 13, 2008, 9:37:58 PM12/13/08
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Given that I'm going to have to make use of the deadline extension part
of my accommodation anyways, it works for me. (not that I'll probably
get it done till at least the 19th, but.. <shrug>
Kim
of my accommodation anyways, it works for me. (not that I'll probably
get it done till at least the 19th, but.. <shrug>
Kim
Christine
Dec 14, 2008, 11:43:53 AM12/14/08
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That's really nice of you Lewis, but I wish I would've known before I
scrambled to finish my paper before my 2 finals in a row. Oh well.
What's your new book about?
> >immediately (reply e-mail) at mehlmadr...@gmail.com.
scrambled to finish my paper before my 2 finals in a row. Oh well.
What's your new book about?
Steffi Kynoch
Dec 14, 2008, 11:52:40 AM12/14/08
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Thanks for the couple extra days Lewis. I am also curious to know what
the new book is about. I also just wanted to let you know that I was
at the sweat.
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the new book is about. I also just wanted to let you know that I was
at the sweat.
Melissa
Dec 14, 2008, 12:07:13 PM12/14/08
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Thanks for the extension, Lewis. It has significantly reduced my level
of panic,haha.
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of panic,haha.
elise.m...@usask.ca
Dec 14, 2008, 3:16:58 PM12/14/08
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I attended another cultural event in place of the sweat.
I was sick and did not attend one class.
I was sick and did not attend one class.
Kim Duff
Dec 14, 2008, 4:36:27 PM12/14/08
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Since we're on the topic... given that the sweat is part of the class
participation marks and you've already said I'm excluded from that
requirement, it shouldn't matter that I wasn't able to attend the
sweat, especially since it was for disability reasons. However, in any
case, I think my contributions to this list have more than made up for
any lack of other types of participation.
participation marks and you've already said I'm excluded from that
requirement, it shouldn't matter that I wasn't able to attend the
sweat, especially since it was for disability reasons. However, in any
case, I think my contributions to this list have more than made up for
any lack of other types of participation.
Kim
Heather
Dec 14, 2008, 5:48:31 PM12/14/08
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I also thank you for the extension.
Sippie
Dec 15, 2008, 3:57:48 PM12/15/08
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Yes! Thanks you Lewis!!!
(This is probably just another excuse for me to procrastinate, but it
does make me feel much easier for today!)
Sippie
(This is probably just another excuse for me to procrastinate, but it
does make me feel much easier for today!)
Sippie
andrew hatala
Dec 15, 2008, 4:17:15 PM12/15/08
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No sorry Kim, It was decided to email your papers to Lewis, or submit them online to paws if the hand in folder has been created. I imagine the best is to email...
Regards,
Lewis MehlMadrona
Dec 23, 2008, 6:32:46 PM12/23/08
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The new book is called Narrative Psychiatry: healing mind and brain in a social world. If anyone wants to read any of the chapters, I'll post the table of contents and you can pick one, but I expect your critique of me just as I critique your papers.
Lewis
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