How To Train Your Dragon 3 English Audio Track
Blanche Bunnell
I am speaking of a LTP concert (also known as the 'film-with-live-orchestra' concerts) where every music-cue from that concert is performed on stage by an orchestra without the film and its audio track. If any orchestra would be crazy enough to do it, would you buy a ticket for it?
Of course I would. We all love listening to complete scores on CD, why wouldn't we love experiencing complete scores performed live?
The general public, however, wouldn't go to that, so they'd never turn a profit
I would potentially go to a concert where they played music from just one movie (like bands sometimes do, i.e. play full albums), but it would have be re-conceptualized for listening. However, I would always prefer 'normal' concerts with normal suites and themes.
No. They wouldn't go at all, or they'd leave much earlier once they realise their "mistake". *If* they stay despite not seeing a film and not hearing and dialogue/sfx, why would they live during the credits? Half of them wouldn't even notice when the credits begin.
There are of course lots of arguments that can be made for (various levels of) re-conceptualisation for the album, and also lots that can be made against it. Suites are fine (just like suites from stage music, or sometimes from operas, are fine for concerts - unless they come at the expense of never performing actual full composition). But the reduction of complex narrative compositions to a roster of "themes" is possibly the biggest injustice that has been, and still is being, done to the art of film music.
I meant that the portion of the general public that has been going to these LTP concerts--with the sound and the projected image--who would leave during end credits would not be the audience for a concert where every music-cue from a film score would be played on stage without the film or its sound.
True. And good riddance, if someday we should be so lucky to enjoy these concerts - with our without film & sound - without people who (badly) treat it like a cinema presentation and keep talking and making a racket during the whole concert.
I love themes as well. But so many of these concerts reduce entire scores to "themes" (and if the theme arrangements are too extensive, they shorten them - looking at you, Hollywood in Vienna, and your removing the B section from Horner's TWOK).
Williams fares better in this regard because his "theme" arrangements are already little suites that usually contain most of the primary material of the score, and present it in a rounded fashion. But that's not the norm. The Goldsmith LSO concerts of the early 2000s benefitted a lot from him performing lengthy suites comprised of all the major cues rather than just themes, at least of some of the scores he presented.
What about having the film with the visuals and audio track, but no live orchestra? The film would be projected onto a large screen, with the accompanying audio track (featuring previously recorded dialogue, music and sound effects) played over speakers strategically placed throughout the facility. Prior to the commencement of the main program, they could show short glimpses of other upcoming programs which would highlight various segments from those programs, accompanied by loud, yet compelling electronic music.
Yes. The OP is asking if people on this forum would enjoy going to a concert where a complete score is played from start to end. But I agree the main post is confusingly worded and set up, by drawing parallels to current live to projection concerts, which this wouldn't be.
You mean, the music is played live, by an orchestra? That could work. Only thing is you have to take into consideration the cost of tickets, transportation, overnight stay, food and drink, and then throw in $300 spending money - at least.
Why should I spend all that to hear, say, an inferior orchestra ('cause you don't know what you're going to get until you sit down), perform, say, SUPERMAN, when I can listen to the LSO perform it in my lounge, anytime I want?
Why should I spend all that to hear, say, an inferior orchestra ('cause you don't know what you're going to get until you sit down), perform, say, SUPERMAN, when I can listen to the LSO perform it in my lounge, anytime I want?
My ideal LtP concert would probably be one where the orchestra plays while the film is silent, but you got given a radio which you could listen to if you wish and which included the dialogue/sound effects with the live orchestra mixed in.
The difference is that with the film, you're tied to exact film tempi, little margin for errors (or preventing them) or interpretation, and mostly to edits made to the film after the score has been written. And of course to all the downtimes where there is no music in the film at all. Doing it without the film at all allows you the perform the full score (not just a considerable shortened suite) as pure music, with all the freedom of a live concert performance.
I agree that musically, I'd love to hear some of the greatest scores without the film. Even if they were abridged to like 40-60 minutes with just major cues (or even just doing the soundtrack album programs honestly) it'd still be a real luxury to hear a more extensive concert than the usual 15 minute suites.
The headphones idea isn't a bad compromise, I wonder how the economics of that would work. They would probably try to incentivize people somehow to pay more for headphones. Gallery doesn't get them or something. Or I guess just raise prices across the board.
I'd be most interested in a concert where they literally performed the entire score chronologically, as written, i.e. no film edits. No alternates, but otherwise C&C. Maybe use a concert suite or two as we return from intermission.
But a live-to-picture concert, hold the picture? I mean...I'd go, and I'd have a great time, but I'd lament the replicated edits, trackings, omissions, etc. It's like releasing an album; I want them to either expertly curate an abridged set of selections or just give me the whole thing as it was originally recorded.
I've mentioned elsewhere: The only "live score" that I've seen was The Empire Strikes Back. I really felt it was a waste of my time and money. Between the horrible edits for the Special Edition crap and the fact that the audience GOT UP AND LEFT DURING THE CREDITS, it was a bad day. Seriously?!? Who pays $50 - and that was the cheap seats! - and gets up while the orchestra is still playing?!?
I got to see a "Star Wars vs. Star Trek" concert with the Phoenix Symphony a few years ago. It was unreal how much joy that brought me. Who knew how great it would be to hear Goldsmith's Ba'ku Village live? And Horner's Epilogue from Wrath of Khan was just bliss.
I can only imagine what it would be like to hear Star Wars or Star Trek: The Motion Picture live in their entirety. Or Superman. Or How to Train Your Dragon. I think How to Train Your Dragon 2 would kill me.
I've demuxed an audio commentary track from a DVD release of a movie. My plan is to mux this commentary track back into a Blu-Ray version of the movie. However, the problem is that the Blu-Ray is 4 minutes and 15 seconds longer than the original.
Therefore, I want to edit the original audio track so that it is gradually stretched out to accommodate the extra few minutes of footage, ensuring that it doesn't cut out before the movie does. However, I also need to make sure that doing so doesn't alter the sound too much.
You may be able to minimise or even entirely eliminate this change of pitch by determining the delay to be added, manually adding it using Audacity's Silence filter and then using the Change Speed filter, but because I was dealing with a relatively unimportant audio commentary track, a slightly deeper pitch wasn't enough of a deal-breaker for me to warrant spending the extra time on.
Chances are that your newly-stretched audio track will now be out of sync with your original video stream. Due to the stretched audio no longer matching the timestamps of the original video, it'll be impossible to sync both together as precisely as the original. This makes the entire process of stretching audio to fit a video unsuitable for millisecond-dependent audio content like dubs, but it can be sufficient enough for scores and audio commentaries once adequately synced up.
Note that the rest of this guide assumes that you're muxing the stretched audio track along with the original video stream into an .mkv container. If muxing to a container other than .mkv, you'll need to look for a tool that supports adding a delay to that container.
Once installed, launch MKVToolNix GUI. Click Add Source Files to import any streams you want to mux into your output video, making sure to include your original video stream and the audio track you stretched in Audacity. Once the stretched audio track appears in the list of tracks to be muxed into the output video, select it.
Note that the exact value you need to enter here will be entirely dependent on your video, so will take some trial-and-error to determine. I recommend first muxing your stretched audio track into the video with no delay, then watching the resulting output to determine how much of a delay is needed to sync up the stretched audio with what you see on-screen.
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