meet

[Raymond Noyce]

hi id like to ask how is the best way to actualy meet others like minded id love to find a female who shares my passion but i am realistic to realise this is not going to happen and as i feel guilty enough already im unsure how to even get the courage to meet others . so its like a vicouse circle ray

[Randy Johnson]

Ray,

First, let go of teh guilt.  It is a useless emotion.  Do you feel guilty because you enjoy your favorite flavor of ice cream?  Do you feel guilty because you enjoy sexual activity?  Because you enjoy diapers is no reason to be overcome by guilt.
 
Second, the only way I know how to meet people who are like minded is to go onto the sites and enter into chats, check profiles, when you find someone you might be interested in, make contact.  No need to feel guilty about wearing diapers as everyone on that site is there because of the same reason.

Randy

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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:38:10 +0000
From: noyce...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: meet
To: abdl-s...@googlegroups.com

hi id like to ask how is the best way to actualy meet others like minded id love to find a female who shares my passion but i am realistic to realise this is not going to happen and as i feel guilty enough already im unsure how to even get the courage to meet others . so its like a vicouse circle ray

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[Raymond Noyce]

thanks that hekps lots ray --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Randy Johnson <gayno...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[Terry]

Hi Ray,

Good advice there from Randy, I have to agree on the profiles. You
need to do as I said in my email to you - create your own profile and
don't feel ashamed or guilty of what you write. Put down exactly what
you enjoy.

Lets face it if I'm looking for possible people to contact, I look for
full profiles - a name on it's own means nothing. In fact just take a
look at Randy's and my profile so you see what I mean. Other people
looking for possible contacts will also be looking for a good profile,
so if you don't have one they'll pass you by until they find someone
who does.

Terry

[Raymond Noyce]

thanks for the mail it helps would u like to keep in touch

--- On Thu, 15/1/09, Randy Johnson <gayno...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Randy Johnson <gayno...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: meet To: abdl-s...@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 15 January, 2009, 1:14 AM

[Randy Johnson]

Raymond,
I'm glad my response was helpful to you.  You may contact me any time, I'm here to help in any way I can.
 
Randy

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:42:39 +0000
From: noyce...@yahoo.co.uk

Subject: RE: meet
To: abdl-s...@googlegroups.com

thanks for the mail it helps would u like to keep in touch --- On Thu, 15/1/09, Randy Johnson <gayno...@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Randy Johnson <gayno...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: meet To: abdl-s...@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 15 January, 2009, 1:14 AM Ray, First, let go of teh guilt.  It is a useless emotion.  Do you feel guilty because you enjoy your favorite flavor of ice cream?  Do you feel guilty because you enjoy sexual activity?  Because you enjoy diapers is no reason to be overcome by guilt.   Second, the only way I know how to meet people who are like minded is to go onto the sites and enter into chats, check profiles, when you find someone you might be interested in, make contact.  No need to feel guilty about wearing diapers as everyone on that site is there because of the same reason. Randy Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:38:10 +0000 From: noyce...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: meet To: abdl-s...@googlegroups.com hi id like to ask how is the best way to actualy meet others like minded id love to find a female who shares my passion but i am realistic to realise this is not going to happen and as i feel guilty enough already im unsure how to even get the courage to meet others . so its like a vicouse circle ray </table

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[Raymond Noyce]

thanks is it right to ask if u have any pics  or should i not ask and can i inquire where your from and how u got into being an ab/dl ray

[Randy Johnson]

Ray,
Yes, i have pics which can be seen on Diaper-Bois [diaperlvr], DL-Boy[ [diaperedinftl], ABY [diaperrog], and RUPadded [diaperedinftl].  I line in Ft. Lauderdale, FL.  My boyfriend wears diapers and introduced me to them.  i have worn every day since.
 
Randy 

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[Terry]

Hi Ray,

I see you've created a profile, which is a good start. The only thing
I'd be inclined to add is where your interterests lie. I know you're
a DL, and also that you like ladies underwear etc: so those sort of
things should appear in your profile, so others can see what you
enjoy. It's all very well to say you want to meet others, but unless
they can see what sort of person you are and what you like in the way
of fetishes, they won't give the response you really want.

I'm sure Randy will back me up in what I say on that. If you look at
Randy's profile (Baby Rog) and my own profile you'll see what we've
put down. Neither of us have been embarrassed in saying what we enjoy
on our profiles, and although I can't speak for Randy I've definitely
made a lot of friends through it, and have met a few guys (and
females) and I'm still in touch with them and we still meet up
occasionally.

Anyway, don't take it to heart, you've made a good start, and please
feel free to keep in touch with Randy or me anytime.

Terry

[Randy]

For what it is worth, i agree with Terry. The more you can say about
yourself and your likes, the more chances you will have to meet
others. Go for it, Ray!!!!!!!

[sleazpig]

I would fully agree with what has been said you should be true to
YOURSELF life is for enjoying and once you accept yourself you will
find things so much easier.

Brian

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[Alice]

hi, randy,

from what i've read so far, there's a lot of good advice here.

i also had hopes of someday meeting an understanding female, who would
accept my diaper wearing and dressing in feminine attire. but, in my
case, it was before there was an internet. so, also being realistic, i
went on enjoying my diapered and dressed lifestyle. then, one day,
while taking a break under a shade tree from riding my bike ride. a
young lady took notice of my diapers sticking out from the leg
openings of my shorts, and came up to let me know.

had i not been comfortable with openly wearing diapers and dressing as
a girl. do you know what i probably would have done? instead, my
comfort and confidence came through in my response to her. and as i
was thanking her for being so considerate, she began to notice i
wasn't really a (gg) female. but, as she would later tell me, i had
made her feel secure enough, to ask me why i was diapered and dressed
as a girl. from that answer, to another and another. we spent more
than two hours getting to know each other.

we've been "married with children" for more than 15 years now. and,
although i've had to let go of my previous t-gurl lifestyle, and
adjust to living in a male personna. i still enjoy being diapered
24/7, and at various times wearing much of my favourite feminine
attire. all with my wife's knowledge and support.

i can share more details and answer any questions you care to ask.
just email me direct at: alanali...@netscape.net i'm not ashamed,
nor easily offended either. i look forward to hearing from you, and
anyone else who shares similar interests and desires.

oh, and as for that "guilt" you feel. after meeting and corresponding
with so many others, i've come to the conclusion that it has a lot to
do with how you were raised, starting with you having been potty
trained. i've had some good success helping many others get over that
"guilt" feeling, as well as several other of those "silly inhibitions"
i was fortunate enough, to never have aquired. so, let me know if
you're interested in learning how to deal with that too.

God Bless and keep you safe.

a. alice scott

[Randy Johnson]

Alice,
Nice story.  Thanks for sharing it.  i'm sure it will be of help to people who are struggling.
 
Randy
 
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:53:41 -0800
> Subject: Re: meet
> From: alanali...@netscape.net
> To: abdl-s...@googlegroups.com

[Terry]

Hi Alice,

I agree entirely with Randy, I'm sure your positive outlook and
ultimate success will be a definite aid to those who are struggling to
get to terms with the fetish and also their partners and friends who
may not understand the fetish. I thank you for sharing your story
with us, and it truly makes good reading. It shows there is hope for
everyone, even those who think differently at the moment.

Terry

[Raymond Noyce]

great to read but im full of guilt my wife knows but thinks im a perv and realy adds to the guilt i feel respectfully ray eagerly await your reply

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, Randy Johnson <gayno...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Randy Johnson <gayno...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: meet To: abdl-s...@googlegroups.com

[Terry]

Hi Ray,

I know it's much easier said than done, but you have to let go that
feeling of guilt. You're doing nothing wrong and you're definitely
not a pervert - so don't even think it: Dismiss that feeling
altogether. It's just a fetish and as anyone will tell you a fetish
takes a hold of people in different ways and it's not something you
will shake off (not that you want to anyway). I appreciate that you
say your wife knows, and that just adds to the guilt, but as long as
she doesn't try to prevent you from enjoying the fetish it's really
just a case of letting anything she says go in one ear and out the
other. Once again, I know that's not so easy because if you're
anything like the guy I think you are you have a lot of respect for
your wife and don't want to upset or offend her.

As I've said previously in respect of you wanting to get to know
others and hopefully meet up. The secret partially is in your
profile, you really need to put more into it, and then try contacting
others you see in the group (or other groups) by looking at their
profiles and if they sound the sort of person you want to correpsond
with or eventually meet - make yourself known. Only contact those who
have a good full profile, because those will be the sort of people who
are more outgoing and less secretive of their fetsih. There are
hundreds of people out there who are just like you, even to feeling
the same way and evetually you will get to know some of them and then
your fetish will take off and you'll begin thinking much more
positively about it. So my advice is get on that computer, improve
and expand your profile and start sending emails to a few people you
see in the groups you belong to.

Terry

[Abhrams]

hi Terry and Randy

i typed this with a psp so sorry about any errors. i like
diapers too. i am14 as of 4/14. i started thinking about them when i
was eleven. it gradually got worse now i sneak my 9 year cousins
pullups and just sit in the bathroom. now i feel like i need to take
some. i know my parents would never understand i would probably want
to kill myself if they found out. for some reason i wish iwas a girl

[Terry]

Hi,

Firstly, no need to apologise about any errors. I'm so glad you've
come out in the open with your feelings, but I'm treading carefully on
what I say. There's no disgrace in liking diapers, and no doubt the
fetish will in fact grow more over time. Personally I see nothing
wrong in what you do, but my concern is your age. You say you're 14
which technically means you're not above the legal age to make any
descisions or be out of your parents control, so you really have to be
careful. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising you and I'm not
going to say the obvious that you shouldn't really be looking at these
groups (although again technically, that is the case).

I'll finish by saying that providing you are careful and do all you
can to keep the fetish to yourself (until you're 18) the better it
will be. I don't think for a minute you're the only 'under aged'
person to feel the same way, and if it's any consolation there is no
shame in enjoying diapers. If you really feel that strongly about
getting more, all I can suggest is buy some with what pocket money you
have from the local chemist or store, on one would question who they
are for, and providing you can hide them in some way - enjoy
yourself. It's possible to hide them somewhere I'm sure, I managed to
hide several pairs of plastic pants from my parents for a few years.

Please feel free to keep in touch with me if you want. I'm always
here for you, and will always 'support' you in any way I can.

Terry



Terry

[Abhrams]

i really want to thank you for rejecting me for my age, i know doing
that wasn't right, so far there has been nothing bad or inapropiate
about these messages. it's just i wanted to tell people who have
similar fetishes as i do. Please don't think im some dumb kid or
something i would practicaly do anything to help me understand about
my fetish. how do you think i should confront a friend about my
fetish. your the first person i have ever told about my fetish.

[Abhrams]

i meant not rejecting me for my age sorry about that. and about the
blank message i tried to see if i could correct the first one sorry
Terry

[Terry]

Hi Abhrams,

I see no reason to reject you, I think doing so would be very
Victorian of me and wouldn't achieve anything. As I see it regardless
of what I say or did, you'd still continue with the fetish anyway.
Don't worry about the blank message (I've deleted that for you now).

Don't run yourself down, I know you're not just some dumb kid. I
think that you're acting in a very mature way in what you're saying
and doing, and I admire you in that respect.

With the question on how to confront a friend of yours about the
fetish, I'd ask myself a few questions first.
1) Unless you think they would understand or be interested, why would
you want to tell them.
2) Not everyone understands, and just possibly they may think you
extremely weird and 'reject' you for it.
3) Can you trust the person sufficiently that they wouldn't go around
telling everyone - this could end up in you being ridiculed.
4) If the person concerned finds it objectionable or offensive, are
you prepared to stand by your feelings and not feel some pervert who
needs to go 'underground' with the fetish, to keep it some sort of
secret for countless years.

If after answering those question you still feel you want to confide
in this person let me know and I'll give you a few suggestions.

Terry

[randy]

Abhrams,
I'm sorry I have been out of touch lately -- busy at work. But upon
reading your post and Terry's responses, i concur completely with
everything he has said. I can't add anything more at the moment.
Just know we are here for you.
Randy

[Abhrams]

No need to be sorry Randy we are all busy at some point. Terry i'll
take your advice and not tell my friend. Is there any way to know
when somebody is an abdl, like by there characteristics or by their
physical appearance.
Both of you are really good at helping people with their fetishes.

[Terry]

Hi Abhrams,

So glad you appreciate what Randy and I do, we've both set ourselves
up to help people like you, so it's a pleasure to help you.

I think for the time being, it's a good idea not to tell your friend,
I wouldn't like to think you lost your friendship due to him/her not
understanding.

No, there is no way anyone can tell an AB/DL by appearance or
characteristics, and I think at the age you are you're unlikely to
meet many (if any) in your age group. I will email you privately a
little later with some personal observations which may help you in
time.

Terry

[Abhrams]

Would you mind me asking, how far or how powerful will your fetishes
go. And would i be able to know which email address your sending the
message to. you can always send amessage to our abdl group because
then Randy's the only one who can read it.

[Terry]

Hi again Abhrams,

That's not an easy question to answer, fetishes do affect people in
different ways. Some (like myself) find it gets stronger and stronger
and almost to the point of being something they have to do in some way
every day. Others can live with it and only indulge when they want
and it's not something which has to be with them 24/7. I'm not sure
it's something any individual can control, but tend to think the more
you do indulge in the fetish the more of a hold it takes on you.

Also in my case (and plenty of others) one fetish leads to another, so
in my case loving plastic pants/diapers led to me wetting myself in
them, and it's now got to where I love wetting myself in anything I
wear, and if you want the honest truth: I do usually wet myself every
day and love to stay wet for many hours.

I've only sent you one private email and that was sent to the address
you use for these groups. I can send anything to your other group if
you wish or to another email address of your choice - let me know.

Terry

[Wet Marie]

Abhrams, Hi. It was the last sentence of your post that jumped out at
me. "for some reason i wish i was a girl". As a post-op transsexual
woman who knew as early as I can remember that very thought. For me
though it wasn't a wish, no for me I KNEW I was a girl. Its one thing
to enjoy a sexual fetish or kink because as one when going about ones
daily life it normally is not seen. You enjoy it and thats no ones
business, just your's if you do not share it openly. Now however when
one feels he is a gender that is not the one assigned and then
demanded they be at birth its not so easy to hide. I know, life for me
as a child and growing up was hell at times. I will say it was the
50's and 60's and things have changed but it still can be a hell out
there. Please seek out help, friendly help. How serious is this wish
or feeling you have? Is it truly a feeling you are a girl, I am trying
to say, just how deep is this feeling. I am here if you have
questions.

Michelle Marie

[Abhrams]

hi, wet marie
i dont really why i feel like being a girl. Right now it's not
that bad, but, I believe it will get stronger.

[Terry]

Hi Abhrams,

I agree entirely with Wet Marie with all she says. I know a few
transsexuals who all say exactly the same, and lets face it they can't
all be wrong. OK, I'm no authority on the subject, and I've never
felt that way so it's not for me to comment, but having said that if
your feelings of wanting to be a girl are deeply embedded in you then
please do as Marie says and seek help.

Nature deals some strange blows at times, and some 'girls' are born in
a 'male' body, so don't think it's anything to be ashamed of or
anything to hide. It's a fairly serious thing, and unless you are the
gender you feel you should be you'll never come to terms with it.

To finish, I feel as if I know Marie quite well, we've spoken in depth
online and believe me she is a very genuine person who you can trust.
She and I have become good friends over the months - probably closer
to a year now (I'm sure she'll vouch for that), so I know she'd be
more than happy to hear from you and help where she can.

Terry

[Abhrams]

hello,
Really all it is the thought of what being a girl feels like,
but, it is most likely another fetish and will get stronger.

[Abhrams]

hi again,
If you don't mind me asking what are you toos fetishes. what
really is a fetish why does it grow and do you know what types of
fetishes there are? Sorry about all my questions.

[Terry]

Hi Abhrams,

No problem in asking any questions you like, I'll gladly answer
anything you ask. It's good to have an enquiring mind, so keep the
questions coming.

It's not easy to give a definitive answer to what a fetish is, but
basically it's when a person gets a fixation on something. Not all
fetishes are sexual, but many are; and to others not 'into' a
particular fetish may even consider them to be kinky or even
perverted. This doesn't mean they are, it's just how others see it.

Anyone can develop a fetish for almost anything, it can be clothing,
shoes, body parts (like feet etc:) and also things like spanking (can
be classed as BDSM) plus other sexual activities. Why fetishes grow
on people I'm not sure but I believe the more anyone indulges in
anything the stronger it get until it virtually becomes an addiction.

I have a few fetishes myself, and I'm happy to list them. I'm very
much into underwear (in particular ladies panties), I like pee stained
underwear too. I love plastic pants and diapers, and also love
wetting myself (regardless of what I'm wearing); and I definitely
enjoy most forms of pee fun (watersports) which includes giving as
well as receiving. I love anyone (male or female) to pee over me.
I'm not into drinking it much, but have done and will do occasionally,
but that's only when the person has been drinking lots of plain water
so their pee is almost colourless and not a strong flavour.

Terry

[Abhrams]

Hi Terry,
Do you know if fetishes will ever go away or if you would simply
outgrow it. i don't mind if you ask me questions, i'll try my best to
answer all of the questions.

[Terry]

Hi again Abhrams,

I'm not entirely sure you would lose a fetish altogether, I know it's
possible to be able to leave off for a time, and maybe indulge in it
from time to time. Again I think it's probably down to the
individual, and the way the fetish has taken a hold. If it's just a
feeling that you want to indulge in the enjoyement occasionally, but
not something you crave every day then I'm fairly sure it's
controllable and even possibly be able to forget it altogether and
walk away from it. I can't honestly say that is the case, I do know
people who aren't that involved with a certain fetish they have and
only allow themself to enjoy it occasionally and they seem to ne OK;
but I don't know af anyone who has outgrown or lost a fetish
entirely. I personally think it might be a case of being able to
leave off, but it wouldn't take much to trigger the interest again.

I do have some questions for you, which might help me be able to
answer any queries better:-

1) Are you worried about how your fetish is going to affect your
life in the future?

2) I know you say you're a diaper lover (which is fine), but how
often do you get the feeling you want to be in diapers - is it daily?

3) What to you is the fascination with diapers, is it so you can do
without using a tiolet and pee in them when you want, or just for the
feel?

Regards,
Terry

[Abhrams]

Hi, you can call me Tom if you want. Abhrams is what I use for video
game profiles.
The answers to your questions are
Yes it is the wanting to wear one daily and they are always on
my mind. I think this will affect my future, an it is both the
feeling and not having to use the toilet and maybe even more. Have a
nice weekend.
Abhrams/Tom

[Terry]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for answering my questions, knowing this could help in any
further advice I give. Have a great weekend yourself and please ask
more anytime. I'm always here for you.

Terry

[Abhrams]

Hi Terry
I don't get it? why is my fetish diapers? I wish people would
understand.

[randy]

Tom,
I'll jump in here, not meaning to overstep Terry, he'll add his own
comments, i'm sure. Asking why is a fetish the fetish one has is like
asking why do I like broccoli and you don't or why do I like the color
red and you don't. Many of the things we like or don't like are
without any particular reason. I happen to love diapers, but I don't
know why I was attracted in the first place. But, there are other
fetishes that I am aware of that people have shared with me that I
have no interest in at all. So, I see little point in asking why
about any of them. As long as one receives pleasure and no one else
is harmed by that in any way, there is no problem.

As for people understanding, well many people do, but in the large
picture, it has been my experience that most people operate from an
understanding of things based upon what they were taught at a young
age and what society at large feels is "proper" or "appropriate".
Anything outside those makes people not understand. It isn't just
about fetishes. It happens with sexual orientation, race, culture,
etc., etc.

Hoping to have all people understand about your fetish is to a large
extent wasted energy. Just enjoy your diapers. Perhaps in the future
you will find someone to share that with. You have an entire life
ahead of you, don't worry about what people understand or don't
understand. Enjoy the moment.

Randy

[Terry]

Hi Tom (and Randy),

Firstly Randy, don't worry you'll never overstep me, we work together
and have virtually the same views so your comments are always more
than welcome.

Tom,

I can only agree with Randy's comments, but in your case I'm sure the
fascination with diapers is due to probably seeing your cousin wearing
them quite often. I also think your feeling for diapers is the same
as how my fascination for plastic pants came to be, and that was due
to seeing my cousin running around in them daily. The point is don't
worry how you got interested, trying to work that out is almost
impossible - just enjoy them, there's no shame in what you're doing
and you're not harming anyone else in the process. In fact I'd go as
far as to say keep on wearing them whenever you can, and you've
already said it might possibly be the case of being free and not use a
toilet, so again without trying to make it sound as if I'm encouraging
you, try peeing in them some time (if you haven't already tried it).
Believe me it is a wonderfully liberating feeling, and I'm sure once
you've done it once you'll want to repeat it again soon.

Randy is right about why people don't understand, again it's to do
with anyones social behaviour pattern, and if in their eyes something
doesn't fit in, then they don't want to try to understand and will
often say it's the incorrect thing to do - regardless of what it is.
That is one of the main reasons not to flaunt any fetish in public, by
all means eventually get to meet others into the same thing and enjoy
it with them, but I wouldn't suggest just taking it for granted that
everyone you meet or see would have any true understanding of the
fetish.

After all, if everyone did understand and accept fetishes - especially
that of DL's and AB's then there wouldn't be any necessity for a group
like this.

Anyway, as Randy and I have said, don't worry about the future, keep
on wearing diapers when you can and want to; and generally enjoy
yourself. Eventually when you are older, who knows, groups like this
might even give you the opportunity to get to know others and even
meet others who are into the same fetishes and have the same problems
of feeling as if they are on their own. They aren't and neither are
you - you have friends already who understand the situation - OK it
might be Randy and I, and yes we're both quite a bit older than you,
but it's no reason not to treat us as friends.

Terry

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[Abhrams]

Hi Terry,
What if somebody somehow happens to figure out my fetish(not that
it has happened, but, just in case) what would would you do or say?
If you wouldn't mind me asking. Do you remember that email you
sent out to me, would you be able to post it as a blog on "ABDL"
please?

[Terry]

Hi Tom,

I'm not sure there is any real answer to that, it depends on a few
things. First would be parents and family, and in that situation I'd
say as little as possible, but just try to explain you wanted to see
what it felt like to wear a diaper again. If it's friends then again
I'd try to tell them as best as you can that it's something you've
started enjoying and you only wear them for fun.

The main thing is try to be as discreet as you can when you wear them,
and only put them on when you're fairly sure you'll not get found
out. If you are unfortunately caught, then it's up to you if you
decide to try to give it up; but somehow, if it is a true fetish I
don't think you would be able to completely because if you're anything
like most people your thoughts and feelings will alway take you back
to it.

I'll post the email I sent you as 'page' on the AB/DL group for you,
then you can use it in any way you want.

Regards,
Terry