Quebec is the only province which recognizes the necessity for higher taxes
Auld Bob
minorities, aboriginals, and immigrants
who appear to have the intelligence to understand that Canada needs
progressively higher levels of
taxation in order to pay for our cherished social programs and to pay
down our budget deficit in order to
have lower levels of inflation. Of course it should come as no
surprise to anyone that those Canadians who
"hate taxes" almost always tend to be White Anglo Saxon Protestant
Males who live in English Canada.
However, I take great comfort in knowing that White Canadians as a
whole are officially projected to constitute less than 45% of the
total population of Canada by the year 2050. Furthermore, White
Canadians are officially projected to have minority status in the vote
rich provinces of Ontario and
British Columbia by the early 2030's, and are already extremely close
to minority status in cities
such as Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal.
The vast majority of Canadians who vote for the Conservative Party of
Canada are White Anglo
Saxon Protestant types who are anti-tax, anti-social programs, anti-
immigrant, anti-bilingual,
anti-gay rights, anti-women's rights, anti-abortion, anti-
multicultural, anti-Quebec, anti-European,
pro-American, ignorant, uneducated, unenlightened, untraveled,
backwards, socially regressive,
blue collar, working class, pickup truck driving, common, pedestrian
level, trailer trash.
I am delighted that elections after election and poll after polls
shows that the vast majority of visible minorities vote for the
Liberal Party of Canada or the New Democratic Party of Canada.
Likewise, the
vast majority of Quebecois vote for the Liberal Party of Canada or the
Bloc Quebecois. Even most
non-Anglo Whites such as Italian-Canadian, Greek-Canadians, and
Portuguese-Canadians are
die hard supporters of the Liberal Party of Canada.
The Conservative Party of Canada: too White, too Anglo, too Male, too
Americanized, too Alberta-centric
to ever carve a majority government out of vote rich, socially
liberal, economically progressive, environmentally aware, multi-
racial, multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-lingual, multi-cultural,
globalized, cosmopolitan Ontario and Quebec.
Ignatieff's tax talk taking toll: Poll
Apr 23, 2009 03:39 PM
Joan Bryden
THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA – Michael Ignatieff's musings about potential tax increases
could hurt his efforts to build Liberal support across the country –
except in Quebec, a new poll suggests.
Thirty per cent of respondents to the Canadian Press Harris-Decima
survey said they're less likely to vote Liberal in the next election
as a result of the party leader's reflections on taxes last week.
Only 16 per cent said they're more likely to support the Grits.
The damage was most pronounced in Atlantic Canada and British
Columbia, where 44 per cent and 40 per cent respectively said they're
less likely to vote Liberal.
However, the poll suggests Ignatieff's tax talk went down well in
Quebec, where 29 per cent of respondents said they're more likely to
vote Liberal and only 10 per cent said they're less likely.
Last week, Ignatieff initially appeared to suggest that tax hikes are
inevitable to eliminate massive budget deficits currently being racked
up by the Conservative government in a bid to stimulate the sputtering
economy.
He later clarified that a Liberal government would increase taxes only
as a last resort and only once the economy has fully recovered.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Tories pounced on Ignatieff's remarks
to bolster their depiction of him as a tax-and-spend Liberal. They've
continued to hammer away at the issue this week to deflect Liberal
criticism of the government's economic management.
However, according to the poll, fully 81 per cent of respondents said
they weren't surprised to hear Ignatieff raise the possibility of a
tax hike; only 12 per cent were surprised.
Harris-Decima senior vice-president Jeff Walker said that suggests the
Tories could have a tough time escalating Ignatieff's musings into a
ballot question that will have significant impact on the outcome of
the next election.
"It might work over time . . . as part of a broader package of
things," Walker said.
"I'm just not sure this by itself is going to rally anyone beyond the
Conservative base."
Still, the poll suggests Ignatieff's remarks have hurt him among
supporters of all parties, except for the
Bloc Quebecois.
Forty-one per cent of respondents who identified themselves as NDP
supporters, 37 per cent of Greens and 46 per cent of Conservatives
said they were less likely to vote Liberal as result of Ignatieff's
comments.
Liberal respondents were torn, with 21 per cent saying they're more
likely to vote Grit and 18 per cent saying they're less likely.
By contrast, 42 per cent of Bloc supporters said they're more likely
to vote Liberal; only eight per cent were less likely.
Walker said Ignatieff may be trying to emulate U.S. President Barack
Obama's frankness about the economic challenges ahead but the poll
underscores the risks entailed in that approach.
"I think this is really where the rubber hits the road with post-
partisan politics," said Walker.
"They can't afford to lose any of the (supporters) they've got right
now. At the same time, can they afford
to be only ever speaking in very generalized, kind of Pablum
terms? . . . And so it's a very tough
line to walk."
The telephone survey of just over 1,000 Canadians was conducted April
16-19 and is considered accurate within 3.1 percentage points, 19
times in 20.
The margin of error is larger for provincial findings.
15:11ET 23-04-09
Rich
> Its funny how its only Quebecois, city dwellers, women, visible
> minorities, aboriginals, and immigrants
> who appear to have the intelligence to understand that Canada needs
> progressively higher levels of
> taxation in order to pay for our cherished social programs
Very true. Time to slash them drastically instead of ruining what
business climate we have left. Or your societal malcontents who
"understand everything" can move the f--- to China.
Auld Bob
(25% of the population), women (50% of the population),
and visible minorities (20% of the population) male contents?!. Your a
typical ignorant, arrogant, common, low class, uneducated,
unenlightened, untraveled, blue collar, working class, Anglo
chauvinist, male chauvinist White Anglo Saxon Protestant male who
wants women back in the kitchen, non-Whites at the back of the bus,
homosexuals back in the closet, aboriginals back on the reserves, and
Quebecois under the jackboot of the now defunct British Empire. Your
the same WASP rubbish who still has not come to terms with
bilingualism and multiculturalism being enshrined in the Constitution
of Canada since 1982. And yes...polls also show that most women (white
and non-white), visible minorities, aboriginals, and Quebecois tend to
support taxes and social programs.
Its mostly White Males and specifically White Anglo Saxon Protestant
males who oppose such things.
I bet you wish that Canada was still 100% White, British, and
Protestant don't you?. I bet you even wish that White Anglo Saxon
protestant women still could not vote don't you?!. You would just love
the White Anglo Saxon Protestant male to still rule the world under
the auspices of blood thirsty, genocidal, imperialist, colonialist
British Empire don't you?!. Well keep dreaming White boy, because its
YOU who is the minority now. Its YOU who is going to have to pay for
the crimes of your ancestors by way of affirmative action programs,
aboriginal land claims settlements, hate crimes laws, and public
apologies in Parliament for the awful way in which White Anglo Saxon
Protestant males like YOU have historically treated women, visible
minorities, aboriginals, Catholics, Jews, and Quebecois.
How many women, visible minorities, aboriginals, and/or Quebecois do
you honestly know who share your socio-economic views?. The vast
majority of likeminded individuals who share your views are White
Anglo Saxon Protestant males, usually from Western Canada.
Do tell...do you have a University degree or are you a blue collar
high school drop out Redneck like most Reform Party of
Canada...*cough*...Canadian Alliance Party...*cough*...Conservative
Party of Canada supporters?!.
Poll after poll clearly shows that most Quebecois vote Liberal or Bloc
Quebecois. Most visible minorities vote Liberal or NDP.
Most White Europeans such as Italian-Canadians, Greek-Canadians,
Portuguese-Canadians, ect; also vote Liberal. The vast majority of
people who vote Conservative are White Anglo Saxon Protestants like
you who hate taxes, gun control, social programs, women's rights, gay
rights, abortion rights, bilingualism and multiculturalism.
Sorry my friend but you White Anglo Saxon Protestants who stole,
raped, and plundered this country from the aboriginals now constitute
less than 40% of the total Canadian population when you factor in non-
whites (17% of the population), aboriginals (3% of the population),
French Canadians (25% of the population) and non-Anglo White ethnic
groups such as Italian-Canadians, Greek-Canadians, Portuguese-
Canadians, ect; who make up another 10-15% of the population. This
country no long exclusively belongs to people of British Isles
ancestry. Furthermore, bilingualism, multiculturalism, and Quebec are
here to stay.
White Anglo Saxon Protestants like you are powerless to stop it!!!.
All White Canadians are not officially projected to be go from being
80% of the population in 2006 to under 50% of the population by the
year 2050. Toronto and Vancouver are already non-White majority.
Ontario and BC are now both 25% non-White and will have outright non-
White majorities by the 2020's give or take. White Canadians have the
lowest fertility rates and Canada has the highest levels of
immigration per capita (mostly non-White) than any other country on
earth. You racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic, anti-Quebec, anti-
bilingual, anti-multicultural, anti-immigration, anti-tax, anti-social
programs, anti-gun control, anti-hate speech laws White Anglo Saxon
Protestants will quite simply be outvoted and both electorally and
demographically irrelevant in the years and decades to come!!!.
Your going to keep paying your taxes White boy...whether you like or
not!!!
Canuck57
"E. Barry Bruyea" <lobb...@goaway.com> wrote in message
news:lsnr459s4r1muhukj...@4ax.com...
> Canada and those employees on average make more money & benefits than
> the employees in the private sector, there is an absolute necessity to
> increase taxes to keep the status quo. This condition appears to be
> the sole reason for the existence of government....period.
And everybody has to cut back but for government. You would think these
class of people were our overloards. Well they are, as long as we let them.
It is also why we need a peaceful revolt at the polls and a taxpayers union
that will tell government what it will spend and not the other way around.
Salut
stop drinking!
Canuck57
"Salut" <salu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:556d940e-ab87-4824...@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com...
Good start. I gave that up some time ago, got too darned expensive. Now
you get to pay the taxes because I am not.
Part of the reason Canadians can't compete is because we have too many
leaches on our arse. You have to leave workers with enough to make it worth
their while. While the government manufactures non-value added jobs, it
robs wealth from producers to a point it isn't worth doing productive based
businesses in Canada. Add in a hostile union environment, it is amazing the
businesses we have continue.
stan
> "Salut" <salut...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Dunno about that!
I retired some six years ago at age 70. After working continuously
since 1952. (Some 52 years).
I still pay some 25% of gross in direct income taxes.
If I earn more I pay in excess of 43% in my incremental tax bracket,
so although quite capable of doing no incentive!
While working managed to save a bit in RRSPs, obtaining a then 30% tax
deferment. Now withdrawing it pay tax at 40%+!!!! Probably better
savings vehicles now available or put your savings offshore?
Pay 13% HST sales tax on most thing we buy!
So for each say $10,000 gross tax = 4,300. Leaving 5,700. Of that 658
is 13% sales taxes, leaving just over $5,000.
Then one pays municipal taxes and various 'fees' for licensing motor
vehicle, obtaining a passport, one calculation is that these cost
several hundred dollars for each 5,000 of expenditure!
So of the original $10,000 there is some $4,600! And haven't bought
any food or gasoline, dental care, share of drug costs, yet!
So when I die off the various governments will lose some $5,400 in
various taxes/fees/charges for each $10,000 of my income. In fact one
calculation shows that one might as well sell-up and leave!
Still convinced that high taxation is a disincentive.
Scotius
<fraeoldbob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Its funny how its only Quebecois, city dwellers, women, visible
>minorities, aboriginals, and immigrants
>who appear to have the intelligence to understand that Canada needs
>progressively higher levels of
>taxation in order to pay for our cherished social programs and to pay
>down our budget deficit in order to
>have lower levels of inflation.
You don't seem to understand that having a large deficit is
the excuse various governments use to justify whatever it is they
actually want to do with taxpayers' money.
And, can you cite even ONE instance where tax money has
actually been used to pay a deficit down significantly?
>Of course it should come as no
>surprise to anyone that those Canadians who
>"hate taxes" almost always tend to be White Anglo Saxon Protestant
>Males who live in English Canada.
>
>However, I take great comfort in knowing that White Canadians as a
>whole are officially projected to constitute less than 45% of the
>total population of Canada by the year 2050.
Even if that was correct they'd still be the largest single
ethnic group. Your problem is that while claiming to be radically
anti-racist, you are in fact racist yourself.
You lump all "non-White" people into one group, as "non-White"
rather than Black, Asian, Indian, etc. You are more racist than many
of the people you often see fit to criticize yourself.
>Furthermore, White
>Canadians are officially projected to have minority status in the vote
>rich provinces of Ontario and
>British Columbia by the early 2030's, and are already extremely close
>to minority status in cities
>such as Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal.
Actually not, but again, you see all non-Whites as one group,
which is of course a VERY racist view.
>
>The vast majority of Canadians who vote for the Conservative Party of
>Canada are White Anglo
>Saxon Protestant types who are anti-tax, anti-social programs, anti-
>immigrant, anti-bilingual,
>anti-gay rights, anti-women's rights, anti-abortion, anti-
>multicultural, anti-Quebec, anti-European,
>pro-American, ignorant, uneducated, unenlightened, untraveled,
>backwards, socially regressive,
>blue collar, working class, pickup truck driving, common, pedestrian
>level, trailer trash.
>
The fact that someone from Toronto who imagines himself to be
among the nation's intellectual elite claiming that does not, of
course, make it so.
>I am delighted that elections after election and poll after polls
>shows that the vast majority of visible minorities vote for the
>Liberal Party of Canada or the New Democratic Party of Canada.
>Likewise, the
>vast majority of Quebecois vote for the Liberal Party of Canada or the
>Bloc Quebecois. Even most
>non-Anglo Whites such as Italian-Canadian, Greek-Canadians, and
>Portuguese-Canadians are
>die hard supporters of the Liberal Party of Canada.
>
>The Conservative Party of Canada: too White, too Anglo, too Male, too
>Americanized, too Alberta-centric
>to ever carve a majority government out of vote rich, socially
>liberal, economically progressive, environmentally aware, multi-
>racial, multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-lingual, multi-cultural,
>globalized, cosmopolitan Ontario and Quebec.
There you go again. Step away from the thesaurus and quit
pretending you're more than you are.
Scotius
<fraeoldbob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So let me understand this correctly...your calling French Canadians
>(25% of the population), women (50% of the population),
>and visible minorities (20% of the population) male contents?!. Your a
>typical ignorant, arrogant, common, low class, uneducated,
>unenlightened, untraveled, blue collar, working class, Anglo
>chauvinist, male chauvinist White Anglo Saxon Protestant male who
>wants women back in the kitchen, non-Whites at the back of the bus,
>homosexuals back in the closet, aboriginals back on the reserves, and
>Quebecois under the jackboot of the now defunct British Empire. Your
>the same WASP rubbish who still has not come to terms with
>bilingualism and multiculturalism being enshrined in the Constitution
>of Canada since 1982.
It doesn't matter where it's enshrined if it's not adhered to
everywhere, and it isn't.
There's no such thing as bilingualism in Quebec. If you're a
store owner there and you have English anywhere on a sign, some local
punks will quickly tear it down. It's ridiculous, and yet the rest of
the country is expected to tolerate French being everywhere.
There is no justification for the federal, provincial, and
municipal tax bill for the average Canadian adding up to almost a
third of what he/she earns. That is ridiculous, but it's a matter of
government waste, not being "anti-tax".
>gun control,
I cited StatsCan in a paper at college I wrote about the utter
non-necessity of gun control. In the most recent year for which
statistics were available (which would have been 2001, 02, or 03,
StatsCan showed that there were more murders nationwide with knives
than with firearms.
"Gun control" is a useless exercise designed to make people
who don't trust themselves, and thus can't trust anyone else feel
better and safer. There is no good reason for it.
>social programs,
I don't think there's anything wrong with those.
>women's rights,
I don't think there's anything wrong with those either.
>gay
>rights,
Gay "rights", yes; changing school cirriculums so that
homosexuals can feel that the World is being made safe for them, NO.
No one owes it to them to allow their kids to be taught about sex
before they're even in their teens just so they can feel safer. It's
ridiculous.
>abortion rights,
I really don't agree with either side in the abortion debate,
so I won't bother to comment. I think that the "pro-life" side is
wrong in wanting to stop it completely, and I think the "pro-choice"
side is wrong in wanting to make it available on demand for everyone
including teenagers, and many think the teens shouldn't even have to
tell their parents.
There has been a bit of a brouhaha in the states over Planned
Parenthood's assertion that teens shouldn't have to tell their parents
recently. These clearly are people who think they know better than
parents what to teach kids, and they need to be smacked down.
>bilingualism
The only words that are appropriate after "bilingualism" are
"is an utter fraud as far as Canada is concerned".
>and multiculturalism.
There are pros and cons to multi-culturalism. Do I think we
should be tolerant of differences in other people's cultures as
compared with ours? Yes.
Do I think that extends to people who get off the boat, set up
camp in a city in a neighborhood with ONLY people of the same race and
don't associate with anyone else? No.
>
>Sorry my friend but you White Anglo Saxon Protestants who stole,
>raped, and plundered this country from the aboriginals now constitute
>less than 40% of the total Canadian population when you factor in non-
>whites (17% of the population), aboriginals (3% of the population),
>French Canadians
You're reaching, and you reached wrongly. You don't factor
French Canadians into the "non-White" category, and further you're
really only demonstrating a form of your own racism by lumping all
non-Whites together, as if there is no difference between one
non-White and another non-White.
Try telling someone from Africa that he's the natural
political ally of someone from Hong Kong because neither of them are
White. You'll get your ass kicked by both of them.
>(25% of the population) and non-Anglo White ethnic
>groups such as Italian-Canadians, Greek-Canadians, Portuguese-
>Canadians,
I have known some Italian and Portuguese people who are quite
racist against non-Whites themselves.
>ect; who make up another 10-15% of the population. This
>country no long exclusively belongs to people of British Isles
>ancestry. Furthermore, bilingualism, multiculturalism, and Quebec are
>here to stay.
I think as far as bilingualism goes, you're wrong. Ontario is
sick of it.
>
>White Anglo Saxon Protestants like you are powerless to stop it!!!.
That's what you think, but don't worry about it. When you go
to the supermarket and you can pick up something that doesn't have
French on it, you'll be glad to, even if you won't admit it.
>All White Canadians are not officially projected to be go from being
>80% of the population in 2006 to under 50% of the population by the
>year 2050. Toronto and Vancouver are already non-White majority.
>Ontario and BC are now both 25% non-White and will have outright non-
>White majorities by the 2020's give or take.
There you go again, lumping all "non-Whites" together; a
racist trait in itself.
>White Canadians have the
>lowest fertility rates and Canada has the highest levels of
>immigration per capita (mostly non-White) than any other country on
>earth. You racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynistic, anti-Quebec, anti-
>bilingual, anti-multicultural, anti-immigration, anti-tax, anti-social
>programs, anti-gun control, anti-hate speech laws White Anglo Saxon
>Protestants will quite simply be outvoted and both electorally and
>demographically irrelevant in the years and decades to come!!!.
I would like very much for you to explain, Auld Bob, why you
think Canadian Whites are obligated to give away majority status to
non-Whites. Do you think Chinese are obligated to give majority status
in China away?
Do you think that Japanese are also thus obligated?
Do you think that Africans are also thus obligated?
Do you think that South Americans are also thus obligated?
Be careful how you answer. I'm capable of seeing through
screens such as the one I believe you've been using.
>
>Your going to keep paying your taxes White boy...whether you like or
>not!!!
That's debatable.